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@Shia Islam: Allah told the prophet (AS) not to pray for disbelievers. Muhammad (AS) left in addition list of 10 munafiquun in the hand of a sahabah (RA). The instruction was that this sahabah must not participate in the janazzah prayer of each of the mnafiquun.

Ab Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Ali (RA to all of them), none of them is among the 10 munafiquun.

You are fighting so hard to make Ali more than what he was.

Allah revealed Surah Abasa for a purpose. No one is high in quality among mankind to be in the same level with Muhammad (AS).

No one is therefore after Muhammad unquestionable. The position of Prophet was held in Makka and in Madina during the lifetime of the prophet, by Muhammad (AS), alone. Ali or Fatima, and others (RA), though noble souls were not the prophet.


While you blame Abu Bakr, Umar Khattab, Uthman bin Affan (RA) for what you blame them for, your action seems to me like the action of a person who says the hindsight of event was not realized by The Power that installed them in their places.

The verse of making 2 Rakah at Makam Ibrahim (AS), the women wearing Hijab and Nikab, the commandment to knock before entering the bedroom of adult in 3 situations and other conditions were revealed on inquiries of Umar (RA).

May Allah guide all our hearts on the right path.

6 months or longer was nothing when it came to those people (RA). A man narrated a situation that occurred between Abu Bakr and Ali Abi Talib (RA to both) on the simple greetings of salaam during the lifetime of the prophet (AS). Both of these noble men displayed great love as brothers after misunderstanding. After the prophet [as] misunderstanding arose which took at least 6 months to get resolved. it is amazing that you think that the companion of Muhammad in his Hijr, the person who first encouraged the muslims to march out publically as if it was a political rally, and the man trusted enough to go and talk to the makkans when they refused the muslims to make Ummra, the 3 men you lambasted. I am not as sure of my position or level in paradise that I can adjudge any of the companions of Allah's Messenger.

A man named Sadiq (RA) you blamed.
A man named Farouq (RA) you blamed.
A man who (RA) married 2 daughters of the Messenger (AS) you blamed.

i wonder if he was God, when satan was pushing him around, taunting him, dangling and or throwing all kind of difficulties to him to the point that he shouted at satan to get away from him, why didnt he kill satan and get it over with? the same satan is still pushing the christians around today. i remember tonye-t said many things which he couldnt defend a single one of them before he disappeared into the burrows underground like the rodent he is.

do you think that satan can do what he did with jesus to Yahweh and not get whacked like that even before he had a chance to set up a weak strategy? the way satan rode jesus about with impunity if nothing else does, that event proved that jesus was no God, but god made up by those who call him what he is not; God.

1. nothing was done to her.

2. jesus

3. as a child they said he pushed his playmate off the roof to his death. that was mean 'spirit'ed.
he blinded a man who came to carpentry workshop of joseph.
we can forget his turning over the tables of old business men doing arrangees/exchange charging big time fees.
did you forget him killing the fig tree?
how about drowning the pigs by allowing the spirits to house in them?
he was the bridegroom in the 10 virgins with 5 not having oil for their lamps, and i will always remember how he diss them, denying like peter
did before the cock crew
how about not forgiving the thief on his left as the crucifiction?
how about being the ruler who said bring them and slay them before him?
how about telling his supporters to sell all their cloth except only what they wore and use the money to buy swords except it was fight to the
end?
am sure those he called people of little faith were thrilled.
how about calling people dogs.
how happy were the people who were called vipers, adulterous generation?

@Seyibrown; if it is proven from the Bible that it is corrupt, that Jesus is not God and that Holy Spirit is not God, that Comforter is not Holy Ghost but man, like Prophet is a man, what will you do?

will you and your husband, your children and parents of both of you [husband and wife] renounce christianity and accept Islam?


if you can do that, i will present evidences for my position.

whispered to your ears. Sometimes the finger is too slow for the brain.

@Thehomer: Is your above that excited the Ifa priest aka PastorAIO to crack a smile not absurd?

If you said that President GEJ loves cowboy hat, and you went shopping for it. If when you bought yours and I bought one as a gift to give the President as you and I visit him, have I obeyed you or appeased you in what I did, or was it the President that I was appeasing? What role did you play except that you led me to the inner desire or what make the President happy?

Just imagine if the President had whispered to your eyes and you and I were the only people who brought him such a "gift" while other came in empty handed. What love would the President might show towards us?

I am very certain that he will remember your face and mine when he tried them on.

Obedience to Muhammad (AS) in this case is similar to my buying the hat since you told me it will make a great impression, the reason you actually spent your money to get one.

The one who will have a greater enjoyment is definitely President GEJ, who may give us the contract to resolve the sewage and sanitation problems of the country.

Imagine PastorAIO who came empty handed thinking that he could dazzle the eastern Nigerian man with Ifa materials or chants only impressive to the likes of OBJ. Do you think if the President was to actually show his displeasure, could he not go so far as to ask the Security Organization to keep the Pastor in a lock up in Kano for his ill presentation?


Muhammad (AS) is the Messenger that God Almighty Allah told His Wishes for man. Muhammad followed these Wishes. If you follow Muhammad to follow the same Wishes, are you obeying Muhammad or just imitating him in Obedience to the Wishes of Allah Who you and Muhammad (AS) obey?

Lay of the pipe and you will smile when it is appropriate to smile. Not when there is an obvious deceit, trying to make Muslims look as if they are doing to Muhammad what the Christians do to Jesus.

^^^^^^^^ Even if Olaadegbu and his gang are wrong? Psalm 91 spoke about a man in the future. Was that man Jesus?


Olaadegbu, e36991 and others, over to you.

^^^^^^ While Islam came to eradicate slavery or servitude of a soul to another, Islam promotes that The Unique, Supreme Lord God Almighty Allah is the One each should be His Servant, Slave.

The reason above covers what Jesus said about himself, being a Servant sent by God.

With the view above and matters concerning Quran and how Muhammad (AS) is regimented in the Quran, we can clearly say without concern that we may be in error that Muhammad did not have SEX with any woman he was not first married to. And no woman did he force his marriage upon, considering that Allah is the Owner and Holder of the heart of every human.

Read Surah Azhab where Allah permits all muslims to marry as long as it is 4 wives at anytime, but in that process a person can marry 100s, considering the general saying which must be popular in England about a man changing his 40 years old wife for 2 20s. The lies of Jews and Chhrstians forget that Mosaic law disallows sex outside marriage, but conveniently forgets that King Solomon the "Wise" not only married 700 wives, but threw in 300 concubines on top of that to make 1000 pretty women under him, alone.

That is completely different from the Law in Islam, which cover Muhammad (AS), except in the number of wives which he had based on political and survival strategy for the sake of Islam. This reminds me of his saying just before the battle of Badr, saying to God Almighty, to not let the disbelievers have upper hand because if they did they will kill all muslims and leave no single person to worship the True God.

Muhammad (AS) in a hadith that in his family tree from Adam to him, there is no single adultery committed. This alone destroy the idea that he slept with a servant. Further, a man who was a virgin till 25 and lost his virginity to a wife 15 years his elder, twice married before,being his only wife for another 25 years at least cant be stated to suddenly became a stud of a male. Regardless of his sexual drive, it would not have been as when he was say 25 or younger, in all normal situation, except you will accept miracle is involved? I'm in that age already for many years and I know what I'm saying.

But let ask you if you did not see any place in the hadith that the Jewish Princess (RA) woman in question was not referred to as "Wife of the Prophet" and or "mother of the believers"? The marriage of Muhammad (AS) to any woman is valid without any man witnessing it as Allah Alone is Sufficient, just like the marriage of Adam and Eve, or any marriage that is legal. The situation of Muhammad (AS) is special, and he did not even participate in Mutah (temporary marriage that some people practice to this day). He did not eat charity, but gifts. If a woman offered herself to him, he did not take her in or out of marriage.

Allah even gave him allowance for that in Surah Azhab. If having sex outside marriage is not permissible, then the first to adhere to it is Muhammad (AS). Allah says do not come near illegal sex. . . . One would have no doubt that the first to observe that will be Muhammad (AS) and it is he a far away weak man like me imitate in that.

^^^^^^ I dont think Seyibrown read my first post on the subject. I said then and even now that my position is that of the Prophet (AS). He never cause any harm on the person that insulted him. Ever. I used the case of the Jewish woman who gave him and the companions (RA) in Khaibar poison meat.

I also used the case of the muslim (RA) who released the secret[s] of the muslims in Madina to the disbelievers in Makka. In either case, the intention was well within the action of the people. The messenger (AS) through to form of the quality of his being the one with the most mercy among mankind did not react to them.

That is very clear. This is my position. I am sure if the Messenger were here now, he would have not even paid any attention to her personal attach, unlike the one who said "bring him here and slay him before me".

Word of a leader is his action. It moves followers to do what they do. You can claim that I turn the other cheek. People know that is unreal especially when the same person said "bring him here and slay him in front of me".

The mercy you are showing is unreal. Your leader never forgave anyone when he had the upper hand. Muhammad (AS) forgave many; Makkans, People of Taif, and even the Jewish woman who decided to poison him.

Can Jesus of the bible handle that since every time he is in control, he was not merciful. The case of the adulteress cant count; Jesus was not in control in the sense that the woman didnt offend him. The woman who poisoned the meat she offered Muhammad (AS) clearly offended him. Yet he forgave her.

@dexmond [Quote]but they chose to focus instead on those prophecies that discussed His glorious victories,[/Quote]this is from you.it proves my point; Torah was either corrupt by this idea or jesus was fake by the same idea.

Which one is your answer? you can avoid an answer if you wish. the idea is already known. it one of the two.

Did Ali bin Talib (RA) actually agreed with Abu Bakr (RA), Umar bin Khattab (RA) and Uthman bin Affan (RA), during their lives before he became the 4th Kalifah?
I wonder why, since Muhammad (AS) did not compromise with the Kufar of Makka the reason the Surah Kafirun was revealed?

I am sure Ali bin Abi Talib (RA) was true to form, without compromise.

I will use his hikmah to follow those he followed (RA).

I am from Muhammad (AS). So was Ali bin Abi Talib (AS). So were the 3 Kalifah (RA) before him.


I do not see in the Quran where Allah blamed Abu Bakr, Umar bin Khattab or Uthman bin Affan (RA). maybe I miss it. Can you show it in the hadith where the Messenger blamed any of the 3 or predict that they will be bad people, since he predicted the martyring of Umar, Uthman, Ali (RA to each) and event the opposite sides that his wife and his cousin will take in a war? Maybe you need to show these things to somebody like me.

I will forever be a follower of Muhammad (AS), and those who followed, or are following his footstep (AS).

^^^^^ no you didnt. what you showed was that some truth remained during the time of the Messenger [as]. He had to prey open the truth from the place they hid it.

It is true that the jews rejected jesus 610 years before the event concerning Muhammad [as].

The element or logic or material that the jews used to reject Jesus was in the torah of the jews.

the jews didnt want to hear about any non warrior persona and accept him as a Messiah, since Moses was all war all the time.


That material they used to reject Jesus [as], is it corruption or reality to mean that they were right to reject jesus therefore being a fake?

please make your choice. iknow it is touch and go for you. either torah was corrupt or jesus was a fake when they rejected him.

i meant contrast.

@Toba: Contract what Jesus said to what Muhammad (AS) did with the people of Makka after his triumphant entry, or if you wish what he did with the people of Taif (both cities have persecuted him earlier. he was now a victor, having all the cards; Trump cards to kill or not to kill (that was the question), or what he did with the Jewish woman of Khaibar who gave him poisoned meat.

Muhammad (AS) was clearly the one to decide the fate of these Kufar.

Jesus was never in the same position amongst the over 500 + jewish towel head mob. Think about it.

You cant tell me that you believe a weak person is carrying a heart of mercy over a stronger person?

^^^^^ this was some 610 + years of Jesus' who ever didnt sin to cast the first stone.


I wonder why they came to Muhammad (AS) if the ruling of Jesus as above stand?

But then we have punishment of illegal sexual acts in the Quran and in the Hadith.

I am a muslim male. You are a christian male. There are jewish males. We are all males. the truth is that we have common gender, similar to common punishment for common offense. Illegal sexual act is an offense without any doubt. Somebody is offended.

At least the father of the woman who gave freely to the neighbors. If she is married the husband is also offended.

If its a man, his wife is angry and wants his head off his neck.

dont we use man to mean human, when appropriate, or do some believe that when it is written that man was created, women were not included in that statement?

when assembly of man was put together in heaven their soul were in their spiritual form, all were human spirits, males and females of them.

no, aletheia? you are sure human soul is not human spirit?


same is the state of the angels. they have angelic souls being spirits, too.

aletheia is going to let us know that he has no spirit. maybe a soul he has, being a man, but not human, he will argue. oh my.

@Aletheia: « #984 on: Today at 06:49:23 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 03:29:48 PM
And as to the Ruhu (Spirit) as in RuhuQudus, is there anyone with such a title other than Jibril (AS)?  I asked the Keferi man who claims to know Islam more than Muhammad (AS), to give us an answer. We in Islam know who RuhuQudus is; Jibril. And Jibril has other titles as well.

^^Do you all now seek to outdo yourselves in seeing who will render the most insults to aletheia? Grin The truth indeed is bitter. You are all acting like those who murdered Stephen.{/Quote]Who is Stephen? Maybe you are like Shaytan, so people are eager to give you Laana and leave you with your condition. Its a statement of fact. So is this; you think very highly of yourself. Yet there was a time that you were not in existence. Then the two people got together and with their sperm drops and an egg interaction came what was a liquid, then a clot of blood, then what hangs (like a chewed up thing), then what develops to a baby in the mother's womb, then what came out helpless, then what became nursed up to strength, then what became independent, and then and then and then, then what will if Allah Permits what will grow old enough that it will become frail returning to the earlier helpless state and finally dead and buried to await Judgment. Sure. We know how important you are; a beginning from fluid and an ending with death, buried and forgotten.



[Quote]Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord, [Acts 7:57][/Quote]? Is that where your stephen lies? Ridiculous read.



[Quote]I have proven that there is no where in the qur'an that Gabriel is identified as the Holy Spirit or the Holy Spirit identified as Gabriel. Y'all suffering from cognitive dissonance arising from life-long brainwashing and living in bondage and darkness. You are spiritually dead men---and slaves to sin. And dead men hear not and see. Unless the Son of God, Jesus of Nazareth commands them to come forth like Lazarus. May Christ have mercy on you all.[/Quote]Most of us did not attend any Quranic classes as children. All muslims from the western nations know that there is a RuhuQudus in the Quran. All of them agree that it is Jibril (AS). You, sir, a disbeliever in One God, because your Gods are 3; jesus, ghost and yahweh wants to tell Muslims about RuhuQudus. We have asked you to tell us who is RuhuQudus, in the Quran, you refuse. is this the way to disproof a sound statement? Every entity mentioned in the Quran can be identified by the One Who mentioned it to who He Mentioned it to. So is the one it was mentioned to. Jonah/Yunusa is also known as Zunuun, as Jacob is also known as Israil, and his children Bani Israil are known as Yahuud. Is Malaika Jibril known known as RuhuQudus, among other names? Now aletheia, proof your worth.



[QUote]As to your prophet. . .the question he was asked was very specific.

Quote from: aletheia on Today at 06:33:11 AM
According to Sahih Bukhari this verse came down when the Jews questioned Muhammad on the Spirit's identity:

Narrated Ibn Mas'ud:

While I was walking in company with the Prophet in one of the fields of Medina, the Prophet was reclining on a palm leave stalk which he carried with him. We passed by a group of Jews. Some of them said to the others, "Ask him about the spirit." The others said, "Do not ask him, lest he would say something that you hate." Some of them said, "We will ask him." So a man from among them stood up and said, 'O Abal-Qasim! What is the spirit?" The Prophet kept quiet and I knew that he was being divinely inspired. Then he said: "They ask you concerning the Spirit, Say: The Spirit; its knowledge is with my Lord. And of knowledge you (mankind) have been given only a little." (17.85) Volume 9, Book 93, Number 554

Hence, Muhammad did not even know the identity of God's Spirit.

Indeed show us where your prophet says Gabriel is the Holy Spirit. It is time for Muslims to stop lying on this thread.

The answer he gave is recorded in your 17th sura. It leaves little wiggle room for you lot. As always you add to your qur'an. The reason you do that is because it is an incomplete and incoherent book that needs to be propped up or else Islam will collapse under the weight of it's schizophrenic illogicalities and inconsistencies. Muslims are indeed zealous for their self-serving religion of convenience but as it is written in the Bible: "It is not good to have zeal without knowledge"[Quote]Does Aletheia has a spirit? Lets ask him. Can he answer? Hopefully he will. Does Shaytan and jinnu have spirits? Are their spirits the same as aletheia's? Do Animals (lions, etc) have spirits? Are their spirits that of the same kind in aletheia? I post these questions so that perchance there are people reading that we notice how unreliable is aletheia's opinion here, on this subject. As a child I remembered that the christians had a play where the earth (dirt) spoke when parts of it were being harvested, collected to make Adam (AS), the first human. How did the dirt speak except that it has its own spirit, germane to her, alone. Everything has a spirit. Yet Jibril (AS) is specifically called Spirit, holyspirit, spirit of truth, spirit terrific in power, etc. And he was used to support not only Jesus but even Muhammad (AS) in the battle of Badr, where he came with other Malaikatu.



[Quote]The message has gone forth: the eternal gospel of our Lord and Savior; Jesus Christ of Nazareth the Son of God: Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him. [1 Peter 3:22]

Maranatha! Jesus is Lord[/Quote]My God, my God. . . . why has Thou forsaken me? Does that verse count? Look hard, you will see God in there. its ironic that a true "Lord" has a True "God" over it! He must not be a true Lord, but a fake.[/quote][/quote][/quote]

@Pastor AIO: « #56 on: Today at 02:09:17 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: vedaxcool on Today at 01:38:09 PM
IT is to b noted that whem jesus preached he did nt carry any book hence what u people have is simply eyewitness?? rport

Eyewitness? Are you the eye-witness that didn't see him carrying any books? [/Quote]And you the eye witness that saw him with a book. Now show us the book. We want to see your honesty or lack of.



[Quote]Quote from: vedaxcool on Today at 01:22:13 PM
U mistake corruption to mean lost.while infact it means altered. nb u r yet to ans any question posed bt i wl b charitab

Even altered sef, you will have to show the original that it was altered from. Or at least demonstrate where and how the current copies are altered.

I gratefully accept your charity, because I'm not going to answer your questions item by item. I believe that what I posted covered most of the questions.[/Quote]You as a babalawo should know that aa ki ntoju onika mesan kaa. With so many Bibles around, one is bound to be incomplete, while none may be complete. Lack of completeness is in the case corruption. If there is one corrupt, please show me that one and the reader of that which you choose will accuse you.

and to demonstrate a corruption one needs to quote 2 verses which are talking abot the same subject, while they oppose each other. Does anyone need more than that process to show something is corrupt? Your servant Jesus whom You sent verses My Father and I are One.
Have you in your entire life seen a son who is made a servant of his father? Is a servant really a son of the Master? Ti a ba kaa eru, Inu eru aa baje.

oh. And i hate ifa, and others. they are idolatry. less, still, they are dirty. The one who thinks he can help cant help himself; Aaso ma npon mo won lorun.

How many spirits are there? What is another word for spirit?

We know that at least every thing that is alive has a spirit, its own soul (Spirit is a soul).

The Spirit of man is different from the spirit of Angel, both being different from the spirit of Genies.

Animals have spirits. So are other thing. All of them created.

Did Allah put His Own Mouth to the body (mouth) of Adam when the soul was breathed into it, so that he became a live man?

Of course not. The spirit of man is created and was just commanded to go and fuss with the lifeless body so that it became alive.

Allah says in Surah 112 that nothing of His creation (humans, genies, angels, animals, trees, and others, seen or unseen) is part of Him and He is not part of anything (Nothing is like Him; was Jesus not from his mouth a servant?).

And as to the Ruhu (Spirit) as in RuhuQudus, is there anyone with such a title other than Jibril (AS)? I asked the Keferi man who claims to know Islam more than Muhammad (AS), to give us an answer. We in Islam know who RuhuQudus is; Jibril. And Jibril has other titles as well.

And when Muhammad (AS) kept quite waiting for inspiration from his Creator Who sent him about ruhu, it was Ruhu of Man, in this case in the body already is called the soul. His response was direct; Allah commanded him to begin the verse by "Qul" (Say). It continued with the Knowledge of it is with my Lord and what i am told of it is little.


Honest answer, different from those who would speak precipitously. And later a son who is a partner becomes a mere servant sent.

@Pastor AIO: « #48 on: Yesterday at 05:02:54 PM »

Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 04:29:27 PM
^^^^^^ According to you in the post before, you said that the Gospel of Jesus, as a logion was not complete in the Logia (gospels) in the Bible/ You states a verse in the Acts to demonstrate this, and even mentioned Logion of Thomas, as well.

In all of these above, and specifically the for that are now canons, we know that something is still missing from the Gospel of Jesus, or added to the Gospel of Jesus.

You definitely know that a man who says he is a servant can be the sired and the only sired son of the same entity he is a slave, servant to.

Its not like being an ifa priest and a pastor at the same time. The people may be concern to get wacked with ifa or bible if they say anything.

That is not the case when it comes to Almighty. True believers will doubt a man who says he is God's servant to be God's son. Why would God need son.

You are totally incoherent.

[/Quote]Sure. But if it is Ifa chanting, you bet I would have been coherent, regardless of how silly it is.




[QUote] I don't see how anything you've said above pertains to anything that I have said. Please explain.[.Quote]Is the Bible corrupt? Do you know what it means to be corrupt, in the matter of what a person originally said versus what he was later reported to have said? Is the NT corrupt? That was the question, before you jumped right in. Is like your Amala and the Amala remix threads. Many responded somewhat awkwardly. So you have here.



[QUote]And by the way, Logion is simply a saying. Logia means sayings. Or, if you like, utterances. Logion is the singular and Logia is the plural. The books of Matthew mark luke and john and also thomas are not the logia, but they contain logia. Do you understand that?[/Quote]If I asked a muslim to recite Quran, and if he or she recites a single verse and stops, that would have been Quran. Everything is relative. When I said Logion, I meant a single saying. When i said Logia, I meant more than a single saying; it could be a chapter, a Gospel according to . . . . and it could have been all the canonized. Reality: even from all the canonized, plus the Acts, plus, and plus (throw what you want in it), the total logia of Jesus is not available to the Christians. What you have is a compilation of some (not all the Truth) Truth and a whole lotta Dare; this is corruption



[Quote]btw Are you Vedaxcool, because I was actually addressing Vedaxcool. Are you using 2 IDs.[/Quote]Just like you jumped into the discussion away from the Amala threads and the Ifa oracles, to respond to Vadexcool, I am jumping to just correct your thoughts that the Bible truly have a leg to stand on. Read it, again. Many Logia are missing. Others have been made logia. A fake logion is "I am God". How is the Ifa working for you, since I dislike it?

I dey laugh because of the derivitive that the "last line makes jesus one with God".

this is pitiful.

A man who depended on his God, all of a sudden became one with that God! i dey laugh.

^^^^^^^: Oh my. The keferi is interpreting the Quran from his own desire!

Oh disbeliever in Oneness of God, disbeliever in Islam, disbeliever in what Allah reveals to Muhammad, (AS), disbeliever in the Messengership of Muhammad; do you think Quran and Islam is like your Bible and Christianity?

Allah is One, while your gods are in 3 like a Tripod.

Jibril, (AS), an Angel is a spirit, unseen like every spirit (All Angels, All Genies, All Souls of human beings) except when Allah Wills Jibril to be visible. One such occasion is his interaction with Mary.

Jibril is called by many names and among the Angels he is specifically the spirits, a nickname just like Sweetnecta is for me, on NL. Of course my name is known to those who know me, or those who by deceit think they know it, except it is a conjecture on their part. They may be correct or not, guess work is what they live by.

Jibril, a spirit in many verses, including Surah Qadr (malaikatu wa ruhu fi ha).

Only an ignorant person will say ruhu here and other places will think that it is other than Jibril (AS).

Can any soul, muslim or not, know Quran more than the one who (AS), it was revealed upon?

So when a kafir is saying that Jibril is not the Ruhu or RuhuQudus, we should the disbeliever, what authority do you stand on?

Are you an arab? If yes, are you a muslim? If yes, did you hear Muhammad (AS) describe Ruhu, RuhuQudus other than saying it is Jibril? What is your authority, man?

Oh my. My. oh my. If you think this is overshadowing and overwhelming a young woman Mary, then look into your Bible. Quran does not say that.

^^^^^^ According to you in the post before, you said that the Gospel of Jesus, as a logion was not complete in the Logia (gospels) in the Bible/ You states a verse in the Acts to demonstrate this, and even mentioned Logion of Thomas, as well.

In all of these above, and specifically the for that are now canons, we know that something is still missing from the Gospel of Jesus, or added to the Gospel of Jesus.

You definitely know that a man who says he is a servant can be the sired and the only sired son of the same entity he is a slave, servant to.

Its not like being an ifa priest and a pastor at the same time. The people may be concern to get wacked with ifa or bible if they say anything.

That is not the case when it comes to Almighty. True believers will doubt a man who says he is God's servant to be God's son. Why would God need son.

^^^^^^ So which to obey here: Jesus as the servant or as you call him God?

Who is correct and must be obeyed; you for forcing or promoting him to God or Jesus who says he is a slave, sorry servant?


If we cant obey the Bible, how did you know about Jesus that you are ignorantly promoting?

Rubbish the Bible and elevate the Jesus you know only from the Bible you are rubbishing.

Na today?

@Olaadegbu, Kola Oloye, etc: What do you think of the verses below, relative to Jesus dying for your sins? Please approach the two opposing ideas, directly. Dont be shy people. Jesus, you must defend with all your might. The Bible you must defend with all your might, just as well. But when Jesus and the Bible clash, where do you lean. Who will be the winner and which is the loser between Jesus and the Bible?

Ezekiel 18:
20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

Hebrews 5:
7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

is it not absolute deceit for a person to say that a person who ordered his subordinates to sell their cloths so that they purchase sword with it, was itching for a fight, especially when one of the swords cut off an ear?

so say such a Yellow cake from Niger republic, as claimed by Cheney was not meant for Saddam's WMD is telling the truth.

Alas, there was no yellow cake and no aluminium tubing and no WMD.
Alas, the guy who chopped off the ear didnt die by sword.
Jesus according to the Bible was hung. Did he live by hanging? Maybe the carpentering, right?

Help me out here christian people. Its your god, your prophetic saying. Its definitely unreal.

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And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear. Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. [Matthew 26:51-52]
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« #129 on: Today at 04:04:24 PM »

It's difficult for him to see that. It's only the one he wants to see, like the Bible talking about mo as the last prophet. Or maybe that part is corrupted but the sword part is clean.[/Quote]See the art of defense.
They will use all kinda illogical to defend him.
Whats a man with sword to do when he see some effort to manhandle his general but to use the Sword?

And we used it, we read a reproach. Okay so the sword was meant to be a peeler.

How did the guy who wielded a sword died? Was it by the sword?
How did the people who died by hanging live for them to die by the "hanging"?

How did Paul live for him to die the way he died? Is the prophetic saying live by the sword and die by it has always been 100% correct?

Oh my. They fall over themselves on nothingness. Oh my.

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« #313 on: Today at 11:53:56 AM »

Quote from: vedaxcool on Today at 09:55:33 AM
Muhammad Dictated the Qur'an to the scribe, whom after wrting any verse read it for the Holy Prophet Muhamad PBUH, the greatest emanicipator of Mankind and most successful religious personality that ever lived, for him to hear what was written. The Propehty also commited the Qur'an to memory and ever since then the qur'an has remianed the most memorized book in the world. ALLAHU Akbar, the unbelievers detest the light, Yet ALLAh continues to perfect it.
Quote from: bashy_demy on Today at 07:17:05 AM
^^ Quran was reveal to Muhammad by Almighty Allah does that Answer your Question, and about the Hadith, its was the combination of some great scholar Muhammad did not write the hadith , its like saying Seyibrown said and i quote i wish you can understand what am talking about if not let me know

From both your answers: ALLAH 'REVEALED' EVERY word of the Quran to Mohammed; MOHAMMED DICTATED the words to a scribe; and THE SCRIBE 'WROTE' those words down. SCHOLARS who knew the story(life) of Mohammed wrote the Hadiths.
Questions: Did any of these scholars receive any 'revelations' directly from Allah? Where did they get the 'combinations' from which they formed the Hadiths from?[/Quote]You will always read hadith saying, from the authority of such and such, to such and such, to such and such, until the such and such person is the companion (RA) of the Messenger (AS). Such companion will say; I heard the messenger of Allah say Such and such on the occasion of such and such.

That begins to give a reason for somebody to even look at it as a possible hadith. Then you will look at the chain of narration, examining the narrators and also applying the hadith to Quranic verse or verses, the possible and already known quality of the messenger (AS), and other factors of how many chain of narrations. Hadith is a discipline all by itself.

Hadith since we have from fake to weak all the way to strong, its more like your Bible its fake to weak all the way to strong verses.If you remember that i argued that the "hadith" of Aisha saying that she was 6 or 9 was not sound and hence not a hadith because it didnt say I heard the Messenger say such and such, . . . .

@Seyibrown: « #310 on: Today at 03:03:43 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: lolade123 on Yesterday at 09:58:29 PM
Sentiments Aparts, do we ever ask ourself who wrote the bible.
What religious literature did Jesus wrote?
Do we have it in this world today?
Who is a christian?
Was Jesus one?

Lastly the Holy Quran was simply revealed to Muhammed from GOD.
It is not from is knowledge but that of Allah.

1. We already know that the books in Bible were 'written' by several people. Most Bible versions tell you who wrote which book.[/Quote]First name is not always a good or specific way to identify an individual. If we wrote just Seyi on the board, some other person may think it was his/her own seyi, hence we write brown after to specify Seyibrown. Do we have this in the Bible writers? John; what John or John what?



[Quote]2. Jesus did not 'write' any religious literature.[/Quote]Was he given any by his SENDER to preach or he just made up his own, without any "Authority" over him, even though we read verses where he said he was sent? Sending cant be without any instruction. Can we say the Instruction[s] were revelations? Please point out such a possible "revelation" to us. I do hope that one of these two is; 1. Your servant Jesus, who You sent. 2. My father and I are 1.



[Quote]3. Since Jesus did not 'write' any such literature, none is available in this world today.[/Quote]Did he preach make up from his own mind, or was it revelation from his Sender? I am asking this question because I need to know how the Bible writers were able to describe the events of Mary's pregnancy, the birth of Jesus, and other matters, which Jesus was too young to know and the writers were not present when they happened.



[Quote]4. A follower of JESUS CHRIST. Someone who lives their lives according to the TEACHINGS of CHRIST.[/Quote]The teaching[s] of Jesus included the ghost coming upon and powerfully overshadowing Mary, delivering baby in a mearnger. Do you live your lives like that?



[Quote]5. Jesus WAS NOT A FOLLOWER OF CHRIST (see 4 above); Jesus WAS THE CHRIST.[/Quote]So his lifestyle itself shouldnt count, though you are trying to imitate this lifestyle. It is the imitation that counts, not the original? Is that not possible therefore that if he said something, someone might have heard something else, entirely different and ran with it? A servant cant be the sired don of the same exact entity. Or is that possible?



[Quote]Now one question for you: DID MOHAMMED WRITE THE QURAN OR THE HADITHS?[/Quote]Neither was written by him (AS). He was unlettered.



[Quote]« #313 on: Today at 11:53:56 AM »

Quote from: vedaxcool on Today at 09:55:33 AM
Muhammad Dictated the Qur'an to the scribe, whom after wrting any verse read it for the Holy Prophet Muhamad PBUH, the greatest emanicipator of Mankind and most successful religious personality that ever lived, for him to hear what was written. The Propehty also commited the Qur'an to memory and ever since then the qur'an has remianed the most memorized book in the world. ALLAHU Akbar, the unbelievers detest the light, Yet ALLAh continues to perfect it.
Quote from: bashy_demy on Today at 07:17:05 AM
^^ Quran was reveal to Muhammad by Almighty Allah does that Answer your Question, and about the Hadith, its was the combination of some great scholar Muhammad did not write the hadith , its like saying Seyibrown said and i quote i wish you can understand what am talking about if not let me know

From both your answers: ALLAH 'REVEALED' EVERY word of the Quran to Mohammed; MOHAMMED DICTATED the words to a scribe; and THE SCRIBE 'WROTE' those words down. SCHOLARS who knew the story(life) of Mohammed wrote the Hadiths.
[b]Questions: Did any of these scholars receive any 'revelations' directly from Allah? Where did they get the 'combinations' from which they formed the Hadiths from?[/b]You will always read hadith saying, from the authority of such and such, to such and such, to such and such, until the such and such person is the companion (RA) of the Messenger (AS). Such companion will say; I heard the messenger of Allah say Such and such on the occasion of such and such. That begins to give a reason for somebody to even look at it as a possible hadith. Then you will look at the chain of narration, examining the narrators and also applying the hadith to Quranic verse or verses, the possible and already known quality of the messenger (AS), and other factors of how many chain of narrations. Hadith is a discipline all by itself. Hadith since we have from fake to weak all the way to strong, its more like your Bible its fake to weak all the way to strong verses.If you remember that i argued that the "hadith" of Aisha saying that she was 6 or 9 was not sound and hence not a hadith because it didnt say I heard the Messenger say such and such, . . . .[/quote]

@Mazaje: « #8 on: Yesterday at 03:05:48 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Martian on Yesterday at 01:50:19 PM
Are you guys serious? First, y'all think humans were created by aliens, now you're salivating over conspiracy theory bull$hit!!

David icke who claimed he was the son of god, that the world would be destroyed in 1991 by a tidal wave.

That's who you people listen to? What world y'all live in?



Never knew the guy was another looney claiming to be the son of any God, but he made some salient points in his video. . .[/Quote]Life itself is a classroom. So much to learn, man. So much we dont know. So those who claim their is no GOD are in the "I dont know column" on the subject. Most are too arrogant to accept this lack of knowledge, or they know by too proud to want want to admit there is a Lord over them? Yet, as babes, it was mom, primarily who nurtured them. And mom used to be a weakling like them as a child, too. The Overall Nurturer Who is the Source of Nurture is God. he Nurtures those who nurture, and He is above all nurturers.

Oh my! Somebody has got a cone or a brother in dadde. Both males can help exposing the frailty of Jesus.

The God who is afraid of common criminals like Babatunde Folorunsho and Ishola Oyenusi type is no God, but god.


Oh my. lol. They come up with all kinda excuses. from ridiculous to the more ridiculous, instead of just admitting that it was a wild wild west, and somebody was eager to throw down, walking the gauntlet of two swords, and many bags and just the cloth on your back.

Buying swords especially after performing great miracles does not seem to be a logical defense of "owning swords because of desert robbers".

Brother LagosShia; in Islam as you know more than me, every situation has conditions.

Allah's Messenger (AS) did not let Ali bin Abi Talib marry a woman for a specific reason, while Ali (RA was married to Fatima (RA).

Abu Bakr (RA) who Allah's Messenger himself called al Saddiq knows better than you or any tabi in (ra to the tabi in) why he did not give whatever he didnt give to the daughter of the Prophet.

No scholar from the tabi in generation onward to now and to the last of human generation is capable to blame a people Allah The Almighty is already pleased with.

There was an incident in the time of the Messenger (AS) among his companions (RA), who their leader away from Madina asked them to jump into a fire. When they refused he reminded them of the instruction of the prophet who said they should obey him.

On their returning to Madina they related the incident to the Messenger and their not obeying their leader just that time. The Messenger (AS) told them that if they had obeyed their leader, they would remained in the fire until the day of Judgment.

On the case of the daughter of the Messenger (AS), while the Messneger himself helped in the house shore, Fatima (RA) asked for a house help, maid if you will. Instead the messenger (AS) taught her what was better to say (33 Subhannah, 33 Alhamdulillah, 34 Allahu Akbar) instead. Many men have used this condition to think that their role does not include the house shore, forgetting the position of the messenger in this very issue.