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@Seyibrown: « #16 on: December 05, 2010, 11:08 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on December 05, 2010, 09:10 PM
@SEyibrown; I take the same position as the Messenger (AS) took about people who insulted his person. No one was hurt for this. However when a person undermined Islam, working hard to hurt the system, then let him receive what he receives.

Now about let the person fights for himself; it is a noble statement, if you can apply it across the board. While Muhammad (AS) was a human being, your god Jesus was all the rage for you christians.

You cant live his defense down; from organized military to loose canon militia. we see the work of lies and liars.

Oppression is worse than killing. Always remember that, seyi. You have a god that can not defend himself even from the hands of jews. what you people resorted to was wage wars while allowing jews to oppress the innocents, too.

Have you got any information on what exactly the woman said? What part of her 'alleged' insult is an attempt to topple Islam? It is scary that in your own opinion, a poor woman who lives in some impoverished village should be put to death just for expressing her opinions about a dead man? How many times have muslims on this website referred to Jesus, Yahweh, Christians and The Holy Spirit using derogatory names? If people were to be killed for expressing a 'not very nice' opinion about others, we'd all be dead by now! Not everyone is happy to be subjected to an oppressive system which this case is an Islamic government.[/Quote]I hope Oluwaseyi brown (Mrs. busy as a beeeeeeeeeeeeee), didnt read my above post when she was busy, the reason for an opinion different from what I actually said? My position is that of the Prophet {AS}. Even the woman who poisoned his food was let go because of her reason. A muslim who actually passed the secret of the people of Madina to the idolatry Makkans was let go for his reason. deeds are precipitated upon intentions. When it was not a matter of insurgency there should not be any harm on the woman is what I meant, my reason for using he, instead of she when it came to "undermining".



[Quote]Sweetnecta, just imagine that your daughter is about to be sentenced death for insulting Jesus or Yahweh![/Quote]I have no daughter so I cant imagine it. Imagine that!

[Quote]Does Islam really save people or give them freedom? No Sweetnecta, it seeks to enslave people to the Law of sin, condemnation and death by oppression, coercion and terrorism! God almighty has given each and everyone of us FREEDOM TO CHOOSE between GOOD and EVIL! We should all be free to express our opinions and any offended persons should seek HUMANE and CONVINCING ways to CHANGE THE OPINION of that person , NOT MURDER THEM! Human beings were not created to be ROBOTS! When you choose to condemn this woman to death for insulting Mohammed or Islam, how do you expect God to treat you for insulting Jesus and Christianity because afterall your Quran says Jesus is a prophet! We will receive the same 'mercy' we show to others![/Quote]Seyi, if you shout, falsely on top of your voice "FIRE", inside crowded London Palladium and a single soul is lost, you will be charged for murder. Same situation is guaranteed under US law. There is something called civil decorum. its an appropriate behavior expected when logical mind is being responsible in a setting. If you see a crowd of English people, and the Queen is talking to them and you walk up to her and start raining abuse on the old woman, you will see how civil white brits are; they will all change to skinheads in front of you. You will be fortunate if you tell the story inside the plane heading to Lagos, Nigeria.

Yet the Queen with all her pump and pageantry is nobody in the eye of human compared to the esteem of Muhammad (AS). Never have I insulted Yahweh, God, except the idol yahweh of jews similar to their golden calf and of the christian father who is not independent.

Ickes used the SUN as a talking point. He amasses followers like Mazaje, etc by it.

I thought MOON is what people accused Islam on?


Sun, too? Lol. The Loonie tunes.

I read all the posts of the christans. I wonder what many former christians, now muslims will say as a rebuttal?

Lets ask Seyi Williams, whose whole family and cousins reverted to Islam, within her second Ramadhan? Thats in Nigeria.

What about reverts in the western countries?

^^^^^^none of the above from dexmond about Islam under Muhammad's (AS) preaching is close to the truth.

Judaism, paganism, christianity, Zoroast, etc, and the perfected islamic jesus, all shall go to hell fire.

Only Islam goes to Paradise;

Islam of Adam; wife, Abel, etc minus Cain shall be of Paradise.

Islam under Noah; those who were saved in the ship shall be of paradise, while others shall not.


Islam under Lot: Those who didnt die by brimstone shall be of Paradise, while wife and others shall not.

Islam of Musa: Harun, Joshua, and other youths shall be of Paradise, while those adults who lead the manufacture of golden calf yahweh shall not

Islam under Jesus; His companions shall be of paradise while those who called him god or son of god shall not as well as those who rejected him.

Islam under Muhammad; From his time all the way to the end of time, only his Islam shall have the chance of paradise, while other religions shall not.

Allah guides those He Wills by their yearning for His Favor.

^^^^^ But no idol has entered Makka since Muhammad (AS) and his companions (RA) entered it victoriously some 14+ centuries ago? How do you explain such a no idolatry, iconoclasm?

But on the other hand the Bible reported the children of Israel under Solomon the wise worshiped idols?

Further, today we see the christians with their image and hero worships (lol) of idol Jesus son of Mary and even the catholic carry this mentality to include Mary?

I put question marks just to agitate your christian mind against the Bible that spoke about no raven image but then spoke about cross in the same manner as the OT golden calf.

^^^^^^^ Since you have people in Lagos, if you dont understand Yoruba, ask your Lagos "WIFE" that a yoruba man calls you ala ini La aa kaye.

First the mundane; Just to let you know that you christians always make noise without substance; you bear aletheia, a greek word, while Jesus who you call god spoke no greek but only syriac and a child of Israel. same way with the pastor who still keeps his Ifa based name.

How committed are you people to Jesus, except that you are mere noise makers and will not separate from your idolatry past for his sake? I have no respect for idolatry and idolaters. Their secrets are not safe with me. Pastor is attached to ifa, you aletheia is attached to zeus or apollo; of greek fraternity!

Now to the headache you have; The Name of Malaika Jibril (AS). There are few things you cant deny written about him;
He exists.
He is a Malaika (An Angel)
he is created.
The Quran was brought by him, as piece meal revelations, on a situation by situation basis.
He accompanied Muhammad (AS) in the Isra wa Miraj journey.
He was called by Allah in descriptions by many attributes.
One of the Attributes is RuhuQudud (Holy Spirit).


Now if you know of any RuhuQudus apart from Jibril, please points him to us from the Quran.
If you think there is no RuhuQudus from the Quran, please states it very clearly and give us your reason[s].


If you have any idea of who your Biblical Holy spirit is, please give us his name and your reason.


I have asked you to wager your sham on this matter. You have refused. Just like the secret of your Ifa pastor is not safe with me, so is your apollo inclination is not safe with me.


People are watching your next move on this matter. You need to come clean or forever keep quite and stop displaying your lack of Islamic knowledge. I am not knowledgeable, but I do know God is 1 and Jesus is a servant of God. I know Jibril is ruhuQudus and your aletheia is an idolater.

@Seyibrown: « #18 on: December 04, 2010, 01:39 PM »
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No, he did not approve of the copies that were in circulation during his life time.

I found the below in the Quran, and it ONLY tells me that the TORAH and GOSPEL are valid as God will judge the Jews and the Christians respectively by them.

QURAN 5: 46 -48 ( Version: Sahih International)
46 And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous.

47 And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.

48 And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ.

. . . . and that the 'Books' were already with the Jews and the Christians (as at the time of Mohammed and the writing of the Quran)

QURAN 4: 47 (Version: Muhsin Khan)
O you who have been given the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Believe in what We have revealed (to Muhammad SAW) confirming what is (already) with you , before We efface faces (by making them like the back of necks; without nose, mouth, eyes, etc.) and turn them hindwards, or curse them as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers. And the Commandment of Allah is always executed.

I did not find anything in the Quran that says that that the 'Torah and Gospel' that the Quran refers to as what 'God will judge the people of the Book by' and that which 'was already with them' have been corrupted.

[/Quote]You have to admit that the verses above spoke to Muhammad (AS), first, about the time of Moses as in the revelation time of the Torah. Then about the time of Jesus as in the revelation time of the Inji, the Gospel if you will. When these noble men were alive, first Moses, the Torah that was being given to him have to be perfect, and pristine because he was there to guide it and use it to judge the children of Israel. The case must be what happened to Jesus when he was alive to guide and use the Gospel and what he knew as the truth from what the Jews had, disregarding their "handmade by the pen of the scribes" to judge and guide. Now fast forward to verse 4;47. Allah now addressed the two people with previous revelations, Jews and Christians about a man and the latest revelation he has (AS), from the same God. Just like it was wrong for Jews to ignore Jesus, and stubbornly stick with Moses during the time of Jesus, it is now wrong just the same to stubbornly stick with Moses by Jews still, and Jesus by Christians, ignoring the present Messenger (AS) with them. This is a t the time of revelation of Quran. Now, since Allah says in Surah Azhab that Prophethood has ended with Muhammad (AS), we do not expect any religion as God says in Surah Maidah that He has Perfected the Only religion for mankind, and by it a favor from Him all under Muhammad, and whoever brings another religion, it will not be accepted, followership of Muhammad by Quran, Sunnah and Authentic Hadith therefore is expected from all, especially those who are aware that revelations used to come from God to man messenger (AS) for guidance of man; communities, etc.

Allah says, to show that Jews and Christians have erred, and their books have been corrupted gave many ayah in the Quran and my brothers who have responded to you have stated many. I will like you to read verse 12 to 15 of Surah Maidah. You will see that Allah says in them that Jews hide the truth, so do the christians. The hiding began sometimes before succeeding prophet came after the previous one. After Moses and before Jesus (AS), the Jews hid the truth. ANd it is by this that Jesus said the false pen of the scribes thing in your NT. From the same NT we see that post Jesus, suddenly Jesus became a God, while he said himself that he was a servant sent, among being powerless. We also see gospels argued out or preached by the likes of Paul whereby Jesus became what you Seyibrown have swallowed, whole. Again, the bible is the worst enemy of the bible. By the above what God will Judge believers at the time of Mose with will be the Pure Torah before the scribes used their pen to mark it all up; trashing it, hiding the truth. What God will Judge believers at the time of Jesus will the Pure Gospel before we have the scribes (Paul, the council of Necea, etc, King James later later) used their own formula of pen to mark it all up, trashing it, hiding the truth just like the Jews.


[1. Have you got any scriptural proof that the 'Torah and Gospel' as referred to above as being valid before God WERE DISAPPROVED BY MOHAMMED? Please provide them. I will prefer proof from the Quran over proof from an Hadith given the number of times Muslims have told us of the unreliabilty of certain Hadiths on NL![quote][/Quote]Allah says that He revealed Torah to Moses, and Gospel to Jesus. What other proofs do you need? It was the Torah or Injil before the scribes got their hands on it after each prophet left his community. Or Seyi will say that the scribes didnt play on Taurah of Moses, as Jesus complained or that there was nothing written in the NT that Jesus didnt have any part of? The Torah and Injil that has input of scribes are corrupt; Allah will always disapprove corruption. You seyi even disapprove corruption. Thats a fact.



[Quote]2. Please provide Quranic proof that the Torah and Gospel (that God will judge Jews and Christians by) as referred to in the scripture above was the 'corrupted' ones, or provide Quranic proof to show that the scripture refers to the 'uncorrupted' ones.[/Quote]Seyi goes back and forth, thinking that she can bamboozoo us. There, as above response, some children of Israel, of the time of Moses shall be judged by what was given to Moses. Those who shall find favor of God by it will certainly be Moses, Aaron, Joshua to name obvious few. Those who wil find disaster by it will include those leader who constructed the yahweh of golden calf (i use yahweh so that the christian may know that it simply means the lord and the calf was the lord then). In today's jewish Torah which is now corrupt, God will also judge them by it for sticking on corruption, from the time corruption entered it, all the way passing Jesus era because they refused to come to him, just as they refuse to come to Muhammad (AS) then and now. Apply this same process to Christianity and Injil. Truth at time t or dt is always constant, 1 truth, without any version but original truth. This is Islam of the Prophets, ending with Muhammad (AS).



[Quote]3. Please provide proof, Quranic (and Historical outside the Quran, if available) that the contents of the 'corrupted' books SIGNIFICANTLY distort the message of the original books, and cite instances from the ORIGINALS in comparison with the CORRUPTED.[/Quote}Allah says of the Jews they called Uzair son of God. And the Christians say that Jesus son of Mary (son of Mary it is identified) as son of God. Allah says that they lied that God does not need any child, everything being His creation. Allah says they should stop saying these horrible things. ANd the christinas to desist about Trinity (Please read Surah Maidah) You can read verses 4 and 5of Surah Kahf too, where Allah spoke about the liars who said evil thing that Allah has a son. The original Torah and Gospel said that God is 1 and everything else is His servant, created. Jesus said he was servant as you can read in your Bible, stating further that he was powerless, unable to do anything by himself. He and I both, just the Messengers (AS)) and Prophets (AS).



[Quote]4.  Please, also provide Quranic (and Historical outside the Quran, if available) that the 'corruption of the originals' ONLY as you have found and provided in answer to Q3 above are to the extent that adherents of the books abide by rules that cause them to live contrary God's commandments, and cite instances from the ORIGINALS in comparison with the CORRUPTED.[/Quote]Go back to the above and your answer lies in there. By the way no practicing Jew believes that God Who created everything somehow found it necessary to go into a woman's belly and be cocooned there for 9 months and then came out weak like every human child. Needed mom's breasts and after all of that ran away, docking from being killed and finally his fortune ran out, got hung. It just doesnt add up in the mind of normal people. AM sure your holy ghost told you differently; climbing up on a woman, overshadowing her, is like a plan for holiness.



[Quote]5. Please provide proof (Quranic) as to whether the 'Books' had been corrupted AS AT THE TIME the 'revelation of the Quran' was given to Mohammed or the 'writing of the Quran' OR that they were corrupted AFTER the 'revelation' and 'writing' of the Quran.[/Quote]The idea of trinity was already estalished, and Quran spoke against it. Go to Surah Al Maidah.



[Quote]PLEASE REMEMBER TO AVOID as much as possible ANY DODGY HADITHS THAT CONTRADICT THE QURAN in answering the above. Proof outside the Quran should preferably be REFERENCED so as to allow participants and spectators to be able to examine the contents and the credibility of the originators.
Thanks in advance.[/Quote]The brothers did excellent job. Hopefully, something good will come out of these.

Both deluded persons.

Olaadegbu is drawing conclusion from an opaque position, sorry perspective.

Kola Oloyo is already under an Opaque.

Blind describing color with a hand gesture of pointing to a blind.


Both of you; miss road, oh yes. you miss road.

@Seyibrown: Human beings behaving humanly.


You read how the Nkom women led by Madame Ngboyibo demolished the Open Gay Church?

Thats how humans behave; when you see evil, if you can stop it with your hands, do it.

If you are weak that you can not, then talk against it by voicing your disagreement.

if you are still weak to do that, at least hate it with your heart.

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[Quote]I will be happy to examine proof that you have not sinned against God ever in your life, o thou SAINT SWEETNECTA! Grin

. . and Our Lord Jesus - 'the love of your life and the glorified of your Quran' Grin -[/Quote]There is none that I love under the heaven as much as I love Muhammad (AS). No one that ever walked the earth that i love like him, and I am a lover of women; my mother and those women in my life. You should know me enough before you put words in my mouth like you did for Jesus.



[Quote]said on the matter of the adulterous woman 'HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN SHOULD CAST THE FIRST STONE' . . . [/QUote]Surprise. Surprise. e didnt cast any.



[Quote]and you are familiar with the result: THE ADULTEROUS WOMAN'S LIFE WAS SAVED because Jesus was indirectly telling them that 'IF THE WOMAN WAS WORTHY OF STONING FOR HER SIN, SO WERE THEY TOO Grin! All dem 'holier than thou people 'dis-f'ara han' (GAFARA DE 'YORUBANGLISH' Grin) and dragged their feet with them in shame! Grin[/Quote]Okay. But the law stood after that, because over 620 years after the fact, Jews in Madina brought exact same case to Muhammad (AS). He told them to bring their book, which still had such a law unwatered down, then. They were trying to cover it up. Allah inspired Muhammad to tell the Jew to move his palm which he used to cover the verse and its punishment and a muslim read it out. Imagine if it was not a law? A woman may just go out and test a man in order to compare him to her husband. So will many men try the taste test of other women only to see how the wife measures up. Is this a good life?



[Quote]Christians quote and explain what the Bible says about those who do not accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour just as Muslims do too from the Quran on those who do not follow Mohammed. TODAY, ONLY ONE OF THESE TWO PUT THEMSELVES IN THE POSITION OF GOD BY EXECUTING SINNERS.[/Quote]Neither is alive today. Thats reality and if you find Jesus on picaddily, hold on to him becase many muslims in London will like to see him. A fake God was not able to implement law and judgment. Moses was a prophet, just like Muhammad, and both enacted laws given to them by their Lord and they judged people by the laws.

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Jesus in the Bible, I will not quote unless I am pointing out something to a christian. My Quran is enough in all other situations. If I were dealing with a Jew i will go to Moses. Otherwise my Quran is enough in all other situations. The same way with others people who are not Muslims, except the full blown idolaters and denials; Hindu, atheists, etc.

Why do you apply limitations to your use of Jesus' teachings when the Quran agrees that he was indeed sent by God, and also according to you 'the Quran glorifies Jesus? Why do you dishonour him that your Quran glorifies and approves of? Is Allah happy for you to dishonor the one he glorifies and sent?[/Quote]Sayiddina Isa bin Maryam (AS), Allah says in the Quran, Rasullah, like all previous Messengers. Dont you see that his mother and he are humans, eating drinking etc, I ask you, Seyi? That is different fro your idol, Jesus of the Bible who you made to a god. Allah says on the day of Judgment, He will bring that Jesus forward and ask him if he made himself and his mother (the cathoic worship his mother, by praying to her, while you made Jesus god by praying to him among other things you bestowed on him) gods beside Allah? Jesus will deny that. It is you Seyibrown that I pity for degrading Jesus so that his Lord will have to make him deny in the gathering of humanity waiting for judgment that you have lied on him.



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Since the Bible is not my criterion, but for you and jesus. I have the following observations; For Jesus when he called people fools, vipers, adulterous, even dogs, what is the consequence of each of them, based on your statement? When you christians, with leadership of Paul say off the cuff, or off the wall things like all knees shall bow, or calling us Infidels in Titus, and saying that our refusal to accept Trinity or be bath in 2000 plus old blood, while we are not idolaters, and even saying that our not accepting human as God are misguidance, what do you think God Almighty will do to you?

You seem to misunderstand my use of the words judgement and condemnation. When I use both words, I am referring to 'holding someone accountable for error and pronouncing punishment as if one were God'. I do not use those words to refer to 'pointing out what people are based on their actions'. Telling a married man who sleeps with someone else other than is wife that he is an adulterer is not judging them in the context which I use the two words. He has committed adultery and I pointed it out. S[b]aying that he should die for sinning against God will mean that I am assuming the position of God,[/b] weighing his act and sentencing him for a sin which he is accountable to God.[/QUote]However you sliced it, in this case the bold has its ruling already. A bachelor caught in the act is to be whipped 100 lashes after judgment. A married man should be stoned to death after judgment. I'm sure that your tune will be different if you find "hubby" doing the do. Women will ask for his head on a platter with batting an eye. When you say that you will not follow God's Order because you are more moral, that itself is pride, sinful and deserves punishment. I personally will ignore a person in that I find doing the do. I know the consequence of announcing it. If my spouse were to be found in that condition, unlike Toba who will forgive and make up, the relationship end right on the spot.



[Quote]If you say that the Israelites sinned against God, you may be right and possibly arrived at that conclusion based on what you read and have seen about them; but to say that God will not forgive them is not your place because YOU ARE NOT GOD! You are a mere man and a sinner like any of the Jews whom you label sinners![/Quote]Thanks you. I never said a human is God. And I am human. God already condemned them in the Quran. God condemned non muslims in the Quran. God condemned evil doers among mankind, muslims or not in the Quran, except those who repent and come on the straight path; Islam. You seyi seem to me a hypocrite, because in easter time christian youth never forgets that Jews killed Jesus. Many jews have been attached in America because of this. So your denial is really unnecessary.



[Quote]Psalm 130:3 (Amplified Bible)
3If You, Lord, should keep account of and treat [us according to our] sins, O Lord, who could stand?
In Yoruba: Bi Olorun ba n s'ami ese; ta ni i ba duro? Cry[/QUote]In Islam, the Quran says that we should seek repentance and dont even be arrogant or full of pride to do so. Quran also says that we should not lose hope that God shall forgive us. This is a balance, different from your erecting a barrier between you and God.

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Now tell me about Jesus being recognized. I want it from Jesus. Not what others after his ordeal and his being lifted up to heaven claimed for him. Let Jesus defend his own position, otherwise I am the king of Cricket game; yet i dont know anything about this game.

Of course, he was RECOGNIZED! Most Scribes and Pharisees only refused to accept him because he exposed them for what they really were - filthy on the inside but clean on the outside. The number of those who RECOGNIZE and ACCEPT CHRIST is far greater than the number of the 'Jews who rejected him during his lifetime'.[/Quote]Let the record known about the acceptance of Jesus then and even now among the Jesus bear you out as a person who ignores reality. Christianity and Jesus are hated by the Jews of today. Jesus alone was hated by the Jews of his time, so much so that they did not rest until they had him hung. I spoke about the Jews, you brought out gentiles. Moses was successful as the law maker and giver of the whole children of Israel of 12 nations. So was David. So was Solomon. Jesus of the Bible was a total failure, a sham, shamble, if you will. His situation is comparable to non yoruba people who thought Awolowo was a success. Many of us who are yorubas and knew the dream of Awolowo even over Yorubas saw him as a failure. A man who struggled and never achieved his set goal eg jesus consolidating the Jews to accept him as their king, judge and guide them to his brand of guidance, instead of Moses' is a complete failure.




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I quoted Quran you complained that am making Judgments. Allah is the Speaker. And He speaks the Truth; He creates and He Knows who is naughty or nice.

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Surah Maidah; Verses 12 to 15 are exactly what i need to give you

The above Surah does not say that the Jews are no longer favored as a result of killing Jesus. It says that they 'breached a covenant'.[/Quote]You dont curse your favorite person or persons, or you do? if you do, please dont count me among your favored. Surah Fatiha, Allah says those who have incurred the wrath [of God]. These were the jews. In other places a people fro among them broke the rulings of sabbath imposed on them then, in their own Islam. Allah turned them to pigs and apes. During the time of Moses, they built a yahweh in gold in form of a "Maalu". They spent 40 years parading a distance which was equal to next door from Egypt so that all who were over 40 years at the event of Golden Calf died off. They killed many prophets and John son of Zacharias was a good example without doing them a thing that warrants it. They undermined many leaders, including Prophet Samuel, King Saul when they wanted to be like the nations they have met and destroyed. Your Bible even said Solomon as a wise king practiced idolatry. Then they killed your god who was also a prophet according to him by hanging him on a tree.
Are these people still your favorites? If they are, they need to get you and I advise you need to move to a Jewish town in Israel. They will turn you to what you dont expect. Watch.




[QUote]Would you mind telling me more about this covenant that the jews breached? In as few sentences as possible, please![/Quote]You coud have helped yourself to knowledge if you had gone to the verses.
Maidah verse 12: And Allah had already taken a covenant from the Children of Israel, and We delegated from among them twelve leaders. And Allah said, "I am with you. If you establish prayer and give zakah and believe in My messengers and support them and loan Allah a goodly loan, I will surely remove from you your misdeeds and admit you to gardens beneath which rivers flow. But whoever of you disbelieves after that has certainly strayed from the soundness of the way."

5:13; So for their breaking of the covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard. They distort words from their [proper] usages and have forgotten a portion of that of which they were reminded. And you will still observe deceit among them, except a few of them. But pardon them and overlook [their misdeeds]. Indeed, Allah loves the doers of good.

5:14; And from those who call themselves Christians, We took their covenant, but they have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. So We planted amongst them enmity and hatred till the Day of Resurrection (when they discarded Allah's Book, disobeyed Allah's Messengers and His Orders and transgressed beyond bounds in Allah's disobedience), and Allah will inform them of what they used to do.

5:15; O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Now has come to you Our Messenger (Muhammad SAW) explaining to you much of that which you used to hide from the Scripture and passing over (i.e. leaving out without explaining) much. Indeed, there has come to you from Allah a light (Prophet Muhammad SAW ) and a plain Book (this Quran).

@Seyibrown: [Quote]The bolded in your post as quoted leaves me wondering why 'ALLELUIA' is not used in any MOSQUE, the Quran or ISLAMIC GATHERING/ PRAYER/ WORSHIP![/Quote]Allaluia is wrong. So we use Yaa Allah instead. It means and it is direct from it; Oh Allah.

Tell me what Alleluia means and you see that it has no direct meaning. We will not see Alle, Allel, Allelu, Alleluia, or Alleluia in what ever you come up with.


In Arabic Yaa means Oh.

Allah is The Proper Name of The Creator. So Yaa Allah simply means Oh (The Creator) using His Proper Name; Allah.

What Godson is telling us is that we should throw caution and decency to the wind, because we are in the land of new sodom.


i'm sure if he were to be employed in nudist colony or one is established in his part of town, he will shed his cloth just because he wants to be part of the in crowd.

such weak mind is worthy of hell fire, since you cant even control yourself and do what is right because you are in the minority if you do.

the french people are catholic. their nuns cover dont they? why cant muslim women cover, too?

is that not better than boom boom shorts that is by its design a nudity?

who among us wants his old mother to be naked? who among us men wants his wife to be naked?

@SEyibrown; I take the same position as the Messenger (AS) took about people who insulted his person. No one was hurt for this. However when a person undermined Islam, working hard to hurt the system, then let him receive what he receives.

Now about let the person fights for himself; it is a noble statement, if you can apply it across the board. While Muhammad (AS) was a human being, your god Jesus was all the rage for you christians.

You cant live his defense down; from organized military to loose canon militia. we see the work of lies and liars.

Oppression is worse than killing. Always remember that, seyi. You have a god that can not defend himself even from the hands of jews. what you people resorted to was wage wars while allowing jews to oppress the innocents, too.

@Seyibrown: « #12 on: Yesterday at 11:16:06 PM »
[Quote]In this day and age, it is barbaric that any human being gets executed by another human being for 'insulting' anybody - dead or alive! Let the insulted fight for himself![/Quote[I take the same position as the Messenger (AS) took about people who insulted his person. No one was hurt for this. However when a person undermined Islam, working hard to hurt the system, then let him receive what he receives.

Now about let the person fights for himself; it is a noble statement, if you can apply it across the board. While Muhammad (AS) was a human being, your god Jesus was all the rage for you christians.

You cant live his defense down; from organized military to loose canon militia. we see the work of lies and liars.

Oppression is worse than killing. Always remember that, seyi. You have a god that can not defend himself even from the hands of jews. what you people resorted to was wage wars while allowing jews to oppress the innocents, too.[/quote]

who is more unjust than a "one" who sees truth and calls it "lie"?

Jesus has not been around for over 2000 years.


Muhammad (AS) was born 570 years after Jesus left the earth.

I was born in the last century. So were you, if you at least 10 years old.

we are alive still.

Between Jesus and Muhammad who is closer in generation to 2010? That is the person (AS) I am in his prophetic period. And so should you except that you are ignorantly arrogant about it; stiff necked, puffed up in empty pride that you wrap yourself in. I'm free of your deceit. I am debating one of your major swindlers (pastors that is). his name is Ifalegan. he has no shame. he reminds me of you, always. I asked tons of questions; no answer. just like you. He fights. he shouts. Just like you. I pay him no mind except to knead him like a dough, getting his warp concept tear apart from easy seams that are abound in trinity; jesus, ghost and father.


I hope education is not a wowo thing where ever you had it? you indict yourself with your ignorance, often and here, again.

To you, oh Muslims, for standing firm on the side of Allah and His Messenger (AS), defending Islam against the words of the slanderers, may Allah forgive you all your sins, regardless of how big they are. May He accept your last Taubah and make you as a shehid counting you among those who are from the highest level of Paradise. AMIN.

This religion, our Affair is of one body and every one is a part of the same body.

We stand together, all alone as a group and the attackers will not relent. But to Allah is All Victory.

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Quote from: *666* on November 29, 2010, 09:14 AM
Spirit has got no name. The holy spirit is God. God is an object of worship. God is a spirit and he is holy. That makes him the holy spirit.

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@*666*: « #954 on: November 29, 2010, 09:14 AM »Based on the two bold, can you therefore say you only have a proper name for 1 of the 3 in the Trinity?

I am assuming that this is your statement, since you said "Spirit" does not have or should not have any PROPER name.
Aletheia, learn good lesson from your star triple six star brother.

Mr Hamzah, discussing with you is like having a dialogue with a door-post. How is it that you were able to decipher what *666* wrote and yet didn't see this written much earlier?

Quote from: aletheia on November 26, 2010, 11:38 PM
^Who is shy about the Holy Spirit? From Genesis to Revelation, the Holy Spirit is the Holy Spirit or other synonyms thereof, no name is given, no name is necessary; for God is a Spirit. The true Christian will not go beyond what is written in the Bible because he is not like the Muslim who is forever adding words to the qur'an; the qur'an does not anywhere say or state that Gabriel is the Holy Spirit, it is Muslims like Sweetnecta that say so.[/Quote]I realize that they dont teach reasoning in schools anymore. If you use common sense, you will see that I said to *666*, be he a satanist or christian, i do not know because it is your superstition that attaches him with satan, but in my eyes, I read him defending christianity. What I was dragging out from him, was simple; since he and you cant give me the name of the holy ghost because spirits dont have names, yet, you were not shy to to give me a name for father, which is a spirit, according to him and i presume according to you too.

but are angels not spirits and dont we have gabreil, michael from them?
was satan not spirit and dont you call him an angel (this is a warp understanding of christianity about a jinn; satan who used to be called iblis before he erred big time) that fell from grace, waging war against God? is this fallen angel not lucifer by you, along with you caling him satan, the devil?

you need to start using common sense to get to reality; God Whom you call the Father is a spirit, but you gave Him names; Yahweh, Jehovah, Adonia, Elohim. Jesus called Him not father and none of the listed names, but Eloi.

God Whom you call Holy Ghost is a spirit, too like God the father, but you cant give the name of this Holy Ghost. Your reason is that he is a spirit, yet the Father which is a spirit too, you gave many names. Why are failing here, except that you and your Bible are in manifest error, because you conjure a fallacy, which God Almighty destroyed by revealing the poverty of your thinking to mere persons like me?

Let me go further. You call satan a fallen Angel. Angels are spirits. Yet you gave this fallen angel a name; Lucifer. I say to you that Satan which you call Lucifer was not an Angel but a Jinn or Genie, a created specie having a mind of its own similar to the free will of man. Both Jinn and Man shall be judged based on the free will, alone.

Now to Angels; They are spirits, as well, though of a different make up from Jinn or Genie. Angles do not have free will like humans or genies. Angels being spirits you are able to provide names of some of them; Angel Gabriel, Angel Michael.

Now we come to what is not a spirit: Human Jesus because at least he looked like you and I. You said he is God. You call him son. You gave him a proper name; Jesus. You gave him a proper title: messiah.

Now how did you fail to give but just Holy Ghost, when you can give for Father; many names, though title, which you cant provide for the Ghost? Note that Jesus provided a proper name for God as he called Him Eloi. You may wish to debate jesus on this matter. I will be happy to read it and support Jesus against you. Now give me the title of Ghost. And since Jesus provided proper Name of God, give ne the proper name of Ghost, in the same quality as Jesus being a proper name of the messiah, being a title?

You have a compounding problem, aletheia. I though you were finished challenging me? I see that your satan will nt let you rest. Answer the many questions and dont be shy this time. You are a man. Dont behave like a mere boy. Its a challenge.



[Quote]Did I not say that you are quick to agree with self-confessed Satanists but are resoundingly deaf when confronted with the truth. Or perhaps you were able to see it because 666 is the number of the qur'an, Muhammad and Islam. You do indeed reveal who your god is---Allah is Satan.

Maybe you should consider what the bible says about the number that you Muslims consider sacred.

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Behold, ye trust in lying words, that cannot profit. [Jeremiah 7:8][/Quote]Behold, the lying fingers of your phony scribe had typed your own desire. And Jesus said to you as he said to the beautiful virgins running after him, without their lite lantern; I do not know ye. You Aletheia depends on Jesus. I sweetnecta dont. I do not need him for nothing since I dont live 2000 years back. Muhammad (AS) is my reigning prophet. I follow him. I do not attach any significance to 666. This is your show; you and him and Tonye-T. We now know who is the superstition ridden? Its not me. Its you and your christian religion; hell belongs to evil doers.

^^^^^^^ Finally Jesus didnt know even that day.


So whats the hullabaloo about Jesus about then?


He was not better in knowledge than any prophet before him nor the only one after him.

^^^^^Is the above in defense of Jesus commanding his people to sell their cloths and purchase swords with the gains?

If this is the defense, it is pitiful to put it mildly. Everyone who sold his belong and retain only what he wears and carries an instrument of war always commit mayhem. look at the crusaders. look at the tamil tigers. look at the suicide bombers. major nedal of fort dix in texas gave away all his possession except the gun[s] he purchased, instead.

i am sure if he was a christian, they will put a spin on his action, as a temporary laps in judgment.

Jesus asked for people to buy sword. it was the weapon of choice at that time, one of it was used for severing an ear. is there any other purpose for swords of Jesus except what the disciple used it for; shedding blood of the disbeliever or the enemy whose party finally overwhelmed and nailed jesus, according to the Bible?

the two verse do not clear Jesus of the use of swords as weapon[s] of killing, or at least cutting of a man's body part.

christians never cease to amaze me with their silly defense of Jesus the warrior.

they will call him lamb when all of his actions indicate a wolf or wolverine at the appropriate time.

@Seyibrown: « #18 on: Today at 01:39:40 PM »
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No, he did not approve of the copies that were in circulation during his life time.[/Quote]And that is not to say that there is nothing correct in them. Corruption means lacking 100% truth or authenticity. For example, Allah inspired Muhammad (AS) to know that the Jews of Madina still had the aw to stone people of illegal sexual act when they brought their case to him (AS).



[Quote]I found the below in the Quran, and it ONLY tells me that the TORAH and GOSPEL are valid as God will judge the Jews and the Christians respectively by them.[/Quote]The Jews and Christians who continued to hold on to the corrupted document even as Quran with a live prophet was with them, who (AS) they ignored because of arrogance. It could also refer to when it was pure; Torah of Moses when it was pure because among the children of Israel, there were deviants even as Moses was present among them, after all, they constructed a Yahweh out of Gold taken from Egypt. The Christians with a fake name and fake religion came about after Jesus, same people before with Jesus without paul. They were pure and had a pure Injil of Jesus before paul. When he entered their mist, watch out; all truth at that time was chattered and corruption entered it. When Islam of Muhammad (AS) came on stage it was to correct both the un directed arabs with their 360 idols and to get the Jews and Christians who had reveations now corrupted; called the Bible to follow True Guidance and the only path under the final Messenger, Prophet (AS)



[Quote]QURAN 5: 46 -48 ( Version: Sahih International)
46 And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous.[/Quote]Their (Adam, Enoch, Abraham, Lot, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, etc, Moses, Aaron, etc (Prophets AS)) footsteps, which jesus was sent, by his Lord Allah. Jesus didnt send himself so dont forget that. THe righteous that Jesus was in guidance of were those who followed his authentic Gospel, before corruption entered it, and made into what became the Bible today with other materials. A person who sincerely follows Jesus today will examine Islam as he comes to recognize it, knowing full well that Jesus mentioned a "another Comforter" and it would have been unreasonable to imagine that such a person to correct will come so soon in the lives of the disciples unless they have fouled up the teaching of jesus so soon. is that possible and what was it that they fouled up?



[Quote]47 And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.[/Quote]One time I asked a seasoned person, is Jesus God? The response was No. I asked a follow up; is Jesus son of God? The answer was No. So I asked why are you a christian? Later the person converted to Islam.When a person looked at the Gospel and see Jesus saying he was powerless and that he was a servant sent by God, then a sound mind shall turn to why shall a person who is claimed to be God say he is a servant and powerless? This is enough for one to judge oneself and walk into Islam. If you do not walk away then at least you are a defiantly in disobedience.



[Quote]48 And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ.[/Quote]Criterion over it is to say it is rule of right and wrong over it. What Quran agrees with even in a generic sense is correct like God is One. What Quran disagrees with even in a generic sense is incorrect like three are 3 entities in 1 God. A person will look at this and say Islam does not force its order on anyone, but direct to the truth. Let me go to the Truth, instead of dealing with One God in one instance and then 2 entities in One God in another instance.



[Quote]. . . . and that the 'Books' were already with the Jews and the Christians (as at the time of Mohammed and the writing of the Quran)[/Quote]And the Quran continually said it was corrupt and should be left alone, except those who are wanting to remain astray.



[Quote]QURAN 4: 47 (Version: Muhsin Khan)
O you who have been given the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Believe in what We have revealed (to Muhammad SAW) confirming what is (already) with you , before We efface faces (by making them like the back of necks; without nose, mouth, eyes, etc.) and turn them hindwards, or curse them as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers. And the Commandment of Allah is always executed.[/Quote]Let me now ask you, if a person believes whats with Muhammad (AS), from the above, shall he or she remain a christian or a jew, since Allah says about "EFFACE" or "CURSE" those who had been wrong doers before? Remember the sabbath breakers are mentioned here? Read it again and reflect upon it.



[Quote]I did not find anything in the Quran that says that that the 'Torah and Gospel' that the Quran refers to as what 'God will judge the people of the Book by' and that which 'was already with them' have been corrupted.[/Quote]Even your Bible says tat Jesus said the Taurah had been corrupted by the pen of the scribes. Is that not corruption enough? Who knows what was correct anymore of the Torah according to Jesus who said they only dealt with the text and not the essence? Allah says in Surah Al Maidah about the Christians; Do not say that Allah is 1 of the 3. Further He states that Jesus was not more than an apostle of God and He provides reflections about him and his mother of their humanness. Finally, Allah says that Jesus will be put forward to declare to man before Allah on the day of Judgment that he never claimed to be God and never asked anyone to worship him. If these are not signs of corruption then I dont know what they are in your eyes? Allah sad that woe to those who use their hands to write falsehood and or changing the Words of Allah from their places, etc and say these are from Allah. Allah says that He will Protect the Quran from any corruption.



[Quote]1. Have you got any scriptural proof that the 'Torah and Gospel' as referred to above as being valid before God WERE DISAPPROVED BY MOHAMMED? Please provide them. I will prefer proof from the Quran over proof from an Hadith given the number of times Muslims have told us of the unreliabilty of certain Hadiths on NL![/Quote]First the Quran is not Muhammad's words, but Allah's on Muhammad (AS). If you want anything said by Muhammad himself, you will have to go to HAdith, but must always agree with the Quran. Just because some Hadith are unreliable, it is because they do disagree with the Quran and of course against the personality of Muhammad (AS) and the chain is always weak. Torah had to be valid during the time of Moses, thats for sure. jesus said it was tampered with by the scribes. Injil must have to be valid in the time of Jesus son of Mary, without any question. We see that Paul and others made him God when he said he was a servant of God. Do the math. You can even argue this out in your own Bible. Using the Quran more than we have already, is an overkill, really.



[Quote]2. Please provide Quranic proof that the Torah and Gospel (that God will judge Jews and Christians by) as referred to in the scripture above was the 'corrupted' ones, or provide Quranic proof to show that the scripture refers to the 'uncorrupted' ones.[/Quote]Allah has stated what he has stated. If in Yoruba land we say God Will judge, two things should come to mind; either one is the wrong doer or it is the other person. In this case Allah is saying to His Messenger that He will judge between the Messenger along with his party, followers and the others; Jews and Christians who had previous revelations. Is it not clear that Allah will not send a Messenger on ground and gives him misguidance, against a previous revelation that he must correct, inviting the adherents to come to him? The weapon of each Messenger (AS) was always the Truth. They cant be on the wrong path while they were delivering the message.



[QUote]3. Please provide proof, Quranic (and Historical outside the Quran, if available) that the contents of the 'corrupted' books SIGNIFICANTLY distort the message of the original books, and cite instances from the ORIGINALS in comparison with the CORRUPTED.[/Quote]Tell me between these two verses of the Bible, which one is correct and the other must be a distortion: The answer or your choice tells you what you seek.

1). Jesus said "I am a servant sent by God"
2). Jesus said "I am God".



[Quote]4. Please, also provide Quranic (and Historical outside the Quran, if available) that the 'corruption of the originals' ONLY as you have found and provided in answer to Q3 above are to the extent that adherents of the books abide by rules that cause them to live contrary God's commandments, and cite instances from the ORIGINALS in comparison with the CORRUPTED.[/Quote]If God is 1 why shall He be 1 of the 3; let me list them for you; Jesus is #1, Ghost is #2 and Father is #3? Is 1 not different from 3?



[Quote]5. Please provide proof (Quranic) as to whether the 'Books' had been corrupted AS AT THE TIME the 'revelation of the Quran' was given to Mohammed or the 'writing of the Quran' OR that they were corrupted AFTER the 'revelation' and 'writing' of the Quran.[/Quote]Listen if Muhammad's time is followed, we realize that there were different sects and Bibles and even false claims in the Bible of that time; Trinity was already established and your people already condemned Ishmael then. You never corrected any of these, rather you exaggerated in deviance, and of course the KJV was born. Either way the Truth is in the Quran.



[Quote]PLEASE REMEMBER TO AVOID as much as possible ANY DODGY HADITHS THAT CONTRADICT THE QURAN in answering the above. Proof outside the Quran should preferably be REFERENCED so as to allow participants and spectators to be able to examine the contents and the credibility of the originators.

Thanks in advance.[/Quote]Your Bible is enough to be used against the Bible itself.

@Seyibrown: « #270 on: Yesterday at 01:10:27 AM »
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If all the diplomacy argument is your classification of him, please know that every Messenger and or Prophet (AS), 124000 of them starting from Adam to Muhammad (AS) carry the same exact quality. Then they were all God with us, though they were not so called, and neither was jesus.

You miss the point! All that the TRUE PROPHETS had were 'ordinary passports', hence their inability to claim to be 'physical representations of God', and they did not claim so! Jesus ALONE held a 'diplomatic passport' that allowed him to present himself as and be recognized as 'the physical representation of God'. He carried out the 'assignments' of God because the 'authority and power' of God was vested in him! God confirmed that ministry with evidence (The Holy Spirit) that continues to live in heart of those who believe today! Grin [b]Allel[/b]uia![/Quote]look at the second bold and peel out Yahweh, or Jehovah, or Adonia, or, or, or for me. Its not there. Yes?
I bet I can show you Allah, easily from it. I can also show you Eloi, if I make A be E, and remove a L, and the other A for O and the H for I. You see A and E, and I and H between are interchangeable in many cultures of the world. I have seem Al Karim, written as El Kareem. So ELoi that Jesus said is actually Allah in his syriac semitic language of Arabic semitic Language.
Now about the first bold "recognized" as you have used it, Moses was regognized as the Mouth Piece of God in front of authority and notable and the masses during his time, longer than the whole lifetime of Jesus; THe Authority was Pharaoh and his court. The Notable was prophet Aaron and the leadership of Israel. And the masses, were the full 12 nations of the children of Israel on one hand and the Egyptians on the other hand. Tell me which authority and or notable and the masses that "recognized" what you claimed for Jesus? Which king did recognized him? Jesus was a failure since he did not triumph in his mission. Let me show you why; Like Jesus the leadership of Makka refused to recognized the Prophethood of Muhammad (AS) during the agreement of Udabiya. They said he would be recorded in it as simply Muhammad son of Abdallah, that if they actually believed his Messengership, from Allah the Almighty (remember that these were Pagans themselves. They didnt say anything about any of their own idols, but Allah the Creator which every society recognized exists), they would not be opposing him. Though, this was their own lie as they proclaimed it publically, but knowing in their individual mind that this man from among them, was a true Messenger, so much so that they continue to trust him by keeping with him their valuables for safekeeping like Brink Security of today. Muhammad (AS) did not waiver. And there was no place that anyone or people asked him of his position that he didnt say that he was a Messenger of God. Muhammad later on became victorious over this Makkans, without a single Arrow thrown. And in victory destroyed all the idols stock piled around Kaaba and its vicinity, including Hubal, and the three that the christians never get tired of being excited about wen they mention them in their argument against Isam; they were all destroyed, without any reservation. Maybe this is the being "made victory with awe"?
Now tell me about Jesus being recognized. I want it from Jesus. Not what others after his ordeal and his being lifted up to heaven claimed for him. Let Jesus defend his own position, otherwise I am the king of Cricket game; yet i dont know anything about this game.



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If thats your belief. How can evil doers, as a group remain favored by Just and Merciful God? If Israel who killed your god is favored still by God, is that not injustice to your god who got killed, and double injustice to the Egyptians that harbored he and his parents since the sin of few pharaoh knocked them out of the box of favor which they enjoyed before Moses, specifically during before and a little after Joseph?They were still none Muslims then, though few believed in One God, but majority looked at their Kings as you christians look at Jesus.

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And you asked if I was saying that Christians still believe that Jews are the chosen people and that belief is wrong? My answer is that such a belief is completely wrong since the jews are off the track of right guidance.

Quranic verse providing the criterion of right guidance:


Surah Maidah; Verses 12 to 15 are exactly what i need to give you.

5:12: Indeed Allah took the covenant from the Children of Israel (Jews), and We appointed twelve leaders among them. And Allah said: "I am with you if you perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat) and give Zakat and believe in My Messengers; honour and assist them, and lend to Allah a good loan. Verily, I will remit your sins and admit you to Gardens under which rivers flow (in Paradise). But if any of you after this, disbelieved, he has indeed gone astray from the Straight Path."

5:13: So because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard. They change the words from their (right) places and have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. And you will not cease to discover deceit in them, except a few of them. But forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds). Verily, Allah loves Al-Muhsinun (good-doers - see V.2:112).

5:14: And from those who call themselves Christians, We took their covenant, but they have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. So We planted amongst them enmity and hatred till the Day of Resurrection (when they discarded Allah's Book, disobeyed Allah's Messengers and His Orders and transgressed beyond bounds in Allah's disobedience), and Allah will inform them of what they used to do.

5:15: O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Now has come to you Our Messenger (Muhammad SAW) explaining to you much of that which you used to hide from the Scripture and passing over (i.e. leaving out without explaining) much. Indeed, there has come to you from Allah a light (Prophet Muhammad SAW ) and a plain Book (this Quran).

We are sinners and are therefore not in a position to put ourselves in the place of God in judgment.[/Quote]I quoted Quran you complained that am making Judgments. Allah is the Speaker. And He speaks the Truth; He creates and He Knows who is naughty or nice.



[Quote]Jesus - that you love to quote so much Grin -[/Quote]Jesus in the Bible, I will not quote unless I am pointing out something to a christian. My Quran is enough in all other situations. If I were dealing with a Jew i will go to Moses. Otherwise my Quran is enough in all other situations. The same way with others people who are not Muslims, except the full blown idolaters and denials; Hindu, atheists, etc.



[Quote]says not to condemn because the same measure we use for others will be used for us.[/Quote]Since the Bible is not my criterion, but for you and jesus. I have the following observations; For Jesus when he called people fools, vipers, adulterous, even dogs, what is the consequence of each of them, based on your statement? When you christians, with leadership of Paul say off the cuff, or off the wall things like all knees shall bow, or calling us Infidels in Titus, and saying that our refusal to accept Trinity or be bath in 2000 plus old blood, while we are not idolaters, and even saying that our not accepting human as God are misguidance, what do you think God Almighty will do to you?



[Quote]It means that if you judge that someone is worthy of death for committing A SIN, God will use the same measure for you for YOUR SIN too! SIN IS SIN; SIN IS UNHOLINESS BEFORE GOD AND ONLY THE BLOOD OF JESUS TAKES IT AWAY![/Quote]Seyi; the blood that couldnt even take away Jesus from the hands of Jews? What you have said is a big sin. Stop saying it and come to Islam of Adam, of Enouch, of Noah, Of Abraham, of Lot, of Ishmael, of Isaac, etc, finally of Jesus son of Mary and of Muhammad son of Abdullah (AS to each of the noble men).



[Quote] God always does what is right and he alone decides what punishment is due to a people who turn from him; It is not our place. ISLAM is only an envy and hatred of the the SALVATION OF GOD THAT CAME THROUGH JEWS (JESUS CHRIST);[/Quote] You must be a joker. not a joke. I see your ignorance. I have a silly christian leader who has been bombarding me with his silliness. His name is Ifalegan and is organization is Jesus Platform ministry. I have asked him the same question I have asked you guys on this board. At his age he will always end his writing with the same motto of falsification of making Jesus God. he reminds me many of you; I asked him about his proofs. None came. I said that Jesus himself said he was a servant. No response. I reminded him that his Bible said Jesus is powerless. he ignored it. He reminds me of a certain male here. I am trying to make him change his Ifa based name at least. You people are clowns. Its shameful though that with all the esoteric, there is no real substance. If some people were saved before Jesus and Jesus did say there is still a Comforter after him, it is very clear tome that Jesus is not the last vestige of Safety. But the Comforter is; Muhammad (AS).



[Quote]Remember the parable of the prodigal Son whose brother was unhappy that their father took him back after squandering his inheritance; Islam is like the brother of the prodigal Son who gets angry with his brother. Imagine that he moves out of the house AND DOES EVERYTHING DIFFERENTLY FROM HIS BROTHER JUST BECAUSE HE HATES AND DOES NOT WANT TO IDENTIFY WITH HIS BROTHER WHO HAS BEEN ACCEPTED BACK BY THEIR FATHER 'ON THE BASIS OF LOVE, GRACE AND MERCY' ONLY. HE ALSO TELLS EVERYBODY WHO CARES TO LISTEN THAT EVERYTHING THE FATHER HAD RESTORED TO THE PRODIGAL SON BELONGS TO HIM AND HE TRIES TO USE FORCE TO TAKE IT BACK. The prodigal brother could never undo the damage that he had done BY WORKS ALONE, it was only by the MERCY, LOVE AND GRACE OF THE FATHER THAT HE COULD ONCE AGAIN BE CALLED A SON!

The prodigal brother can not understand why the father has forgiven the prodigal brother who had treated the father so badly and disgraced the family name! The prodigal son who knows what it is like 'living outside of his father's love and grace' stays close to the father and learns from the father but his 'once perfect' brother moves further and further away from the 'love and grace of their father' just because he is angry with and envious of his 'once lost' brother, AND THE ENEMY OF THEIR FATHER SEIZES THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE 'THE ONCE PERFECT' continually against HIS FATHER'S HOUSE!

Don't let your followership of an envy and hatred of the of the Jews rob you of heaven! Let God alone judge the Jews for any unbelief and turning away from him! Take off the 'scales of envy and hatred' from your eyes so that you can see and understand the love of the father! He doesn't want any of his Sons to live outside of his love, mercy and grace![/Quote]It is the jews, indeedthe larger Children of Israel and their cohorts who belittle the son of Abraham; Ismail (AS). They deceitfully snatched off his place by writing, while Allah Who created him maintains it. Ismail was the son who was circumcised along with his father. You accused his father of illegal sexual act which is a sinful thing for you and yours to say against a friend of God, while Joseph his great grandson knew that it is a sin, while you can not tell us when it became a law for Joseph while it was a thing to relish in for Ibrahim, though we know that no one practiced such a horror and was not sinful before or during his time. Lot was his contemporary who didnt favor any sexual deviance.
Jews, indeed the larger Children of Israel said Ismail would be a wildass; the Jewish God missed the mark because this son of Ibrahim (AS) did not hurt a fly. Who is the prodigal son here, if you ask me; Arabs who in long run through the Messengership of Muhammad (AS) received guidance away from 360 idols and trust in the Unseen Creator. I am from this group as a Muslim, forget my yoruba origin.



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Jesus said in Luke 2 verse 46 that the false pen of the Scribes. . . . (talking about the books and their laws in place before he arrived to preach the Gospel, he was given to preach. Notice that I said, he was given gospel to preach, a commandment on him by his Master God Almighty Who sent him. Why would a prophet be sent if everything about the book for guidance is in order, perfectly preserved? Imagine 1400 years plus now since Quran was revealed to Muhammad (AS), no prophet with a book that is separate like Quran is to the Bible but not a copycat from what was already on the ground like the Mormon or Jehovah's witness, or the Seven Day Adventist, etc is to the Bible of the Protestant, which was a copycat from the Bible of the Catholic, has emerged. Muhammad (AS), said no prophet and religion shall come from God after him. What we found therefore are cults.

Scribes: www.bible-history.com/faussets/S/Scribes/ - Cached - Similar.
Copheerim, from caaphar to "write," "order," and "count." (See LAWYER.) The function was military in Judges 5:14 (See SCEPTRE), also in Jeremiah 52:25; Isaiah 33:18. Two scribes in Assyrian monuments write down the various objects, the heads of the slain, prisoners, cattle, etc. The scribe or "royal secretary" under David and Solomon (2 Samuel 8:17; 2 Samuel 20:25; 1 Kings 4:3) ranks with the high priest and the captain of the host (compare 2 Kings 12:10). Hezekiah's scribe transcribed old records and oral traditions, in the case of Proverbs 25-29, under inspiration of God. Henceforth, the term designates not a king's officer but "students and interpreters of the law". Jeremiah 8:8 in KJV means "the pen of transcribers is (i.e. multiplies copies) in vain." But Maurer, "the false pen of the scribes (persons skilled in expounding) has converted it (the law) into a lie," namely, by false interpretations.

The Holy Spirit and 'the word of God' [/Quote]Since each is a fully function God, you have at least 2 Gods here which makes you a multiple Gods worshiper. You are not different from the hindus in Britain by the way of India.



[Quote]exposes the falsehood (satanic and fleshly scriptures) to the children of God. We can clearly see it! What is false is whatever 'the word of God' and the 'Spirit of God' does not confirm![/Quote]"does" is wrong here. "do" is appropriate with the use of conjunction "and". Your father is in Nigeria. He is the husband of your mom, just like your husband is to you who is the father of your children. Allah coins a similitude; If there has been more than 1 God, each God will be independently or in joint relationship try to undermine the True 1 God. If Jesus was a God, he would not have said he was powerless and it is God Who is Most Powerful, or he was a servant and it is God WHo is the Master, or bow to the Will of God over his own will, or cried out to The True God. Think about it, Seyibrown.



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Revelation as in Book; Taurah of Musa, Sabur of Daud, Injil of Isa bin Maryam, Quran of Muhammad (AS to each of them). All prophets were men, Muslims sent by Allah (SWT)?

I don't know what you mean by 'Revelation as in Book. Do you mean a revelation that is penned down in a book or the Book of Revelations (last in the Bible)?[/Quote]Read clearly; Before Jesus, God revealed Torah to Musa (AS). That was a Revelation. Before Jesus, God revealed Sabur to David. That was a Revelation. The to Jesus God gave Injil. That was a Revelation. Which Prophet did God reveal the Bible to? Then finally God revealed Quran to Muhammad to end all Revelation.



[Quote]A thorough search of History will tell you that Islam was not in the picture at all during Jesus' Ministry![/Quote]A thorough search will also tell you that Christianity was not in the picture during Moses. A thorough search shall also tell you that Judaism was not even in the picture during the time of Moses and defintely during the time of Joseph, or Jacob, or Isaac, or Abraham, or Noah, all the way to Adam.



[Quote]You believe that in the Torah of Moses but you refuse to let go of laws and practices that go against the direct commandment of God that he himself wrote on stone and gave it to Moses - THE TEN COMMANDMENTS! Does the Quran teach the TEN COMMANDMENTS? Are you not certain that the Quran is not a work of 'THE PEN OF THE SCRIBES' that Jesus warned of, as you mentioned earlier? [b]Saying that Moses, David and Jesus were Muslims [/b]is like saying that Moses, David and Abraham were Christians; anyone who believes either is believing in a lie that originates from Satan![/Quote]While the bold is true, disbelieving it is without foundation. Allah says the path laid out for man is a straight way. He also said you will not see a change in the way of God. It is ignorance to assume that God will send Adam (AS) and his wife out of the garden to the world without any guidance to constantly receive His Favor. That Guidance is a set of rules guiding on to a path of righteousness, away from the deceit further of satan, making the lies of satan known to his children, and children in generations while he was their leader on earth. One of the deviants from that true guidance who followed the step of satan was from the children of Adam, Cain by killing his brother. That was an act. Now tell me what act of deviance you found in Ishmael?
Incidentally, christians bear cain, the killer, while no muslim bears this name. If ishmael was a wildass, Christians never avoided him; they bear the name, yet none of them bear Judas Iscariot, while the jews bear this very name. Go figure.
Jesus was not a christian and only an ethnic Jew; children of Israel as they began to be called, and never practiced judaism as the Jews practice it now, but practiced Islam as it was given to him; having a singular core message from Adam to now; Laa ilaha ilaAllah (and each prophet of his time is the prophet of Allah; the reason Jesus bowed to the Will of his God).



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Fabrication; In the Beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God and the word became Flesh. All things were created by him, through him, for him. Consider that the word {Let there be light} was not spoken until many things were created, God didnt need jesus for nothing (Anything because the man who is a stickler for excellence, even though he (alexis) lacked it willl seize on my slip). Jesus was not the Word (A Tool of Command of God).

False verse: Jesus says I am God. Why did he pray to THE GOD? Why should God be Praying to God?

Weak Verse: If you have seen me, you have seen God. Is God in his dimension and why among others proof against this idea did he cry out "my God, my God,. . . .? Would you not have expected myself, or my partner instead?

You say the above because you lack understanding of 'the word of God'. You believe that Jesus said that he is a servant of God but you refuse to believe that he said anyone who has seen him has seen the father.[/Quote]I know what the Understanding of the Word of God is; Command as in Be. So it Be (Kun. Fa ye Kun). Look a son cant be a servant to the world. When you accuse God of siring a son, you made him like your husband, and you make Mary mother of Jesus to God like you to your husband, since there was the overshadowing and coming upon. Yet, the catholic priests at least on paper refused to marry so that they can work for God 100%. Are they morally better than the God of the Jews Who is their specific tribal father, and or the God of the christians who is the father of jesus the begotten, and who by this strange belief the father of all christians? They must be, at least those who protect their private part among them. Not the like of the one having sex with the wife of the husband who video taped them in some spanish country. Go see it in one of the threads of Rhino. 4dm (sorry if I am wrong on the id).



[Quote]Sweetnecta, On a serious note, Why don't you fast for one day, just one day, and sincerely ask God to show you who he his? Tell him you do not want to miss heaven on account of any misconception of his word. Please, I beg you. Try it! 'A relationship with God is never inherited; each individual has to 'find' him personally. If you do not search for him, you will not find him! Cry out to your heavenly father today, Sweetnecta! Wherein does your assurance of heaven lie? In deeds that can never compensate for your wrong-doings? Or in the grace of God that is available to all men through Christ Jesus? Come out from under the Law that condemns you; come to the Spirit of grace that gives you life![/Quote]I am not a one that boasts. The muslim just finished a 9 day fast the other week. We fast Mondays and Thursdays of every week, and even the first 3 days of new moon and the 3 days of the full moon. I dont observe it always, so you are not telling me to do something that is out of norm. However you should advise yourself to this first since there are 3 gods in your life, one dead eve for a minute according to you. I have christans in my life and some are fast becoming Muslims. Miracles happen in my life frequently, including last month; a person was declared dead in Nigeria, from a first class Medical center, with a frantic phone call from the staff because they needed her husband to know. By Allah she is alive now, returning to me InshaAllah on the January 2, 2011. The friday before it, I fell and the only place that didnt smack the hard surface is my head, with the eye that has just been restored? Allah protected my head that makes prostration in humbleness and my lips and tongue that praise Him. is there a God but Allah, Alone? While you are running to cover yourself with blood, I simply say; Laa ila ha Ila Allah. Subhannallah. Alhandulillah. Allahu Akbar. Wa laa Ullah wa Laa Quwata ila bi Aliyu Al Azzim. Astaghafirullah. Ni ile Yoruba won ani Owo eni ni a fi ntu oro ara eni see. Allah has given me a road map to Success. There is no veil between He and I. I do not have to have a patron or an intercessor between He and I. When the Road is plain enough why create any stumbling block?



[Quote]JESUS CALLS TO YOUR 'LAZARUS' TODAY, "COME FORTH"! HEARKEN TODAY! DON'T REMAIN IN THAT TOMB! LOOSEN THYSELF FROM THAT WHICH BINDS THEE IN DEATH, BY THE POWER THAT IS 'THE WORD OF GOD' (JESUS)! ; FOR THE WORDS HE SPEAKS TO YOU ARE 'SPIRIT AND LIFE'! LAZARUS, COME FORTH! LAZARUS, RESPOND TO HIS VOICE![/Quote]And Muhammad (AS) called to your Umar, today. Dont be Umar abu Sham (Abu Jahal), but be Umar bin Al Khattab. Accept Islam and be elevated and receive Mercy of your Creator. If you refuse, at least bear witness that I am a Muslim; and I do not worship created with The Creator.

Let the case rest. The gavel shall now drop on *666*.

@Aletheia: « #35 on: Today at 02:00:48 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 09:56:00 PM
You are still fornicating, probably. At least 10 years ago, you were a fornicator. Just because you are married, you may not be clean from Biblical qualification of who is a sexual deviant; a glance is all it takes. You are done. A hard religion where a mere intention is counted as a full blown sin, in the heart of aletheia.

Yeah, carry on with your slander: seeing as you are obsessed with aletheia---always finding a way to drop my name in your posts. [/Quote]Your young age must be working you hard. Why will I be obsessed with you? Do you have anything of importance that I need to get and you are the only provider? Dont be silly.



[Quote]You know nothing about me but yet you confidently said I was Yoruba[/Quote]You wrote Yoruba word, trying to impress me with your understanding of it. You wrote Johannu, instead of Joonu for John, which I immediately said you are wrong about.



[Quote]and currently living in Nigeria (completely off-target)[/Quote]Yo said you were raised in Lagos and your wife and parents are there, being a doctor for some time, it is safe to argue that you live in Nigeria. If you dont live there just say so. As much as I am obsessed with you, in your mind, I dont even care to check your profile: what am obsession!



[Quote]and now you confidently and also falsely accuse me of still fornicating and of fornicating 10 years ago.[/Quote]Well if you do not live in Nigeria and i'm sure where you are, the women are now novelty to you. From your Bible, a mere glance at her makes you a fornicator, and you should pluck out your eyes, instead of the rest of your body going to hell with them. There is no grace in your religion. And quit complaining.



[Quote]Do you think a born-again Christian is like your sex-addled prophet?[/Quote]I'm sure that you are worse in moral code than Solomon who had 700 wives and 300 concubines on top of that. Certain that you have no favor before God as much as him. Now what? childlike thinking I say of your sudden rage.



[Quote]Again I ask you what does holiness mean to a Muslim? You know nothing about it, neither the holy and divine purpose and gospel that a Christian marriage is; which is why your only contribution to this thread is to come offering insults and slanderous innuendo.[/Quote]I know enough not to be a christian. I also know enough to challenge you to wager your idolatry faith on it, if you are sure so that i can unload on you, InshaAllah. All your nonsensical is annoying. Is the Bible the Control proof of revelation? The answer is no. Why? It was not revealed by God. Why are you saying this? There is no prophet the Bible is revealed on. Moses didnt receive the Bible. David didnt receive the Bible. Jesus didnt receive the Bible. No prophet and if anyone knows the name of the Prophet, I want him or her to put it forward, right here for us to read.



[Quote]"To the pure, all things are pure, but to the defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure; but both their minds and their consciences are defiled." Titus 1:15[/Quote]Only from illusion such an argument like this is put forward. Who was Titus? Was he a prophet? No. That settles his statement. You couldnt quote anything for certain from a prophet, aletheia? You have a terrible way of arguing, making it personal.



[Quote]Have you never wondered why a self-confessed satanist as Ogaga4luv is always quick to support your posts. You are both obviously identifying with your father---Satan whose stock in thread is slander and accusation! Seeing that your lies about Islam are being exposed; your next best strategy is to cast aspersion and slander.[/Quote]Ogaga can support my post. I dont know him to have done so. Big deal if he did. he and his master satan are my enemies. Just like you and your Trinity.



[Quote]You gave one of the titles of Gabriel as the Holy Spirit: All I have asked you is show me in the qur'an where it states that the Gabriel is the Holy Spirit. Try everyday, search it from beginning to end but until the day you die; you will never be able to use the qur'an to prove that Gabriel is the Holy Spirit---thereby exposing the hodgepodge that you call a religious book. And you are a hypocrite because on the other Jihad thread; you said any hadith that is not in agreement with the qur'an is a weak and false one; yet here you are relying on extra-qur'anic assertions. What a lying wonder you are![/Quote]You dont send an old man to provide information to support his claim, especially when you said he lied, already without expecting him to ask you to back up your challenge? I have the right to tell you that if you need more information from me, it will cost you plenty. Thats what I threw in the ring. Fish or cut bait. If you are matured enough to hold a conversation without turning it to enmity, why bother to challenge me on Islam. I have practiced it before you were conceived by your parents. And it has favored me. My life is wholesome; this year alone, many signs of Allah's Presence I have experienced. The last was the same of 2 mondays ago, confirming what the Quran said of not been killed or crucified situation of Jesus (AS).



[Quote]Quote from: aletheia on Yesterday at 10:07:02 AM
Or you think Christians treat marriage in such a foot-loose manner has you who prize divorcees above unmarried women, you who can divorce his wife at the drop of a hat, you who can have a temporary marriage of convenience if you desire, you who can give your six-year old daughter in marriage to a 52 year old man. . .
^I wrote this to which you responded by this:
Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 09:56:00 PM
All the three are your own statements, from your own desire. . .That settles your false claims.
^Really?[/Quote]Really. You cant know Islam as much as me.



[Quote]Do you think you are discussing with one of those who know little or nothing about Islam? Those that are deceived by your false mantra of "peace"? I have stated exactly what obtains in your religion of convenience that you call Islam.[/Quote]Convenience it is n your eye. Whichever country you reside in, the majority of the people conducting illegal sex are not muslims. They are probably christians, and the Jews, in the West probably are the string masters of the the puppets. There is no law in Christianity that prohibits illegal sex. Most people have argued that it is for the mere good of the self, and or the community as a whole. There is open sexual malady in mostly christian countries.
The Quran as the book of guidance, further explained or tutorial by the hadith and sunnah guides me away from such sexual adventures. This however doesnt mean we dont have muslims and even muslim societies indulging in it. But the law is already stated and established.



[Quote]Alright then: explain to us what these mean?
#1. Misyar marriage
#2. Zawag al-'urfi
#3. Mut'a marriage

I await your response before I post what these mean but of course you will embark on your usual diversionary tactics.[/Quote]Read my post above. Now tell me which one of them is advanced in the Quran or hadith? When you can tell me which of them, then I will give you a tutorial on your answer. Each one of them is made up by those whose hearts are diseased. Similar to your claims of Trinity, then of each being fully functioning God, one being son as well, and you also a son of God. Both of you are creating illusions to support your perversions.



[Quote]Your statement even exposes the demeaning attitude of Islam to women. In Christ there is neither man nor woman: all are equal.[/Quote]My wife or wives bear her or their father or fathers name/s still. Thats independece. Whats your wife's official name, still Mr. Aletheia? You are in a different country from where the mrs is. you are a doctor in front of the nurses. And we all know what drunkenness you are to them. Tell me if you have any reason to dip your chocolate in the liquid caramel? Jesus is looking down at you, though his blood already washed away your sin? But there is nothing saying his blood is keeping you away from sin, too, except your own morality? Talk to me aletheia about this abundance of water and you a fool is still thirsty around the nurses?

Islam commands the no sex on all of us, until marriage which is where all your sexual energy must be spent.



[Quote]Quote from: aletheia on Yesterday at 10:07:02 AM
. . .you who can give your six-year old daughter in marriage to a 52 year old man. . .
^^^
Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 09:56:00 PM
The age thing is just a by the way. Women love older men anyway.
^^What a loving father you are?!![/Quote]She beats being the jumping jack of the neighborhood boys between 5 to 15 years old. I am sure you will let your 6 years old to freak everyone on your street and the neighborhood, for free or collecting monies for it. I heard some do it in Edo, and the Muslim family are completely almost zero percent on daughters for fire scheme? Europe is a testimony to what I have said here. I didnt make it up.

@*666*: « #954 on: November 29, 2010, 09:14 AM »
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@sweetnecta to aliarstears:I have asked you to wager away your faith in Christianity so that I show you verse about RuhuQudus and others that Jibril (AS) is so named. You want proofs? Wager and stand behind it, if you have the gut, while you cant even provide a name for Holy GHOST in the Bible

Spirit has got no name. The holy spirit is God. God is an object of worship. God is a spirit and he is holy. That makes him the holy spirit.[/Quote]Based on the two bold, can you therefore say you only have a proper name for 1 of the 3 in the Trinity?

I am assuming that this is your statement, since you said "Spirit" does not have or should not have any PROPER name.
Aletheia, learn good lesson from your star triple six star brother.

Now son of Mary you say is one of the 3 in trinity and since he is at least with a hard body (human body) he has the PROPER name Jesus. He also has a title Messiah and identity in the Trilogy as son.

Now in the Trilogy the one Jesus described as being in heaven is the father. Please give me his PROPER name, while you must not forget that he is a SPIRIT.

Finally, in the trilogy the one Jesus described as being part of the 3 witnessing apart from Jesus and father is called Holy Spirit. Please give me his PROPER name, if you can give me the Proper Name of father, since both are SPIRITS and Jesus is the only one with a body, the reason he has a name.

Finally, if FATHER does not have a proper name because he is a spirit, since this is your argument, then what is Yahweh, Jehovah, Adonia, Elohim or finally the word Eloi that jesus mentioned when he decided to call on God, for real?


Folks, you will see the argument[s] of *666* on the many issues above. Confusion, I say. He will not be in honesty give a proper name of Father, but use Titles {the Lord, yahweh, or Jehovah, etc, each not being proper name but title}. If he does we should force him to give us the separate proper name of the holy spirit, since son of Mary has his own name; Jesus.

while a man is trying to identify it, Quran warned against it, in form of forbidding interest in business dealing over 1400 years, ago.


The Muslims in America within the american structure has the lowest debt and financially beholding to others, bar none. Thats even better positioned than the jews, with all their favoritism.

Islam at least without any question solve the problem as alluded to by the New Jersey Pastor.

Innocent until proven guilty. So I hope he will have his day[s] in court.

@Aletheia: « #32 on: Today at 10:07:02 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: aletheia on November 29, 2010, 12:04 AM
. . .until God graciously showed me that if I am truly a Christian then I should obey his commandments---and disobedience was not going to be an acceptable option to him.
^^
Quote from: Sweetnecta on November 30, 2010, 11:51 PM
@Aletheia: Lies breed in you. You are truly a reservoir of them.
The bold above is an indicator of how freaky you might have been.

The above cant exactly mean this here, as you responded to me, in your last post. You are the father of hypocrisy as you coyly practice you craft, again; cutting up and slicing down to hide the truth.

^^What a really stony heart you have. In your discourse with Christians have you not learnt anything? [/Quote]I'm grateful to my Creator Who has made my heart very STONY against your lies, you new age Pharaoh. And whats there to learn; 3 gods make 1 God? Stop Aletheia.



[Quote]But come to think of it: you are still struggling to tell me what Holiness means in Islam.[/Quote]I gave one of the titles of Jibril (AS) as holy spirit. You cant even give me a proper name of God, since Yahweh means The Lord. You have failed to tell me why Jesus suddenly say my God, my God, while you have been lying all over the place that he said he and God are 1 and also he is the son of the same God, forgetting that it is a complicated matter like a destined to fail relationship. Finally, you, sir, aletheia or maybe you want to be known as alicia has not given me proper name or title of the ghost you worship. Yet you are always quick to let us know that the son god has both a name, Jesus and title, messiah. Now I ask you here and now, whats the name of Yahweh, similar to messiah for Jesus, proper name? Try me, man. Give me title and name of the holy ghost, too. Now who is your God: Jesus son of Mary, or Holy Ghost, or Yahweh Whose Proper Name you dont know? If all of them are your Gods, you are an idolater, worshiping 3 gods. There was your source of sourcing out Trinity.



[Quote]Or you think when a Christian talks about disobedience it is only in the context of sexual sins: all sin is disobedience?[/Quote]You are still fornicating, probably. At least 10 years ago, you were a fornicator. Just because you are married, you may not be clean from Biblical qualification of who is a sexual deviant; a glance is all it takes. You are done. A hard religion where a mere intention is counted as a full blown sin, in the heart of aletheia.



[Quote]Or you think Christians treat marriage in such a foot-loose manner has you who prize divorcees above unmarried women, you who can divorce his wife at the drop of a hat, you who can have a temporary marriage of convenience if you desire, you who can give your six-year old daughter in marriage to a 52 year old man. . .[/Quote]All the three are your own statements, from your own desire. A religion that says women should be married and allows a divorced man or woman to have a go at it should be elevated over the one that says once you are divorced, if you are a woman, you are doomed, even a under 30! No wonder you cant follow that part of it. If I have a daughter who wants to be freaky with all the neighborhood boys, being their tool of experiencing sex, she is better of being married. The age thing is just a by the way. Women love older men anyway. That settles your false claims.



[Quote]Just go away, and stop being a nuisance because you are craving attention from Christians. In the first place this thread was not meant for your sort.[/QUote]You are arguing with malice now. I love the christians. I want them to have what I have already; the best. Islam.

@Usisky: [Quote][18:110] Say, "I am no more than a human like you, being inspired that your god is one god. Those who hope to meet their Lord shall work righteousness, and never worship any other god beside his Lord."

[41:6] Say, "I am no more than a human being like you, who has been inspired that your god is one god. You shall be devoted to Him, and ask His forgiveness. Woe to the idol worshipers.[/QUote]Neither of the two verses kick out authentic Sunnah and Hadith of the Prophet (AS). The mind based on the verses above should hurry one up to Muhammad (AS), as Allah says in the Quran "answer the Prophet when he calls you to what gives you life". A man who was sincere to reveal Surah Abasa, and other verses to us, whom Allah raised to the highest esteem should not be considered as a one whose actions and saying about religion he is sent to direct man as he himself demonstrated every aspect of it, as unworthy and untrusted to be followed.



[Quote]why does GOD use "GOD and the messenger"? well! as the messenger, the prophet cannot make mistakes, as he only relates the message that he has received from his LORD. therefore ,the messenger is representing GOD,as GOD HIMSELF did not convey the message to the people.hence,obeying the messenger(in the message) u are indirectly obeying GOD.cos GOD and the message(QURAN) are inseperable. that's why GOD uses "GOD and the messenger" instead of "GOD and muhammad".[/Quote]When he speaks as the messenger (AS) should you therefore ignore him because he is not speaking or reciting the Quran? when Allah says hurry to Muhammad when he calls you to what gives you life, are you saying it does not involve his sunnah and his hadith, whereas both words are found in the Quran (Allah's way, His Own Sunnah and Allah's Hadith, His Own Teaching)? How do we know how many rakah are in Salatul Subh except by Sunnah and Hadith?



[Quote]the muslims have been duped to believe that muahmmad left them with a source apart from the quran. ironically, even the hadiths states that the prophet forbade the writing of any of his personal sayings.[/Quote]Let me ask you to tell us how to make ghusul of Junub? Can I find it in the Quran, and if not do make it since it can ony be found in books of Hadith?



[Quote]popular questions by the adherents of hadith

*without hadith we can not understand the quran
*if u say the quran alone suffices,then show me how to observe sallat from quran.

what a pitty, how blasphemous can people Get. To say that the almighty,the cognizant,the supreme,the omnipotent,the omniscient GOD sent u an incomplete Scripture is a sad reflection of our understanding of GOD.Not when even GOD says it over and over in the QURAN, that it is all we need for our salvation,and consequently following other sources constitutes a disbelief in GOD and his messenger.[/Quote]I am not sure if the two questions are from you or you are partially answering one or not at all, but it is to be noted that if there are no single sunnah or hadith, everyone would have by their own desire arrives at his own Islam. Thank God that The Prophet who Alah revealed the Quran on was also the tutor who gave the tutorial of the Quran, so that his shahaba (RA) practiced what he himself practiced, followed what he himself said if he was not made to exempt it, leading the Sahaba. it was this process the next generation (ra) got from the Companions (RA), until it reached us, without a break in the generation link in the chain. Everyone can recognize an authentic hadith and sunnah because they agree with the Quran, having natural application that the heart and mind can agree on. islam is not some haphazard and un constituted way of life. You have a leader; Muhammad the Messenger (AS). Imitate his religious quality, except where he is the ony one given the specific ruling, eg having more than 4 wives in the same period of of marriage.



[QUote]the jews did the same after the death of moses. they fabricated the "mishnah and gemmarah" the equivalent of what the muslims call "hadith and sunna". likewise the christians.[/Quote]I see your position, now? Please give me the numbers of Rakah in Subh, and then throw in that of Isha, and how do you make your first wuhdhu if you are not wearing any foot covering? Do you just wipe your foot which is what the Quran says or you wash it, which is not in the Quran?



[Quote]i have endless things to say, but i will reserve them until dew.

sallaam.[/Quote]May Allah direct us all on the absolute path of Islam. Amin.

And you asked if I was saying that Christians still believe that Jews are the chosen people and that belief is wrong? My answer is that such a belief is completely wrong since the jews are off the track of right guidance.

Quranic verse providing the criterion of right guidance:


Surah Maidah; Verses 12 to 15 are exactly what i need to give you.

5:12: Indeed Allah took the covenant from the Children of Israel (Jews), and We appointed twelve leaders among them. And Allah said: "I am with you if you perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat) and give Zakat and believe in My Messengers; honour and assist them, and lend to Allah a good loan. Verily, I will remit your sins and admit you to Gardens under which rivers flow (in Paradise). But if any of you after this, disbelieved, he has indeed gone astray from the Straight Path."

5:13: So because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard. They change the words from their (right) places and have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. And you will not cease to discover deceit in them, except a few of them. But forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds). Verily, Allah loves Al-Muhsinun (good-doers - see V.2:112).

5:14: And from those who call themselves Christians, We took their covenant, but they have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. So We planted amongst them enmity and hatred till the Day of Resurrection (when they discarded Allah's Book, disobeyed Allah's Messengers and His Orders and transgressed beyond bounds in Allah's disobedience), and Allah will inform them of what they used to do.

5:15: O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Now has come to you Our Messenger (Muhammad SAW) explaining to you much of that which you used to hide from the Scripture and passing over (i.e. leaving out without explaining) much. Indeed, there has come to you from Allah a light (Prophet Muhammad SAW ) and a plain Book (this Quran).

dexmond and co turned God to the like of Odumegu Ojukwu and son[s] transportation, in the God and His son mantra.

na today?

2 gods now is better or equal to 1?


will hinduism not be the best religion therefore?


And the igbo muslims doing well in the east, and outside nigeria are mumus?


imagine the days of idolatry as the premier religion in igboland.

and the few who were christians will be viewed by the majority idolaters, the same way as the igbo muslims are being viewed by christian igbos.