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I agree with my dear brother Vedaxcool.

I know you are still editing. We will not go through "busyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" situation of cooking for the husband (hubby) and spend three weeks waiting. Let me kill this thought you have about God right away and answer another of your misgivens with a verse of the Quran.

@Seyibrown: « #267 on: Today at 04:39:36 PM »
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Q. Has anyone ever SEEN God? Scriptures such as John 1:18, Exodus 33:20, John 6:46 and 1John 4:12 say NO. Bible passages such as Genesis 32:30, Exodus 33:11, Isaiah 6:1 and Job 42:5 appear to say YES. Is this a contradiction in scripture?
(Submitted by: J. J. )
A. The quick answer is NO,. . . . . (Please read the complete presentation and see the magic of Christianity, even God has became 2, instead of Trinity (3), which I have argued with you ans Alexis, sorry Aletheia, since the ghost does not have a name, a title. Your response when you post it will come to bite you hard, since Jesus is servant of God, Who sent him.[/Quote]I'm sure you didnt bother to read the material. But thats okay, too.



[Quote]When I quoted the scripture of Jesus telling the Jews that 'he was before Abraham was', you stated that you too had been in existence before you were born but Jesus was only some 2000 years earlier than you. I agree with that but if I then go on to say that since we could not SEE you (the spirit sweetnecta) in the temporal realm you did not exist that would be a contradiction. THAT NO ONE SAW YOU IN 605 A.D (when you were existing in the spiritual realm only) DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU DID NOT EXIST AND IT ALSO DOES NOT STOP US FROM SEEING THE PHYSICAL REPRESENTATION OF YOU(THE SPIRIT SWEETNECTA) IN 2010 A.D (now that you exist in the physical realm). ALL WE HUMANS CAN SEE AND COMPREHEND IS THE PHYSICAL SWEETNECTA, not the spirit sweetnecta.[/Quote]What I said was that I was existing in the sae exact capacity that Jesus said he existed before Abraham. I further qualified myself as being in existence even before Noah was and ten the flood, long before Abraham. I finally diminished your taking that statement of Jesus to mean so much to point out to you that you should notice that he didnt say that he was in existence before his father, Adam, the source of all humans. Jesus never existed earlier tan me in the spiritual realm. That is what I was saying. My case is the same as the case of Jesus (AS), he existed physically some 2000 plus years ago. And before that he existed the same way I existed until I was born in the last century.



[Quote]1. Jacob saw and fought with an angel. He said he saw God. He saw and fought with a 'representation/manifestation of God'.[/Quote]How is a mere Angel of God now God? Angel is a servant, messenger, a tool of errant, a creation. God is the Master, The Sender, The Controller, The Creator.



[Quote]2. Moses saw the burning bush. He turned his face away because he was afraid to look at the 'manifestation/representation of God'.[/Quote]Representative is only that. Not the Original, not the Reality.



[Quote]3. Moses saw the glory of God and he had to cover his face with a veil because it was too bright for the Hebrews to look on. They were not capable of LOOKING AT THE GLORY OF GOD that was shining on Moses face![/Quote]Where did Moses see God? Glory could simply be the Light sent. Read Surah Araf; The Height and you will see what is meant by the light from God. Nothing on earth, that has ever existed on earth; Jesus o. Muhammad o. nothing can capture the essence of the Irresistible Master Allah The Almighty Who All Honors belong.



[Quote]HUMANS CANNOT SEE GOD; THEY CAN ONLY SEE 'A REPRESENTATION/MANIFESTATION OF GOD'. JESUS IS THE PHYSICAL MANIFESTATION/REPRESENTATION OF GOD. The OT does say that Man cannot see God but it DOES NOT SAY THAT MAN CANNOT SEE THE REPRESENTATION/MANIFESTATION OF GOD.[/Quote]Creation of God was Jesus. God Almight does not need to manifest and did not manifest as any of His creations.



[Quote]A ki i ri Omo Oba ka so wipe a o ri Oba![/Quote]Iya re a ya ba. Seyi, tani Olori Oba to bi Omo oba? Tabi omo ale ni omo oba eleyi? Omo ale ko nni ipin ni ogun Oba o. Tia ba ka eru inu eru aa ba je. Ole fi eru see omo Oba. Ama nbimo ni ro omo ni o ma shee eyin de eni. Oba Aiiku, Oba ti o ju Oba o ko ni kolo tabi idi lati fi bi omo. Oba ti ko nde Ade ni Oba Allah Tabaraka wa Tahala. Tooto fun. Mojuba E o. Mo fi Orimi bale Fun E. Iwo Olorun to dami saiye.



[Quote]The seal or sceptre of a King signifies the presence or authority of a King! Your Nigerian Passport bears the authority of the government Nigeria and allows officials of the 'Port' you are 'passing' through to recognise that you are 'from Nigeria' but a diplomatic passport says you are a 'representative of Nigeria' and you should be treated as representing Nigeria! The signs and wonders of Jesus' life and Ministry was his 'diplomatic passport' that showed he represented GOD that we cannot see! He is ‘GOD WITH US’; He is the manifestation/representation of God that we can see and we saw the GOD he represented in his life[/Quote]If all the diplomacy argument is your classification of him, please know that every Messenger and or Prophet (AS), 124000 of them starting from Adam to Muhammad (AS) carry the same exact quality. Then they were all God with us, though they were not so called, and neither was jesus.



[Quote]There is no contradiction on this matter; you only need to understand what is written. A few verses does not give you a full understanding of the word of God; THE HOLY SPIRIT DOES![/Quote]Maa ton mi. Maa je ko ton mi de ibi ti o ba wumi. Maa wa so fun Oloko pe mo fe bo sile nimu oko Ojee.

@Seyibrown: « #87 on: Yesterday at 11:39:50 PM »
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@Proo212: « #74 on: Yesterday at 06:08:59 PM »The bold is a classic and i'm grateful to God Almighty for it. While I'm lying, it is true that Quran says there is no compulsion in religion. It did not mention Islam or any religion for that matter. It further says in the very verse that truth has come and falsehood has no ability to continue. In another verse, Quran says that people who left Islam, becoming disbeliever, then decide to return into Islam, becoming beliver. Then after it becomes a disbeliever, again by leaving Islam. Then return to Islam, after it, and even then leave Islam, and then return to it again. This Allah Says after it, it may continue that it becomes a matter of joke or wimp, going in and coming out of Islam that Allah may not even accept their coming into Islam, since Only he Knows the heart.

If a man or people who say they are muslims then go out to kill a person who merely left Islam, is this an action enjoined on him or them by the Quran? If you turn to Hadith and say it is encouraged by it, then you will discover that it simply says those who leave their religion, without specifying Islam. Though I believe the Hadith is fabricated since it goes against Quran and not just explaining what the Quran says, but it did not say anything about Islam or other religion.

We can be sure that the Hadith is wrong or weak or fabricated, since it would mean that those who convert into Islam would therefore be killed.

Thanks for losing respect for me. By the way, when the croats, and others killed the muslims in Bosnia, and the Spanish Inquisition and the old Crusades of so many centuries ago, and even the crusade of president Bush, did you chalk that to Christianity? How about the Hindus killing the Muslims in Mombai?


sweetnecta,

Are you saying that the Quran does not say:
(a)to kill any one who converts from Islam (the religion of Allah) but instead says
(b) to kill anyone who converts from his religion; or that
(c) either or both a and b are only found in an Hadith (which is false when it contradicts the Quran)?

If 'b', please quote and link to the Quranic verse. If your answer is 'c', will you then agree that any Muslim who kills another Muslim who has converted to another religion has not followed the commanment of Allah, and is therefore a murderer?[/Quote]I am saying that the Quran does not say (a): kill anyone who converts from Islam (The Religion of Allah). I am also saying that the Quran does not say (b) kill anyone who converts from his/her own religion (christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Judaism, Taoism, etc). An I have finally said that only (b); kill anyone who converts fro his/her own religion can be found in Hadith. It is in this case that I said and I am saying now that since it simply states Religion, and also against Quran, it is a fabricated, weak and false hadith. If it has been a real hadith, all the converts, actually reverts from the inception of Muhammad's Islam should be killed. It will be agreeing with such a hadith, while at te same time disagreeing with the Quranic verses which it is supposed to explain.

It will be exactly like Paul who explained Jesus he never met, yet what he said opposes what Jesus says about himself. Can we say that person is explaining Jesus or rather a direct enemy of Jesus?

@Seyibrown: « #97 on: Today at 03:56:21 PM »
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Why don't you quote where it says all you saying, you that do not know your bible but instead you try ard to dodge at every junction: #
again you have not explain to us why Jesus made it his job to separate son from father, daughter from mother etc yet you in an attempt to quench fire you use spit rather than water, now that ain't wise.

Lazy vexdacool! Grin
Sweetnecta ended up muddling up the matter in post #86, hence my asking him to clarify. When he answers post #87, I will expect him to quote and prvide links, using the Quran and the Hadith to show us what exactly Islam says on the matter of whether to kill those who convert from Islam. He already admitted that something along the lines exist in the Quran and Hadith so it's him who needs to quote it to back up his assertions and prove that we are being misled by the false Hadith, not me! Grin[/Quote]You can grin all day long, it will not change the already established fact; Quran 2 verse 256
2:256 There is no compulsion in religion, for the right way is clearly from the wrong way. Whoever therefore rejects the forces of evil and believes in God, ,
www.themodernreligion.com/terror/terrorism_verses1.htm - Cached - Similar

also Quran 15:2-3 "Again and again will those who , Notice that the Quran says those who reject faith and then BELIEVE and , 3- So how come Muslim Fundamentalists execute those who desert Islam then? ,
www.answering-christianity.com/apostates.htm - Cached - Similar

Hadith (And what people of knowledge say about that specific hadith): "kill whoever changes his religion". But this hadith is open to varying interpretations on several grounds.

First, this hadith is considered a weak hadith with just a single isnad (this means there is only one chain of transmission or narration) and thus according to the rules of Islamic jurisprudence, it is not enough to validate the death penalty.

Second, this hadith is also considered a general ('amm) hadith in that it is in need of specification (takhsis); for it would otherwise convey a meaning that is not within its purpose. The obvious reading of the hadith would, for example, make liable the death punishment on a Hindu or Christian who converts to Islam. This is obviously not the intention of the hadith. According to the rules of Islamic jurisprudence, when a text is interpreted once, it becomes open to further interpretation and specification. Therefore, many scholars interpret this hadith to apply only to cases of high treason (hirabah), which means declaring war against Islam, the Prophet, or God or the legitimate leadership of the ummah.

Third, and most importantly, there is no evidence to show that Prophet Muhammad saw or his Companions ever compelled anyone to embrace Islam, nor did they sentence anyone to death solely for renunciation of the faith.

Based on these three reasons and the Qur'anic principle of freedom of religion, prominent ulama (scholars) from the seventh to the twentieth centuries have come out with the position that there can be no death penalty for apostasy. According to Professor Hashim Kamali in his award-winning book, Freedom of Expression in Islam, two leading jurists of the generation succeeding the Companions, Ibrahim al-Naka'I and Sufyan al-Thawri, both held that the apostate should be re-invited to Islam, but should never be condemned to death. The renowned Hanafi jurist, Shams al-Din al-Sarakhsi wrote that even though renunciation of faith is the greatest of offences, it is a matter between man and his Creator, and its punishment is postponed to the Day of Judgement. The Maliki jurist Abul Walid al-Baji and the renowned Hanbali jurist Ibn Taymiyyah have both held that apostasy is a sin which carries no hadd punishment.

In modern times, the celebrated Sheikh of al-Azhar University, the late Mahmud Shaltut who was esteemed for his vast knowledge of Islamic jurisprudence and Qur'anic interpretation, wrote that many ulama are in agreement that hudud cannot be established by a solitary hadith and that unbelief by itself does not call for the death penalty. The current Sheikh of al-Azhar, who was Egypt's former Grand Mufti, Dr Mohammed Sayed Tantawi, also declared that apostasy is not a capital crime.

Many scholars, including Ibn Taymiyyah, Shaltut and Tantawi, said that the death penalty was not meant to apply to a simple change of faith, but to hirabah, that is, when apostasy is accompanied by rebellion against the community and its legitimate leadership.

Extracts from
http://www.sistersinislam.org.my/letterstoeditors/22071999.htm



[Quote]I already addressed the father -son-mother-daughter separation in post #44 on page 2! If only you actually read and follow the posts on this thread! Grin [/Quote]Your explanation is from your own desire. It is similar to your desire that Jesus is God and that he bore your sin on himself. It is similar to your desire that there are Three Persons in One God, Trinity; Jesus, Yahweh and nameless ghost. It is similar to Alemuhandis saying he would have kidnapped you and make you his wife. These are mere desires and have no basis in reality. Reality, Seyi, live in it, not this fantasy.

And the Machete cutting into the bicep is simply the collapsed part that will like accordion retracts under some pressure.

In the days when Africa was oppressed, it these things were real, why did the oppressors had their ways with the people, the voodoo people were no spared of humiliation, including arrest, and even killing them just to proof them powerless, and that the masses could be held captives?

Even now, what benefit can the voodoo provide? If the man with the fake neck stab is confronted right there by any of us to the fact that we will believe it if only we can stab him ourselves with our own weapon, you will see the organizers and the man himself saying No, no. LOL> Am laughing in Efik.

@Seyibrown: « #265 on: November 25, 2010, 02:09 AM »
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Based on my understanding of the Bible; the OT colliding against the NT, and NT fighting against itself. God is stated as One and Unseen in OT. The NT started out that God is Unseen, One. But by the end we see that in the Person of Jesus, God became seen and killed and a Three parter.

Can you please provide me one or a few verses in the OT that states that God has never been seen and will never be seen in contrast to what is seen in the NT?[/Quote]www.biblestudy.org/, /has-anyone-actually-seen-god.html - Cached - Similar
Q. Has anyone ever SEEN God? Scriptures such as John 1:18, Exodus 33:20, John 6:46 and 1John 4:12 say NO. Bible passages such as Genesis 32:30, Exodus 33:11, Isaiah 6:1 and Job 42:5 appear to say YES. Is this a contradiction in scripture?
(Submitted by: J. J. )
A. The quick answer is NO,. . . . . (Please read the complete presentation and see the magic of Christianity, even God has became 2, instead of Trinity (3), which I have argued with you ans Alexis, sorry Aletheia, since the ghost does not have a name, a title. Your response when you post it will come to bite you hard, since Jesus is servant of God, Who sent him.



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If The Bible is the WORD of God, it should not contain anything but His Word. Hence, every Book in the Bible is corrupt. Definitely for your case, since you are a christian, the Gospels. Within each, it fights itself, and fighting other Gospels. 99.999999% pure is still corruption with 0.000001% too much. The Gospels is more corrupted that that.

Are you stating above that the gospels according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are in conflict? If yes, on which points specifically do they conflict?[/Quote]None of them is pure anyhow, so agreement between fraudsters should not be construed as honest, but lie which is what it al boiled down to. They all agreed that Jesus was son of God, while at the same time Jesus said he was a servant sent by God. Is your son your servant? Remember you argued against it in the past, so dont flip the script now. Conflicting with the truth is what is needed to show that they are in conflict, indeed. When a christian, and I use the word loosely is in conflict with Jesus, even if he agrees with Paul or any disciple, he is in conflict indeed. Was Judas Iscariot in conflict with Jesus? According to what Jesus said, he shouldnt, except that Jesus put him in the negative column, hence he was in conflict. Jesus said that he was a servant, that would be in conflict with Jesus said that he is God, or less son of God.



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Lets start from Acts to the end. None of them is a revelation given by God to a Prophet (AS). These books are similar to the history of the companions of the Messenger (AS). These life stories may contain some hadiths, and or even verses of Quran, yet, they are less than Hadith. Gospels are higher than Acts or Epistles, etc, even Revelations, you will agree. It is these Gospels, that are similar to Hadiths. Quran has no equal in Status. You remember we spoke about false or weak or fabricated hadiths? In the Gospels, you have fabrications, false and weak verses.

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Though corrupt, Taurah, Psalm, Gospel were from God. Laws from God are talking about God being 1, not Trinity. God deserving all Obedience, Worship, not Trinity or bowing or worshiping the worshiper, Jesus. Assumption that the Children of Israel shall remain chosen, comes rain or sunshine is false, because an evil doer cant remain favored always. He will fall from grace, proof therefore why Muhammad (AS) from the house of Ibrahim (AS), still was chosen to end all Messenger and Prophetic chain links. It only takes One BEST to keep the IDEA permanent.

In the above bolded, you are saying that the Taurah, Psalm and Gospels were given by God but they have been corrupted. Please give me specific examples 'corrupt elements' that were introduced into the books above; at least one specific example for each.[/Quote]Jesus said in [b]Luke 2 verse 46 that [/b]the false pen of the Scribes. . . . (talking about the books and their laws in place before he arrived to preach the Gospel, he was given to preach. Notice that I said, he was given gospel to preach, a commandment on him by his Master God Almighty Who sent him. Why would a prophet be sent if everything about the book for guidance is in order, perfectly preserved? Imagine 1400 years plus now since Quran was revealed to Muhammad (AS), no prophet with a book that is separate like Quran is to the Bible but not a copycat from what was already on the ground like the Mormon or Jehovah's witness, or the Seven Day Adventist, etc is to the Bible of the Protestant, which was a copycat from the Bible of the Catholic, has emerged. Muhammad (AS), said no prophet and religion shall come from God after him. What we found therefore are cults.

Scribes: www.bible-history.com/faussets/S/Scribes/ - Cached - Similar.
Copheerim, from caaphar to "write," "order," and "count." (See LAWYER.) The function was military in Judges 5:14 (See SCEPTRE), also in Jeremiah 52:25; Isaiah 33:18. Two scribes in Assyrian monuments write down the various objects, the heads of the slain, prisoners, cattle, etc. The scribe or "royal secretary" under David and Solomon (2 Samuel 8:17; 2 Samuel 20:25; 1 Kings 4:3) ranks with the high priest and the captain of the host (compare 2 Kings 12:10). Hezekiah's scribe transcribed old records and oral traditions, in the case of Proverbs 25-29, under inspiration of God. Henceforth, the term designates not a king's officer but "students and interpreters of the law". Jeremiah 8:8 in KJV means "the pen of transcribers is (i.e. multiplies copies) in vain." But Maurer, "the false pen of the scribes (persons skilled in expounding) has converted it (the law) into a lie," namely, by false interpretations.



[Quote]Please give me specific examples of fabrications, false and weak verses that you found in the Gospels.[/Quote]Fabrication; In the Beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God and the word became Flesh. All things were created by him, through him, for him. Consider that the word {Let there be light} was not spoken until many things were created, God didnt need jesus for nothing (Anything because the man who is a stickler for excellence, even though he (alexis) lacked it willl seize on my slip). Jesus was not the Word (A Tool of Command of God).

False verse: Jesus says I am God. Why did he pray to THE GOD? Why should God be Praying to God?

Weak Verse: If you have seen me, you have seen God. Is God in his dimension and why among others proof against this idea did he cry out "my God, my God,. . . .? Would you not have expected myself, or my partner instead?



[Quote]From your statement in the third quote, Are you saying that revelations are only given to prophets, and that anyone who is not a prophet but presents any revelation is a liar and his revelation false and not to be followed? Please clarify if I have wrongly interpreted your statement.[/Quote]Revelation as in Book; Taurah of Musa, Sabur of Daud, Injil of Isa bin Maryam, Quran of Muhammad (AS to each of them). All prophets were men, Muslims sent by Allah (SWT)/



[Quote]In the last quote, are you saying that Christians (based on the NT) falsely assume that Israel will remain chosen?[/Quote]If thats your belief. How can evil doers, as a group remain favored by Just and Merciful God? If Israel who killed your god is favored still by God, is that not injustice to your god who got killed, and double injustice to the Egyptians that harbored he and his parents since the sin of few pharaoh knocked them out of the box of favor which they enjoyed before Moses, specifically during before and a little after Joseph?They were still none Muslims then, though few believed in One God, but majority looked at their Kings as you christians look at Jesus.

@Aletheia: Lies breed in you. You are truly a reservoir of them.

[Quote]« #14 on: Yesterday at 12:04:13 AM »
^^No worries, my sister.
I once thought that marrying an unbeliever wasn't that big a deal until God graciously showed me that if I am truly a Christian then I should obey his commandments---and disobedience was not going to be an acceptable option to him.

He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. (John 14:21)

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Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry.

God's grace be with you.[/Quote]The bold above is an indicator of how freaky you might have been.

The above cant exactly mean this here, as you responded to me, in your last post. You are the father of hypocrisy as you coyly practice you craft, again; cutting up and slicing down to hide the truth.

[quote]I was wondering how long it would take you to appear on this thread. How does this statement:
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I once thought that marrying an unbeliever wasn't that big a deal[the rest of his post he diced them up sliced them down]
equate to "playing the field"? If you can't understand simple English is it any wonder the Arabic of the qur'an confuses you---or else you would have showed me the place in the qur'an where Gabriel is called Ruuh Qudus.

What a hypocrite you are![/Quote]

How about books?


Count it; Start from Acts of the Apostles. Then move forward to the end of the NT. That should satisfy you. And if you are greedy, ask yourself which one is not corrup between these two verses from Jesus? See below and help yourself.


Jesus said I and my father are 1.

or

Jesus said I am a servant sent by God.


Tell me which one is not corrupt in its meaning since they completely oppose each other?

If will be hard press to accept that your son will say he is your servant in reality, or your servant will say he is your son in reality. One of the two person must be a liar.


Is corruption not equal to lying? a corrupter is a liar.

@Seyibrown: Borrowing somebody's name as your own, or someone called you the name of somebody else, or mislabeled you as someone else, is not a ground for claiming the name for yourself.

If Jesus was the founder of a religion, he would have so named the religion while on earth. Neither Jesus nor Moses was a Jew by religion and Jesus was not a christian by religion either.

Neither of them practiced a religion other than what Abraham practiced. And Abraham practiced the same religion as Noah, who practiced the same religion as Enoch, who practiced the same religion as Adam and Eve, which allowed personal seeking of forgiveness and repentance from sin, directly fro God, without intermediary, or killing of a human being, definitely not even the one forced to hang.


Fake hanging I say.

@Proo212: « #74 on: Yesterday at 06:08:59 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 05:53:05 PM

I dont know. Am sure it is not in Islam, otherwise the chance of returning into Islam would not have been given, agreeing with there is no compulsion in religion. In either verse it didnt mention Islam, it is religion as a whole that is mentioned.


@Sweetnecta you lied through your teeth about not knowing where muslims are killed for turning against Islam Lying is a sin. Perhaps you can do 2 good deeds to balance out the lie. I have lost all respect for you. I know you are zealous about Islam but the fact is that you lied!!!

All you have to do is google it and you will find it.[/Quote]The bold is a classic and i'm grateful to God Almighty for it. While I'm lying, it is true that Quran says there is no compulsion in religion. It did not mention Islam or any religion for that matter. It further says in the very verse that truth has come and falsehood has no ability to continue. In another verse, Quran says that people who left Islam, becoming disbeliever, then decide to return into Islam, becoming beliver. Then after it becomes a disbeliever, again by leaving Islam. Then return to Islam, after it, and even then leave Islam, and then return to it again. This Allah Says after it, it may continue that it becomes a matter of joke or wimp, going in and coming out of Islam that Allah may not even accept their coming into Islam, since Only he Knows the heart.

If a man or people who say they are muslims then go out to kill a person who merely left Islam, is this an action enjoined on him or them by the Quran? If you turn to Hadith and say it is encouraged by it, then you will discover that it simply says those who leave their religion, without specifying Islam. Though I believe the Hadith is fabricated since it goes against Quran and not just explaining what the Quran says, but it did not say anything about Islam or other religion.

We can be sure that the Hadith is wrong or weak or fabricated, since it would mean that those who convert into Islam would therefore be killed.

Thanks for losing respect for me. By the way, when the croats, and others killed the muslims in Bosnia, and the Spanish Inquisition and the old Crusades of so many centuries ago, and even the crusade of president Bush, did you chalk that to Christianity? How about the Hindus killing the Muslims in Mombai?

I love it when the christians hold their pow wow. everyone talks about their God. I say gods. Three gods in fact:

Jesus the Messiah, son of Mary is god with the title god the son.

Yahweh the lord, is god with the title god the father.

(. . . . . . . ), is god with the title god the holy spirit.

I see why one of the three couldnt kill Moses when he tried to. It clear that you cant hold sway all the Power if you have co-partnership.

Very confusing though when god sent Moses an errant, which Moses was on his way to deliver, the same god was eager to kill him.

Undermining his own Message. Ridiculous. The writer of that part of the "Holy book" must not have had their head straight that time?

Maybe they were drunk with the terrible wine; the intoxicant to blurs the sense?

@Aletheia; you have been playing the field before you got married, eh? Good christan you. Shame on you. Bad boy. You know the bible doesnt forgive something like that. You are in trouble in the hand of yahweh, man. jesus cant help you in the issue of real fornication, darn fornicator you.

@OP: Surah Qamar (The Moon); Verse 1; The hour has come and the moon has been split.

Who split the Moon? Muhammad (AS).

Why? The Makkans asked him for it as a sign.

Even this event was seen as far as a region of india. The Indian king who saw it, soon became Muslim.

The Split had remain on the surface of the moon, though was brough together after it.

Maybe the West or some christian space traveler[s] (Astronaut[s]), should land and core into the moon as deep as it can to proof to the present day, whether or not the crack was not more than a surface deep.

This miracle is still present today. Unlike many if not all that other prophets performed, including your god, Jesus son of Mary. Tell me if his miracle survived till now? We have seen the picture of the crack on the moon surface.

dexmond, in my humble opinion, having three gods does not equal to a Supreme God. gods, cant be all of a sudden become One Supreme God. When jesus is god, so is holy ghost being another god and so is Yahweh being yet another god. In my calculation we have 3 gods in Trinity and this clear to me, if not to you.

If meekness is the quality of superiority of qualitative behavior and or personality, from the Bible John son of Zacharias is therefore superior to Jesus son of Mary, though you call him god! Imagine a mere John better than the abusive and money exchanger chasing Jesus your god?

From the Bible, we also see Moses who had a harder personality than Muhammad (AS) being the beloved of the Jews, the children of israel who hold the salvation of your life, according to Jesus. God spoke to Moses, hence you will see that your metering is not a good calibration.

But then Muhammad (AS) stands alone with his Lord God Allah, Who Measures everything Perfectly.

@Seyibrown; « #71 on: Today at 05:06:27 PM »
[Quote]sweetnecta and bashy_demy,
1.Is the killing of others because they belong or convert to another religion EVIL or GOOD?[/Quote]Evil action. Evil thought exist just as well, similar to the looking at opposite sex, as your Bible said it.


[Quote]2.In which countries is it LEGAL to KILL people for converting to or belonging to a different religion?[/Quote]I dont know. Am sure it is not in Islam, otherwise the chance of returning into Islam would not have been given, agreeing with there is no compulsion in religion. In either verse it didnt mention Islam, it is religion as a whole that is mentioned.


[Quote]3.Do you CONDEMN or SUPPORT the killing of others for belonging to or converting to another religion?[/Quote]I condemn it, just like I condemn the Serbs mass slaughtering of Muslim Croats in the 1990s that we have the slavic Melovitch in Hague's world court on trial for even now.

Could you give me the name of the Holy Spirit when you respond to me, since Jesus is son god and also Messiah? And Yahweh is father god and also Jehovah? What is holy ghost god; name and title please?

Sunni and Shia, both have Ali bin Abi Talib (RA) and Fatima binta Muhammad (RA), along with the Messenger(AS). And it is interesting that Allah Himself in Surah Azhab raised the status of the wives (RA) of the prophet as not being like other women and they will be rewarded for this position. Why do we argue as if Allah did not know the future, and therefore spoke in the Quran so precipitously, while the characters of these people truly came out after the death of the Messenger (AS)?

It is Allah we all worship, I suppose. I do not worship anyone else; not Muhammad and definitely no one in his family. They will be saddened by our current state of affairs, taking side with one against the other, especially when Ali who was never shy and would not have stood idly, allowing falsehood to fester, who have fought and get killed for struggling for truth?

Ali (RA) didnt fight Abu Bakr, or Umar bin Khattab or Uthman bin Affan (RAs). Let us borrow the good manners of Ali, whatever the reason he didnt fight, let us use that reason and wisdom to follow those who he followed, while we are following him.

I am certain that none of them is destined for hell fire. Let us not push ourselves to division and hate those who Allah expressed love for.

@Seyibrown: « #67 on: Today at 02:33:31 PM »
[Quote]Looks like uplawal has 'abandoned ship'.

I appreciate your honesty in not trying to come back and give a false summary of the scripture as laid out in post # 30! May the fear of the Almighty God bring you to true wisdom and lead you to salvation! God bless you! Amen!

JESUS NEVER TAUGHT HIS DISCIPLES/FOLLOWERS TO KILL THOSE WHO ARE NOT CHRISTIANS! Smiley[/Quote]Those he said should be killed were believers? The money changers he chased after were believers, doing the right thing when he chased them away? Imagine if he had a sword with him in the heat of the pursuit?

You dont have to kill before you show the tendency of a killer, you should look in the bible that says a mere glance of the opposite sex is 100% as if sexual intercourse took place already. Which is worse a one that has a weapon of war, after his boss said he brought war, telling him to buy the sword, even began to use it, first to chop off an ear, or the one who looked at a woman? If the look makes him guilty, the instructor and purchaser of the sword above shall be no less guilty.

Color what is worse better and blame the light, accidental glance as terrible.

@Chyz: « #45 on: Yesterday at 04:29:05 PM »
[Quote]I will answer all of these verses in a few words and verses. It seems as though the Quran is not enough for you so i will give you a verse from the Quran and a verse from the The Book( Allah explains that it is corrupted but still contains some of his words in it).

The Bible

Deuteronomy 4:1 "Israel, listen to the RULES AND LAWS I'M GOING TO TEACH YOU. FOLLOW THEM"

Deuteronomy 4:2 "DO NOT ADD to what I'm commanding you. DO NOT SUBTRACT FROM IT EITHER. Instead, OBEY THE COMMANDS OF THE LORD your GOD" that" I am giving you.


[b]The Qur'an

18 Kahf 27

"You shall recite what is revealed to you of YOUR LORD's SCRIPTURE. NOTHING SHALL ABROGATE HIS WORDS, and you SHALL NOT FIND ANY OTHER SOURCE BESIDE IT."



I understand the traditions of the hadith have become dear to you but do not associate it with Islam. If you want to do it on your own then that is by your own will but surely Allah did not give the hadiths and neither did The Prophet.

Holy Qur'an

9 Tauba 31

"They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords,* instead of GOD. Others deified the Messiah, son of Mary. They were all commanded to worship only one god. There is no god except He. Be He glorified, high above having any partners."

When The Prophet was given the Quran, the Jews and Christians rejected him and the Quran because they did not want to abandon their traditions. It gave them too much power in the worldly life.

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Uplawal- do not be a blind follower, hadith showed us that Aisha was a leader, people go to her to learn, even her father. .
I challenge u to show me the hadith that says women shouldn't go to school , shouldn't be educated, they should be discriminated, if you can't show me the hadith and its number for verification then is a shame. Am coming to show u raw verses in the Quran, i bet u will be dumbfound

Ironically, even their Hadiths forbid Hadith.

The Prophet said, "DO NOT write down anything from me EXCEPT THE QURAN." [Ahmed, Vol. 1, Page 171, and Sahih Muslim]

This Hadith states that the Prophet maintained his ANTI-HADITH STAND UNTIL DEATH. [Ahmed, Vol. 1, Page 192]

In fact, on the Day of Judgment, The Prophet will say…

Quran

25 Furqan 30

"AND on that Day the Apostle will say: “O my Sustainer! Behold, some of my people have come to regard this Qur’an as something that ought to be discarded!"
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@Chyz: I live in the United States and I know about Rashid Khalifah. If he is or was a muslim, Allah is the Knower of it. I will never take his writing seriously. This is a new age deviant, calculating numbers and discrediting the messenger.


@Uplawal: The quickest way to lose Islam is to listen to deviants.

May Allah help us from their tricks. Amin. Many will say they are muslims, but instead they come to seduce muslims away from Islam. I'm not accusing any one. I do not suspect anyone.

Many do pose as muslims, but they are not. By Allah, I'm a muslim, following Muhammad (AS) in the way of our Lord.


Khalifah, ignorantly said that Ibrahim [AS], is the first Muslim. What was Adam, or Idris or Nuh (AS). They were listed among the Prophets and muslims and Muminu.


I will not respond in this thread because I can see a deception in the works,similar to the british in precolonial India; they dressed up like muslims, and from afar, they will seize an animal, a cow and slaughter it in front of the hindus. The Hindus will run, chasing after them, who have disappeared before the Hindus get close, to actually know these were white Europeans and not their neighbors, the Indian Muslims.The hindus will go on rampage, against the muslims, fighting, hurting and killing them.

Are real muslims going to bring into the community of muslims, fitna of this type on the thread? No.
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Quote from: Abuzola ! on Yesterday at 08:03:11 PM
So Prophet muhammad copied the jahiliyah tradition ? SubhanAllah, the way he buried are all of jahiliyah tradition, anything outside the Quran that you do is jahiliyah tradition ? Inalilahi wa ina ilayi raji un, they don finish my sister o.

Concerning the inheritance you said Allah never said one share of a male equal two portion of the female go to Quran 4:11 'ALLAH commands you as regards your children's inheritance to the male, a portion equal that of two female,' so who is now lying aunty mi ?.


So the salat we pray which is not in the Quran was as well borrowed from the jahiliyah ? Oh then what about fatiha and tahiyyah ? Also from them ? Lol, i don laff tire today, too bad.

She is write these things were practiced way before The Prophet was known to be. It is not jahiliyah tradition she is talking about but practice that were in place even during the life of Prophet Ibraham.

The Book(Bible)

Deuteronomy 21:23

"the body must not remain hanging from the tree overnight. You must bury the body that same day, for anyone who is hung is cursed in the sight of God. In this way, you will prevent the defilement of the land the LORD your God is giving you as your special possession."


Mark 16: 1-3

When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus’ body. Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb and they asked each other, “Who will roll the stone away from the entrance of the tomb?”

^^^Practice of cleasing the dead body for burial.


And as far as the inheritance in Quran 4:11, it does not say that 2 women equal 1 man. That verse is based on portion of inheritance alone.
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Brother there is no book mightier than the Holy Quran. Everything is in it. No Torah, no Bible, nothing can come against it, and that is a fact. It DOES NOT contradict itself. Look at the Power of the Holy Quran. NO BOOK CAN COME AGAINST IT!

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@Uplawal: The Rashad Khalifa Cult Exposed.
Hadith #1: Rashad Khalifa - 20th century Hadithist? This article exposes the lies and false Sayings of Dr. Khalifa that he claimed were inspired by Allah ,
www.answering-christianity.com/rk_cult_exposed.htm - Cached - Similar


This man is a cult leader and hope Chyz is not suckering in anybody or himself, if he is truly a believer in Allah?
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@Uplawal: The Rashad Khalifa Cult Exposed.
Hadith #1: Rashad Khalifa - 20th century Hadithist? This article exposes the lies and false Sayings of Dr. Khalifa that he claimed were inspired by Allah ,
www.answering-christianity.com/rk_cult_exposed.htm - Cached - Similar


This man is a cult leader and hope Chyz is not suckering in anybody or himself, if he is truly a believer in Allah?

Would a book like this need a hadith to help you understand it? Look at the Superiority of this book alone.:

<a href="
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHInBbjgWQU</a>[/Quote]The bold speak volumes. If Quran was enough, I wonder why quoting the Bible to me? If Quran is enough and there is no reason for hadith, what is the need for reminder (Islamic Lectures), even the Khutbah of Friaday prayer? And Ironically you posted other works to explain the Quran to me: the Videos. And I wonder if you know that miracles that khalifa, covenant leader was trying to proof, as they were not obvious, he used his own method or explanation to bring them out. Now that he has proven them, are there proofs enhance the stature of the Quran, higher than before? If yes, then you are wrong because the highest cant go higher in the mind of human. If no, then whose word is purer, Khalifa's or that of Muhammad (AS)? And to answer your question about hadith to hep understand Quran, my answer is yes, because not everything in Islam is explain away, for even the average mind to fully understand it. For example if Muhammad (AS) had not said that the Alphabets as they are n the Quran, and about Ruhu (Soul), Only Allah know, you smart man leader Khaifa would have explained it to naive mind, getting them as Jim Johes of Jonestown, Guyana and or David Kuresh of the Branch Davidianof WacoTexas got many christians into their doom(s). I dont need a new age with new idea when the religion was complete on a noble soul (AS). The intension of Khalifa was to bring Judaism, Christianity and gulible muslims together and form a religion under Covenant idea. I think the guy with Chrislam in Nigeria is moving forward Khalifa's agenda.

I can now confidently say that Chyz in his current "MUZLIM" is not practicing the Islam brought by Muhammad (AS).


Chyz is in a cult, led by a slew deceitful egyptian, who lied even to many arab nations, and of course the gullible USA.

I pity Uplawal who quickly fell for the unIslamic mindset of Chyz.

Will a book like Quran need a hadith? Yes. Proof; the Quran itself.

1). Allah revealed it to a human whom, He Allah Loves.

He spoke about him so fondly, that it was not a surprise to me when He invited him to heavens in the Miraculous journey of Isra wa Miraj.

2). Allah says of Muhammad (AS), whatever he gives you, take and whatever he restricts you from, avoid.

How can I know about Allah from the QUran, except that I believe Allah made the correct choice of a prophet; honest, sincere, truthful and committed to his responsibility. Hence I was not surprised when he did not conceal Surah Abasa, and loved the blind man (RA) even more.

3). Allah says to us that we should haste to Muhammad (AS) when he calls us to what gives us life.

If this is the only verse that was revealed, it would have been sufficient for one to hurry to copy the lifestyle of Muhammad (AS), adequately correct even today, than to listen to rape accused pleaded no contest to the court, Dr of Agriculture Rashid Khalifa.

A). How do know how to declare shahadah if Muhammad didnt do it, taught it to his companions, who transferred it until it reached me?Khaifa in his lie was quoting the shahada of affirmation of Presence of God, where Allah says, He, His Angels and People of knowledge know well of Him. But he Khalifa never will use this as shahada, but will argue that Muhammad (AS) was irrelevant then and hence irrelevant today, on one hand, forgetting that Allah says "Muhammadanr Rasuullah". Then on the other hand, Khalifa will meekly say people should follow Muhammad, strictly in the QUran.

So how do you make Salatul Subh which is in the Quran, but no process, especially how many rakah it has?

If you discount his authentic hadith, which agrees with the Quran, has natural process, etc, why take Quran then?

Ironically, Khalifa was passing himself up as a Messenger of Allah! He was manufacturing hadith, similar to what is in the hadith of Muhammad (A)S that he was saying that people should not accept in the first place. For example he replaced Muhammad (AS) with himself, and apart from speaking the copied verbatim the hadith of Isra wa Miraj; the Isra part.

I believe many of the people who fell for him saw a well educated Egyptian, Arab who was able to fit the bill, since we here in the americas are new and dont speak the arabic language. He was a fraud and whoever is following him is worshiping him, just like those who are worshiping Ahlul Bayt.

I worship no one except Allah, I follow no one except him who Allah says I must follow; Muhammad (AS). Kalifa says he is dead and cant fit to be Allah's Messenger. I think he forgot that Allah says in the Quran that every soul must taste death. That includes all. Further when a true messenger finishes his duty, what is there for him to continue to do, with any more revelation, except to die? More importantly, Muhammad (AS) remains on earth because Allah keeps his message prestine as it was when he was alive on earth. And his hadith which you do not believe, he said that when a person says salaam on him, his soul is returned so that he can hear it as it is delivered to him and return the greeting. I believe it, because Allah is capable of All things. None of it disagrees with the Quran.


And when Chyz quoted the Bible to me, a muslim, i knew then that chyz is not serious about the Islam of Muhammad (AS). I cant say you are not a muslim, but you aqeedah needs a complete overhaul. If you are not a muslim, may Allah guide you into it, and dont make you a means of driving some out of it Amin.If you are already a muslim, may Allah direct your heart away from the cult of the "Covenant". Amin.


@Uplawal; What Chyz brought to you is a cult. It is as bad as a babalawo (pagan), because Munafiq is even worse. definitely worse than Jew and Christian.

@Uplawal: The Rashad Khalifa Cult Exposed.
Hadith #1: Rashad Khalifa - 20th century Hadithist? This article exposes the lies and false Sayings of Dr. Khalifa that he claimed were inspired by Allah ,
www.answering-christianity.com/rk_cult_exposed.htm - Cached - Similar


This man is a cult leader and hope Chyz is not suckering in anybody or himself, if he is truly a believer in Allah?

@Chyz: I live in the United States and I know about Rashid Khalifah. If he is or was a muslim, Allah is the Knower of it. I will never take his writing seriously. This is a new age deviant, calculating numbers and discrediting the messenger.


@Uplawal: The quickest way to lose Islam is to listen to deviants.

May Allah help us from their tricks. Amin. Many will say they are muslims, but instead they come to seduce muslims away from Islam. I'm not accusing any one. I do not suspect anyone.

Many do pose as muslims, but they are not. By Allah, I'm a muslim, following Muhammad (AS) in the way of our Lord.


Khalifah, ignorantly said that Ibrahim [AS], is the first Muslim. What was Adam, or Idris or Nuh (AS). They were listed among the Prophets and muslims and Muminu.


I will not respond in this thread because I can see a deceiption in the works,similar to the british in precolonial India; they dressed up like muslims, and from afar, they will seize an animal, a cow and slaughter it in front of the hindus. The Hindus will run, chasing after them, who have disappeared before the Hindus get close, to actually know these were white Europeans and not their neighbors, the Indian Muslims.The hindus will go on rampage, against the muslims, fighting, hurting and killing them.

Are real muslims going to bring into the community of muslims, fitna of this type on the thread? No.

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Enough of denial from you, Seyibrown. A country that purchases ammo, used or used ever says to others, dont think I am not ready for you. Even thinking about ammo is as good as purchasing, which is as good as ready for war, which is as good as fighting a war if ever there is a chance for it. America did preemptive strike in the shock and awe of Iraq which later was the signal for the invasion of the muslim infidels according to Christian belief. Raed the word infidel in your Timothy part of the Bible.
You believe that a mere thought of something is as good as doing it. Thats in your new testament, why all of a sudden it changes when Jesus was already a clear cut Jihadist? Why buy swords? Why say I came with wars? Why say I come to bring "no peace"? Why say I come to divide the family? Why say slay them before me, since its in a parable and every parable is about Jesus?
sweetnecta, See below the scripture which you partly quote in your second paragraph as quoted above:
Matthew 10:32-40 (King James Version)
32Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
39He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
40He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.[/Quote]The bold is consistent with what I quoted. I only delved only into verse 34. Are you saying that I was unfair in my thought, that I should have quoted even worse as in all the way to verse 40? I dont understand. Where did the idea of not willing to fight lies in the verses you quoted?


[Quote]Making my summary brief, the passage above is about ACCEPTING JESUS or REJECTING JESUS! The sword seperates those who accept Jesus from those who don't. Picture situations where a family member has been killed for accepting Jesus; just exactly what Jesus was saying there! Many people have died (in Christ) because their family members turned against them for accepting Jesus, and it is still happening today! The members of their own family became their enemies. Jews and Christians are hated, persecuted and killed because of Jesus! If you are for Jesus, you will stand for him regardless of what other people say, think or do to you because of him; if you love Jesus and want to be part of his kingdom, you follow him to the end![/Quote]Seyi o. The first bold is your own making. There is no plausibility of it in the verses you quoted, considering that he actually ordered people to sell their belongings and purchase swords with it. Only two of his followers didnt have "Bags", so these were the two who purchased swords. And only God Almighty, Jesus and the disciples with the bags knew what each bag contained. You or I dont have a clue. The second bold is the most ridiculous idea presented to seduce the Jews. The same Jews who are still saying if they have a chance to do it again, this time it is total destruction making sure that there is no chance for the "first time Mistake".


[Quote]You may also want to read Revelation 19; 11 - 21 to see how the 'sword' will be used on the Earth! (Remember to read in context)[/Quote]Oh seyi, quit deceiving me. Jesus said he brought war, he asked for swords to be sold, instead of clothes on their back, they bought it and he didnt want to die, praying all night, why did the disciple who severed the ear of a soldier did so, except it was an instruction from Jesus to fight to death, until an insurmountable crowd came and reality hit the leader, this is a war that the disciples will lose their heads, if it continues, while God had already promised to support him with the spirit, which made him looked dead to him by his mere bowing of head.


[Quote]I hope you are able to think deeply on that scripture and my brief note.[/Quote]I did and came up with the reality, which is above, though you white washed everything, thinking that it is suegbe (lol) you are responding to.


[Quote]On your first paragraph, Mutallab kitting himself with a bomb has not resulted in the US declaring war on YEMEN, NIGERIA or the UK. TWO SWORDS do not equate to a Jihad![/Quote]One sword is. Proof; Mutalab is in jail and not outside, as a free man. I wonder why if he has not been rightfully declared a jihadist, an enemy of "America" or freedom and liberty.


[Quote]Will be happy to discuss the OP parable when OP comes back with an HONEST SUMMARY![/Quote]Thanks, Iyajo. We are aware of the play on words. Reality we know. You can continue to push the envelope, though. Freedom to deceive especially in religion is acceptable in Christianity.

@Proo212: « #36 on: November 26, 2010, 05:02 PM »
[Quote]Sweetnecta,
I laugh at your posts. Now I see what Alethia and Seyibrown endure when they debate with you. A german man who is religious but perhaps not a "Christian in the sense of the word".[/Quote]And you are christian in the sense of the word? You didnt protest existence of Muslims, since your first batch of christians hoped that no one existed but their brand? Dont pass yourself up as a non crusader, because even Bush began the war in Afghanistan dubbing it "CRUSADE".


[Quote]How many of your brothers and sisters who are looking for the truth get met by God on a daily basis even in countries where Christianity is not allowed. They get persecuted for even questioning the Quran and you cannot deny that.[/QUote]When did 3 gods became the truth instead of idolatry? When did Unseen God became a mere man, seized and slaughtered on a tree like the white racist used to slaughter blacks in USA? Give me a break with your joke.


[Quote]You guys get all excited by one german priest killing himself in 2006 and Tony Bliar sister-in-law converting to Islam. Go and watch Al-Jazeera and the Sheikhs fuming over the 700 muslims a day converting to Christianity in Africa.[/QUote]I personally know many former Nigerian Christians who are now Muslims. East and West of Nigeria.


[Quote]The fact is that these people are looking for meaning in their lives and Islam has no answer. You try and draw closer to God by repeating the same words five times a day in arabic (praying for Muhammad by the way - but he died a long time ago). Even the fact that most muslims do not understand the language anyway and because that is supposedly the only way your prayers can be answered. Why can you not pray in your own language? Why can you not just go on your knees and pray? It's not that difficult, Must we go through all the rituals of washing and ablution just to pray? Which if you fart during, you have to start all over again!!![/Quote]To the first bold, meaningfulness is now gotten through something that doesnt add up and hard for the human mind to accept, like 3 gods, one is human and got killed, then all became One God? And this is meaningful to anybody's life? If a child knows of a man dead, he will not respect him. Imagine when you say that is God and dont even thing it is the worst of blasphemy? Now about the second bold; these are your disbelieving suggestion, though subtle, they are disbelief.


[Quote]If you die today, you do not know where you are going. The Imams and the scholars will say only "God knows", your good deeds have to be more than your bad deeds. The same you try to please by doing good deeds to please but you do not if he hears you try and try and try but no relationship.[/Quote]Ignorantly you preach away. Look in the Quran, Paradise is promised to believers. The believers are all muslims, even before the Islam of Muhammad (AS). And only arrogant mind will not Honor God as the All Knower, the reason Muslims say Allah Knows Best.


[Quote]Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life.[/Quote]The way that cried out "my God, my God, why has Thou forsaken me?" The question mark indicates disbelief. Think about it.


[Quote]Like I mentioned earlier, Deuteronomy 18:18 does not in any way apply to your prophet.[/Quote]Who was it applicable to? And while you at it, searching, please tell me who was the Prophet in the question "Are thou Elijah, or thou the Messiah or thou the Prophet?" three people, and no one of them could be two of the three, and Jesus was not Elijah or The Prophet. And John son of Zacharias was not any of them. We know about Elijah, already. Now tell me who was "THE PROPHET"?

^^^^Enough of denial from you, Seyibrown. A country that purchases ammo, used or used ever says to others, dont think I am not ready for you. Even thinking about ammo is as good as purchasing, which is as good as ready for war, which is as good as fighting a war if ever there is a chance for it. America did preemptive strike in the shock and awe of Iraq which later was the signal for the invasion of the muslim infidels according to Christian belief. Raed the word infidel in your Timothy part of the Bible.

You believe that a mere thought of something is as good as doing it. Thats in your new testament, why all of a sudden it changes when Jesus was already a clear cut Jihadist? Why buy swords? Why say I came with wars? Why say I come to bring "no peace"? Why say I come to divide the family? Why say slay them before me, since its in a parable and every parable is about Jesus?

@Aletheia; « #947 on: Today at 04:35:19 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 12:45:28 AM
The best happens in Lagos, just like the best happens in NYC. If you live in Lagos, you should know it. Since you are a doctor, I think quack knows about quackery. If in 2010, you think Nigeria has quack clinics and doctors (the same education you have they have, too; lol), then lets have a throw back to 2010 years back and see how Jerusalem was, with their MRI machines and up to date modern facilities of medicine (and they took the dead to a cave instead of a grave), their ability to detect the faintest of heart beat, or with full knowledge that a dead person does not have blood circulation. You aletheia is a dishonest man if you will discredit a clinic in today's Lagos and lionize the mere bowing of head in 2010 years ago in Jerusalem as sound medical decision or judgment for death.
^I grew up in Lagos. I know what is and is not in Lagos. My wife and parents are in Lagos. You on the other hand admitted that you know little of Nigeria.[/Quote]Compared to you. Yes.Now are you okay with my answer, or should I know more about Nigeria than you, right this moment? But the patient was in Nigeria. She knows more of Nigeria than me, almost as good or better than you since she is proper lagosian. You seem to say by the above that you are not in Lagos since your parents and wife are there, giving the impression that you are not residing there. If Nigerian Medicine is deemed quack by you, how do you exclude yourself from QUACKERY?


[Quote] All na shakara. You are basing your assertion on a mere rumor. Your relations called you to report their mistaken belief that someone was dead. Was it the medical personnel in attendance that declared the person dead? See how easily deceived you are because you reject the truth?[/Quote]Read my entry. My family didnt call me. But the medical personal, assisting the doctor. You read upside down entries, when I said hospital personnel now becomes my family member? I guess you hate the fact that mistake made 2010 years ago is repeated in Lagos last week Monday. Alhamdulillah. I will never worship what you worship. Nor shall you worship what I worship (if you remain out of Islam). You way is yours, and mine way is for me.


[Quote]Quote from: aletheia on Yesterday at 08:06:17 AM
How desperate can you get to justify your lies? How do the events in a possibly quack clinic in Lagos prove that a misdiagnosis occurred 2000 years ago? Now I see how easily you lie to yourself Really? The depths to which men sink in order to avoid the truth.[/Quote]You both went through the same educational system. If he is a quack, you are not immune from quackery.


[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 12:45:28 AM
. . .Remember and I'm not his son. I dont wanna be his son.
^^Your choice; but remember unless you repent and turn to Jesus; these words will stand as witness against you on the Day of Judgment. May God have mercy on you.
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. (Matthew 12:37)]/Quote]Keep your father who will not favor you in the very day. You are reading it from a follower of Muhammad (AS).


[Quote]In any case, this is just diversionary tactics on your part. Just post the verses from the qur'an that state that Gabriel is the Holy Spirit. Simple.[/Quote]Remember that his was your proposal about son and father. Further, you are the accuser of Quran. You cant deny that you say RuhuQudus on its pages. I said it is Jibril (AS). You said he is not. Please present your evidence and the name of the RuhuQudus. If you wish make any claim that you wish to make. While you are at it, I have asked you many times to give me the name of the Biblical Holy Spirit, in the same manner that you have attached Yahweh to father god, and Jesus to son god. Though Yahweh is only a title, just like Messiah is, neither being a proper name, we at least have a title. Give me a pronoun (title) of the Holy Spirit. Let me make it easy for you, if I say jesus is messiah as it is written in the Bible, what can I call the holy spirit, that shall stand for Jesus or messiah? People watch him how he will fall flat on his face. I have stated that RuhuQudus is Jibril, a Malaika (AS). What is Holy spirit of the Bible; give me his specific name or title, and we already know that he is from the group of your gods in TRINITY.


[Quote]Quote from: aletheia on Yesterday at 08:06:17 AM
You Muslims are always so ecstatic when you can prove a Christian wrong. I made a categorical statement. There are no qur'anic verses that state that Gabriel is the Holy Spirit. Yet you are still huffing and puffing to no effect after many days and round about posts. Simply post the verses once and for all and prove aletheia wrong or else let it be known that Islam lies when it claims Gabriel is the Holy Spirit. And if Islam lies on this point; what other things has it lied about?[/Quote]I have asked you to wager away your faith in Christianity so that I show you verse about RuhuQudus and others that Jibril (AS) is so named. You want proofs? Wager and stand behind it, if you have the gut, while you cant even provide a name for Holy GHOST in the Bible.[/quote]

[Quote]« on: Today at 09:04:16 AM »
The Old Covenant was represented by Mount Sinai. It was depicted as impersonal, intimidating and unapproachable; it booms, flashes, and terrifies. The description of Mount Sinai come directly from God's encounter with Israel at that mountain (Exod 19:16-22; 20:18-21). This image communicate separation from a holy God.[/Quote]Yet it is the God of the Children Who sent Jesus His Servant to the same Children of Israel. Folks, watch how they will make the same God approachable, non intimidating, personable, and without any booms and no more flashes and non terrifying to a meek, easy to capture and gored to death by mere nailing on the tree. Watch the transformation below.


[Quote]There is a strong contrast between the old and the new covenant. Believers have now come to a wonderful Mount Zion, which is closely associated with Jerusalem and represents God's dwelling place. The new covenant constitutes a relationship with God by which we experience his presence with joy, peace, and fellowship.[/Quote]Biblical God abandoned Sinai for Zion, and now became tamed. What a great beginning to a process of yet unchanging God.


[Quote]As the people of Israel assembled before Mount Sinai, Christians can now assemble as the body of Christ in fellowship. We approach the Lord of Host , asking for forgiveness, qualified as God's first born children whose names are written in heaven and have been made prefect. (Hebrew 12:23).[/Quote]Assumption is a process, the technic employed to rebrand God of the Bble, from the harsh of OT to very mild as He is becoming meek in the hands of the Chrstians, who suddenly are His exclusive owners even to the point that He sired them all.


[QUote]Praise the Lord! Our Lord Jesus Christ, is the mediator of the new covenant (Hebrew 8:7-13). His sprinkled blood,used as the sacrifice for sins. It is in contrast to the blood of Abel which cried out to God from the ground, demanding vengeance for his murder by Cain. Halleluyah to the KING OF kings whose blood cries out that the price for sins has "BEEN" paid for those(CHRISTAINS who believe) in the new covenant (Amen)[/Quote]Walla. The Unseen God is now a mere human, eating, drinking, using the bathroom, fatigued, slumbered, and lacking in knowledge and was easily overcame by Satan who somehow (overcame him by) carrying him even to the edge of the cliff. His blood now cries out as ransom when all we heard him cry out was a "blaming" of God, who he claimed forsook him.


[Quote]CONCLUSION
Let us remember that the Lord is the same yesterday, today and forever. The Lord never changes. He is the God that showed up at Mount Sinai and He is still the God that dwell on Mount Zion. If those who rejected the message of Moses did not escape punishment, do you think those who reject the Word of God(Jesus Christ) will not face the same fate? The Key understanding is moving from the lesser and focusing on the greater. what is the greater message? The Word of God revealed in Christ. When God spoke at Mount Sinai, the earth Shook; but when God speaks thru Christ, ALL CREATION will shake Heaven included. However some thngs will remain, the UNSHAKABLE (Another Topic)[/Quote]While maintaining the bold, it is not clearly apparent to the gullible that our deacon has planted the deceit, making Unseen God a human being he named. He called God now as Jesus . Was it not the same Jesus who said he was a servant sent by God?How is Jesus now God? Those who lied on Jesus son of Mary shall find their just reward where it is already stored up for them.


[Quote]Let us continue to hope for our eternal inheritence which is that kingdom that cannot be shaken by being thankful and pleasing God by worshiping him with holy fear and awe.[/Quote]Aletheia and those of you who falsely claim that you expect no reward, the word hope is expectation. Though your reward is going to be befitting the punishment.


[Quote]Hebrew 12:29
"For our God is a devouring fire."[/QUote]And you shall not escape it, since there is fire on mount zion already.

@Chyz:  #32 on: Today at 05:01:29 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: azharuddin on Today at 03:40:51 AM
Surah Al-Nisa (4:115):
"He that disobeys the Apostle (Muhammad) after guidance has been made clear to him and follows a way other than that of the believers, We appoint for him that unto which he himself hath turned, and expose him unto Hell - a hapless journey's end!"
Please don't pervert the Holy Quran to suit your point.Here is what the verse actually says:[/Quote]So how do you carry out this "Quranic Verse" above, especially when there is no light of Hadith and Sunnah in your Islam? Allah says make Salatul Subh, in the Quran. From the Quran give the process of the Salatul Subh? But in the hadith on Salah we read that Muhammad (AS0 and his Sahaba (RA) made 2 fard Rakah, and made sunnah prayers before it. If you obey the Quran without obedience to the Hadith and Sunnah of Muhammad that has a Quranic Thread/Tie to it, have you obeyed Allah, by following His verse above, in full obedience to His Messenger (AS)?


[Quote]Al-Nisa(4:115)
"And whoso opposeth the messenger after the guidance (of Allah) hath been manifested unto him, and followeth other than the believer's way, We appoint for him that unto which he himself hath turned, and expose him unto hell a hapless journey's end!"[/Quote]Is opposition not the negative of obedience? Chyz, may Allah guide your heart. Amin. Many Imams will provide anything to fit their own intention. Some oppose Muhammad (AS), even today and they have opposed Allah by it. There is a new religion in Nigeria called CHRISLAM. It has a good following. Are they muslims? The answer is no; what is different from what Muhammad preaches, actualized and said of what is revealed to him in Quran and what he was made to say and do in Hadith and sunnah are what true Islam is. If it was by Allah's Mercy to show us how to correct our Salah, the messenger would not have shortened his Salatuh Asr that many said is not a salah. It is that very Salah that Allah used to tell us how to make the two sajada of forgetfulness and correct our salah. If it was not in Hadith, we would not have known that an Imam could be corrected in recitation of Quran in Salah, when Ibn Mas'ud (RA) who is not from the Ahlul Bayt (RA) corrected the Messenger (AS). Allah used the Prophet to explain the ayah of Quran, giving us in full what we need for Islam, and not the new "ISLAM" of the individual sheikh.


@Abuzola ! (m)
[Quote]Jannatul fir daus, inshaAllah[/Quote]Amin for all Muslims. males and females.


[Quote]« #33 on: Today at 05:56:01 AM »
Hadith is the saying, action and silent approval of the prophet, how do we imitate the Prophet eating, ruling, way of his life without the availability of hadith, just a few of you reject hadith, are u greater than imam malik, hanifa or shafi'i, or what about ibn kathir,  all of the renowned scholars believe in hadith u are now here saying Quran is the only guidance, the hadith is meant to explain the Quran in details,
if we can't  find verdict in the Quran we go to hadith,
if we can't find verdict in the Quran and hadith we go for ijma,
if we can't find verdict in the Quran, hadith and ijma we go for Qiyas.
Brother u are faraway from truth, how do u practicalized things in the Quran e.g going for hajj and salat, Eid, jumah, supplication, so u just embark on hajj to see ka'aba and safa and marwa, right ? In salat u just stand like soldier wandering abt the next food u will eat and then leave thats your salat ? Hahaha, funny dude, do u have beards, how about your trouser,[/Quote]One should ask if the sheikh is greater than Muhammad (AS) himself, who follows his own hadith? Or they think the prophet said these things explaining the Quran and didnt obey them himself? How about the Companions (RA), who obeyed them along with him, in his presence (AS)?


[Quote]Your worst nightmare[/Quote]The Worst Nightmare on earth of the Kufar is firm believer.


@uplawal (f): « #34 on: Today at 09:27:46 AM »
[Quote]Laughing so hard,have missed plenty Grin Grin Grin[/Quote]I pray it is the laughter of joy, preventing you away from innovation in this deen; refusal to acknowledge Hadith and Sunnah that are from Muhammad (AS), seeing that they agree with Quran.


[Quote]« #35 on: Today at 10:35:38 AM »
omdays,
Asalamu aleikum all.
Sufy is well practiced in Nigeria both in south and north,and they are proper juju like chyz said Grin Grin
Abuzola,whats wrong with you,you doing like you know much enh?
And the same hadith encourages to kill people anyhow,we have to wake up to reality jammah,
when Allah says obey the messenger,he meant obey the message through him,and not the personality,[/Quote]Is there a difference between the two? Did Muhammad (AS) have a horrible personality and was given a great religion, and yet his personality didnt change by it? Please explain, because I am confused by your statement here. Muhammad measured up to par of what he was given. He was a great youth. Excellent young man and family man, trust worthy and the best of all before his Prophetic office. He did not get worse, but excellence in Character that his Lord praised him in His Quran, and praised him in the company of the Angels (Surah Azhab).


[Quote]you may wish to do what the messenger do,its no problem, as not as it does not contradict with the guidance, even u can do more sef,e.g comb your hair till they all fall out,or chew pako till your gum swells,its all fine and good,but i want to make everyone understand that you can not be anybody but you,the only thing that can make you different is by attainning takwa to reach Allah in this life and in the next,thats when you obey him[/Quote]Allahu Akbar. May Allah guide us and not bring human shayatin to our lives. Amin. We are aware of the Shaytan and his jinnu followers. But there are humans who are tools in his fighting believers, too. They are disbelievers and also hypocrites among Muslims. There will never be Muminu among them. My sister, stay away from these hypocrites. They are worse than Kufar, who you can identify, plainly. How do you attain Taqwa, except copying Muhammad (AS) and his followers (RA)? How do you do things that are women except you copy the wives of the Prophet (AS), or are you going to copy the wives of the big sheikh, whose wife is wearing Iro ati Buba, fayasile, with gele onile gogoro? The Oko, big sheikh will never leave is beard to grow, except that he shaves it, or make it that a he goat, as if he cant decide between shaven and a few hairs.


[Quote]@all
Or is it not the same Hadith that says women should not be allowed to read and write but to learn tailoring and learn surah Light?[/Quote]Is this all that hadith is? This is why that hadith that disagrees with Quran is not authentic. SInce you can see that Quran says everyone must seek knowledge. The prophet (AS) said the same thing as well. and the women 9RA) around him (AS) were scholars, as well, you will know that the hadith that says women should be prevented from getting education, or even going to Masjid are wrong.


[Quote]Now tell me,who amongs your wive is a tailor here and not a banker,I T Professionals,doctocrs,trader,accountant etc?wake up,Allah dnt object women not to work,if not how do we pay Zakat since its obligatory on both men and women in the Quran?and am sure thats why the hadith im prisoned  some women not to go school, but just to sit down at home and do only chores,thereby wasting Allah's gift of intelligence to mankind?why should women not learn how to read and write?when the the first verse was commanding to read.[/Quote]You know that there are many more hadith that spoke about education of the whole community. Culture is different, and Islam is something that stands on its own.


[Quote]Am not here to argue blindly with anyone but to say what is right and leave the rest to Allah the Originator of heaven of heaven and Earth and all in it,and ABuzola should pls not be sarcastic here ok,an unbeliever can't even talk to me the way you've done since yesterday,may Allah forgive us us,amin.
@sweetnecta,sir,why should the punishment be harsher like you said,?[/Quote]Amin to the dua. Now the answer to the bold is not in my knowledge. But I can assure you as a man, a married man, since most sexual transgressions are carried out by men, and for the most part the instigator, egging women on, should have his excitement with his wife. You see something you like out there, go home to your wife and excite her and yourself. There is a ready made partner for body wife and husband. That is similar to a wealthy man like Bill Gate who goes on a credit card fraud, compared to a poor man who does the same thing. The whole world will be outraged about Bill Gates' financial mistakes like that, if it happens, while a poor man may be sentenced to a prison term of some length, almost all will want Bill Gates to take much more, even lifer or worse.


[Quote]or do you think the Prophet as righteous as Allah placed him would be so ungrateful and change Allah's laws when Allah had warned him severally not to?common,he could not have gone against Allah's laws as he lived in purchase of hellfire,because Allah says he will be be among the losers if he does, so, what are we driving at?[/Quote]The bold answers your question. And he didnt, since there s no place that Allah declared him a loser, hence we have to safely state that Allah permitted the harsher punishment for person who committed adultery while a mere whipping is allowed the fornicator. I must say this though that burying the adultery person half way without no ability to escape, striking hm or her in the upper body only, including the face and  gagging him or her in a way that he or she cant cry out and take back the confession is not in the Sunnah of the messenger (AS). I have not read where a person was buried to his or her chest and muffled that he or she cant run, cry or say "I didnt do it". When a dead person was reported to have ran and cried out that he didnt do it, the prophet was angry and said to the community, you should have left him alone to Allah to decide his case. To me that is the best of Morality, and Kindness among mankind on a person who has been declared guilty as charged. This is in a present day similar to a man who was found guilty and has had his last meal, strapped in the electric chair, with the first jolt of current in his body, he cried out, I am innocent. The whole killing thing was commanded to stop. And this should be the president set for the society.


[Quote]all i know from my own gift of knowledge is that,Prophet did what Allah says and dnt act otherwise,and the only way we show love to the prophet is by obeying Allah and nothing more,[/Quote]Allah says if you love Him, you should obey Muhammad (AS). Thats from Allah. I bet that a woman who finds her husband in bed with a woman who is not the co wife, will want the husbands head on a platter. She could tolerate the co wife and her husband, but a woman he is not married to, he and that woman must die, that would be her wish. If she has the power to carry t out, she would do it on the spot. Why are we saying that the punishment of a man who has a wife, but he strays should be as light as that of the man who is unmarried receiving only 100 lashes, which he can die through the lashes as the son of Umar bin Khatab did? And Allah does not expose a person when a particular type of sin is committed the very first time. He exposes the person when it becomes a routine in the eye of the sinner, not caring and becomes unashamed about it. May Allah protect us and conceal our shame and forgive us our sins.


[Quote]and people should not be placing the prophet in a divinity status,like someone,said to me,muslims have to love the prophet more than themselves,their mother,father, children and so on,i think they are all hadith based cos most muslims agree to it,if this the case,then what happen to the verse of loving ones parents and the responsiblity attached to it,[/Quote]Allah says that one should obey one's parent until they ask you to disobey Allah. Allah says obey Muhammad (AS) if you love Allah. There is no place that Allah ever said one can disobey Muhammad. And there is verse that Allah says that you must obey your parent at all cost, even if it means disbelief. We already know that there is no disbelief in Muhammad (AS) who Allah guided; Quran, Islam, being His Messenger and Prophet, singly to the whole world, praising him as the best example to follow. No need to exaggerate the quality of Muhammad (AS). Obeying him is obedience to Allah. What Allah permits is obedience to Allah. When Allah says obey Muhammad, it is that which is by its very nature of Commandment from Allah that is Obedience to Allah. Did Iblis disobey Allah or was it Adam that was disobeyed because he didnt receive prostration from Iblis? Of course it was Allah that Iblis disobey. You wanna obey Allah, Uplawal, you follow what Allah says in the Quran, and ignore some new age Sheikh and his hypocritical thoughts. Allah says obey Muhammad in many places. There is no single verse Allah says Muhammad should be disobeyed for whatever reason, since He is the One Who guided him (AS). The only reason we know that some hadith are not from Muhammad (AS) are that they are always in complete disagreement with Quran and the known quality of the prophet (AS).


[Quote]and this verse was repeated severally?we should be carefull how we place the prophet so we dnt idolised him ignorantly[/Quote]No one ever raised him more than how Allah raised him. No one ever praised him more than Allah praised him. It wil be impossible, anyhow. However, just because we wanna be clear that he was no more than a human, we should not disregard him, because we will be by extension disregarding what Allah says about him and what he said very clearly about himself (AS).


[Quote]@Chyz,Alhamdullilah and thank you too,if not for Allah who can guide? no one,i need not be too surprised because Allah says,he will guide us to righteousness as long as we obey him,the bottom line there is to obey him,He guided me to Islam,and he will not forsake me but to guide me more[/Quote]Amin to your dua. Whats your thought about your messenger (AS)? Where do you fault his personality. Is the Tucson Oklahoma sheikh a better morality? Let us all fear Allah Who is our Creator and dont let shaytan in form of our ego (desire) comes between our heart and our connection cord to Allah. That cord is what Allah gave Muhammad in essence; Islam and the way he practiced it.

Cant the President take off the silly "Cowboy" hat? Whatever culture it is, it is not his indigenous tribe, but a pass on from the colonial masters. For a 53 year man, he was only 3 when Nigeria on paper, at least freed herself away from Britain; via Independence. A 3 year old should not carry and continue to carry such second class mind set, in substance and style.

I dislike to see the Africans wear something african, and stain it with a "knitted cap" or a "Cowboy hat". Whats with the slave mind still with our people?

@aletheia; « #238 on: Yesterday at 12:07:36 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on November 26, 2010, 11:31 PM
@Aletheia: « #236 on: Today at 10:11:29 PM »The bold is your own addition to what i said in 234. If you have to resort to this, adding to what i said, how can you be trustworthy? No wonder you are what you are. Shame on you, aletheia.
^^You are not as educated as you try to pass yourself off as: "blah, blah, blah" is not an addition but a summary of your long-winded off-point post. Please check a dictionary.[/Quote]I dont have to look further or check any dictionary to know your intention. A honest discussant quotes his opponent without addition to give impression of irrelevance. A basic man, is what I am. education has nothing to do with emotion; look at you believing in three gods, which you keep denying as 1 God; Jesus is a god, you said. So is Jehovah (the Lord, not a proper name) is another god. then hoy spirit that remain nameless is also another god. How many gods are there, alitalia, if they are not 3 independent gods? And my time, is different from your time; you are generation next at best and I'm a baby boomer. We see things differently. Maybe I should not even discuss with you; lol (he probably will have a depression).


[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on November 26, 2010, 11:31 PM
I have lived many years longer than you, and still alive. Many christians who are younger than me are already dead. There are tons of muslims, much older than me alive still. Alhamdulillah, I have not lied. You have lied, and my proof is that you doctored by answer, as shown above. I will not be a member of your multigods religion. If you know a different RuhuQudus apart from Jibril, let us know his name.
^^I said:
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Now is the time for you to leave Muhammad and come to Jesus that you may live.[/Quote]The prophetic reign of Jesus was long gone; over 14 centuries now. Muhammad (AS) is the current and last Messenger. You seem to following Obasanjo when Goodluck is the president is a loose similarity. Who wants has been for current leadership when there is a current and effect leader for life?


[Quote]This is an invitation that Jesus holds out to all including you. The day of repentance is today. Tomorrow may be too late. There is no turning or repentance in the grave. You may be alive physically, even live to a hundred, but all that is vanity, meaningless and dross without Jesus. For a life apart from Jesus is but as one of the living dead. As the scriptures say:
Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel. For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. (John 5:19-29)[/Quote]The bold irrespective of the wrong label, father, is gonna be a witness against you along with the effort of the good meaning muslims on this board.


[Quote]As for your Ruuh Qudus; stop being exasperating and post the qur'anic verses that state that Gabriel is the Holy Spirit. Why the hide and seek? It's a simple matter of posting the relevant verses. You earlier referred to Sura Najm, which I conclusively showed did not mention Gabriel or the Holy Spirit.[/Quote]Let me ask you, alitalia, if Quran says there is a RuhuQudus (AS), can you give me his name if you say he is not Jibril (AS)?


[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on November 26, 2010, 11:31 PM
Your face is better as the symbol of lying. And you have confirmed it by calling a human Lord. You are imitating the British Parliaments with their house of Lords. Lords, I said. Plural. Easy for christians to claim what they claim.
^^Such anger because I said Jesus is Lord. You do manifest the spirit in you despite your efforts at hiding your true nature![/Quote]Maybe your heart may hear the truth, for once. You know a person can pay attention to anger and turn away from evil pursuit. You tend to be deaf and blind to the truth, even now.


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And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. (Revelation 19:11-16)[/Quote]A liar wil never prosper, in the day of Judgment. Continue with your dilution.


[Quote]Behold the final destiny of all who oppose and reject Jesus as the King of Kings and Lord of Lords:
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And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. (Revelation 19:20)
Almighty Heavenly Father; we your children say: Maranatha![/Quote]It would have been better if you wrote Maradonna in there, since anything goes for you. A man spoke syriac semitic language. You people turned everything to hebrew or Greek on him. Or Latin. Pitiful, I said.

@aletheia; [Quote]^^The Heavenly Father is merciful to you for He's still giving you opportunity to repent and be saved. Had your head struck the floor and you died without Christ;[/Quote]you dont have a heavenly father. if you do he is not capable to protect me, when Allah has been my Protector for almost 60 years, that i have been alive. I have been in car accidents where a car that is like tank, tore through my car and at another time my tank like car was hit so badly that it was mangled up. In each of them, I came out with nothing more than being shaken up in each. My Protector has always been Allah, my Creator. Your father cant do nothing for me. He let gang of jews killed his son. Remember and I'm not his son. I dont wanna be his son.


[Quote]You 'd be lost. So give thanks to the Heavenly Father and Jesus our Lord, who spared your life that day.[/Quote]lol. Desperate man. he resorted to desperate measures; begging. If you gravel, I will not loo at you; your appeal is a filth. Your father who cant even protect his begging son, who begged in vain. What do I need with a duo like that, when Allah is Completely Enough? My head was protected in the same way the lips and tongue and heart of Prophet Ayub (AS; Job) was protected because we make dhikr to Allah with them.


[Quote]A time may come when it will be too late. Indeed on the Day of Judgment; you Sweetnecta (or Hamza---that may be your name, I guess) will be without excuse for the gospel has been proclaimed to you severally but instead you have allowed the gall of bitterness to take root in your heart. Repent![/Quote]I am satisfied with the direction of my life. Alhamdulillah. There is an h after the last a in my name.


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. . .for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
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The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. (2 Peter 3:9)[/Quote]Quote your corrupt book. The pen of the scribes had done you in. I am free of you.


[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 12:19:23 AM
Use your mind for a moment. You are a doctor. Tell me if what happen on monday was a testimony to the misdiagnosis of over 2000 years ago?
^^How desperate can you get to justify your lies? How do the events in a possibly quack clinic in Lagos prove that a misdiagnosis occurred 2000 years ago? Now I see how easily you lie to yourself Really? The depths to which men sink in order to avoid the truth.[/Quote]Are you saying that what I said happened on Monday didnt happen? You are a troubled soul, aletheia. Lagos is the capital city of Nigeria, in my eye, just like New York City is the capital city of USA. The best happens in Lagos, just like the best happens in NYC. If you live in Lagos, you should know it. Since you are a doctor, I think quack knows about quackery. If in 2010, you think Nigeria has quack clinics and doctors (the same education you have they have, too; lol), then lets have a throw back to 2010 years back and see how Jerusalem was, with their MRI machines and up to date modern facilities of medicine (and they took the dead to a cave instead of a grave), their ability to detect the faintest of heart beat, or with full knowledge that a dead person does not have blood circulation. You aletheia is a dishonest man if you will discredit a clinic in today's Lagos and lionize the mere bowing of head in 2010 years ago in Jerusalem as sound medical decision or judgment for death.

You can a "shekh" that give you what you want in his version of Islam, different and separate from what Allah gave His Messenger Muhammad (AS).

The Nation of Islam spoke about Allah being a man in the name of a guy called Farid from Michigan.
The Ahmadiyyan says about the death of Jesus in Kashmir when Quran says otherwise and being lifted up, and they say their was a Prophet even.
The 5 percenters say they are part of Allah, just like the jews.
The Wahabi can tell you that you can beat your wife, as long as you dont touch her face.
Others make their own brand of Islam. Sufism is a good example.

If Muhammad (AS) was to explain, how did he explain, except by Sunnah and Hadith. If "Hadith" or "Sunnah" is contrary to Quran, then it is something you leave alone. But to say because there is no commandment to stone a married person who committed adultery, is completely wrong, because it is part of the explanation of whipping the unmarried, except that the case of the married is harder. If Muhammad (AS) ordered it, why deny or avoid it?

I will aways follow Muhammad (AS) and those who follow him, until the stopfollowing him, then I will cease to follow them.

@Uplawal: A spouse has a way to have his or her sexual tension released, hence his or her punishment for illegal sexual activity should be harsher than the person who is single, having no spouse that is legal for him or her.

100 lashes not less is ordained for such single person. Do you think it shoud be the same for the one who is married, as well?

I can tell you that you can find a shekh that can say that no salah if you push him hard. The Halawi Shia dont make salah for example. How did they arrive at it?

@Chyz: [Quote]You must not have read any of what I typed. Please read with an unbias mind. The Qur'an stands alone. Like I said, if it is not in the Qur'an then I don't do it period. Allah has given me instruction and command through the Qur'an and the Qur'an alone. Its not about how dear the hadith is to you, it is about following the teachings of Islam which are found only in the Holy Qur'an.

Please Go through this link and learn an Islamic scholar "Mallam":

http://www.masjidtucson.org/publications/books/qhi/qhi.html[/Quote]Thanks for your response. However who is the Authority on Islam among humans; Muhammad (AS) or others? If a sheikh or Ulama/Malaam is opposing Muhammad (AS), guess who is the loser? The Sheikh, Ulama/Malaam. Allah allowed Muhammad to have more than 4 wives, while the rest of us are restricted to max of 4, while before salah was commanded, it was compulsory on the prophet, while tahajjud prayer was a choice to muslims, Muhammad (AS) must performed it.

Allah says in many parts of the Quran, even from the beginning of Surah Baqarah that salah must be performed.
Surah Nur verse 58 speaks about the times that one can be in private, corresponding in two to after the salah (Isha and Dhur) before it and one the salah before the salah (Fajr/Suhr) after it.  Surah Baqarah verse 187, in relationship to starting ending time of sawn, Allah gave the dawn and sunset as the landmark time, whereas in Surah Nur, we have noted that there is Salah (Subh for dawn), hence to end sawm, there must be such an event, a salah, in this case Magrib. And in verse 238 of Surah Baqarah, salawat is mentioned to indicate a multiple daily salah (5 daily salah) whereas the middle on is to be strictly guarded. In all our effort, we must not forget that Muhammad (AS) used to make salah and others in his community used to follow him in this, even before salah was ordained, as we have seen, and even before he received the legislation (process) for it in his Isra wa Miraj journey as recorded in Surah Isra and Surah Najm, as it occurred while still in Makka. Allah says that Muhammad should be followed and obeyed, if one is a believer and a lover of Allah. Allah says what Muhammad gives you, oh believer take, and what he forbids you, avoid it. Allah says that one should hurry up to Muhammad (AS) when he calls for what one will receive is what gives life (guidance).
The Noble Qur'an Al-Baqarah 2:238

Guard strictly (five obligatory) As­Salawât (the prayers) especially the middle Salât (i.e. the best prayer ­ 'Asr).[] And stand before Allâh with obedience [and do not speak to others during the Salât (prayers)].

I will now go to the website for knowledge. May Allah guide our hearts on the right path. Amin.