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@ShiaMuslim: [Quote]i would like to know from you what you know about shia islam,the Ahlul-Bayt (as),Imam Hussain(as) and the battle of karbala,or what would you like to know?[/Quote]For me, nothing on the three issues you listed above, siply because none of the is the proprietary and exclusive property of ShiaIsm, over other Muslims, especially the group called Sunni.

All Ahlul Bayt (RA), Imam Hussayn (RA) and the Battle of Karbala are acknowledged and beloved, well familiar to all muslims. The day of Ashurra is an event during the time of Seyiddina Musa (AS) of Bani Israil. The Messenger (AS) told us to fast, and we do not have to beat ourselves up, getting blood from our body for this. There is no self beat up in Islam. It is haram and just because this is the same day that the grandson of the messenger died, as the messenger himself had stated, including about sayiddina Ali death, we should not let us forget what ashurra is; Musa, a messenger of Allah.

When the son of the prophet (AS) died, the people saw an eclipse of the sun and declared that heaven is mourning, too. The prophet (AS) stopped them from such utterance.

I wonder what the prophet will say about the death of his grandson being made to overshadow the event on Prophet Musa (AS) who is in 6th heaven and dubbed Qalamullahu Taala? How do people beat them up and go revere the grave, supplicating to him, begging him, when Allah Alone is to be supplicated and begged?

@ShiaMuslim: To claim that there is no hadith about the handwork of Shaytan by any muslim, and to insist that only the people from the family (RA) are the ones whose hadith accepted, and no one else is pure fallacy. Almost similar to leaving Islam itself.

Umar ibn Khattab (RA), was the reason that Allah revealed the verse on the "Station of Ibrahim" at the Kaaba, whereby everyone who makes hajj at least makes 2 Rakah, Shia or no shia. Allah reveal Surah about permission to be given to a person who is no more unaware of the differences between male and famale, before entering the room occupied by people; parents, etc in Surah Muminu.

There are many other revealed verses based on Umar bin Khattab. ABu Bakr (RA) was not ignored, either. Neither was Uthman ibn Affan (RA). We, as muslims love all the messenger's companions (RA), without discriminating on any of them. Their cases are with Allah. Those who fought in Badr were declared forgiven and made people of Paradise in the Quran. It was not only Sayidinna Ali bin Abi Talib [ra], alone that the messenger gave the news of Paradise. THe prophet said he saw the heels of Sayiddina Bilal bin Rabah [ra] in Paradise, too.

Let your aqeedah be pure. Asm'aa bint Abu Bakr was given news of Paradise for tearing part of her money/treasure waist band in order to tie up the traveling provision of the messneger (AS) and his companion [ra] for Hijr.

Say what you know of islam, indeed hadith. In Surah Araf, Shaytan asked Allah to permit him till the end time, and he will waylay mankind in every which way; fro the front and back, and both sides, except top which is between Allah and every man. Front and back and both sides seem pretty determined to me. It is not surprising that Allah's Messenger (AS) went to extreme length to tell us how to avoid Satan, away from each possible trick.

^^^^All you have to do was type-in on goggle search; Dhul (ZUl) Quarnain.

At least you will not find only Alexander the Great, but other names like Cyrus of the Persian, and others.

You just read about them, eliminating one personality after the other, based on what The Quran says about the Person King/Emperor/Ruler/Conqueror that you wish to know.

The Quran does not mention a name, but characteristics of his identity was well presented, and knowledge is not full or complete among mankind, yet. You may not find him, now, because of infancy of knowledge or youth in its research.

But I can tell you you do not find Alexander the Great in the Bible, bt the Jews are familiar with Cyrus. I say for now with all his military explorations and adventure and successes and zoroastic religion was once a pure religion believing in the existence of One God, just like Christianity was before being polluted with Trinity, Cyrus is probably the Zul Quarnain. www.understanding-islam.com/rq/q-028.htm - Cached - Similar

Next week. I will have time for you. in the maintime, read Matthew 26/39 and see a god prostrating his face on the ground and prayed to God.


WHo does that, but muslims and Jesus son of Mary.

^^^^^^if you open your hand, you will what you hold firmly is nothing.



Matthew 26 verse 39.

^^^^^^Me or any other muslim may not have time to respond to you in the way that will shut you up forever until say next week after the ID. Most of us are fasting as we speak. But I want to assure you that my answer will be source out only from the fountain of knowledge among humans, the man Muhammad (AS) whom Allah gave the best of all knowledge.

Incidentally, Seyibrown asked me some Praising Names of my Lord sometimes since we began this dialogue. I remember giving her some and she quoted something similar for Yahweh. I kinda let her enjoyed her trying to match wit with me. Well, yesterday, I was just thinking that I needed to remind her that jesus is Yahweh according to her, you and all of the Trinitarians. If this is so, one of Allah's Name is the Abaser. The One Who can abase a person from lofty position to lower as low as Allah Wishes.

is Jesus this, too? If so how did he abase the Jews who came after his life and got it, at will? Today, they do not believe him and all of you say the Jews are the first class among humans, even holding your salvation card over you after they have done your god, Yahweh Jesus wrong, even so to his demise, if only temporary?

I just want to remind you of Matthew 26 verse 39 which shows the real state of Jesus and how you should worship if you are a believer: Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."

Aletheia, o ki nshe omode rara. ro inu e jile. oro nla ni aa nso fun e. [see how I used aa [we for myself, alone]]. Allah has the Absolute Right to it, because in front of my mother, i dare not.

@Saridon P: « #372 on: September 05, 2010, 01:34 PM »
[Quote]@MUKINA2 AND THE REST MUSLIM BELIEVERS IN THIS FORUM I AM VERY HAPPY TO YOUR POST AND YOUR DEDICATION TO THE RELIGION.I AM A MUSLIM AND I LEFT NAIJA AT THE AGE OF 5 AND I DONT KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE QURAN EXCEPT FEW ONES.[/Quote]May Allah open your heart and make it fresh, new, and renewed as if you are 5 years old again, to be able to absorb knowledge of Islam and all beneficiary knowledge like a sponge. The heart of a child is like when you etch on a stone, it remains there for ever. This is what I pray to Allah for you.



[Quote]I REALLY NEED SOMEONE TO GIVE ME SPECIAL PRAYERS THAT I CAN RECITE DAILY ESPECIALLY IN THE MID-NIGHT TO FIGHT EVIL AND TO ENHANCE MY PROSPERITY.I WILL LIKE IT IN ARABIC FORM BUT WRITTEN WITH LATIN CHARACTERS.I AM ASKING FOR THIS BECAUSE I AM GOING THROUGH SOME DIFFICULT TIMES AND I KNOW THAT IS ON ALLAH THAT CAN BAIL ME OUT.PLS YOUR ASSISTANCE WILL BE APPRECIATED AND I MAY ONE DAY COME BACK HERE TO THANK ALLAH, ALLAH IS THE GREATEST,[/Quote]The first thing is that you endeavor to make your 5 daily salah on time, if you have not been doing it. This is the best way to struggle against all kind of evil. When you make your wudhu concentrate on it so that you can make good wudhu. Dont talk in the bathroom, even though your lips may move, no sound should come out.

Observe as much sunnah that you can like asking Allah to protect you before you enter the bathroom with your left foot leading in; by saying before then Allahumma inni audhu bika minal Kubt wal Kabait. Audibilahi minal shaytani rajim BismIlahi Rahmanir rahim. then enter.
lead with your righ foot to go exit, and say Fagfrili as you exit.

It is all in your hand, so make dua as much as you can and Laaillaha ilaAllah, Subhannnallah, Astaga firUllah, etc, through out the day with your lips and with your heart. Call on Allah much to protect you and support you and not abandon you in this trying time or at anytime. Allah hears all pleas.

When you go to bed read Surah Iklas, and the two that are after it, the Quls as they are called, each 3 times. blow air from your mouth 3 times into your hands as you finish and wipe your body with it. then lay down on your right facing Makka, the Qibla. Then read Ayatul Kursi; it is nice to go to bed with wudhu, still; Allahu laa Illaha al ayyu Qayuum, Lata u dhuhu sia tunwa Laa naaum, Lahu ma fi samawati wa ma fil ard, madhalladhi yashfa huuun, inda uun, ila bi idni, Yaa laa mu ma bayna Aidi him, wa ma Qulfa hum wa a yu tuna be sheinnn min ilmiiihi lan fi saaamalaha wa lahu aliyun aaalim. Sadaqa Lau ladhi.

as you doze off make sure that you say laillah ilallah, subhannallah, etc on your lips to sleep. InshaAllah, no evil will befall you.

Try to wake up for night prayer. do it 1 hour before the beginning of Fajr time; whereever you may be on earth,there are prediction ofwhen this fajr time begins, so you have to wake up 1 hour and change,so that you can make proper wudh, your mind is clear and make a 2 rakah of wudhi everytime, and start using this time to train yourself.

Then make 4 rakah, and another 4 rakah. make Witr, 1 or 3 or 5 or 7 or 9 or 11 rakah.I norally make my witr at this tie for only 3 rakah. make 2 rakah of sunnah reciting Surah kafiruun for the first rakat and the second Rakah surah Iklas. Repeat another 2 rakah in the same way.Then make the obligatory salah of the morning in congregation, if you are near the Mosque, otherwise Allah knows your burden, if it is impossible to get to the nearest one which may be next town, then 10 minutes into the time of prayer, make your salah.

In each salah when your face is on the floor,after saying Subhannah Rabbil Al Ala,3 ties, say yaa Allah or any of His 99 names, and then say Allahumma salli ala Muhammadin wa Ala ali Muhammadin, then ask Allah for what you want; protection, whatever and close it with Allahumma salli ala Muhammad wa ala ali Muhammadin (note that in Salah you can not say Seyidinna Muhammad be Allah is the Only Seyiddina in Salah) and say Allahuakbar.

Continue to do this and Allah Will make your condition easy, free from your test and any and all difficulties. We your brothers and sister will make dua for you, but it is you who shall seek the changes you want from Allah The Only Doer Capable of Meeting your needs,

May Allah help you. Amin. And help all Muslimss, males and females. Amin.

Allah Alone is Enough as Witness of Himself, for Muhammad (AS).

And those who are saying that Quran is not correct, we see Issa in reality.

^^^^May Allah not deform your eye, your mind, your brain, your hand, your person and all those you love. Amin.

@Yommyuk: « #160 on: Yesterday at 09:55:35 PM »
[Quote]@Sweetnecta,
Oh dear! How is it that you have allowed "Ignorance" to take up residence in your spirit? The bible says "seek the truth and you shall be set free." The level of your spiritual understanding and awareness is very "juvenile". However, I do understand why. It is becos the Holy Spirit has not taken residence in your spirit. All you have is an "empty space " spirit of islamic faith that is too stubborn to accept the truth. I have said b4, Islam in its totality is "a truth" but not "THE TRUTH"[/Quote]That God is really made up of gods; 1 dead, according to you, another a ghost and the third a father who is not independent? Thanks, but no. I dont want your gods. Let me die in my ignorance and my basic juvenile awareness which is God is One Full and Compete God without any partner.


[Quote]One thing about Christianity is that we do not super-impose our faith on those of other faith. Unlike Islam that uses laws to hold people in captivity. In Christ we have Liberty, but in mohammed you have been given a burden which most muslims cannot bear.[/Quote]You didnt count the crusaders, the spnish inquisitors, the european colonizers and current efforts of the christian missionaries and their religious atrocities in afghanistan and iraq. yommyuk, you are still observing yom kippoor the reason you have not realized what christianity has became.


[Quote]If you can utter such comments that[b] part of the bible are pack of lies[/b], I can only hope that God will reveal himself to you to know the truth.[/Quote]Two statements on a single subject coming out of the lips of Jesus according to the Bible, which one is true which means the other is a lie? Make a choice in these two verses, right here: Your servant Jesus who You sent or I and God are One?


[Quote]Thanks for acknowledging that Mohammed is dead and gone, but my Lord Jesus Christ is alive and kicking. How do we know? When we call on the name of Jesus, we know that he hears us becos he resides in us via the Holy spirit.[/Quote]This is how you know? Please callon his nameand grow a limb on a british marine who lost a leg in Iraq.Thanks. I want to read it in the news.


[Quote] Such free gift Islam does not possess. The bible says whatever we ask in the name of Jesus, we shall recieve. Billions of people have testified to this fact 4over 2000 years. So if you think all this is a lie, I will suggest that you wake up from your slumber, get a bible if you haven't got one and read Psalm 121. Therein the Lord of Host says " Look up to the mountains (Islam), does your help come from there? My help comes from the Lord who made heaven and earth! He will not let you stumble[/Quote]Psalm is from David, silly mind you yommyuk. Show me something fro the Gospel! He starts using the same Psalm from David they call adulterer.


[Quote](If you accept the Jesus as your Lord and Savior, the one who watches over you will not slumber (unlike Mohammed).[/Quote]I reember reading that Jesus slept during a storm. What is slumber but a sleep. Yommyuk is thinking like a child.

@Tonye-T: « #223 on: Today at 04:41:59 PM »
[Quote]I wish i could stop, but this Prophet's superstitions just wont stop. . . Grin Grin

Quote
Haddith according to Abdullah bin 'Umar wrote that Mohammad said, "After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women." Vol. 7:33

1. Prophet indirectly told this followers he was a harmful affliction Grin Grin Grin

2. And that after Him, the next affliction harmful to mankind was WOMAN Grin Grin Grin

After sleeping with all his wives, he felt the next resort was to call them harmful afflictions. . .little wonder he was bewitched with women and food. Grin Grin Grin Grin huuuhhhh Prophet Mo' what a pathetic Prophet.

n/b: Vedaxcool pls take note that that chick that prolly gives your joy and reason to smile IS A HARMFUL AFFLICTION Grin Grin. . . rotflmao Grin Grin Grin[/Quote]How does the above relate to or explain superstition? If you cant, then Nigeria has produced one of the worst and most dishonest soul that ever was created by Allah. Shaytan and Fir'awn Dajjal are just a shade ahead of you.

Now that you have failed, and it seems to me that you lack ability to understand simple and straight forward Sentences written in English Language. I know its not your native language, so I excuse you. Look at the below. I had to stop myself,so that I do not overwhelm you further since your mind is very basic. Is there a better human being, that his prayer, God the Creator accepts and never rejects, whereby giving forgiveness and mercy over all believers? No one has to be arrested, tortured, beat up and after an obvious act of disbelief, was raised up by liars.

Surah Taubah Verse 128 says the following about Muhammad (AS) to people; Verily, there has come unto you a Messenger (Muhammad SAW) from amongst yourselves (i.e. whom you know well). It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty. He (Muhammad SAW) is anxious over you (to be rightly guided, to repent to Allah, and beg Him to pardon and forgive your sins, in order that you may enter Paradise and be saved from the punishment of the Hell-fire), for the believers (he SAW is) full of pity, kind, and merciful.

Surah Furqan verse 1: Blessed be He Who sent down the criterion (of right and wrong, i.e. this Quran) to His slave (Muhammad SAW) that he may be a warner to the 'Alamin (mankind and jinns).

The was exalted by his Lord: Nun. By the Pen and what they write down! By the blessing of your Lord, you are not mad. You will have a wage which never-fails. Indeed you are truly vast in character. So you will see and they will see which of you is mad. Your Lord knows best who is misguided from His Way and He knows best those who are guided. (Surat al-Qalam: 1-7)

This messenger practiced only what was revealed to him: When Our Clear Signs are recited to them, those who do not expect to meet Us say, "Bring a Qur'an other than this one or change it." Say: "It is not for me to change it of my own accord. I follow nothing except what is revealed to me. I fear, were I to disobey my Lord, the punishment of a Dreadful Day." Say: "Had Allah so wished, I would not have recited it to you nor would He have made it known to you. I lived among you for many years before it came. Will you not use your intellect?" (Surah Yunus: 15-16)

A warner, a confirmer: And We have sent down the Book to you [Muhammad] with truth, confirming and conserving the previous Books. So judge between them by what Allah has sent down and do not follow their whims and desires deviating from the Truth that has come to you. We have appointed a law and a practice for every one of you. Had Allah willed, He would have made you a single community, but He wanted to test you regarding what has come to you. So compete with each other in doing good. Every one of you will return to Allah and He will inform you regarding the things about which you differed. Judge between them by what Allah has sent down and do not follow their whims and desires. And beware of them lest they lure you away from some of what Allah has sent down to you. If they turn their backs, then know that Allah wants to afflict them with some of their wrong actions. Many of mankind are deviators. (Surat al-Ma'ida: 48-49)

Superior in morality, head and shoulders above all: Say: "I do not say to you that I possess the treasuries of Allah, nor do I know the Unseen, nor do I say to you that I am an angel. I only follow what has been revealed to me." Say: "Are the blind the same as those who can see? So will you not reflect?" (Surat al-An'am: 50)

Know that the Messenger of Allah is among you. If he were to obey you in many things, you would suffer for it.However, Allah has given you love of faith and made it pleasing to your hearts, and has made disbelief, deviance and disobedience hateful to you. People such as these are rightly guided. (Surat al-Hujurat: 7)


Tolerant, not a burden, not a trial not a harmful afflication as Tonye-T the ignorant said: It is a mercy from Allah that you were gentle with them. If you had been rough or hard of heart, they would have scattered from around you. So pardon them and ask forgiveness for them, (Surah Al 'Imran: 159)

We know best what they say. You are not a dictator over them. So remind, with the Qur'an, whoever fears My Threat. (Surah Qaf: 45)

Surah Saba': 46: Surat an-Najm: 2, Surat at-Takwir: 22

The Prophet is closer to the believers than their own selves, and his wives are their mothers, (Surat al-Ahzab: 6)

A just man: "Be upholders of justice, bearing witness for Allah alone, even against yourselves or your parents and relatives. Whether they are rich or poor, Allah is well able to look after them. Do not follow your own desires and deviate from the truth, " (Surat an-Nisa': 135).

The noblest among mankind, over and above everyone else: Mankind! We created you from a male and female,and made you into peoples and tribes so that you might come to know each other. The noblest among you in Allah's sight is the one with the most taqwa [righteousness, fear of Allah]. Allah is All-Knowing, All-Aware. (Surat al-Hujurat: 13)

If any of the idolators ask you for protection, give them protection until they have heard the words of Allah. Then convey them to a place where they are safe, (Surat at-Tawba: 6)

, As long as they [whom you made a treaty with] are straight with you, be straight with them. Allah loves those who have taqwa. (Surat at-Tawba: 7)

Warner in such a way that it arouses good conscience to wake up to consciousness of God: Say: "This is my way. I call to Allah with inner sight, I and all who follow me. Glory be to Allah! I am not one of those who associate others with Him." (Surah Yusuf: 108)

For this We sent a Messenger to you from among you to recite Our Signs to you and purify you and teach you the Book and Wisdom and teach you things you did not know before. (Surat al-Baqara: 151)

Allah showed great kindness to the believers when He sent a Messenger to them from among themselves to recite His Signs to them and purify them and teach them the Book and Wisdom, even though before that they were clearly misguided. (Surah Al 'Imran: 164)

Sami Efendi (1838-1912). A callighraphic inscription in celi ta'liq script. Qalam-i Kibar (apothegm), "The primary requirement for wisdom is fear of Allah."

It is He Who raised up among the Ummi a Messenger from them to recite His Signs to them and purify them and teach them the Book and Wisdom, even though before that they were clearly misguided. (Surat al-Jumu'a: 2)

Allah gave him what gives mankind spiritual life and enrichment of the soul; You who believe! Respond to Allah and to the Messenger when He calls you to what will bring you to life! Know that Allah intervenes between a man and his heart and that you will be gathered to Him. (Surat al-Anfal: 24)

Vringer of Good news and glad tiding does not bring affliction: "O Prophet! We have sent you as a witness, and a bringer of good news and a warner" (Surat al-Ahzab: 45)

We have sent you with the Truth, bringing good news and giving warning. Do not ask about the inhabitants of the Blazing Fire. (Surat al-Baqara: 119)

We have sent it down with truth and with truth it has come down. We only sent you to bring good news and to give warning. (Surat al-Isra': 105)

Hüseyin Kutlu. Calligraphy reading 'Mashallah.'

Truly it is revelation sent down by the Lord of all the worlds. The Trustworthy Spirit brought it down to your heart so you would be one of the Warners. (Surat ash-Shu'ara': 192-194)

We only sent you for the whole of mankind, bringing good news and giving warning. But most of mankind do not know it. (Surah Saba': 28)

"Give good news to the believers that they will receive immense favor from Allah" (Surat al-Ahzab: 47).

Say: "My servants, you who have transgressed against yourselves, do not despair of the mercy of Allah. Truly Allah forgives all wrong actions. He is the Ever-Forgiving, the Most Merciful." (Surat az-Zumar: 53)

When those who believe in Our Signs come to you, say, "Peace be upon you!" Allah has made mercy incumbent on Himself. If anyone among you does evil out of ignorance and then afterwards repents and puts things right, He is Ever-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (Surat al-An'am: 54)

Confirming news of Paradise for believers: Say, "Shall I tell you of something better than that?" Those who do their duty will have Gardens with their Lord, with rivers flowing under them, remaining in them timelessly, for ever, and purified wives, and the Pleasure of Allah. Allah sees His servants. (Surah Al 'Imran: 15)

Give the good news to those who believe and do right actions that they will have Gardens with rivers flowing under them. When they are given fruit there as provision, they will say, 'This is what we were given before.' But they were only given a simulation of it. They will have there spouses of perfect purity and will remain there timelessly, for ever. (Surat al-Baqara: 25)

Reminder that he too is human; Say: "I am only a human being like yourselves. It is revealed to me that your god is One God. So let him who hopes to meet his Lord act rightly and not associate anyone in the worship of his Lord." (Surat al-Kahf: 110)

Say: "If there had been angels on the earth going about in peace, We would have sent down to them an angel from heaven as messenger." Say: "Allah is a sufficient witness between me and you. He is certainly aware of and sees His servants." (Surat al-Isra': 95-96)

"I have simply been ordered to worship the Lord of this land which He has declared sacred-everything belongs to Him-and I have been ordered to be one of the Muslims and to recite the Qur'an." Whoever is guided is only guided to his own good; if someone is misguided just say, "I am only a warner." Say: "Praise be to Allah. He will show you His Signs and you will recognise them. Your Lord is not unaware of what you do." (Surat an-Naml: 91-93)

Be patient. But your patience is only by Allah. Do not be grieved by them and do not be constricted by the plots they hatch. Allah is with those who fulfil their duty and with those who are good-doers. (Surat an-Nahl: 127-128)

A reliever of difficulties does not bring or cause affliction; Those who follow the Messenger, the Ummi, whom they find written down with them in the Torah and the Gospel, commanding them to do right and forbidding them to do wrong, permitting them good things and prohibiting them bad things, relieving them of their heavy loads and the chains which were around them. Those who believe in him and honour him and help him, and follow the Light that has been sent down with him, they are the ones who are successful. (Surat al-A'raf: 157)

Allah has made a metaphor for them of a man owned by several partners in dispute with one another and another man wholly owned by a single man. Are they the same? Praise be to Allah! The fact is that most of them do not know. (Surat az-Zumar: 29)

Asking for Forgiveness for believers: O Prophet! When women who believe come to you pledging allegiance to you on the grounds that they will not associate anything with Allah or steal or fornicate or kill their children or give a false ascription of paternity-making up lies about their bodies-or disobey you in respect of anything right, then accept their pledge and ask forgiveness for them. Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (Surat al-Mumtahana: 12)

Know then that there is no god except Allah and ask forgiveness for your wrongdoing, and for the men and women who believe. Allah knows both your activity and your repose. (Surah Muhammad: 19)

", If they ask your permission to attend to their own affairs, give permission to any of them you please; and ask Allah's forgiveness for them. Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Merciful." (Surat an-Nur: 62)

, Pray for them. Your prayers bring relief to them. Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing. (Surat at-Tawba: 103)

hose who do good will have the best and more! Neither dust nor debasement will darken their faces. They are the Companions of the Garden, remaining in it timelessly, for ever. (Surah Yunus: 26)

Believers are purified and cleansed when they give alms: "Take from their wealth a charity to purify and cleanse them and pray for them."


And since you dont believe that women are trials, for men more than men are trials for women, I remember a young woman saying that the biggest threat to a wealthy old man with a gorgeous wife is a poor strong handsome young man. Evidently you are not married, or your hard heart just dont get it.

@Seyibrown: I am through. You have the floor as long as you wish. But please answer my questions. I dislike rhetorical.

@Olaadegbu: « #189 on: Today at 09:34:14 AM »
[Quote]@Sweetnecta,
Would you care to answer the challenge made in the quote below as to why you have Mohammad as an associate or partner of Allah?

Quote from: pilgrim.1 on December 14, 2007, 04:51 PM

We know - for example: "He who obeys the Messenger, obeys Allah" (Qur'an 4 v 80). The problem here is twofold:

(a) Islam teaches that it is wrong to associate anyone with 'Allah' (for that is shirk!), and that is exactly what is happening in that verse, by making Muhammad a partner in association with obedience to 'Allah'. One may say that: "Obedience to 'Allah' = obedience to Muhammad".[/Quote]Does the last bold makes sense, when Muhammad (AS) cant command that mankind worships him, while Allah commands Muhammad and all mankind to worship Him, and Muhammad (AS) obeyed in full submission? Does Pilgrim cares to show us how he/she arrives at this Obedience to Allah = obedience to Muhammad, when Muhammad (AS), is commanded to obey Allah? Pilgrim.1 must be a gimmick maker, liar. The verse of the Quran is clear, and it is the Command of Allah that one follows, Who has raised Muhammad to an esteemed and lofty place among man, all creations, including those in heaven, which one can see by the Miraj events, passing a place beyond which Jibril (AS) himself must not pass, at least on that August occasion.



[Quote] Does the Qur'an not rather teach that Muslims are to take 'Allah ALONE' (Sura 73:9 - "there is no God save Him; so choose thou Him alone for thy defender"? The word "defender" ('Wali' - Hilali-Khan) is also rendered as "protector", "guardian", or "helper" by several other translators (e.g., Sura 2:107 - Pickthall, Yusuf Ali, Sher Ali, Sale, etc).

However, when we turn to the Sahih hadiths, we find indeed that Muhammad was regarded on the same platform with Allah - which is nothing short of his acting as an "associate", or "partner". Let's see a few of those Sahih hadiths:

Sahih Bukhari, Book 31, Num. 6120:
Abu Ayyub reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him)
as saying: The tribes of Ansar, Muzaina and Juhaina and Ghifar and
Ashja' and those from Banu 'Abdullah, they are my friends amongst
the people and Allah and His Messenger are their protectors.

Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 4, Book 56, Num. 707:
Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said,
"The tribe of Quraish, the Ansar, the (people of the tribe of) Julhaina,
Muzaina, Aslam, Ashja', and Ghifar are my disciples
and have no protectors except Allah and His Apostle."

Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 4, Book 56, Num. 715:
Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "The tribes of Quraish,
Al-Ansar, Juhaina, Muzaina, Aslam, Ghifar and Ashja' are
my helpers, and they have no protector (i.e. Master)
except Allah and His Apostle."[/Quote]Is anyone without good sense here? I ask you, Pilgrim.1 and Olaadegbu, was Muhammad not the servant, slave and messenger of Allah in the community of the muslims? Is it not in the Quran when Allah says of those who consume INTEREST that if they do not stop, "Allah and His Messenger (Rasul [as]) shall declare war against them"? Are you thinking that we view this very Allah and His Messenger (AS) the same way your ignorant mind see verses of the Bible where Jesus said "If you see me,you see God", which you have used to make so foolishly I may just add as to mean jesus is God? We can readand we know when that when the President of a country sends the foreign secretary to a mission, the foreign secretary says "The President and I" does not mean I am equal to the president, since she cant (Hillary Clinton) cant send herself out, without President Barackallahu Husyaine Obama sending her or saying go and say exactly this an this. This is equal to hadith in this case.



[Quote]Notice that in the last hadith quoted, BOTH 'Allah' and Muhammad are the sole 'protector(s)' - which is clearly explicated in parenthesis as MASTER! I have often pointed the fact[b] that in early Islam, Muslims have referred to Muhammad as "Lord"[/b] - and no Muslim has come forward to deny the fact. One of these days, when the denial is made, then I will post the relevenat references for all to see![/Quote]Pilgrim.1 must be full of t. First show us a verse of Quran or hadith where Muhammad is regarded as Lord, or Partner of Allah. Every muslim calls all Messengers and Prophets (AS), and early muslims masters. In the Salah the Only Master is Allah. When you enter Salah, you do not refer to Sayiddina Muhammad (AS), other than Muhammad (AS), and the Sayiddina in Salah is Allah. He is also the Sultan. In Surah Azhab, Allah starts with "Oh Messenger, fear Allah". Please Pilgrim.1, tell me where Muhammad (AS) says to Allah "You fear me or I dont have to fear you" to Allah. Who protects Allah? Does Allah have a protector, and can Muhammad be His protector, Pilgrim.1, or you are just a darn Chrsitian missionary peddling your atrocity? Who Protects Muhammad and all believers but Allah? WHo Protects all creation but Allah? Silly Pilgrim.1. Liar I dare say.



[Quote]For now, I just wanted to leave you a small quote to show that within the Hadiths ("Sahih" - authentic and undeniable), Muhammad is referred together with 'Allah' as "protector" - that is, MASTER![/Quote]It is Allah Who honored Muhammad (AS) in the Quran saying, "I shall not punish them while you are with them; the Makkan idolaters." And we know what befell them in the Battle of Badr when Muhammad (AS) was no longer with them.



[Quote] (b) There are issues which 'Allah' never commanded and which cannot be found in the Qur'an - and yet, Muhammad commanded such things among Muslims. The problem there is that one is forced to ask if Muhammad came to preach himself or he came preaching 'Allah' alone?
[/Quote]If nothing at all, Pilgrim.1 should have read the Farewell Address of Muhammad (AS), where he declare "Allah I have delivered Your Message to Your people, Oh Muslim bear witness that I did". And all said yeah, he did. Where in there did he say I delivered our Message, or something that clouds your mind to make you arrive at the subtle lies you arrived at? You think we are like you who cant differentiate between God Almighty and His Prophet delivering His Message to the people he is sent to deliver it to? A prophet is a mouth piece and tool of God to people, delivering message and living out the message.



[Quote]The real issue here is this: WHO actually is the one who gave Muslims more commandments to obey - 'Allah' or Muhammad? If it so happens that Muhammad gave much more commandments than 'Allah' did, does it not clearly point out the fact that one is subordinate to the other.
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-96685.0.html[/QUote]Allah gave Quran. Hadith and Sunnah explain Quran. Oh liar Pilgrim.1, explain yourself here and now. Did Muhammad make his own rules, outside the Rule of Allah? Of course not. So what are you talking about? Muslims are commanded to make salah. Muhammad (AS) was the foremost among his community. What kind of stupidity are you displaying here, Pilgrim.1? If you hate Islam, we already understand that since you are not a muslim and Islam rubbish your concept of MAN AS GOD, GOD WITH PARTNERSHIP. But a bold face lie is unexpected in honest discussion. Sorry I forgot you cant be honest, about anything as long as it is RELIGION, specifically Islam.

My brother Vedaxcool; As sSalaamualaykum wa Rahmatullah. May Allah reward you for your struggle against the lies of Shaytan's associaye, Tonye-T. Allah says in Surah Najm to Muhammad (AS) and by extension to us to struggle against the disbelievers (The likes of Tonye-T), with this Quran.


@Tonye-T: You asked if I believe in the words of hadiths, with a yes or no answer. My answer is in the case of the Shaytan and the women and all that comes from the Prophet, which must agree with the Quran, yes.


Anything that does not agree with the Quran and does not come from the Prophet, no.


Now, proof the Superstition, since I said yes to the hadiths on Shaytan your boss and the women your fornication partners.

Whatever your dialect or language is in Nigeria, I already abuse you in it. This way, you need to know that you must proof the Superstition in the Hadiths of Satan, then the Hadith about Women.


ODE; Thats Yoruba for dunce.

@Tonye-T [QUote]rather saying women is a bad omen is sure a superstition.[/Quote]And I have been asking you this EWU (Igbo word) to proof it all morning long.

IDIOT of a man. ONYIOCHI.

Maybe ^^^ this is to get your attention, mind wondering all over the place nitwit.


Now Proof the SUPERSTITION: STUPID.

After I deal with your ignorance, I will probably leave NL. I dont wanna leave it until shame you in your lies.


If I see you in Nigeria, I will debate it with you in your Village, in front of the elders so that they can ship you like the dog you are for disgracing them in the world view. OYA. I now return to my Yoruba nature in Islam.

@Reindeer: « #5 on: Yesterday at 07:28:01 PM »
[Quote]Poor women over there.
Their aspirations limited, they will always be second class in such climes.[/Quote]America has not elected a woman president or vice president, yet. What are all these closet male chauvinistic talking about. Islam says the truth, while the hypocritical "others" minds, lie to the rest of the world, about their true position concerning women.

We know that most women because of maternal instinct, are very emotional. This simple but complex natural ingredient in the lives of the female gender is very crucial, while it is by and large absent in male. For illustration purpose only; Candidate was elected as President Elect, the very same day his beloved grandmother died. When he gave his speech, he didnt show a hint of emotion. I am not saying it is a noble trait, but how many women can do exactly that?

I am a man and I will break down in the same situation.

@Yommyuk: « #156 on: Today at 12:20:10 AM »
[Quote]The book of Revelation 5:2 stated " And I saw a strong angel, who shouted with a loud voice: Who is worthy to break the seals on this scroll and open it? According to the bible, this scroll contains details of God's plan for the world. Divine knowledge beyond human understanding (Psalm 139:6)
Verse 3 tells us that "But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll and read it. The only person that was given divine authority to open it is in Verse 5 "The Lion of Judah, the heir to David's throne, who won the victory. He alone is worthy to open the scroll and its seven seals. Verse 7 tells us that the only person who stepped forward and took the scroll from the right hand of the one sitting on the throne was the Lamb. Remember the Jews expected(still expecting Cry) the Messiah to appear as a conquering Lion instead Jesus Christ came as a lamb.(John 1:29-34) "The lamb of God who takes the sins of the world away" Testimony of John the baptist.

Revelation 5:11

"Then I looked again, and I heard the voices of thousands and millions of angels around the throne and of the living beings and the elders. And they sangin a mighty chorus:"WORTHY IS THE LAMB WHO WAS SLAUGHTERED TO RECIEVE POWER AND RICHES AND WISDOM AND STRENGTH AND HONOR AND GLORY AND BLESSING"

Revelation 5:13

And then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea. They sang " BLESSING AND HONOR AND GLORY AND POWER BELONG TO THE ONE SITTING ON THE THRONE AND TO THE LAMB FOREVER AND EVER"[/QUote]After al of the lies of Revelations which Jesus had nothing to do with, the embellishments of the Gospels; John, Luke, Mark, Matthew, and the Acts and Epistles, Muhammad (AS) came in the process of Leading to Absolute Truth, he went to heavens and beyond and return to earth on the same night, and continue his mission, correcting, praying God, glorifying in proper measures, all Messengers and Prophets (AS), which include Jesus son of Mary, by what he heard from Allah, alone, through Jibril (AS) for the most part that he repeated, living it to the last jot.



[Quote]My question is who is he that sits on the throne? Who is the Lamb? I think the answer is obvious Cool

JESUS CHRIST MY LORD!

Jesus Christ is alive and kicking, Mohammed is dead and gone.[/Quote]Alhamdulillah for the Miracles of Allah on each.The state of Jesus in heaven is not known to you, yommyuk. Maybe, you are one of these people who fantasize about what you dont know and say it is in your alley. Muhammad (AS) is dead like all Messengers and Prophets who died. It is the Decree of Allah on each of them. What do we expect a Messenger to do after he delivered the message; hang around doing nothing?

@RTonye-T: [Quote]Must your post always come up this daft?when i saw 'your post i easily summed up that you'were that pigless eater of a guy who ends up talking rubbish in a bid to defend a baseless religion Grin Grin. . . like seriously. . .dont you understand simple and comprehensive english?

Please where did/have i said that Omen means the same thing as superstition? Rather my claims about your prophet Mo's declarations and stance about Women are merely supersititions. get it!

Good a thing you even defined superstitions as: a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causation

meaning your prophet found his religion out of his ignorance and practise resulting from false conceptions. . .at least u said so and not me Grin Grin[/QUote]I got it, since you said Omen is not Superstition even though this was your leaning as you quipped in response to Seyibrown.


Now proof the superstition of the hadith of the Messenger (AS) about Satan, and abut women as SUPERSTITION. Please give evidence[s]. One will be enough. But since you are talking to Satan, get alot of proofs from him. Silly mind you have. I need to remind you that often, because the man you are "Chilling in him", according to your ID was played 4 times by satan and one of his closed associates he called satan. So which one is Superstition, since many of you have argued that Peter was not Satan; what The Prophet Said anbout satan or what happened to Jesus in the hand of satan and what he said to Peter?


You answer and explanation, please?

Whats wrong with the brain of Tonye-T? Did you at least finished Primary School?

Is Omen, Good or Bad equal to Superstition, you empty good for nothing in shape of human being? Now there is is question mark, what you wanted have been given you. Now answer my question retard.

You have been dancing around, running as if you will exit this earth before Allah Wills it on you. You are mine, until Allah Makes other decisions on you. You said the hadith about Satan came about because of Superstition. You now say superstition is equal to bad Omen. proof both.

Choose your poison, cattle. You are even worse, because cattle even acknowledges its owner. Proof that Bad Omen is Equal to Superstition.


When you have nailed yourself by your failure, go to Superstition and Satan in the hadith. I have had enough of your childish pranks. You cant proof either you are a darn loser. And your fate awaits you in hell fire.

Islam in importance to human life, is preferred over and above tribe, which is second. Hence, muslim is one body, when one part hurts or is not in harmony with Islam, the whole muslims are affected, those who truly have Iman and consciousness of Allah in them.

I remember my school days, where a student from Turkey was dating a white christian. i had to walk up to her that not only dating was wrong, because it leads to out of marriage sex, but a christian will demand it from you quicker than the time you say i love you.

I can see where my brother Ismael86 is coming from. no one says there are no bad eggs among muslims. the poster got a bad egg and he cant live it down. even the bad egg is holding back from him therefore seem to me that he is in worse shape than he is letting us know about.

only a loose muslim woman, indeed women in general will expose her jewels to every man that comes for it, especially the type of the poster who is shameless in his pursuit of continuous sex before marriage. maybe he already secured his place in christian heaven, hence he can commit as much fornication as possible.

in the south where i hail from, no real father or mother or brother or family member wants their daughter to be the tramp of the young men in town. may Allah return the women into their senses, and the men to know that they wouldnt do to women of other people what they wouldnt want others do so egregeously with impunity to their family females. you want the woman, poster, seek her hand in lawful marriage.

@Aletheia: The Prophet saw the Throne (Arash) of Allah, which is the ceiling of Paradise. The Throne is the largest creation of Allah in size; Allah did not create anything bigger in size than it. The seven heavens and the earth in comparison to the Kursiyy, are like a ring thrown in a desert, and the Kursiyy in comparison to the Throne, is like a ring thrown in a desert.

The seven heavens and the earth in comparison to the Throne are like a seed of mustard compared to the ocean. Allah created the Throne as a sign of His Power and He did not create the Throne to sit on it. Allah created the Throne to show His Power. It is carried by four angels, and on the Day of Judgment, it will be carried by eight. The Prophet said he was permitted to speak about one of these angels who carry the Throne.

In describing this angel, the Prophet told us the distance between his ear lobe and shoulder is the distance a fast-flying bird would cover in 700 years. Then the Prophet ascended beyond Paradise. He reached a place where he heard the creaking of the pens used by the angels who are copying from the Preserved Tablet. It is at that location Prophet Muhammad heard the Kalam of Allah, which is an attribute of the Self of Allah. He heard the Kalam of Allah which does not resemble our speech–so it is not something that occurs bit after bit. It is not letter after letter or a word that comes after another word. Rather, it is an attribute of Allah which is eternal and everlasting. It does not resemble our attributes. The Kalam of Allah has neither silence nor interruptions. It is an attribute of Allah, and it does not resemble the attributes of the creation.



Aletheia, Olaadegbu, etc: Look at the bold. You are saying the One Who is Uniquely Capable of these ^^^^, brcomes a human being and other humans killed him? Stop and think, men.

^^^ The three are chasing after one another. None of them is on the right guidance.

if i were to have been ashamed or to deny correct of 'hadith', because it makes islam look bad in the eye of her enemy, the one to choose was the one i defended against tonye-t and the muslim brother who was condemning all hadiths.

@Seyibrown: 2. The Sahihs of Bukhari and Muslim.
[Quote]Of all the works of Hadith the Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim are regarded as the most authentic and authoritative. Indeed the very word sahih means "accredited". Of these two the collection of Abu Abdallah Muhammad ibn Ismail al-Bukhari has pride of place as the most highly regarded work of Hadith literature.


He devoted more than one-fourth of his life to the actual compilation of his work, and at the end produced his epoch-making book which is accepted by most of the traditionists as the most authentic work in Hadith literature, and which is considered by the Muslims in general as an authority next only to the Qur'an. (Siddiqi, Hadith Literature, p.89).
Bukhari's complete collection was only recently translated into English for the first time by one Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan of the Islamic University at Medina. His most welcome contribution has increased the English-speaking student's access to the historical records of Islam. The whole collection has been published in an interlinear Arabic-English form in nine volumes.[/QUote]The bold does not imply that if they disagree with the Quran and also does not start with "The Messenger of Allah said such and such", that it will accepted. It is because these two were the best among the many, and it does not mean that there is no good in the others, too.

In al my statement, There is no place I said Hadith without its agreement with the Quran is acceptable. If you want to say that a woman who is not a Balagh (mature) can be married in Islam, its your warped understanding of direct reading that is at work there. Every muslim who is sane knows what maturity is; wet dream, age 15, pubic hair, breasts, monthly menses, are signs. if a woman reaches one of them or combination, she is matured. and no one should force marriage on anyone, that young if she does not and when older she should not be forced, too.

@Seyibrown: « #201 on: Today at 07:37:51 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on October 31, 2010, 07:13 PM
@Chyz1: As sSalaamualaykum wa Rahmatullah, first.

Is there a need for Hadith? Yes.
Proof; There is no where in the Quran that the rakah of any Salah is mentioned. Not Fajr. Not Dhur. Not Asr. Not Magrib. Not isha.
You know about them from hadith.

It is from hadith that you know that Wudhu can have 3 times of watching of the face, the arms that Allah mentioned in the Quran.

It is from Hadith that you know that the feet can be washed, and not wiped as Allah said, when you are not wearing anything over your feet when you lost it and want to make a fresh one.

It is the hadith that tells you how long you can have your feet covered,when you are home and when you are in a journey before washing your feet, again, when you make fresh Wudhu.

It is the hadith that tells you that in wudhu, you can wash your hand, rinse your muth, sniff your nose, clean your ears, three times, except in the ears. It is from the Hadith that you know that you can wet your beard after washing your feet in wudhu.

It is in the hadith you know how to make Qudhul (showering). Shaving your private part, trimming of the armpit hairs, finger and toe nails, etc are from Hadith.

It is from Hadith you know how to sleep and not sleep on your stomach.

It is from hadith you know about Miswak, entering using and leaving the toilet. Eating your meals and combing of your hair, including oiling it, perfuming your body, etc are all from Hadith.

Quran says "Obey Allah and obey the Messenger". Quran says "Whatever the Messenger gives you take it. Whatever he forbids you stay away from it". Quran says "Answer the Messenger when he calls you for what will bring you life". Quran says "If you Love Allah, Obey the Messenger and Allah will Love you and shall Make your affairs right, and shall have Mercy on you".

Is there any of these you disagree with?

And as to if slam will be incomplete or if Quran is Incomplete, is not what I have said. Neither is deficient. What I am saying however is that the Sunnah of Muhammad (AS) can't be discarded because you have some Kafiruun making fun of what they dont know, since the Jinn named Iblis, Shaitan has deluded them to think Shaytan is not waylaying believers in every which way he can.

Read Surah Jinn, my dear brother. It is powerful. Iblis, Shaytan is working on his own kind in nature, the Jinn, the reason they are not all muslims. Your Jinn cant be muslim if you are as a "Ins" a disbeliever. As a believer, you have to be working constantly on yourself so that your Jinn does not delude you out of Islam.


If Shaytan deceived our father Adam (AS), after refusing to obey the command of prostration to Adam, do we think that from Surah Araf (the Height) that Shaytan will not be doing all he can to seduce us?

I am on the side of Muhammad bin Abdullah, Rasulullah (AS).

You accept the instructions concerning 'rakah of any Salah' (and the rest as you quoted)despite it not mentioned in the Quran but in the Hadith, yet you told me on our thread that any Hadith that says different from the Quran is incorrect! This makes me think that your classification of any Hadith that portrays the truth about Mohammed's sexually immoral life as incorrect is an attempt to pull the wool over other people's eyes.

How is/are the Hadith(s) that you refer to above more valid than any other Hadith that records that Mohammed consummated his marriage with Aisha when she was 9 years old? If you can fault one Hadith, why should the other Hadiths be taken as gospel truth? Please also consider the extract below[/Quote]You asked a valid question, here and above, in my last post, I stated what makes a saying a hadith before we even begin to wonder if it is true, or false, etc. Every hadith must START with "The Messenger of Allah said so and so". Tell me if the the hadith you are trumping on here says "The Messenger of Allah said so and so"?

Finally, as a yoruba woman, whether you are married or not, you would have been saved from this Yoruba muslim man. And that quality of your safety is not gotten from Oduduwa or Awolowo, but my consciousness of the Presence of Allah,based on what Muhammad (AS) taught me.

@Seyibrown; « #197 on: Today at 04:20:48 PM »
[Quote]Explain Hadiths and their relevance to Islam (and muslims), please! I would love to speak 'knowledgeably' on Hadiths but Sweetnecta has only managed to muddle it all up with his 'tuface' stance and hasn't succeeded in giving any clear explanation on why he has two opinions on the relevance of Hadiths![/Quote]I dont know whats tuface about me saying that one hadith is not true because it lacks the most important qualification; disagreeing with the Quranic verse it seems to be related to. There are other qualifications too; it must always come from Muhammad (AS), who said such and such in the presence of his companion[s] for this reason and that reason. Such a companion [ra] narrated the hadith to such and such in the next generation, who narrated to such and such in the following generation, who narrated it to such and such, until the chain of narration reached the one[s] who narrated it to the collector of the said hadith.

Other qualifications, will include the veracity of each of the narrators, their memory, and honesty or trustworthiness, etc. In the case of the hadith of which claims that Aisha [ra] said that she was a 6 year old when she entered into contract of marriage and 9 when the marriage was consummated between her the wife and her husband, the messenger, could have been almost accepted, except there are many aspects of that "hadith" that makes it doubtful, in my eye and am not alone in this. First, I am not ashamed of my Islam and my messenger [as] is the best role model that i know; he combined the best and the truth of all messengers and prophets [as] in one singular package, him and demonstrated it by living according to the Quran, and his sirah [life history], is the most impressive of all who had walked the surface of this earth. He taught us by excellence in his examples as a living Quran. It is through his unwavering commitment to responsibility that  know that Jesus was a Messenger, Prophet [AS}, because, easily I could have followed the thought pattern of the Jews, since I know God is not a man, or human like me and using the christian's mindset against the Islam of Muhammad, I will take the older of the two between christianity and judaism.

It is therefore, reasonable for me to look into the Quran and see that Aisha has to be a Balagh (Mature) before she can be taken as a bride. We therefore also know from the so called hadith about her age that she said she participated in the formulating the marital contract. How many 6 years old have the mental acumen  to do this, except that Aisha was a special woman, rightly so.What disqualifies the 6 years old age argument is that her father was a famous muslim, a neighbor of the messenger, even before Islam. He, Abu Bakr (RA) was the first adult male after the messenger and the first outside the family member of Muhammad (AS) to accept islam. He accepted it with all members of his family, in the first few month of the beginning of Prophethood, except two person; his older son and a wife who happened to be the mother of Aisha. Abu Bakr was such a strong revert that he divorce his wife and son who refused to enter Islam with him.

A man that convinced should not be expected to sneak in the back door to have sex with a woman even before it became prohibition, to have, 13 or 14 years later, he divorced her, keeping with him the children, a daughter and a son they had. In the heat of the oppression of Muslims by Makkans, Abu Bakr thought it was better that he left for Abyssinia a country that was the nearest haven for the msulims. This decision made him approached the family that had engaged Aisha for their son. Abu Bakr was going to leave her in their care, instead of her mother. Is such a child a child unborn or alive, and how can she remain a little girl, especially if her father care so much so to not allow her mother to keep her as a divorced woman, but wiling to let her be absorbed into the family of the future husband?

Considering the fact that her older sister Asma'a was a teenager when revelation began was only 10 years older than her, we cant say she was born after the beginning of Islam, otherwise we would have heard about the naming ceremony, hence she in view of all of the above cant be a 9 year old,may look it because she was very frail, when the consummation of the marriage took place. 17, or 15 could have been the least of her age, except that she could not be less than 15, since she was before the revelation which enjoyed a 13 years of its 23 in Makka, before Hijr to Madina for the last 10, and consummation of the marriage did not take place until the second year in Madina. We cant say a husband who nurtured his wife for three yars without having sex with her is SEXUALLY IMMORAL.

@Tonye-T: [Quote]" Bad omen is in the woman, . . . [/Quote]It seems to me that you are saying that OMEN is the same as SUPERSTITION?

Definition of Omen: 1. A phenomenon supposed to portend good or evil; a prophetic sign.
2. Prognostication; portent: birds of ill omen.
tr.v. o·mened, o·men·ing, o·mens
To be a prophetic sign of; portend.


Definition of Superstition: a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causation
b : an irrational abject attitude of mind toward the supernatural, nature, or God resulting from superstition
2
: a notion maintained despite evidence to the contrary


Tonye-T, you do have some education, and english wrongly so in my own opinion is the official language of Nigeria, anation you claim to come from.Now tell me if by the two definitions, above that OMEN IS EQUAL TO SUPERSTITION? Open your eyes, and tell me which one of them has the word PROPHETIC in, if not OMEN?



@Seyibrown: SHow me a place, ever that I said "All hadith are correct or Important as if to imply its correctness since it is hadith". Then I will apologize and say very loudly that am an ignorant man. If you cant, then woman up and move forward to Islam, and stop worshiping "MADE".

@Mazaje, Seyibrown, Davidylan, Aletheia, Almuhandis,etc of Atheists, Agnostics, Christians: Read the growing of teeth in the mouth of a Poet that The Messenger of Allah prayed for: It is # 11, below. If Muhammad prayed, the said prayer is accepted, meaning answered. If a man had lost a limb among his companion, and it was so willed that the man asked for a new limb, if such a man would have asked and the messenger prayed to Allah for it, it would have regenerated, just like the teeth were continuously regenerating because of the prayer from the messenger. [/b]There is difference between truth which is always One, and lies which changes based on who is being told.


Tradition narrators, including Imam Bukhari, report that [b]God’s Messenger prayed for ‘Urwa ibn Abi Ja‘da to profit in business. ‘Urwa says: “Sometimes I would go to Kufa’s market and return home in the evening having earned 40,000 (dirhams).” Imam Bukhari remarks: ‘If he had taken a little soil in his hand, he would have gained a profit from it.'[7] ‘Abdullah ibn Ja‘far, for whom God’s Messenger prayed for abundance, became famous because of his great wealth. He was as well-known for his generosity as he was for his riches.[8]

The above-mentioned miracles are enough to illustrate this point. Imam Tirmidhi and other Traditionists report that God’s Messenger prayed for Sa‘d ibn Abi Waqqas: “O God, answer his prayer.”[9] After that, Sa‘d became famous for having his prayers accepted. In addition, everyone feared his malediction. God’s Messenger also prayed that Abu Qatada might remain young, saying: “May God prosper your face. O God, bless his hair and skin.” When Abu Qatada died at the age of 70, he seemed to be as young as a 15-year-old boy.[10]

Once the poet Nabigha recited a poem of his in the presence of God’s Messenger. When he recited the couplet:
Our honor and praise have reached the skies;
We want to ascend even higher!

the Messenger asked him, jokingly: “To where, O Abu Layla?” He replied: “To Paradise, O Messenger of God.” Afterwards, he recited another meaningful poem and the Messenger of God prayed: “May God not deform your mouth.” As a result, Nabigha had all of his teeth when he reached the great age of 120 years. Whenever he lost a tooth, a new one would appear in its place.[11]]

God’s Messenger prayed for Imam ‘Ali: “O God, suffice him against heat and cold.” As a result, Imam ‘Ali felt neither cold nor heat even if he habitually wore winter clothing in summer or summer clothing in winter. He said: “I do not suffer from cold or heat, thanks to the Prophet’s prayer.”[12] God’s Messenger also prayed for Fatima: “O God, do not let her suffer from hunger.” Fatima said: “I never suffered from hunger after his prayer.”[13]

Tufayl ibn ‘Amr once asked the Messenger to perform a miracle for his tribe. The Messenger prayed: “O God, provide light for him.” A light appeared between Tufayl’s eyes, which was later transferred to the end of a stick. This caused him to be known as Dhu al-Nur (possessor of light).[14]

These are some well-known events that have acquired certitude. Abu Hurayra once complained to the Messenger about forgetfulness. The Messenger told him to spread a piece of cloth on the ground. He then made some movements as if filling his hands with invisible things and emptying them on the cloth. After doing this three or four times, he told Abu Hurayra to pick it up. Thereafter Abu Hurayra, as he later swore by God, never forgot anything.[15]

Fourth example: Under severe persecutions, God’s Messenger sometimes had to refer the state of the persecutors to God:

First:: The Persian Chosroes, Parwiz, tore up the letter sent to him by the Prophet. When he heard this, the Prophet prayed: “O God, rend him and his rule as he rent my letter.” As a result, Parwiz was killed by his own son (Shirwiya) with a dagger, and Sa‘d ibn Abi Waqqas tore his kingdom into pieces, causing the Sassanid Empire to collapse completely.[16] The Emperor of Byzantium and the rulers of other states did not perish, for they respected the Prophet’s letters.

Second: A famous mutawatir Tradition states, and Qur’anic verses point out, that in the early days of Islam when God’s Messenger prayed at the Ka‘ba, the Qurayshi leaders would gather around him and treat him very badly. He had to refer their state to God. Ibn Mas‘ud remarks: “I swear by God that I saw all of their corpses after the Battle of Badr.”[17]

Third: God’s Messenger prayed that the large Mudar tribe would endure famine, since they had contradicted him. Rain stopped, and drought and famine struck the Mudar. When the Quraysh, a sub-clan of the Mudar, asked God’s Messenger to pray for rain, he did so and thereby ended the drought and famine.[18] This event is considered mutawatir.

[Quote]« #154 on: November 07, 2010, 09:51 PM »
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seyibrown:
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Please allow me to come back to this paragraph with scriptural proof that he had sex with women (and encouraged his counterparts/followers to do the same) captured on raids.

sweetnecta:
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You got it.

Surah 4:24 And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that ye seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery. And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done).

Ishaq, pgs 509-528
- When 60 year Mohammed came out after spending an eventful night with 17 year old Safia, widow of murdered Khayber chief Kinana, he found Ayub Ansari guarding the tent. He asked why was he guarding the tent all night. He replied "apostle of Allah, you killed Safia's husband, brothers and father yesterday and were sleeping with her last night. I was worried about your safety. Mohammed was happy to hear that and prayed for Ayub.

Can you please tell me whether Saffiyah, whose father, husband and other members of her family were killed in a raid agreed to marry and have intimacy with Mohammed on the same night of her capture! Please tell me why Ayub was afraid for Mohammed.[/Quote]Seyibrown, you are too (two) emotional, the reason you cant correspond the new position of Saffiyah our mother (RA), into the above Quranic verse. WHo lived the very life of a revelation to the T and Jot of that revelation but the prophet whom the revelation was given. God is One, Jesus lived it and command others to live it, actualize it in their lives, except you and those christians, aletheia is one of them, so is Tonye_T and Nuclearboy and Davidyan, and etc, etc.

Am not even a prophet and I do not have intimacy with a woman I am not married to and I dont even force myself on my wife. Her no means no. WHo do you think I got that quality from; Oduduwa, Awolowo, who but Muhammad (AS), who transferred to his companions, then they to the next generation, then to the next until it reached my late father )ra) who transferred it to me. And you know how easy it is fora nigerian man to get lost within fine Nigerian women; yet i restrict myself. Allah's Messenger said that there is no single adultery in his bloodline, coming all the way from Adam (AS) to him. If this is true, we should now ask how was Adam and his mate Hawa husband and wife, except that Allah ordained it as He wished, physical dowry or not. Adam was a prophet to his wife, his children, his bloodline until he passed and another prophet (Idris (AS)) was sent to a much bigger community now.

Then relate the same condition with Muhammad (AS) and his wife Safiyyah (RA), mother of believer, who the prophet told to respond to those who called her "Yahud" (Jew, a derogatory name a muslim call children of israel, even though it is Jew they call themselves), that she is a honored woman who had Haruun as father and Musa for uncle, both being Prophet (AS), though Musa was a Messenger along with it. Allah's messenger used to tell the muslims not to fast without take a break of eating after the sunset, as he used to do, saying to them that he being a prophet is fed specially by Allah, with food not physical. The marriage between him and my mother Saffiyah was officiated by The One WHo Alone is Enough as Witness; Allah. And did Saffiyah (RA) complained, even after the messenger passed, remarried or was satisfied with her position as Wife of prophet, Mother of believers?




[Quote]Also, please tell me how Zainab (of Jahsh), Mohammed's adopted son's wife became someone Mohammed could have sexual relations with.[/Quote]Am a father of young males. These are my children from my body through legal relationship. If I love a boy and adopted him and calls me father and i call him son, I at least know that my blood is not in his vein, even if he does not know. If he knows that the blood in his vein is not from me, that makes two of us in the know. I am very certain that there is a father out there who can demand that this boy is his, saying, in truth that the blood in his vein is from him. This man will be correct, and my claiming that the boy is my son is artificial at best, a man made idea, while the accurate claim is from the other man. The only boys I do have claim[s] on are those whose mother got pregnant because of my spermatozoa interaction with her egg to produce each or them in pregnancy[ies]. This is the case with Zayd Harith (RA), a slave of khadijah (RA) which she gave as a wedding gift to her young virgin husband (AS). Zaynab was a daughter of his uncle, hence she was his first cousin. You will agree that it is better to marry a virgin than none virgin, whatever your gender is, specifically, men desire virgins.

If he didnt marry her as a virgin, instead talked her into marrying his former slave who he adopted as a son after the boy preferred him over his own father who demanded his return, hence Muhammad (AS) openly went to the precinct of the Kaaba to declare that he is now the father of former slave Zayd, who is now a free son of Muhammad (AS). What a honor bestowed on Zayd, who loved the messenger so. In time, Zaynab didnt see Zayd as a son but the former slave which she knew his history, similar to the yoruba saying "Ti a ba kaa eru, inu eru aa ba je". The marriage had its chronic problems which made it unrepairable, as Allah has wished to use this condition to kill the artificial relationship that is not natural that happens in Adoption. Allah says to the Muslims "Muhammmad is not the father of any of you men (remember he lost all his sons, and there was a daughter that survived him?), rather he was the last of all Messengers, a seal of prophethood." Allah ordained Muhammad to grant the unhappy spouses their freedom from each other, and to later marry the ex wife, making what is artificial finally dead forever.

Lets look at the wisdom behind this; a person who is adopted, in your eye looses a family which he/she is no more a member of, but member of the new family. Can he marry from the new family, you will certainly say no. Can he marry from the family he is no more a member of, i do hope you will say no, since he is carries the blood. But if there are just these two families that he or she has suitors from, which one is truly forbidden for him, but the one he/she has its blood flowing in his vein? Which one he is likely to inherit its natural nature; diseases, etc, but the one that he/she carries its blood.




[Quote]In fact, could you please tell me briefly, how Mohammed came to have sexual relationships with all this Women, whether they were slaves, captured, concubines etc: Khadija, Sawda, Ayesha, Omm Salama, Hafsa, Juwariya, Omm Habiba, Maymuna (of Hareth), Fatima, Hend, Asma (of Saba), Zainab (of Khozayma), Habla, Asma (of Noman), Maria, Rayhana, Omm Sharik, Maymuna (not of Hareth) , Zainab (the third one), Khawla, Duba.[/Quote]Each one of his wives, he married legally. Some to forment tribal alliance with the young muslim community. Others to honor them since they lost their hisbands and no suitors coming to marry them after. I'm not sure if he married a Fatima, because that was the name of the child who survived him, and she later died 6 month after (RA).




[Quote]If you choose not to respond to this bit about Mohammed's perception of a Moral life, I will not touch on the matter again on this thread. One thing is certain, he led a sexually immoral life and encouraged his followers. Followers of Mohammed are expected to Emulate him.[/Quote]
When did your husband lose his virginity? You disvirgined him or some other woman beat you to it? Ask him how old he was when he did and how many women he slept with before you found each other? I am not starting a third world war between you and he, since i didnt ask if he was your first. A man who was a virgin at 25, who married for the first time as a virgin, a twice married woman who is 15 years his senior, all before he received revelation telling him even at that that sexual immorality is not allowed, cant be declared by anyone in this 21 Century or even centuries past. Muslim men and women are encouraged in commandment to preserve their chastity, cover themselves, lower their gazes, and be sexually moral and modest.

I being a nigerian man who knows how african women are shaped, since women in my family are all yoruba nigerian african, i restrict my urge of free lunches from their friends, especially the christians who who will drop it like its bomb shell. Please Seyi, dont let us front out here. We are both nigerian and the yorubas say ole lo mo ese ole to lori apata. If a muslim is sexually immoral, he or she is not getting it from the Quran or from the Messenger. We cant say the same for christians, since there is not crime and punishment attached to it as it is in ISlam.




[Quote]This bit I would definitely want you to explain: How he died from being poisoned by one of his captured 'sex slave' women?[/Quote]
If a woman was captured and she has sex with her master, often, yet resented him, she will show a sign of disloyalty, enough that she will be watched by the master that this woman is truly my enemy. How can such a slave, captive who is a minority in the community which she is an enemy of one of them can lay her hand on poison so that she can use it on her master? I am building a case against you of your assertion that the Jewel was a captive living in the household of the Messenger who was having sex with her. The truth is far and different from what you said, here. Evidently, you didnt research it, you just copied it from where ever you copied it from since it is within your intention to shoot it at the target; Muhammad (AS).

Well you missed, my a wide margin. Below is the ahadith, and the reason I believed it is that it is in agreement with the Quran; an enemy among mankind and prophet after his prophetic mission will have to go, either by death as almost all of them, or by lifting up as I know and believe of Isa bin Maryam (AS), and your Bible even said of Elijah or Elisha, the one who was lifted up, chariot and all; below is a compilation on the subject matter, from one of my brothers on Nairaland, named Abuzola (May Allah reward you for your effort, my dear brother), in post # 1831 under title; The Death of Prophet Muhammad (p. b. u. n): Question And Answer.
Compiled by Abuzola
Many controversies ensued after the Prophet"s death and am going to give answer to them:

Question: Was the Prophet really poisoned ?

Answer: Yes he was poisoned.
From Bukhari's Hadith 4.394: Narrated Abu Huraira: When Khaibar was conquered, a roasted poisoned sheep was presented to the Prophet as a gift (by the Jews). The Prophet ordered, "Let all the Jews who have been here, be assembled before me." The Jews were collected and the Prophet said (to them), "I am going to ask you a question. Will you tell the truth?" They said, "Yes." The Prophet asked, "Who is your father?" They replied, "So-and-so." He said, "You have told a lie; your father is so-and-so." They said, "You are right." He said, "Will you now tell me the truth, if I ask you about something?" They replied, "Yes, O Abu Al-Qasim; and if we should tell a lie, you can realize our lie as you have done regarding our father." On that he asked, "Who are the people of the (Hell) Fire?" They said, "We shall remain in the (Hell) Fire for a short period, and after that you will replace us." The Prophet said, "You may be cursed and humiliated in it! By Allah, we shall never replace you in it." Then he asked, "Will you now tell me the truth if I ask you a question?" They said, "Yes, O Abu Al-Qasim." He asked, "Have you poisoned this sheep?" They said, "Yes." He asked, "What made you do so?"

They said, "We wanted to know if you were a liar in which case we would get rid of you, and if you are a prophet then the poison would not harm you." Read on through. While you are at it, did you notice the messenger [as] telling the Jews that muslims will not replace them, the Jews, in hellfire, since they believe that they will be in it for a short time, part of their arrogance in belief, and are aware that hell will have to consume humans, since they have already believed that christians are idol worshipers, anyhow, it is the muslims that they are seeing as their rivals in the true belief of the One God. Davidylan, and all those who think that muslims will enter hell and Muhammad (AS) does not know where he is going, the hadith above proof you wrong since you will not even accept what the Quran says, how will you accept this, now?

Q: But why did the Prophet eat it, didn"t Allah revealed to him that it was poisoned ?
A: It is the decree of ALLAH for Muhammad to devour it and Bishr a companion of the Prophet to die of it. See what Allah said pertaining this: [ Quran 13:38] And, indeed, WE sent Messengers before thee, and WE gave them wives and children. And it is not possible for a Messenger to bring a Sign save by the command of ALLAH. For every matter there is a decree from Allah.

Here is how they ate it, the Prophet still display his prophetic gift

Sahih Bukhari

From Ibn Sa'd :

Verily a Jewish woman presented poisoned (meat of) a she goat to the apostle of Allah. He took a piece form it, put it into his mouth, chewed it and threw it away. Then he said to the Companions: "Halt! Verily, its leg tells me that it is poisoned." Then he sent for the Jewish woman and asked her; "What induced you to do what you have done?" She replied, "I wanted to know if you are true; in that case Allah will surely inform you, and if you are a liar I shall relieve the people of you."

From Ibn Sa'd

The apostle of Allah and his companions ate from it. It (goat) said: "I am poisoned." He [Muhammad] said to his Companions, "Hold you hands! because it has informed me that it is poisoned!" They withdrew their hands, but Bishr Ibn al-Bara expired. The apostle of Allah sent for her (Jewess) and asked her, "What induced you to do what you have done?" She replied, "I wanted to know if you are a prophet, in that case it will not harm you and if you are a king, I shall relieve the people of you. He gave orders and she was put to death.

Q:: But they say the poison killed him ?
A: No, the poison didn"t kill him till after three years, you should ask why didn"t the Prophet die at the scene, atlleast Bishr died at that very moment, this also shows that the Prophet is real, read the story: "Today I have perfected your religion for you, and have bestowed upon you the full measure of My blessings, and willed that self-surrender unto Me shall be your way of life."

The Holy Quran, 5:3

NOTE: According to all available traditions, the verse above was revealed at Mount Arafat in the afternoon of Friday, the 9th of Dhul-Hijjah, shortly before the death of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Standing in prayer at Arafat on the 9th of Dhul-Hijjah, is considered the most important part of Hajj.

Bukhari

From Ibn Sa'd

, When the apostle of Allah conquered Khaibar and he had peace of mind, Zaynab Bint al-Harith the brother of Marhab, who was the spouse of Sallam Ibn Mishkam, inquired, "Which part of the goat is liked by Muhammad?" They said, "The foreleg." Then she slaughtered one from her goats and roasted it (the meat). Then she wanted a poison which could not fail. , The apostle of Allah took the foreleg, a piece of which he put into his mouth. Bishr took another bone and put it into his mouth. When the apostle of Allah ate one morsel of it Bishr ate his and other people also ate from it. Then the apostle of Allah said, "Hold back your hands! because this foreleg; , informed me that it is poisoned. Thereupon Bishr said, "By Him who has made you great! I discovered it from the morsel I took. Nothing prevented me from emitting it out, but the idea that I did not like to make your food unrelishing. When you had eaten what was in your mouth I did not like to save my life after yours, and I also thought you would not have eaten it if there was something wrong.

Bishr did not rise form his seat but his color changed to that of "taylsan" (a green cloth) and died at the spot., The apostle of Allah sent for Zaynab and said to her, "What induced you to do what you have done?" She replied, "You have done to my people what you have done. You have killed my father, my uncle and my husband, so I said to myself, "If you are a prophet, the foreleg will inform you; and others have said, "If you are a king we will get rid of you."",

The apostle of Allah lived after this three years till in consequence of his pain he passed away. During his illness he used to say, "I did not cease to find the effect of the (poisoned) morsel, I took at Khaibar and I suffered several times (from its effect) but now I feel the hour has come of the cutting of my jugular vein."

Q: Did you just say he died of the poisoned meat ?
A: At the final moment when he did his pilgrimage to makkah (hajj), and the verse saying the religion of Islam is complete, then was the final moment, read this to judge it yourself

"Or did you think that you will enter Paradise without such (trials) that came to those who passed away before you? They were afflicted with severe poverty and ailments and were so shaken that even the Messenger and those who believed along with him said, 'When will come the help of Allah? Yes! Certainly, the help of Allah is near!" [Surah Baqarah 2:214]

From Bukhari's Hadith 5.713:

Narrated Ibn Abbas:

'Umar bin Al-Khattab used to let Ibn Abbas sit beside him, so 'AbdurRahman bin 'Auf said to 'Umar, "We have sons similar to him." 'Umar replied, "(I respect him) because of his status that you know." 'Umar then asked Ibn 'Abbas about the meaning of this Holy Verse:-- "When comes the help of Allah and the conquest of Mecca . . ." (110.1)

Ibn 'Abbas replied, "That indicated the death of Allah's Apostle which Allah informed him of." 'Umar said, "I do not understand of it except what you understand." (note Ibn ABASS WAS THE BEST AMONG THE SAHABAS IN INTERPRETING THE QURAN).

From Tabari Volume 9 page 108:

When the prophet returned to Medina after performing the Pilgrimage of Completion, he began to have a complaint of illness. As travel was allowed (after the pilgrimage), the news of the prophet's illness spread, Then in Muharram the prophet complained of the pain from which he died.

From Ibn Sa'd page 322

Verily, whenever the apostle of Allah fell ill, he asked for recovery, from Allah. But in the illness as a result of which he died, he did not pray for recovery; he used to say, "O soul! What has happened to thee that thou are seeking refuge in every place of refuge?"

Q: May ALLAH reward you abundantly Abuzola, But can"t the Prophet die at once instead of suffering from the poison to die
A: Have you heard pf a word called KAFFARA ? See why the Prophet have to go through the pain

Bukhari's Hadith 5.713:]

From Ibn Sa'd page 294

Umm Bishr [the mother of the Muslim man who also died eating poison], came to the prophet during his illness and said, "O apostle of Allah! I never saw fever like it in any one." The prophet said to her, "Our trial is double and so our reward [in heaven], is double. What do the people say about it [his illness]?" She said, "They say it is pleurisy." Thereupon the apostle said, "Allah will not like to make His apostle suffer from it (pleurisy) because it indicates the possession of Satan, but (my disease is the result of) the morsel that I had taken along your son. It has cut my jugular vein."

From Ibn Sa'd page 294

Umm Bishr [the mother of the Muslim man who also died eating poison], came to the prophet during his illness and said, "O apostle of Allah! I never saw fever like it in any one." The prophet said to her, "Our trial is double and so our reward [in heaven], is double. What do the people say about it [his illness]?" She said, "They say it is pleurisy." Thereupon the apostle said, "Allah will not like to make His apostle suffer from it (pleurisy) because it indicates the possession of Satan, but (my disease is the result of) the morsel that I had taken along your son. It has cut my jugular vein."

From Ibn Hisham page 678:

While matters were thus the apostle began to suffer from the illness by which God took him to what honor and compassion He intended for him shortly before the end of Safar or in the beginning of Rabi'ul-awwal. It began, so I have been told, when he went to Baqi'u'l-Gharqad in the middle of the night and prayed for the dead. Then he returned to his family and in the morning his sufferings began.

Narrated Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (RA):
The messenger of Allah, Muhammed (SAW) said, "Whenever a Muslim is afflicted with a calamity, hardship, sickness, sadness, worry, harm, or depression - even it were the prick from a thorn, Allah expiates his sins because of it"
[Sahih Bukhari & Muslim]

Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah (RA):
Allah's Messenger said, "On the Day of Resurrection, when people who have suffered affliction are given their reward, those who are healthy will wish their skins had been cut to pieces with scissors when they were in the world"
[Al-Tirmidhi]

Q: Thank you Abuzola, May Allah increase your knowledge amin
A: You are welcome




[Quote]You missed that bit when you said he went to heaven in one day and came back? Why did he not resurrect after his death? Or did he?[/Quote]Adam, Idris, Nuh, Ibrahim personal Friend of Allah, Lut, Ismail, Isiaq, Yaqub the soldier of Allah, Yusuf who Yaqub prostrated his face to in Egypt, Musa who spoke to and heard Allah the Almighty, HAruun, Daud who as a boy not yet a "Balagoh (matured) killed a season war veteran Jalut (Lanatullah), Sulayman the wise who Allah subdued the wind, jinn, etc for his usage, Zachariyya who became a father at such an old age, Yahya his son who never had sex (AS to all) all died. According to your Bible, even Elijah or was it Elisha was lifted up to heaven, including his chariot and there is a yoruba christian song about it in this form "hee baba mi, keke isreli ati esin e, a ko le ri won moo o: because they disappeared". Its you who said Jesus died. It is you who said he resurrected. It is you who said he was a God. It is you who said that he was a son of a God, all at the same it. It is you who proposed Trinity. Resurrection of all men will happen in one single event for Judgment Day. Jesus never died. Jesus never resurrected. Jesus hall return to die and be buried. All mankind, again shall resurrect in one single event; Judgment Day.

What you should have asked is if Muhammad saw Paradise and or Hell. I would have said that he saw both. He saw heels of his community members, even (Bilal bin Rabah (RA)) in Paradise.




[Quote]If you think any of these things disgusting - sex with 9 year old Aisha + despoil of captured women + carnal knowledge of his son's wife - and would not think of doing them yourself; then Mohammed is not the one to follow. Sleep on it! And remember the one who would not condone any of those things but offers forgiveness through accepting his son . . . . this son resurrected after his death and offers eternal life to all those who accept him . . . . . and God's Spirit will dwell with them just as the son promised![/Quote]While you are just making things up, I have slept on many things, including different bedding and even ordinary floor. I am with Muhammad (AS), for all the reasons that one should be with the truth. There is no God son or son of God or trinity or human sacrifice and the blood from it as a cleansing. Each of them as an idea is repugnant. There is One WHole God, Fully Capable. It is He that I worship and I follow His Messenger, who is also the Prophet of my time, Muhammad (AS). Is there anyone to follow, today but he alone to success?

Seyi, your case is similar to the case of the Jews who rejected Jesus because of what they expect, while he was what they were expecting. You in the same vein reject Muhammad (AS) because of what you thought he is, while he is not that, but you ignore his place in your life even as you read of his quality of being the spiritual human being called by Jesus as the Another Comforter. Why do I have to follow you into the thicket, whie I see a smooth road laced with street lights, street furniture, like benches, water coolers and fountains and parks to a well deserving destination?

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[Quote]seyibrown:
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Please allow me to come back to this paragraph with scriptural proof that he had sex with women (and encouraged his counterparts/followers to do the same) captured on raids.

sweetnecta:
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You got it.

Surah 4:24 And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that ye seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery. And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done).

Ishaq, pgs 509-528
- When 60 year Mohammed came out after spending an eventful night with 17 year old Safia, widow of murdered Khayber chief Kinana, he found Ayub Ansari guarding the tent. He asked why was he guarding the tent all night. He replied "apostle of Allah, you killed Safia's husband, brothers and father yesterday and were sleeping with her last night. I was worried about your safety. Mohammed was happy to hear that and prayed for Ayub.

Can you please tell me whether Saffiyah, whose father, husband and other members of her family were killed in a raid agreed to marry and have intimacy with Mohammed on the same night of her capture! Please tell me why Ayub was afraid for Mohammed.[/Quote]Seyibrown, you are too (two) emotional, the reason you cant correspond the new position of Saffiyah our mother (RA), into the above Quranic verse. WHo lived the very life of a revelation to the T and Jot of that revelation but the prophet whom the revelation was given. God is One, Jesus lived it and command others to live it, actualize it in their lives, except you and those christians, aletheia is one of them, so is Tonye_T and Nuclearboy and Davidyan, and etc, etc.

Am not even a prophet and I do not have sex with a woman I am not married to and I dont even force myself on my wife. Her no means no. WHo do you think I got that quality from; Oduduwa, Awolowo, who but Muhammad (AS), who transferred to his companions, then they to the next generation, then to the next until it reached my late father )ra) who transferred it to me. And you know how easy it is fora nigerian man to get lost within fine Nigerian women; yet i restrict myself. Allah's Messenger said that there is no single adultery in his bloodline, coming all the way from Adam (AS) to him. If this is true, we should now ask how was Adam and his mate Hawa husband and wife, except that Allah ordained it as He wished, physical dowry or not. Adam was a prophet to his wife, his children, his bloodline until he passed and another prophet (Idris (AS)) was sent to a much bigger community now.

Then relate the same condition with Muhammad (AS) and his wife Safiyyah (RA), mother of believer, who the prophet told to respond to those who called her "Yahud" (Jew, a derogatory name a muslim call children of israel, even though it is Jew they call themselves), that she is a honored woman who had Haruun as father and Musa for uncle, both being Prophet (AS), though Musa was a Messenger along with it. Allah's messenger used to tell the muslims not to fast without take a break of eating after the sunset, as he used to do, saying to them that he being a prophet is fed specially by Allah, with food not physical. The marriage between him and my mother Saffiyah was officiated by The One WHo Alone is Enough as Witness; Allah. And did Saffiyah (RA) complained, even after the messenger passed, remarried or was satisfied with her position as Wife of prophet, Mother of believers?



[Quote]Also, please tell me how Zainab (of Jahsh), Mohammed's adopted son's wife became someone Mohammed could have sexual relations with.[/Quote]Am a father of young males. These are my children from my body through legal relationship. If I love a boy and adopted him and calls me father and i call him son, I at least know that my blood is not in his vein, even if he does not know. If he knows that the blood in his vein is not from me, that makes two of us in the know. I am very certain that there is a father out there who can demand that this boy is his, saying, in truth that the blood in his vein is from him. This man will be correct, and my claiming that the boy is my son is artificial at best, a man made idea, while the accurate claim is from the other man. The only boys I do have claim[s] on are those whose mother got pregnant because of my sperm interaction with her egg to produce each or them in pregnancy[ies]. This is the case with Zayd Harith (RA), a slave of khadijah (RA) which she gave as a wedding gift to her young virgin husband (AS). Zaynab was a daughter of his uncle, hence she was his first cousin. You will agree that it is better to marry a virgin than none virgin, whatever your gender is, specifically, men desire virgins.

If he didnt marry her as a virgin, instead talked her into marrying his former slave who he adopted as a son after the boy preferred him over his own father who demanded his return, hence Muhammad (AS) openly went to the precinct of the Kaaba to declare that he is now the father of former slave Zayd, who is now a free son of Muhammad (AS). What a honor bestowed on Zayd, who loved the messenger so. In time, Zaynab didnt see Zayd as a son but the former slave which she knew his history, similar to the yoruba saying "Ti a ba kaa eru, inu eru aa ba je". The marriage had its chronic problems which made it unrepairable, as Allah has wished to use this condition to kill the artificial relationship that is not natural that happens in Adoption. Allah says to the Muslims "Muhammmad is not the father of any of you men (remember he lost all his sons, and there was a daughter that survived him?), rather he was the last of all Messengers, a seal of prophethood." Allah ordained Muhammad to grant the unhappy spouses their freedom from each other, and to later marry the ex wife, making what is artificial finally dead forever.

Lets look at the wisdom behind this; a person who is adopted, in your eye looses a family which he/she is no more a member of, but member of the new family. Can he marry from the new family, you will certainly say no. Can he marry from the family he is no more a member of, i do hope you will say no, since he is carries the blood. But if there are just these two families that he or she has suitors from, which one is truly forbidden for him, but the one he/she has its blood flowing in his vein? Which one he is likely to inherit its natural nature; diseases, etc, but the one that he/she carries its blood.



[Quote]In fact, could you please tell me briefly, how Mohammed came to have sexual relationships with all this Women, whether they were slaves, captured, concubines etc: Khadija, Sawda, Ayesha, Omm Salama, Hafsa, Juwariya, Omm Habiba, Maymuna (of Hareth), Fatima, Hend, Asma (of Saba), Zainab (of Khozayma), Habla, Asma (of Noman), Maria, Rayhana, Omm Sharik, Maymuna (not of Hareth) , Zainab (the third one), Khawla, Duba.[/Quote]Each one of his wives, he married legally. Some to forment tribal alliance with the young muslim community. Others to honor them since they lost their hisbands and no suitors coming to marry them after. I'm not sure if he married a Fatima, because that was the name of the child who survived him, and she later died 6 month after (RA).



[Quote]If you choose not to respond to this bit about Mohammed's perception of a Moral life, I will not touch on the matter again on this thread. One thing is certain, he led a sexually immoral life and encouraged his followers. Followers of Mohammed are expected to Emulate him.[/Quote]When did your husband lose his virginity? You disvirgined him or some other woman beat you to it? Ask him how old he was when he did and how many women he slept with before you found each other? I am not starting a third world war between you and he, since i didnt ask if he was your first. A man who was a virgin at 25, who married for the first time as a virgin, a twice married woman who is 15 years his senior, all before he received revelation telling him even at that that sexual immorality is not allowed, cant be declared by anyone in this 21 Century or even centuries past. Muslim men and women are encouraged in commandment to preserve their chastity, cover themselves, lower their gazes, and be sexually moral and modest.

I being a nigerian man who knows how african women are shaped, since women in my family are all yoruba nigerian african, i restrict my urge of free lunches from their friends, especially the christians who who will drop it like its bomb shell. Please Seyi, dont let us front out here. We are both nigerian and the yorubas say ole lo mo ese ole to lori apata. If a muslim is sexually immoral, he or she is not getting it from the Quran or from the Messenger. We cant say the same for christians, since there is not crime and punishment attached to it as it is in ISlam.



[Quote]This bit I would definitely want you to explain: How he died from being poisoned by one of his captured 'sex slave' women? [/Quote]If a woman was captured and she has sex with her master, often, yet resented him, she will show a sign of disloyalty, enough that she will be watched by the master that this woman is truly my enemy. How can such a slave, captive who is a minority in the community which she is an enemy of one of them can lay her hand on poison so that she can use it on her master? I am building a case against you of your assertion that the Jewel was a captive living in the household of the Messenger who was having sex with her. The truth is far and different from what you said, here. Evidently, you didnt research it, you just copied it from where ever you copied it from since it is within your intention to shoot it at the target; Muhammad (AS).

Well you missed, my a wide margin. Below is the ahadith, and the reason I believed it is that it is in agreement with the Quran; an enemy among mankind and prophet after his prophetic mission will have to go, either by death as almost all of them, or by lifting up as I know and believe of Isa bin Maryam (AS), and your Bible even said of Elijah or Elisha, the one who was lifted up, chariot and all; below is a compilation on the subject matter, from one of my brothers on Nairaland, named Abuzola (May Allah reward you for your effort, my dear brother),  in post # 1831 under title; The Death of Prophet Muhammad (p. b. u. n): Question And Answer.
Compiled by Abuzola
Many controversies ensued after the Prophet"s death and am going to give answer to them:

Question:  Was the Prophet really poisoned ?

Answer: Yes he was poisoned.  
From Bukhari's Hadith 4.394:  Narrated Abu Huraira:  When Khaibar was conquered, a roasted poisoned sheep was presented to the Prophet as a gift (by the Jews).  The Prophet ordered, "Let all the Jews who have been here, be assembled before me."  The Jews were collected and the Prophet said (to them), "I am going to ask you a question.  Will you tell the truth?"  They said, "Yes." The Prophet asked, "Who is your father?"  They replied, "So-and-so."  He said, "You have told a lie; your father is so-and-so."  They said,  "You are right." He said, "Will you now tell me the truth, if I ask you about something?"  They replied, "Yes, O Abu Al-Qasim; and if we should tell a lie, you can realize our lie as you have done regarding our father."  On that he asked, "Who are the people of the (Hell) Fire?"  They said, "We shall remain in the (Hell) Fire for a short period, and after that you will replace us." The Prophet said, "You may be cursed and humiliated in it!  By Allah, we shall never replace you in it."  Then he asked, "Will you now tell me the truth if I ask you a question?"  They said, "Yes, O Abu Al-Qasim."  He asked, "Have you poisoned this sheep?"  They said, "Yes."  He asked, "What made you do so?"  

They said, "We wanted to know if you were a liar in which case we would get rid of you, and if you are a prophet then the poison would not harm you." Read on through. While you are at it, did you notice the messenger [as] telling the Jews that muslims will not replace them, the Jews, in hellfire, since they believe that they will be in it for a short time, part of their arrogance in belief, and are aware that hell will have to consume humans, since they have already believed that christians are idol worshipers, anyhow, it is the muslims that they are seeing as their rivals in the true belief of the One God. Davidylan, and all those who think that muslims will enter hell and Muhammad (AS) does not know where he is going, the hadith above proof you wrong since you will not even accept what the Quran says, how will you accept this, now?

Q: But why did the Prophet eat it, didn"t Allah revealed to him that it was poisoned ?
A: It is the decree of ALLAH for Muhammad to devour it and Bishr a companion of the Prophet to die of it. See what Allah said pertaining this:  [ Quran 13:38]  And, indeed, WE sent Messengers before thee, and WE gave them wives and children. And it is not possible for a Messenger to bring a Sign save by the command of ALLAH. For every matter there is a decree from Allah.

Here is how they ate it, the Prophet still display his prophetic gift

Sahih Bukhari

From Ibn Sa'd :

           Verily a Jewish woman presented poisoned (meat of) a she goat to the apostle of Allah.  He took a piece form it, put it into his mouth, chewed it and threw it away.  Then he said to the Companions:  "Halt!  Verily, its leg tells me that it is poisoned."  Then he sent for the Jewish woman and asked her;  "What induced you to do what you have done?"  She replied, "I wanted to know if you are true; in that case Allah will surely inform you, and if you are a liar I shall relieve the people of you."

From Ibn Sa'd

           The apostle of Allah and his companions ate from it.  It (goat) said:  "I am poisoned."  He [Muhammad] said to his Companions, "Hold you hands!  because it has informed me that it is poisoned!"  They withdrew their hands, but Bishr Ibn al-Bara expired.  The apostle of Allah sent for her (Jewess) and asked her, "What induced you to do what you have done?"  She replied, "I wanted to know if you are a prophet, in that case it will not harm you and if you are a king, I shall relieve the people of you.  He gave orders and she was put to death.

Q:: But they say the poison killed him ?
A: No, the poison didn"t kill him till after three years, you should ask why didn"t the Prophet die at the scene, atlleast Bishr died at that very moment, this also shows that the Prophet is real, read the story: "Today I have perfected your religion for you, and have bestowed upon you the full measure of My blessings, and willed that self-surrender unto Me shall be your way of life."

The Holy Quran, 5:3

NOTE: According to all available traditions, the verse above was revealed at Mount Arafat in the afternoon of Friday, the 9th of Dhul-Hijjah, shortly before the death of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Standing in prayer at Arafat on the 9th of Dhul-Hijjah, is considered the most important part of Hajj.

Bukhari

From Ibn Sa'd

           , When the apostle of Allah conquered Khaibar and he had peace of mind, Zaynab Bint al-Harith the brother of Marhab, who was the spouse of Sallam Ibn Mishkam, inquired, "Which part of the goat is liked by Muhammad?"  They said, "The foreleg."  Then she slaughtered one from her goats and roasted it (the meat).  Then she wanted a poison which could not fail. ,   The apostle of Allah took the foreleg, a piece of which he put into his mouth.  Bishr took another bone and put it into his mouth.  When the apostle of Allah ate one morsel of it Bishr ate his and other people also ate from it.  Then the apostle of Allah said, "Hold back your hands! because this foreleg; , informed me that it is poisoned.  Thereupon Bishr said, "By Him who has made you great!  I discovered it from the morsel I took.  Nothing prevented me from emitting it out, but the idea that I did not like to make your food unrelishing.  When you had eaten what was in your mouth I did not like to save my life after yours, and I also thought you would not have eaten it if there was something wrong.

           Bishr did not rise form his seat but his color changed to that of "taylsan" (a green cloth) and died at the spot., The apostle of Allah sent for Zaynab and said to her, "What induced you to do what you have done?"  She replied, "You have done to my people what you have done.  You have killed my father, my uncle and my husband, so I said to myself, "If you are a prophet, the foreleg will inform you; and others have said, "If you are a king we will get rid of you."",

           The apostle of Allah lived after this three years till in consequence of his pain he passed away.  During his illness he used to say, "I did not cease to find the effect of the (poisoned) morsel, I took at Khaibar and I suffered several times (from its effect) but now I feel the hour has come of the cutting of my jugular vein."

Q: Did you just say he died of the poisoned meat ?
A: At the final moment when he did his pilgrimage to makkah (hajj), and the verse saying the religion of Islam is complete, then was the final moment, read this to judge it yourself

"Or did you think that you will enter Paradise without such (trials) that came to those who passed away before you? They were afflicted with severe poverty and ailments and were so shaken that even the Messenger and those who believed along with him said, 'When will come the help of Allah? Yes! Certainly, the help of Allah is near!" [Surah Baqarah 2:214]

From Bukhari's Hadith 5.713:

Narrated Ibn Abbas:

'Umar bin Al-Khattab used to let Ibn Abbas sit beside him, so 'AbdurRahman bin 'Auf said to 'Umar, "We have sons similar to him." 'Umar replied, "(I respect him) because of his status that you know."  'Umar then asked Ibn 'Abbas about the meaning of this Holy Verse:-- "When comes the help of Allah and the conquest of Mecca . . ." (110.1)

Ibn 'Abbas replied, "That indicated the death of Allah's Apostle which Allah informed him of."  'Umar said, "I do not understand of it except what you understand."    (note Ibn ABASS WAS THE BEST AMONG THE SAHABAS IN INTERPRETING THE QURAN).

From Tabari Volume 9 page 108:

           When the prophet returned to Medina after performing the Pilgrimage of Completion, he began to have a complaint of illness.  As travel was allowed (after the pilgrimage), the news of the prophet's illness spread, Then in Muharram the prophet complained of the pain from which he died.

From Ibn Sa'd page 322

           Verily, whenever the apostle of Allah fell ill, he asked for recovery, from Allah.  But in the illness as a result of which he died, he did not pray for recovery; he used to say, "O soul!  What has happened to thee that thou are seeking refuge in every place of refuge?"

Q: May ALLAH reward you abundantly Abuzola, But can"t the Prophet die at once instead of suffering from the poison to die
A: Have you heard pf a word called KAFFARA ? See why the Prophet have to go through the  pain

Bukhari's Hadith 5.713:]

From Ibn Sa'd page 294

           Umm Bishr [the mother of the Muslim man who also died eating poison], came to the prophet during his illness and said, "O apostle of Allah!  I never saw fever like it in any one." The prophet said to her, "Our trial is double and so our reward [in heaven], is double.  What do the people say about it [his illness]?"  She said, "They say it is pleurisy."  Thereupon the apostle said, "Allah will not like to make His apostle suffer from it (pleurisy) because it indicates the possession of Satan, but (my disease is the result of) the morsel that I had taken along your son.  It has cut my jugular vein."

From Ibn Sa'd page 294

           Umm Bishr [the mother of the Muslim man who also died eating poison], came to the prophet during his illness and said, "O apostle of Allah!  I never saw fever like it in any one."  The prophet said to her, "Our trial is double and so our reward [in heaven], is double.  What do the people say about it [his illness]?"  She said, "They say it is pleurisy."  Thereupon the apostle said, "Allah will not like to make His apostle suffer from it (pleurisy) because it indicates the possession of Satan, but (my disease is the result of) the morsel that I had taken along your son.  It has cut my jugular vein."

From Ibn Hisham page 678:

           While matters were thus the apostle began to suffer from the illness by which God took him to what honor and compassion He intended for him shortly before the end of Safar or in the beginning of Rabi'ul-awwal.  It began, so I have been told, when he went to Baqi'u'l-Gharqad in the middle of the night and prayed for the dead.  Then he returned to his family and in the morning his sufferings began.

Narrated Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (RA):
The messenger of Allah, Muhammed (SAW) said, "Whenever a Muslim is afflicted with a calamity, hardship, sickness, sadness, worry, harm, or depression - even it were the prick from a thorn, Allah expiates his sins because of it"
[Sahih Bukhari & Muslim]

Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah (RA):
Allah's Messenger said, "On the Day of Resurrection, when people who have suffered affliction are given their reward, those who are healthy will wish their skins had been cut to pieces with scissors when they were in the world"
[Al-Tirmidhi]

Q: Thank you Abuzola, May Allah increase your knowledge amin
A: You are welcome


[Quote]You missed that bit when you said he went to heaven in one day and came back? Why did he not resurrect after his death? Or did he?[/Quote]Adam, Idris, Nuh, Ibrahim personal Friend of Allah, Lut, Ismail, Isiaq, Yaqub the soldier of Allah, Yusuf who Yaqub prostrated his face to in Egypt, Musa who spoke to and heard Allah the Almighty, HAruun, Daud who as a boy not yet a "Balagoh (matured) killed a season war veteran Jalut (Lanatullah), Sulayman the wise who Allah subdued the wind, jinn, etc for his usage, Zachariyya who became a father at such an old age, Yahya his son who never had sex (AS to all) all died. According to your Bible, even Elijah or was it Elisha was lifted up to heaven, including his chariot and there is a yoruba christian song about it in this form "hee baba mi, keke isreli ati esin e, a ko le ri won moo o: because they disappeared". Its you who said Jesus died. It is you who said he resurrected. It is you who said he was a God. It is you who said that he was a son of a God, all at the same it. It is you who proposed Trinity. Resurrection of all men will happen in one single event for Judgment Day. Jesus never died. Jesus never resurrected. Jesus hall return to die and be buried. All mankind, again shall resurrect in one single event; Judgment Day.

What you should have asked is if Muhammad saw Paradise and or Hell. I would have said that he saw both. He saw heels of his community members, even (Bilal bin Rabah (RA)) in Paradise.



[Quote]If you think any of these things disgusting - sex with 9 year old Aisha + despoil of captured women + carnal knowledge of his son's wife - and would not think of doing them yourself; then Mohammed is not the one to follow. Sleep on it! And remember the one who would not condone any of those things but offers forgiveness through accepting his son . . . . this son resurrected after his death and offers eternal life to all those who accept him  . . . . .  and God's Spirit will dwell with them just as the son promised![/Quote]While you are just making things up, I have slept on many things, including different bedding and even ordinary floor. I am with Muhammad (AS), for all the reasons that one should be with the truth. There is no God son or son of God or trinity or human sacrifice and the blood from it as a cleansing. Each of them as an idea is repugnant. There is One WHole God, Fully Capable. It is He that I worship and I follow His Messenger, who is also the Prophet of my time, Muhammad (AS). Is there anyone to follow, today but he alone to success?

Seyi, your case is similar to the case of the Jews who rejected Jesus because of what they expect, while he was what they were expecting. You in the same vein reject Muhammad (AS) because of what you thought he is, while he is not that, but you ignore his place in your life even as you read of his quality of being the spiritual human being called by Jesus as the Another Comforter. Why do I have to follow you into the thicket, whie I see a smooth road laced with street lights, street furniture, like benches, water coolers and fountains and parks to a well deserving destination?[/quote]