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@Aletheia: « #936 on: Today at 11:38:02 PM »
[QUote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 10:26:38 PM
To Nachmanides, it seemed most strange "that the Creator of heaven and earth resorted to the womb of a certain Jewess and grew there for nine months and was born as an infant, and afterwards grew up and was betrayed into the hands of his enemies who sentenced him to death and executed him, and that afterwards… he came to life and returned to his original place. The mind of a Jew, or any other person, cannot tolerate this."

What rich irony! Exactly what we 've been telling you all this while. Your Nachmanides is not saying anything different from what is written in the Bible. The message of the Gospel of Jesus is foolishness to the mind of man.[/Quote]The Gospel was preached to Jewish men. The Jews knew that he was a human being. Read it, again. Here you shuffle over to the stage. A gentile that Jesus called dog, now claim that he must be God. You see why I said you are a perfect slave for a white slave master? Was the Gospel meant for the minds of angels? Which angels? Did any angel need or received the gospel, but men, jewish men for that matter? Dont be silly aletheia. You are not using your head at all.



[QUote]But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
Sadly what you fail to perceive is this:
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.[/Quote]The first bold is uncalled for. Abusing God is the greatest blasphemy. The second bold proves that Jesus is not God, since a mere group of people easily overwhelmed him.



[Quote]For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.[/Quote]Are you not a natural man, aletheia? What nonsense that is coming from your mouth?



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 10:26:38 PM
There is no son and I'm alive, still.
^You are sadly mistaken. Though living physically, yet by the Word of God, you are dead apart from Jesus.[/Quote]Did you read my story; 2 events in 4 days? My head was protected by Allah. And one of my beloved was declared dead that they even called me up here. Yet she was alive. She is just a few years older than 33 and still alive. I guess they made mistake even in today's medical climate. so what can we say of 2000 years ago?



[Quote]He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. (John 3:36)
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. (John 5:24)
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: (John 11:25)[/Quote]Use your mind for a moment. You are a doctor. Tell me if what happen on monday was a testimony to the misdiagnosis of over 2000 years ago?



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 10:26:38 PM
I guess you are born of the spirit. . .
^Again how did you know? You will soon become a Christian![/Quote]I made fun of your stupidity, you are happy. Alitalia is a trip and then some.



[Quote]Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (John 3:5)
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. (1 John 5:1)[/Quote]Preach on. Your preaching is a mind game to you. continue to fool yourself. Jesus will say to you "i never knew you".



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 10:26:38 PM
I said Jbril is RuhuQudus,
^^Just post the verses where the qur'an said Jibril is the Ruuh Qudus and be done with it.[/Quote]Do you even think? Who is RuhuQudus?



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 10:26:38 PM
'You said there are three gods in Trinity
How disingenuous. Must you lie about what I said in order to prove your point. I challenge you to show me one thread where you and I discussed the nature of the Trinity. In any case, I have never ever said that "there are three gods in Trinity."[u] My confession is clear: Jesus is the Son of God. Jesus is God.[/Quote]You cant make up your mind which one jesus is, eh? I feel you. Yet there is still father god and ghost god, like the three little piggies. Aletheia, i sometimes respond to you because its time to laugh. Whats the difference in you saying it or its extrapolated from what you said. Count it, you said Jesus is son god. then you said yahweh is father god and them there is a ghost god with no name. How many gods you have listed if not at least three? You must be a joke to think that a sane mind will think otherwise.



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 10:26:38 PM
You are trying to prove to me your trinity so you listed the names of the gods in them; son god is jesus, father god is yahweh and spirit god is nameless.
You are the one creating lists of names. I haven't had that sort of discussion with you. My confession is clear: Jesus is the Son of God. Jesus is God.[/Qupte]shakes head for such a mind that the bold came from.



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 10:26:38 PM
This inabiity of yours to give a name of your spirit god is a destruction of your trinity, while Jibril fits perfectly to the RuhuQudus. What fits to the Holy spirit? Tell me so that i can read it. the whole world awaits its name. You were not shy about father, not shy about the son, why shy and become a recluse about the holy spirit?
^Who is shy about the Holy Spirit? From Genesis to Revelation, the Holy Spirit is the Holy Spirit or other synonyms thereof, no name is given, no name is necessary; for God is a Spirit.[/Quote]Yet you gladly volunteered yahweh for father god, Jesus for son god and when it came to ghost god, you became a man that cant provide a name.



[Quote]The true Christian will not go beyond what is written in the Bible because he is not like the Muslim who is forever adding words to the qur'an; the qur'an does not anywhere say or state that Gabriel is the Holy Spirit, it is Muslims like Sweetnecta that say so.[/Quote]Jibril (AS) is the holy spirit. Holy spirit is only a title, while Jibril is is real name. He has other titles as well.When you are ready to ditch the destruction that you carry around, I will list his titles and i will show you what you have overlooked in the Quran.



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And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. (Revelation 19:11-16)

Maranatha[/Quote]You are on your own. This mind of yours is diseased.[/quote]

@Aletheia: « #236 on: Today at 10:11:29 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 02:10:52 PM
Really. Considering a ton of questions and the many different ways I have asked them. . .blah, blah, blah
^^Exactly what the qur'an does, instead of answering a straightforward question, you embark on a long-winded, peregrinating fable-filled discourse that is totally bunkum and off point, hoping that at the end the listeners would have forgotten the initial question![/Quote]The bold is your own addition to what i said in 234. If you have to resort to this, adding to what i said, how can you be trustworthy? No wonder you are what you are. Shame on you, aletheia.



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What does Holy and Holiness mean to the Muslim?
Quote from: aletheia on Yesterday at 04:17:01 AM
^^^Really? I asked you a straightforward question in post #213, Several posts later, you still waffling. . .just produce the verses.
You are just engaging in diversionary tactics: just post the quranic verses that say Ruuh Qudus is Gabriel; that is all you need do. No long grammar.
It is evident that no such verses exist; otherwise you would have posted them just to disprove me and show that this Christian is wrong.
Now is the time for you to leave Muhammad and come to Jesus that you may live. The Islam you put your hope in is but an amalgam of lying words as shown by the fact that several days after the initial question, you are still struggling to find the answers.[/Quote]I have lived many years longer than you, and still alive. Many christians who are younger than me are already dead. There are tons of muslims, much older than me alive still. Alhamdulillah, I have not lied. You have lied, and my proof is that you doctored by answer, as shown above. I will not be a member of your multigods religion. If you know a different RuhuQudus apart from Jibril, let us know his name.



[Quote]Behold, ye trust in lying words, that cannot profit. (Jeremiah 7:8]
Jesus is Lord[/Quote]Your face is better as the symbol of lying. And you have confirmed it by calling a human Lord. You are imitating the British Parliaments with their house of Lords. Lords, I said. Plural. Easy for christians to claim what they claim.

@Aletheia: « #928 on: November 24, 2010, 03:37 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on November 24, 2010, 02:35 AM
@Aletheia. . .I bet you will say everything in the world and in heaven is in christ?

How did you know? We will make a Christian of you yet! Grin
For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.(Acts 17:28)[/Quote]I was going cancel out a site from my computer this evening and suddenly, i realize that aletheia will post something that the content will be appropriate for the site. Subhanallah, here it is; Moses Nachmanides and The Debate in Barcelona, Spain, 1263

The most famous of all Jewish-Christian disputations was between the apostate Jew Pablo Christiani and Moses Nachmanides (the Ramban).

Nachmanides argued that the central issue separating Christianity and Judaism was not the issue of Jesus’ messiahship, but whether or not Jesus was divine. There was no basis in Judaism, Nachmanides said, for believing in the divinity of the Messiah or, indeed, of any man. To Nachmanides, it seemed most strange "that the Creator of heaven and earth resorted to the womb of a certain Jewess and grew there for nine months and was born as an infant, and afterwards grew up and was betrayed into the hands of his enemies who sentenced him to death and executed him, and that afterwards… he came to life and returned to his original place. The mind of a Jew, or any other person, cannot tolerate this." Nachmanides told the Spanish monarch, "You have listened all your life to priests who have filled your brain and the marrow of your bones with this doctrine, and it has settled with you because of that accustomed habit." Had King James heard these ideas propounded for the first time when he was already an adult, Nachmanides implied, he never would have accepted them.



Quote from: Sweetnecta on November 24, 2010, 02:35 AM
Jesus didnt say it, though claimed for him. This is similar to aletheia has completely lost it, since that condition is claimed for him. If you deny this, then the claim of 1 Roman8;1 is also denied.
^Jesus didn't say it? The usual Muslim excuse. The Holy Spirit said it, ergo Jesus said it. I guess you want the direct words, okay:
Jesus said: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.(John 5:24)[quote][/Quote]Lol in your local dialect, what ever it is. Whats the name of the Holy Spirit? (Watch aletheia and see a waffler in action. I only ask for a name and there will all fun and games and no name coming forth. watch him).



[Quote]He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.(John 3:36)[/Quote]There is no son and I'm alive, still.ALhamdulillah. Did you read my story and see how Allah protected my head on friday past and on monday preserved the life of a dear soul, though they phoned that she had died? Reminded me of the false death that took place 2000 years, ago.



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on November 24, 2010, 02:35 AM
Are these men not dead? Are they not buried? We see why Bible comes into a tailspin to 180 degree, since those who ate manna from heaven were declared dead, yet by extension to their past they are children of Jacob who is still alive.

Am not going to ask how they knew these two men, but arent they dead, and not counted among the living, above, since God is the God of the living; Abrahanm, Isaac and Jacob?

If this is not fairy tale, what is fairy tale?
^
I can see you do not understand what this means: "I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living." And was it dead men that your name dropping prophet claimed to see on his alleged night journey? Borrowing from the Bible without understanding the implications.[/Quote]Allah is God of all. Living and dead. Animals and others. He woke many up as He Willed. He kept many dead as He willed. And one in his grave his soul is returned to him, often, and many the earth are forbidden to eat them. Look at Surah Najm, again. Quran is a different tongue brought to him by one terrific in power; Jibril.



[Quote]But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. (Jude 1:10)[/Quote]? Desperado.




[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on November 24, 2010, 02:35 AM
Jesus son of Mary is born by flesh; Mary. Aletheia was born of flesh of two nigerians; his parents.
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You must be born again.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.(John 3:6)

. . .flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. (1 Corinthians 15:50)

But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. (Galatians 4:29)[/Quote]Ritualists. Say, aletheia, who is persecuting you? I guess you are born of the spirit, not by the nigerian couple still alive in 9ja.




[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on November 24, 2010, 02:35 AM
I dont know how truth becomes apologetic and hateful? From where i am looking at from, I see you as a gullible man that could be spun with a finger and and a string.
^Apologetics not apologetic. There is a difference! Dictionary anyone?[/Quote]regardless of the meanings. The idea is clear. not even considering the slip of the finger, like the slip of the pen of the rabbis as they corrupted the Taurah.




[Quote]A gullible man believes everything he is told. . .so why don't you post those verses from the qur'an that I am still waiting for so that this gullible man will believe that Ruuh Qudus is Gabriel? Abi you dey fear?[/Quote]I said there is Jibril. You said yes. I said there is RuhuQudus in Islam, which is on the pages of the Quran. You said yes. I said Jbril is RuhuQudus, you said no. Please tell me who RuhuQudus is?
You said there are three gods in Trinity, I said there are no 3 gods, and no trinity. You are trying to prove to me your trinity so you listed the names of the gods in them; son god is jesus, father god is yahweh and spirit god is nameless. Is this proof, I ask you aletheia? This inabiity of yours to give a name of your spirit god is a destruction of your trinity, while Jibril fits perfectly to the RuhuQudus. What fits to the Holy spirit? Tell me so that i can read it. the whole world awaits its name. You were not shy about father, not shy about the son, why shy and become a recluse about the holy spirit?

@Seyibrown: « #32 on: Today at 01:33:41 PM »
[Quote]^^ King James, if he has removed the 'slay' part, has been UNSUCCESSFUL in doing so with my 1999 KJV copy, and the copy as extracted above. Grin Just address post # 30 accordingly to allow an 'HONEST DEBATE' if that was your true motive for the OP, and there is no deceit in you and your motive (given the assertive title 'JESUS ALSO PREACHED JIHAD' as opposed to an inquisitory one 'DID JESUS ALSO PREACH JIHAD?').

Let us HONESTLY do this 'Jesus Jihad' debate before we try to catch King James at his 'scripture erasing' acts.

Thanks.

(uplawal, 'slain path' is incorrect; 'slay' part - as corrected above is more appropriate in the context which you used it.)[/Quote]If the slaying was done, then, are they not slain, already? Its over 2000 years already. I'm comfortably sure somebody willl say the parable was not about Jesus.

@Proo212: « #29 on: Yesterday at 08:11:03 PM »
[Quote]@Sweetnecta,
I enjoy reading the debates but can you explain what your Surah 43:61 and 63 says? In summary, He (Jesus Christ, Isa Al-Masih) is the straight way, He will be a sign of the coming of the judgement. This is what your Quran admonishes. So why do we spend our energies looking for another saviour?[/Quote]Who was the verses above addressing? And when was it addressing him?The two verses were stories about the past, when Jesus was on earth, being told to Muhammad 600 plus years later. Was Jesus alive when the story was being told to Muhammad (AS)? Of course not. Jesus was the straight way in his time. Just like every prophet in his own time. The straight way started from Adam, and after him (AS), every prophet followed the same straight way living his own prophetic live on the straight way. This is how it was until it reached Jesus, who was the immediate straight way before Muhammad (AS), the new, current and final straight way till end of mankind. Allah is the One that every Prophet (AS), including Jesus and the chairman of Prophets, Muhammad (AS) worshiped and followed by obedience to Him. In essence we should as human follow Allah by obedience to Him, as the prophet of our time is obedient to Him. You and I are in the prophetic time of Muhammad (AS). I know that and accept it. You on the other hand may not know that, but definitely following the prophetic time that has expired, just like the Jews are in their following Moses (AS), still. In your case you are following Jesus (AS). Both you and the Jews are wrong. It is Muhammad that you should be following.


[Quote]So many stories of your brothers and sisters converting to Christianity and being persecuted, jailed and killed. They look for answers but the Imams and the scholars tell them, "don't question, just believe". Why can Islam not handle someone converting from the religion? You guys say religion is not by compulsion but you cannot even begin to suggest that those who wish to leave the religion will not face persecution.
Your Deutoronomy 18:18 that you like to quote falls flat on its face.
Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, tomorrow may be too late[/Quote]You live in Germany. How many white Germans have converted to Islam? There is a thread about a german pastor who incinerated himself because of Islam. Imagine if he had the opportunity to corner muslims and given unfettered freedom to do what he wills. Would he not burn all these muslims before he burnt himself?

@aletheia: « #233 on: Yesterday at 04:17:01 AM »
[QUote]^^^
Quote from: Sweetnecta on November 24, 2010, 10:11 PM
Sura Najm will be my first set up verses. . .
Really? I asked you a straightforward question in post #213,[/Quote]Really. Considering a ton of questions and the many different ways I have asked them, yet you have failed to answer a single one of them. I threw you a challenge, you refused to accept. You might as well walk away right now, since you cant wager your faith.


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What does Holy and Holiness mean to the Muslim?
Several posts later, you still waffling. . .just produce the verses. Simple. Instead you are talking about Sura Najm which does not mention the Holy Spirit, neither Gabriel. Does Sura Najm say that the Holy Spirit is Gabriel? Emphatically no! Repeatedly by your diversionary tactics you show that you cannot answer the question and therefore prove my intial point:[/Quote]Your initial point was zero, or at best weak. If you are sure of what you are saying please wager your faith and I will show you that Jibril is holyspirit, just like Jesus is Massiah and prophet of Bani Israil. Both I shall provide from Quran. Dont forget that you are a disbeliever, hence truth you disbelieve.


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You are a Muslim who claims to know his qur'an but you couldn't answer the question; al-ilah it would seem has a phobia for holiness; only twice in his qur'an does he deign to use that word for himself (your assignment is to find the two verses) but he in no way educates his followers as to what that holiness and being holy means. Compare the Bible: 231 times in the NT and 458 times in the OT and I have not even included derivatives like holiness in the word count![/Quote]You seem to be stuck in the number game. The cumulative 679 times it is used in the Bible, what s the outcome but pure pogrom. Jesus and in the whole Bible, Eloi was used just once. Does it therefore means that Eloi is a product of phobia, hence is not the Real Name of God, the overused Yahweh, Jehovah, Adonia, etc are are? Use your head. One usage is enough proof. Just like one fight or one sword is enough proof.


[QUote]The 53rd Sura starts off with your god swearing by the Star. Was he so desperate to convince his listeners that he was genuine? Very funny. . .since we know that those who swear, swear by that which is greater than them. Thus it is shown that the Star is greater than Allah, since al-ilah swears by the Star.[/Quote]Unfortunately, you are naive. In the same Quran, you will read that Allah says He created the stars, sun, moon, heavens, earth, etc. You will also read that He says dont swear or witness by anything but Him. Dont fear anything but Him. Dont worship anything but Him. We know that when He calls something to witness, it is affirmation that such a thing exist, seen or unseen, it does not matter, we hear, we believe and that is enough. But you with your stiff neck do not hear, definitely do not believe even if it hits you in the face. Jesus call God to Witness. Your point in this case is proven just like I will call God to Witness that you are a liar, the reason you are not taking me up on my challenge.


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53.1. By the Star when it setteth,
Now compare this:
For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,(Hebrews 6:13)[/Quote]Hebrew verse he quotes. When shall Yahweh speaks for Himself? When shall you not put words in Jesus mouth? Let me tell you a story of an event in my life this week. Last friday, I feel in the bathroom running away from hot water. In that fall, i was black and blue, terribly hurt, but i did not hit my head on anything. Allah protected the head that the forehead prostrates to Him and the lips and tongue praise Him with the eyes that lower in prayers in reverence to Him. And life is tentative at best. Monday evening I received a call from a clinic staff in Lagos that one of my beloved is dead. It is a shock because the day before, sunday, we spoke and i was intending still on monday to call for follow up. Alhamdulillah, she did not die. Probably passed out, unresponsive, even as a patient in the hospital, with all of that they declared her dead for a moment that they had to call me here. Misdiagnosis, I say. It reminds me of a story that has been circulating for over 2000 years now. Misdiagnosis. Allah brought it clear to me, in a so close to home setting. If I were a christian, with what happened on Monday, I will abandon christianity and opt for Islam which has been saying it loud and clear that "Jesus did not die, nor did they crucify him, but made to look so".


[Quote]Reading further down your Sura brings us to the dark secret of Islam---hints of its Satanic origins: verses 19 - 21 --- the edited version of the Satanic verses.
53:19-21. Have ye thought upon [b]Al-Lat and Al-'Uzza
And Manat, the third, the other?
Are yours the males and His the females?
Not surprisingly; further down in verse 27; al-ilah seems to hint that these female deities who are his daughters are actually angels of his erroneously named as females.[/Quote]This is similar to when I asked if your daughter is aletheia. It was a statement of scorning. I scorned you then. Imagine the Right of Allah to Scorn the disbelievers? Just like He told Moses to tell the ungrateful children of Israel who were complaining of Manna and Salwa for fool mudammas and balsa, etc of Egypt to go back if they wish for them.


[Quote][b]53:27. Lo! it is those who disbelieve in the Hereafter who name the angels with the names of females.[/Quote]You lack foresightedness. Today, women are still referred as Angels because they are pretty. Some are actually named Angel.


[QUote]The 53rd sura does not call Gabriel the Ruuh Qudus. In fact it neither mentions the Holy Spirit or Gabriel. The names mentioned there are the names of Allah's daughters. It does not answer the question![/Quote]Where ever you see Allah's daughters, they are your own imaginations. You think Allah is like the "one" who produced sons of god who saw daughters o men?


[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on November 24, 2010, 10:11 PM
If after you tell me who Massiah is, can you accept tp lose your idolatry of three gods if i show you names of Jibril (AS)
^^
Story, story. This is an example of what seyibrown called pretend ignorance. You and I know who the Messiah is---an Muhammad is not the one. You are just engaging in diversionary tactics: just post the quranic verses that say Ruuh Qudus is Gabriel; that is all you need do. No long grammar.[/Quote]You already answered the question. But you need me to show you, which am eager to do as long as you are willing to wager christianity. You cant have it your way. No way jose. By the way, while we at it, give me the name of the Holy Spirit, from the Bibe. The Messiah, who you call god the son, is named Jesus, not Immanuel, since no one, including his mother never called him that if only for once. The Creator, Sender who you call god the father is named yahweh (the Lord; not a proper name), but Eloi, Elaw, Allah are proper Names, the first two are derived from the last. Yet it is Eloi that the Bible records Jesus calling his Sender When it was crucial for him to mention His Name. What isthenaeofgod the holy spirit, in that manner? I'm sure you know it. Maybe you dont know it. If you dont know it, then there is no trinity and there is no god the holy spirit.

@Chyz: If everything in the Quran you obey, then you cant avoid the Sunnah and Hadith of the Messenger (AS), since Allah says answer the Messenger (AS) when he calls you to waht gives you life. Allah says in many parts of the Quran that if you Love Him, then obey Muhammad (AS), and He Allah Will Love you back. . . Forgiving you your sins, making your affairs easy. Allah has Sunnah, which is Purity. Part of the Sunnah on man is the Commandment to follow what He gave to Muhammad (AS).

[Quote]« #8 on: Today at 08:36:27 PM »
Quote from: stranger26 on Today at 01:18:42 PM
Assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullah,

I just saw this thread and realised that the reply I posted in your other thread is, perhaps, better suited to this one. So I'm just gonna take the short-cut and just copy-paste =)

Though I do have a few questions to add (just out of plain curiosity):
---How long have you believed in following only the Qur'an?
---What lead you to this belief?
---Do you live in Nigeria? Does the majority of your social group/community believe likewise?

Thank u.

3 years now and it feels great. It really softens the heart, frees the mind, and leaves out the doubt of following another man's influence in the teachings of Allah.[/Quote]If you reject Sunnah and Hadith, tell me how many Rakah in each salah, and why Salatul Magrib remains 3 rakah even if you are a traveler? You will not find these in the Quran, but in Hadith, Sunnah of the Prophet (AS).



[Quote]Many things. I'm a really curious person so I like to know exactly about what I am following for myself and not because someone has told me "this is how it is". I noticed there were rituals and superstitious things in the hadith that were not in the Quran so i thought to myself, do i even have to follow any of this stuff since the Quran doesn't permit me to. The Quran is Allahs own words and recordings why would i need anything else.[/QUote]While there is no ritual or superstition in what comes from Muhammad (AS), authentic hadith can not disagree with the Quran. Hence to ignore authentic hadith, because you wanna ignore what is fake hadith is completely ignoring the Messenger (AS). After all, it is him his Lord gave the message which he passed on to you, in completeness and in honesty. So are his authentic hadith, sunnah (AS). You cant have Quran and ignore authentic hadith and sunnah and say you are in full submission to Allah. Could you give me an example of Ritual and through in an example of what is superstition?



[Quote]I am living in the U.S as of now. And no everybody in the social/community group here do not believe that; however, a lot believe it and follow only the Quran.In fact i'd say the majority just follow the quran but during prayer do repect and listen to hadith teaching when the Imam gives the lecture. It all depends what mosque you go to though some do not teach the hadith at all.[/Quote]If I know how to get in touch, I will like to speak with you, and find out which community is it in the US; east coast, southern, where exactly? Islam is universal, but unfortunately, many regions of the world put their own spin on it. When you hear about a sunnah and or hadith, go to Quran. If it agrees with the Quran, if it disagrees with Quran, do not accept it, until you find a thorough explanation. If it agrees with the Quran, adopt it until you find a thorough explanation against it.

@Aletheia and Olaadegbu: « #228 on: Today at 01:43:08 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: aletheia on Today at 12:25:15 AM
^^^So where are the verses? Or are you referring to this one?

Walaqad atayna moosa alkitaba waqaffayna min baAAdihi bialrrusuli waatayna AAeesa ibna maryama albayyinati waayyadnahu biroohi alqudusi afakullama jaakum rasoolun bima la tahwa anfusukumu istakbartum fafareeqan kaththabtum wafareeqan taqtuloona

Or this one:

Tilka alrrusulu faddalna baAAdahum AAala baAAdin minhum man kallama Allahu warafaAAa baAAdahum darajatin waatayna AAeesa ibna maryama albayyinati waayyadnahu biroohi alqudusi walaw shaa Allahu ma iqtatala allatheena min baAAdihim min baAAdi ma jaat-humu albayyinatu walakini ikhtalafoo faminhum man amana waminhum man kafara walaw shaa Allahu ma iqtataloo walakinna Allaha yafAAalu ma yureedu

Is there any mention of Gabriel? Still waiting for the answer of what holiness means to Muslims.[/Quote]While you two are gittering like people with too many cups of coffee, can you tell me who is Massiah? When you give me the answer, I shall provide you with a preview of my answers. I know that aletheia doesnt have the spine to take up the challenge. Can you Olaadegbu to step in and accept my challenge since Aletheia is so scared?


[QUote]Good job there. It is pretty obvious that he can't find the verses you are asking him to post as his is presently carpeted and cornered, let's just hope that his fellow slaves who are egging him on will put him out of his misery and furnish us with those missing verses. Cheesy[/Quote]Olaadegbu, may be you can be a grown up if aletheia refused to grow up and rise up to the challenge? If after you tell me who Massiah is, can you accept tp lose your idolatry of three gods if i show you names of Jibril (AS), including where he is called RuhuQudus, in the Quran, since he was the one who brought the Quran to the heart of Muhammad (AS) in revelations. Sura Najm will be my first set up verses and finally I will show Jibril (AS), in name and in titles.

@Daylae: Re: False Prophecies Of The New Testament (bible)
[Quote]« #66 on: Yesterday at 05:29:54 PM »
@ogaga4luv: thanks for the eye-opener!
@sweetnecta
@lagoshai: when jesus said to his larger deciples "you'll do greater works than these." He knew the greatest miracle of all is winning souls for the kingdom. Even though healing the sick and raising the dead are such profound miracles,and these miracle still happen today,i don't know about your own garthering. But to win just a single soul surpasses all these. And you can imagine how much soul being won today by his christian. He knew they will do much more than he did because he knew he had a short time with them.[/Quote]While I dont know what the "larger disciples" really means compared to the 12 disciples, I can assure you that if you discount the "Miracles" that you christians laud Jesus about to be above every one else, but choose to say winning a soul is the greatest success, in the western countries, in this day and age, Islam has to be accepted as the greater success. Whites who were masters of blacks in slavery era are not brothers and being led by the blacks they used to possess. In the past 30 or so years, america had dubiously pegged muslims at 6 million people, as if people had not reverted into it, continuously and so steadily.


[QUote]And when jesus said "this generation shall not pass away before these things will come to pass," it was exactly as he said;cus immediately after his resurrection,the good news was being preached everywhere,persecution of christian started,and the gospel strive even ammong gentiles.[/Quote]Lets just assume that you were correct that people were coming in into christianity. But this was not my question. While I know that he did not die and there is no need for resurrection, I asked you if he had returned from heaven since he left, with a promise before it that he will return before the last man in the crowd that he addressed died?


[Quote]Also when he said to john"you shall tarry till i come." John did tarried. He was the only one alive ammong the twelve to recieve the revelation of events of his last coming: the amageddon,and the judgement of the devil and his followers. Christ used him to write the book of revelation . Then he will not appear to just a few. But the whole world shall behold him. The jews,the muslims,hindus,athiests,agnostics,and christians alike.[/Quote]When he left, he said he will come. Did he come before John perished? If he didnt, would you not agree it was a failed prophesy? Is John still alive, now?

@Tonye-T; « #17 on: Today at 04:31:52 PM »
[Quote]@uplawal downlawal  Grin

Sorry my Christ never preached Jihad, rather in that passage [luke 19:27] he revealed the fate of those people like you, sweetnecta, bashy bash, vedaxcool et al who would not surrender to his kingdom when he comes to reign his kingdom on the earth . . .an earth your prophet has saturated with his blood-thirsty teachings  Grin Grin

Imagine what that Poophet taught his gullibles  Grin[/Quote]Where is the sense in the above? A man who kills justly for a loaf of bread when it was 1 shilling in the day, is guilty of injustice, while the man who kills a man justly for the same parisian baguette now 2 USD is not guilty? Arent the product and or the cost equal in their times to each other, or the loaf at 1 shilling is even more expensive than the parisian baguette at 2 USD? A young man who chased old people away to the point that he broke their tables and they never returned, showed more violence than an adult who did the same thing. Imagine the potential of violence in the body of the young man, the reason I will not be surprised if I read that his associates are equipped with bags and swords, and even chop off an ear. Violence is relative; there are just violence which the receiver (an evi doer) will definitely call injustice because he is on the receiving end. There are unjust violence that the prosecutor may deem just because he is metering it out.


[Quote]Quote
Mohammed said, "Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him." Vol. 9:57
Mohammed said, " No Muslim should be killed for killing a Kafir" (infidel). Vol. 9:50[/Quote]Please show me the bold in that hadith. I know you are made of lies, so lie on.


[Quote]It will also surprise everyone who cares to believe that these dudes are told that they are no less than infidels if they dont kill one in their entire lifetime. . .what a religion!  Cry Cry Cry Grin Grin[/Quote]While Timothy has the bold, could you show it in the Arabic Quran? What Surah and verse, please?


[Quote]I know where naija is going. . gone to wait for them with a toll-gate Smiley[/Quote]With your sword and a bag, you shall come out the defeated.


[Quote]« #19 on: Today at 05:40:42 PM »
Yes He said SLAY but before that he said ENEMIES. . .meaning you'll have to choose to be an enemy before he slays you. . .that means folks like ^^ who challenges the kingdom of my Christ are his enemies and their fate is so glaring. . . SLAY! Grin Grin Grin[/Quote]The truth finaly came out. By the way, this is not a new thing confirmed. What is pitiful about you is that you lie and lie and lie and can event have the spine to confess. Instead you go into the underground like the rat you are. We have been waiting for you you to show how superstitious reality is, since satan has taught you well, you darn evil genius.

@LagosShia: « #22 on: November 22, 2010, 08:44 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on November 22, 2010, 02:37 AM
Glad tidings of Jannah and absolution

So those who emigrated and were driven out of their homes, who suffered in My cause, who fight and were slain – (will most certainly blot out from them their iniquities, and admit them into gardens beneath which rivers flow. A reward from Allah; and with Allah is the best of ‘reward (Surah Aal-`Imran: 19.5)

As-Sabiqun al Awwalun

And the early pioneers – the Muhajirin and the Ansar and those who follow them in good: Allah is pleased with them, and they are pleased with him. And He has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow, to dwell therein, forever. (at-Tawbah:100)

you are now behaving like "seyibrown" and more like "aletheia".[/QUote]They are Kufar for disbelieving Allah and in Islam and following Muhammad ibn Abdallah (AS). Alhanmdulillah if I am your Kufar for not following your thoughts, but taking the whole of Islam; not abusing or discriminating against any of the Muhajirun and the Ansar (RA).


[Quote]you have not showed me where it says you should follow the sahaba and the generations to come.or are you going to accuse me that i cannot understand because the holy spirit has not opened my eyes?[/Quote]You deal with the holy spirit yourself. I am free of your thought. I do not control your tongue. If Allah's Order and Love for the Muhajirun and the Ansar, which included Abi Bakr Siddiq, Umar Faruuq Sheriff bin Khattab and Uthman bin Affan, and others including Ali bin Abi Talib (RA Jamiah) are not enough foryou, who am I to affect you? Islam is a religion of advise. You did your best with me. May Allah reward you twice, if you are correct. I will use hikma that Ali bin Abi Talib (RA) used by following his 3 leaders (RA) to follow the 4 of them and all the sahaba (RA).


[Quote]the verses you presented are normal for anyone who does good will be rewarded.yet still,it gives no one the liberty to disobey and disreagrd Allah's command through the Prophet's mouth nor does it oblige anyone to follow anyone.[/Quote]If Ali bin Abi Talib followed the 3 kalifahs, are you therefore saying that my following his example is disobedience, while he was not in disobedience? Could you please elaborate on this.


[Quote]separately,i know very well that the verse of wilaya and the hadith of wilaya (rulership/mastership) were for no other than Ali."obey Allah and the messenger and those with authority".that refer to the chosen 12 imams that Allah gave authority and knowledge but you refuse to accept.i know for sure Allah will not tell you to obey Him and the Messenger and then order you to equally obey one corrupt caliph who used to be drunk.it doesnt make sense.[/Quote]Drinking shall not send a man to hell, if he repented. I remember I read a hadith in the past where a man was a drunk in Madina. The sahaba wanted to beat him forhis drunkenness. But the messenger (AS) stopped them saying that this drunk was a friend of Allah and His messenger (AS), similar to Umar bin Khattab before Islam had some hidden good in him, whereas Abi Jahal had none. Allah forgives all type of sins, including shirk that one repents against. Thie proof is that an idol worshiper who becomes muslim, is pure and clear from the shirk of idolatry from the point of taking shahadah.


[Quote]another verse:"your master is Allah and the Messenger and those who give zakat while they bow"."those who give zakat while they bow" is no other than Ali.it was him that gave out his ring while he was bowing in salat.muslims do not give zakat while they bow.even sunni suorces confirm that.[/Quote]I follow Quran. And I follow hadith and sunnah of Muhammad (AS). I also follow those who follow Muhammad (AS). They were his sahabas; Muhajirun, Ansar. Those who follow them, until the knowledge comes to my generation.


[Quote]my advice to you is to go and do your research very well on what Allah will hold you accountable.dont say you've not being told.[/Quote]I have many shia sheikh as friends. Some from Iran who say they are "Sherif", meaning that they are descendants of Muhammad (AS). Some from Egypt, prayed with them, ate with them. InshaAllah, I am a muslim and thats good enough for me. Ali ibn Abi Talib (RA), according to you did exactly as I am doing now, following the 3 kalifahs before him. If he was correct, by Allah I am also correct.

@Olaadegbu; Please sir, where is the tomb of Moses?

Where is the tomb of Melchezdeket?

You believe both existed, or still existing? When was Melchezdeket born? Who were his parents, his progenies, when did he die?

Somehow, I have a feeling that you will not be able to answer each of these questions to satisfy your own heart.

Olaadegbu and his suppositions. Whats the reality about a person presumed dead when he is not dead? Possibilities, he could have passed out, fainted is a proper word. Lost consciousness, or in coma.

On Monday, I received a frantic call from Nigeria that somebody is dead. The caller did not identify himself, so I called the number to affirm the truth about it. The caller asked me to speak with the mother of the "supposed deceased". While making the phone call, I realized as I was told that the caller was a staffer at the Private clinic, in Lagos.

Thank Allah, the person didnt die. The doctor (I'm sure he is aletheia), panicked because the individual was unresponsive. Imagine that conclusion in November 2010?

Transfer this experience to 2010 years before and there was your answer. This is what happened to me this past monday.

@Image123: « #12 on: Yesterday at 11:03:51 PM »
[Quote]Funny stuff. Your mouth like 'Jesus also preached jihad'. Next we go hear say 'mohamed wabilie sunmilie also preached holiness'. Day dream.[/Quote]If you cant even spell Muhammad (AS), properly, you do not deserve a response. The joke of funniness is on you, straw brain, you.


[Quote]noetic16: « #13 on: Yesterday at 11:41:10 PM »
Quote from: uplawal on Yesterday at 01:11:27 AM
Lets discuss Luke19,verse 27,pls i want honest debate here,and pls and pls dnt come here and start telling us that,what jesus meant was spiritual chopping of necks,or you wrestle not against flesh but principality and rubbish power of low place,no offence,thank you as you debate along
Grin Grin so how many crusades did Jesus fight?[/Quote]Would chasing old people doing business of money out the synagogue count? Maybe that was a test run for the one he lost with having bags and 2 miserly swords, while the enemy came in drove and well equipped? People loose their lives for being unprepared to fight. They normally get stabbed after being strung on the tree to hang. If you chew more than you can handle you get nailed. If you are not ready to fight, dont go to the school yard or Oju olomo otoo.

@Aletheia: « #925 on: Today at 01:08:42 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: bashy_demy on Yesterday at 12:55:04 PM
@aletheia you still havent' answer my Questions what happen to Moses,David,Solomon.John, Elijah, Enoch,abbraham and co can i keep going and remember Enoch and Elijah did not die unlike jesus wish was killed by enemy according to the bible guy you stupidity no get photocopy
^^^
All the listed above are in Christ Jesus and are alive:[/Quote]Moses, Solomon, Enoch, Abraham, David "father of Jesus", John son of Zacharias, and co are in christ, even Elijah? You will definitely not stop your lies. I bet you will say everything in the world and in heaven is in christ? After all you said everything is created by him, for him, through him, including evils and indeed satan who was able to tempt him.


[Quote]Quote from: aletheia on Yesterday at 09:52:19 AM
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.1
1. Romans 8:1[/Quote]Jesus didnt say it, though claimed for him. This is similar to aletheia has completely lost it, since that condition is claimed for him. If you deny this, then the claim of 1 Roman8;1 is also denied.


[Quote]But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.(Matthew 22:31-32)[/Quote]Are these men not dead? Are they not buried? We see why Bible comes into a tailspin to 180 degree, since those who ate manna from heaven were declared dead, yet by extension to their past they are children of Jacob who is still alive.


[Quote]And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering. And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elijah: Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem. (Luke 9:29-31)[/Quote]Am not going to ask how they knew these two men, but arent they dead, and not counted among the living, above, since God is the God of the living; Abrahanm, Isaac and Jacob?


[Quote]But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
(Hebrews 12:22-24)[/Quote]If this is not fairy tale, what is fairy tale?


[Quote]But you will not understand that answer because you are flesh and blood:
Quote
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. (John 3:6-[/Quote]Jesus son of Mary is born by flesh; Mary. Aletheia was born of flesh of two nigerians; his parents.


[Quote]Quote from: bashy_demy on Yesterday at 04:38:59 PM
. . .yeye Alitalia. . .
Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 01:25:40 PM
. . .aletheia is of the grade of man that the slave traders or white slave owners would love to have. . .

The Muslims' own idea of apologetics is to hurl personal abuse and hateful invective. Grin[/Quote]I dont know how truth becomes apologetic and hateful? From where i am looking at from, I see you as a gullible man that could be spun with a finger and and a string.

@Daylae: « #62 on: Today at 03:49:07 PM »
[Quote]^^ Every prophecy in the bible must come to reality even in their own time. And not all will be giving the grace to see and understand them.[/QUote]How does the above reconcile with Jesus promised to return even while some disciple was still alive? He didnt return, as promised, unless you will he was the ghost on the "day of Pentecost"? Is that it?


[Quote]Even though every prophecy about the birth,life,and resurrection of christ was fufilled in him before the eyes of the religious mogul of his days,they still believe he was not the promised messiah. And a good number of jews today are still waiting for the prophecy to come to pass,still waiting for the coming of the christ,even though all was said and done over two thousand years ago. Not everyone will have the grace to  see these prophecy coming to pass. And not everyone will understand even when they see it with their own eyes.[/Quote]I hear you. So when did "Some of you shall remain on earth when the son of man returns" came to pass?

aletheia is of the grade of man that the slave traders or white slave owners would love to have. It will not cost them more than a simple declaration of "I am your master, because I am white, hence I know that slavery under me is good for you". Read how Corinthians from Paul deluded him to not even ask the simple questions like: how is God is now 3 parts, to the point that 1 part is human like me, show all kinds and possesses every human qualities, and weakness, even to declare himself weak, servant of God? Finally seized by enemy combatants who hung him, after asking God to save him? Same God Who saved many believers like Noah, Lot, etc, even saved Moses and his followers from the hand of tyrany of Pharaoh of coptic tribe.

We may now even use the fact that God didnt save Jesus from death, according to you, since jesus begged God to do so, to proof that Jesus is absolutely not a God, and maybe not a real prophet of God, the reason the True God didnt save the Biblical Jesus, whom you call son and or even God? Is it not Biblical Jesus who proposed that a person who claims he is a prophet of God, but if everything he said does not come to past, such a faiure proofs that he was not from God?

^^^^^^ When you can grow a spine from the dish, put it on, since you dont have any, presently.

Take up my challenge, the onus of going through with it shall rest on you since I dont even know you. But I want your conscience to bite you and your heart be heavy for being a one who cant commit.

I will give you no less than 2 verses where Jibril is referred as "Holy Spirit" that brought the Quran to you, Oh Muhammad, since the Quran revelations apart from the last 4 verses of Surah Baqarah were through Jibril (AS).

I will also give you other names Jibril was called, you enemy of Pure and True Faith. Your lies are now exposed.

And mr. daylae should defend the unfulfilled statement/prophesy of the NT like Jesus saying that he will return even while some of the listeners, disciples were yet alive. Jesus never returned to earth since, and unless there is a disciple or a listener to that statement of Jesus is still alive, how is this not an unfulfilled or failed prophesy?

There are tons of them; a quick one is that those disciples will even do bigger/greater miracles than Jesus. By extensions some christians have argued that the statement of "doing greater miracles" covers them. I have asked somebody to do one of the following since Jesus didnt do any;

1). Get an amputee and grow the limb lost.

2). Raise a dead and keep him alive till after your own death, or until the last man on earth.

3). Create a man from say dirt, or anything you wish him/her from, use a chair or goat, if any is readily availabe to you.

4). Keep yourself fro death. Be the last man/woman on earth.

@Daylae: After Spanish Inquisition, Europe was almost of Muslims. Spain at least was. She set out to conquer the rest of the world; taking over south America, as we can see, all catholics, and of course the faulty claim that the continents of America were discovered, as if they were not inhabited already.

In the 1800s onward, Islam began to return to Central Europe. Today, Spain herself knows that Islam and muslims are with them. America, Brazil, Venezuela, Canada, just to name a few countries of the Americas have standing Islamic presence. Europe already conceded that Islam is there as permanent feature. No all muslims are foreigners and not all foreigners are muslims.

The renaissance of Islam in the world is in Surah Nasr. Its a small sural and you should read it. It could be titled "Victory or Success" in your English Quran. Only few verses in those among the last 15.

People are coming in into Islam. Including Igbos. That is a prophesy that is happening, today. That alone is enough.

But the brother, LagosShia provided tons of them. If none of them wakes your mind up, and people entering Islam as we speak does not, then no one is responsible for your decision.

@Yommyuk: « #177 on: Today at 06:41:24 AM »
[Quote]@Sweetnecta

It is you the devil who is a lair. Even mohammed believed in the bible.[/Quote]While I am not a devil, since you know i'm a muslims, Muhammad (AS) did not believe in the Bible. if you can give me a single verse that contain the word "Bible" in the Quran, you won all argments from here on end. This is a cheap victory for you, so get searching!



[Quote]What kind of muslim are you. The basis of my findings are in the bible. Were u there when the koran was written? but you choose to believe. kudos to you.[/QUote]I am,InshaAllah a good muslim. My belief is not based on blindness, I have evidence, and its not like 3 gods that became 1 God.



[Quote]Even the muslims in my family believe in the bible. I am amazed at your unbelief and can only pray that God will help you overcome your unbelief.[/Quote]A muslim who believes in the Bible should be asked where did he/she gets such a belief from, and why is he/she a muslims? What role is Quran playing in his/her life, and should show us theword Bible in the Quran.



[Quote]We christians cling to our faith in Christ and our conscience is clear that he was raised from death and is sitted at the right hand of the Father Almightly in Heaven.[/Quote]Cling to your lie[s] and that can never be Truth. None of these you can prove.



[Quote]Anyone who does not believe in this fact is going straight to HELL and that is the honest truth. Carry on "Iranse Esu", Eternal fire awaits you. Angry[/Quote]Audhubillahi mnal shaytahni rajim. Now ask the muslims the meaning of this. I hope you dont use something similar for "Nkan to ran e nishe; bi Jesu fun apere? If Christianity is it, with its 3 gods, I am ready for the fire. If not, where do you expect to find yourself, Yommyuk? O je gba Olorun kon shosho gbo.

@aletheia: It is true that the Messenger (AS) shall intercede for those Muslims who end up in hell. That hadith defeats your silly claims that Muhammad (AS) does not know where is going and what Allah will do to him. The Beloved of Allah knew and he is the president of those who are in Paradise.

But you shall have no intercessor for you when you end up in hell. Paradise is forbidden for those who associate god[s] with God.

^^^^^ You are naive, aletheia. Before I threw your challenge back to your face, I have in hand verse of Ruhu Qudus, Shedidu Quwah and many others in describing Jibril (AS).

I am not in the mood for your pranks, and to educate you, I want my effort to pan out, right now, the reason I asked you loose the burden off your neck. You know I like you and I want the best for you.

When you grow strength to take up the challenge, I shall post many verses for your reversion.

@Seyibrown: « #27 on: Today at 03:04:59 AM »
[Quote]Firstly, a child of God WILL NOT HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN KILLING THEIR PARTNER OR LEAVING THEM. Children of God are bound to love their partners no matter what. Even if there are serious problems, they may separate temporarily to work towards coming back together.[/Quote]Then all the mega church pastors are children of the devil, males and females of them. Even the Catholic priests caught in bed on a video by the husband of the woman he was having sex with. This religion that places a hard to obey law about what is natural and lawful between man and woman, if they are married is lacking in mercy and natural inclination of man. And you found your way into marriage? May God make your marriage a trouble free affair (Amin). If the kitchen is on fire, it is natural that people step away from it to safety, because one may be consumed if it becomes a raging inferno. marriage, which is a contract, is like that; some irreconcilable difference do occur since we are humans. Should a woman hang around and become a punching bag or killed for sticking with it? Or should a man lay down fast asleep in the home where his wife is now his worst enemy, who can just end his life to easily just as he can ends hers?



[Quote]The scripture below applies to Christians:
1 Corinthians 7:10-16 (King James Version)
10And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
11But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
12But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
13And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
14For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
15But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.
16For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?
There is NO INEQUALITY in the scriptures as provided. Both partners, male and female, have same obligations to stay![/QUote]And from the mouth of a one who cant get it on shall capable people learn about husband and wife affairs? This is similar to a little child any manners telling adults how to be an adult. Worse if you ask me. It is similar to a parrache/parrot (bird) tell humans how to be humans. A person who do not seek shelter from destructive elements that is heading towards him has himself to blame.

@Seyibrown: « #260 on: Yesterday at 06:45:20 PM »
I have to thank Allah Who has preserved me as He has, and guides my soul and heart to Islam, loving Him, and when I fear Him, run towards Him, even faster, to seek forgiveness and His Protection against His Punishment.
I am a fortunate man for being made a muslim, with clarity of mind knowing Who My Creator is, so much so that I abandon all possible temptations, denying every other gods, and avoiding sins as much as i can, by His Mercy.
I am thankful for this platform that through it I have gained more understanding, and still developing and firmly planted on the Path of Success, Islam. May Allah soften the hard hearts that fears Him, to receipt of true Aqeedah, the beautiful Iman in Islam to know that God Almighty is Complete and not deficient in any way.


[Quote]1. Is your conclusion that the Bible has been 'corrupted' based on your understanding of the Bible or your understanding of what the Quran says about the Bible?[/Quote]Based on my understanding of the Bible; the OT colliding against the NT, and NT fighting against itself. God is stated as One and Unseen in OT. The NT started out that God is Unseen, One. But by the end we see that in the Person of Jesus, God became seen and killed and a Three parter.


[Quote]On the basis of your answer in 1 above,
2. Please specify any particular books that you are certain contains 'some corrupt' (but also contains some truth) elements.[/Quote]If The Bible is the WORD of God, it should not contain anything but His Word. Hence, every Book in the Bible is corrupt. Definitely for your case, since you are a christian, the Gospels. Within each, it fights itself, and fighting other Gospels. 99.999999% pure is still corruption with 0.000001% too much. The Gospels is more corrupted that that.


[Quote]3. Please specify any book that you know is 'completely corrupt'(totally false).[/Quote]Lets start from Acts to the end. None of them is a revelation given by God to a Prophet (AS). These books are similar to the history of the companions of the Messenger (AS). These life stories may contain some hadiths, and or even verses of Quran, yet, they are less than Hadith. Gospels are higher than Acts or Epistles, etc, even Revelations, you will agree. It is these Gospels, that are similar to Hadiths. Quran has no equal in Status. You remember we spoke about false or weak or fabricated hadiths? In the Gospels, you have fabrications, false and weak verses.


[Quote]4. Please specify any book or any specific set of Laws that are from God and are therefore true[/Quote]Though corrupt, Taurah, Psalm, Gospel were from God. Laws from God are talking about God being 1, not Trinity. God deserving all Obedience, Worship, not Trinity or bowing or worshiping the worshiper, Jesus. Assumption that the Children of Israel shall remain chosen, comes rain or sunshine is false, because an evil doer cant remain favored always. He will fall from grace, proof therefore why Muhammad (AS) from the house of Ibrahim (AS), still was chosen to end all Messenger and Prophetic chain links. It only takes One BEST to keep the IDEA permanent.


[QUote]Thanks in advance[/Quote]Thank God Almighty.

@Aletheia: « #218 on: Today at 10:59:20 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 04:11:57 AM
If I call you ode, you will not know what it means, so I will refrain from it. You and Tonye-T seem to lack understanding; Who is Ruhu Qudus in the Quran but MAlaika Jbril (AS)? do you have any sense?
^^^Go and compile all the verses in the Qur'an that talk about the Holy Spirit; then come back and tell me which of them says the Holy Spirit is Gabriel.---I 'm sure you know you won't find any. So Muslims lie when they say Gabriel is the Holy Spirit.[/Quote]If I give you One or more, what will you do with your Christian faith; if you will abandon it and become Muslim, its worth my effort? If not, I will not labor for your sake. You have to declare it, right now.


[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 04:11:57 AM
I pity your mind. Your brain is sound, its your mind that is defective with the soul that works with it. The Stone in kaaba is not the direction of Qibla, but the Kaaba itself, you shallow man. People pray in all directions towards the Kaaba, including inside the kaaba. Open your mind and stop disgracing my country to the rest of the world since you are so educated, with thoughts as if where you live electricity has not gotten there! Google Inside the Kaaba and discover what you fail to realize exist. I am tired of your laziness and you are so young! Pitiful.
^^^Another of your failed assumptions. . .so you deny the existence of the Allah's Stone in the Kaa'ba?[/Quote]There is no Allah stone. If you find one, show it. You must still be living in a dense jungle. You could have researched these things before you posted terrible and non benefiting knowledge which are your assumptions, above. Why dont we wager? Are you strong enough to gamble Christianity? I am ready to hear your proofs. I am confident that you will fail.

^^^^^^ « #216 on: November 20, 2010, 05:32 AM »
[Quote]Why are you quoting yourself. Does the truth burn? Are you so angry that you cannot type properly.

Quote from: Sweetnecta on November 19, 2010, 03:28 PM
Islam is one of "Others". SO is Babalawo, or Ifa or Sango, or Osun, and many more since you are yoruba, I couldnt have said Judaism.

Thank you for reaffirming again that Islam and Idol worship are from the same root. I am not Yoruba.[/Quote]There is no place that I affirmed Islam and idolatry have the same root, from my position. In yours, yes, because i have reiterated it over and over that you are an idolater, so there you have it. You and babalawo worship something else, mixing it up with your claim that you worship God Almighty,too.I now know why you did not write John as Yoruba would have written it in Yoruba proper. The Ibile people know themselves.



[Quote] Just like you mistakenly assume that all those bearing the name "John" are Christians, you mistakenly assume that I am Yoruba.[/Quote]You presented yourself to me as a yoruba man by writing Johanu,instead of Joonu, which I corrected you on in how Yoruba would write John. I know people who are named John and are Muslims, from birth, or revert. I am somewhat disappointed because a person like you is supposed a progressive thinker. But are so regressive. Its a thing you need to change from. Elevate yourself.



[QUote]Did you ever ask me? No. Did I ever tell you that I am Yoruba? No. So you see how you betray your false assumptions which lead you astray.[/Quote]When you sprang to writing yoruba word in response to me, then you have proven, though falsely now, that you were a yoruba.



[Quote]You are a liar. Consider your own words
Quote from: Sweetnecta on November 19, 2010, 03:28 PM
If you ask me to comment on Nigeria, it will be unfamiliar to me since I do not know so much about her.
^^You cannot comment on Nigeria because it is unfamiliar to you. And yet. . .[/Quote]Its my country. You should never forget that. My heart beats for a country,it is nigeria. Alhamdulillah Allah allows longing for a place of birth.



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on November 19, 2010, 03:28 PM
But I see with my own eyes, seeing people reverting to islam, steadily, including in Igboland.
Is Igboland in the US?[/Quote]I know notable igbo muslim in Nigeria, in Enugu. Is Enugu in US, in your own geography? Around Oguta local government.



[Quote]I asked you a straightforward question: What does Holy and Holiness mean to the Muslim? But you cannot give a straight answer instead skittering all over the place like pork grease on a hot griddle. Your answers only amount to this: Holy means Holy, some people were called servant of the holy.[/Quote]Holy Prophet Muhammad (AS), is human. Holy land is a location like Makka, Holy Spirit is Malaika Jibril (AS), The Holy is Allah. And Allah has other Beautiful Names. You are so local, Aletheia. Please wake up. Life is more complex than the ordinariness you are so family.



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on November 19, 2010, 03:28 PM
Al Qudus is One ofthe 99 Names. Research it. You will find reality. Muslim bears AbdulQudus. Just he bears Abdullah.

Thereby confirming my assertions:

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Just like I thought, no Muslim can answer that question. . .al-ilah it would seem has a phobia for holiness. . .[and] he in no way educates his followers as to what that means.[/Quote]How many times is Eloi used in Torah? In Sabur? In Injil?



[Quote]I gave you an assignment:

Quote from: aletheia on November 19, 2010, 02:29 PM
You are a Muslim who claims to know his qur'an but you couldn't answer the question; al-ilah it would seem has a phobia for holiness; only twice in his qur'an does he deign to use that word for himself (your assignment is to find the two verses) but he in no way educates his followers as to what that means.

The best you could do was this --- produce just one out of two:[/Quote]One time is enough. Alhamdulillah twice is what He wishes. Now how many times was Eloi used in the whole of the 3 years that Jesus preached, including the crying out on the stake?



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on November 19, 2010, 03:28 PM
Al Qudus, is The Holy. In Surah Hashr (You have to research this for your own knowledge), Allah among Many Names is called Al Qudusu. You emit ignorance to the degree that it pains me to see you show it to the world.
^^You do realize that that makes you just an average student of your qur'an since you scored only 50%? Let me educate you. The derivative of the Arabic qudus appears six times in your qur'an (compared to a whooping 458 times in the OT for the Hebrew equivalent qodesh). In your qur'an; of these 6 times, only twice does your god use that word. It's as if he was afraid of it! The derivatives of qudus appear as alquddosi in S62:1; alquddosu in S59:23; alqudusi in S2:87, 2:253, 5:110, 16:102.[/Quote]I am not even an average student yet. What I have is assured belief. You do not have that. I reject all and deny them and I affirm Only my Creator Allah, while you associate others with Him, calling Him by nicknames including father, since the jews are forgetful and afraid of His name, they simply resort to calling Him "The lord", instead of His proper name; Allah, the reason jesus said Eloi, an accented Elaw, a derivitive from Allah.



[Quote]Thus we find in your qur'an that the Holy Spirit is referenced more times as holy than your god. This therefore means that the Holy Spirit is greater than your god![/Quote]If the bold is how you think, God save your patient for sudden death. You need help, simce the Lord is Allah, Jibril being the Holy Spirit, how is Jibril higher than his Creator? Since the devil played jesus, took him on a trip to the wilderness, carry him to a cliff, take him at another time to a mountain top, etc, i guess following your logic, you will agree that Satan is higher than your god. And whatever your god prostrated to is higher, hence the death of Trinity. And Moses was mentioned any more times than Jesus, in the Bible so he is more superior, afterall the Jews demonstrate this by following Moses and rejecting jesus.



[Quote]And to your confused mind Gabriel is the Holy Spirit:
Quote from: Sweetnecta on November 19, 2010, 03:28 PM
Qudus is Holy. Jibril is described as Ruhu Qudus; Holy spirit or spirit that is Holy.
though there is nothing in any of the qur'anic verses above that suggests so. So it is a fanciful rendition of a failed religion desperately looking for modes of validation.[/Quote]If I call you ode, you will not know what it means, so I will refrain from it. You and Tonye-T seem to lack understanding; Who is Ruhu Qudus in the Quran but MAlaika Jbril (AS)? do you have any sense?



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on November 19, 2010, 03:28 PM
Al Qudus is One ofthe 99 Names. Research it. You will find reality. Muslim bears AbdulQudus. Just as he bears Abdullah.

You can't seem to make up your mind. First the holy one is Gabriel, now he is al-ilah. So which is he? What you imply is that Gabriel = Allah.
Who or what is al-ilah? A demon masquerading as the Living One. Islam was born in lies and even to this day it continues in lies.[/Quote]The kerefi mind you have is blocking your reasoning. Is AbdulQudus, Qudus, servant/slave of Ruhu Qudus, AlQudus or is he Slave/servant of AlQudus? Let me help you; Holy is Qudus. Ruhu in Spirit, as well as Soul. In RuhuQudus, it means holy spirit. Who s Holy Spirit; Jibril, An Angel (AS). Makka is a holy land (so is Jerusalem), it is called Qudus as in hajj qudus for those who visited jerusalem with their hajj. A muslim is AbdulQudus, and Allah is Al Qudus (The Holy), just like Al RAhman.



[Quote]The single most revered object in Islam is a piece of stone-the stone of Kaa'ba. Muslims turn towards it every day-five times, to worship-in the name of Allah. This was exactly what the Pagan Arabs did-worship stones and idols.

Such hypocrisy.[/Quote]I pity your mind. Your brain is sound, its your mind that is defective with the soul that works with it. The Stone in kaaba is not the direction of Qibla, but the Kaaba itself, you shallow man. People pray in all directions towards the Kaaba, including inside the kaaba. Open your mind and stop disgracing my country to the rest of the world since you are so educated, with thoughts as if where you live electricity has not gotten there! Google Inside the Kaaba and discover what you fail to realize exist. I am tired of your laziness and you are so young! Pitiful.

@Seyibrown: Are you saying you are now ready for me to answer, or you are "Still editing"?

Further, I dont understand your new thread, because i do not see if a post is allowed, now or sometimes in the future, with some additional details first?

Glad tidings of Jannah and absolution

So those who emigrated and were driven out of their homes, who suffered in My cause, who fight and were slain – (will most certainly blot out from them their iniquities, and admit them into gardens beneath which rivers flow. A reward from Allah; and with Allah is the best of ‘reward (Surah Aal-`Imran: 19.5)



As-Sabiqun al Awwalun

And the early pioneers – the Muhajirin and the Ansar and those who follow them in good: Allah is pleased with them, and they are pleased with him. And He has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow, to dwell therein, forever. (at-Tawbah:100)

@Seyibrown: If a none virgin straightened him/herself and gets married. Then for some reason, instead of killing his/her partner get divorced, after less than 2 years of marriage. The newly divorced and now single is just 25. Are you saying that there is no more marriage for this person, or only the man can marry and the woman is not sexual leper or untouchable? Please explain how it works. If the can marry, then the woman must be able to marry, unless there is inequality in christianity? if neither can marry it is a terrible law and it lacks mercy, and allowance for mistakes and forgiveness, forcing people to stay in a relationship that is intolerable. That is oppression of the soul.