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@Olaadegbu: Read my post, above. I am not a shia. And if I were, there is no god but God Allah Who revealed Quran to His Messenger Muhammad (AS), and before revealed authentic, uncorrupted original Injil to Isa bin Maryam (AS), Sabur to Daud (AS) and Taurah to Musa (AS), and raised Messengers and Prophets from Adam (AS) and his progenies before Israel (AS), then from the branch of Israel many (AS0 and then from the branch of Ismail, Ismail (AS) before his nephew Israel, and ended the chain of Messenger and Prophet with a single link "Muhammad" (AS).

If only one person on earth belief in true Islam, such a person is the majority, far much and over the zillions who are disbelievers.

@Tonye-T and all his associates including their boss "lucifer aka satan": I just have to post this bit, and please read for yourself(ves) and see how Allah has supported Muhammad (AS), right from the hearts of the Christians, with the bold:

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« #150 on: October 21, 2010, 04:20 PM »
@Jesoul: Dear,
This one time, I disagree with you. Phrases like "You white washed sepulchres" and "evil generation of vipers" hardly seem like an example that suggests quiet.

I'm all for peace and the soppy stuff but some people need a caning. Some even needed a beheading in the old covenant (atimes I wish we were still there though I wager I'd be headless now myself).

God's way ALWAYS has been rebuke and you'll find many backing down when they see you have teeth and are ready to use them. The seeming word on the street is that being a believer requires a head filled with 50/50 doses of stupidity and cowering. That is not true and so, wit and suitable Jesus mimicking of the sort above does a bit of good. That, is this rude "boys" opinion.

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« #151 on: October 21, 2010, 04:28 PM »
NuclearSir, would it sound like a contradiction if I said I agree 100% with you?
I just think there a difference (sometimes subtle) between insulting and rebuking.

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« #152 on: October 21, 2010, 04:35 PM »

Nope, no contradiction there now you explain your stand.
Would it make sense if I said that most times, the rebuke is found BECAUSE of the insult?

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Quote from: nuclearboy on October 21, 2010, 04:35 PM
Nope, no contradiction there now you explain your stand.
Would it make sense if I said that most times, the rebuke is found BECAUSE of the insult?
Lol. I heard that brother. I know that's true a good portion of the time. And you I think are particularly skilled in that dispensation Grin we all have our gifts abi? Cheesy

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« #154 on: October 21, 2010, 04:49 PM »

Well, thats a "gift" that has put me on the side of rebellion most my life. I can tell stories of apoplectic rage and mindless laughter. Truth be told, most of us take ourselves too seriously which is why external perception mean so much to us. I think it is the thing that ought be called herd instinct in Man.
Why, if truly mature and successful, should what someone else thinks of me, change the price of fish in my head? But its so for most and thus, they can be controlled and/or motivated as desired. Grin Simply a case of "pawn to K4". Grin

Hope I didn't just become a sibling of satan in your estimation!

@Olaadegbu: Do you say God Messenger, God grant him salvation and bless all his family when you are talking about God? Whatever made a person called Muhammad (AS), his own lord, Muhammad (AS) is free from it. So are all muslims who do not call the Messenger (AS), lord. This freeing from it of Muhammad is exactly as the freeing from it of Jesus son of Mary (AS) of your calling him God, son of God.

I will advice you to use wisdom before present a matter to muslims about Islam.

@denitro: « #16 on: Today at 12:44:06 PM »
[QUote]funny that he is quoting that scripture because
Ephesians 2:20 quotes
That the church
is built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone];

So according to LagosShia

The church is built upon the foundation of prophets (Muhammed) with Jesus Christ himself being the
chief corner stone

Now that will be stretching the scriptures, don't u think?[/Quote]While LagosShia never said what you said he said, we must also understand that Ephesians was not from Jesus and no "Church" is known to the Jews. It could not have been possible that Jesus who worshipedin a Jewish temple will now propose a church, in his Aramaic language. But what is important, the reason for this thread is that you follow the verses quoted by my brother and follow what you said Jesus said by following the way of the Guide, the Another Comforter, unless you are saying that the Bible does not tell you that?

@Seyibrown: « #11 on: Yesterday at 11:25:59 PM »
[Quote]@poster
The real problem of the anti-christ is the 'messiahship of Jesus Christ'. The anti-christ will embrace Christianity as long as Jesus 'the messiah' is preached as Jesus 'the ordinary prophet'. It is not surprising that the new fad is to weave Islam into the Bible. When are you gonna tell us Mohammed is the Messiah and support it with Bible Scriptures? Grin We know the trick - the Bible's already warned us about the 'fake' peace negotiation! We know who our Lord Jesus is and we know who the Holy Spirit is, and they have nothing in common with Mohammed![/Quote]I dont think you noticed that the label of the anti christ fits you, if you ignore the many verses the brother presented? if you reject the verses and stick with the others, your problem is who is right, you and the bible writers or Jesus who said what he said? Rather that you go into your home and meditate about it and wonder how Jesus could have said 2 opposite statements on a subject matter, except someone had entered corruptions and tag Jesus with it. Muhammad (AS) is not a messiah to a 12 tribe, Allah calls him mercy and a way of forgiveness for all mankind (@nd to the last verse of Surah Taubah). The whole world is far larger and more important that the children of Israel will ever be.


@aletheia (m): « #12 on: Today at 05:57:01 AM »
[QUote]+
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John 10:26-28 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.[/Quote]How does this nullify all the verses that the brother quoted? You need to start thinking with wider lens, instead of this blinder you go about with.

^^^^I think many are unknowingly putting igbo people down, if you think that the converts are insincere and are doing it only in deceit or disguise. this cant be the case, since from the same bloodline, in the same family people make decisions that are unique to the particular person. there are many igbos that i have spoken to in nigeria who became muslims, and are now fathers and even grandfathers, whose bloodlines are now purely islam.

Islam is not forbidden to igbo people. many have converted outside nigeria, as well. before Makka and Madina and arabs accepted islam, they were pagans. the situation of the igbos is better than that of the birth place of the Prophet (AS) before Islam of Muhammad. Okeke, Chukwuma, etc, inshaAllah, islam will enter big time the heart of igboland and igbo people.

only people with low esteem will assume that igbo muslims are opportunitists, and not so in christendom, since it is not the originnal religion of igbo people, too. igbo muslim lived with me about 8 years ago. i met him, fully muslim in america. imagine that! what opportunity is the guy seeking from muslim nigerians in america, when he was not even associating with nigerians?

@Aletheia: « #208 on: Yesterday at 09:48:27 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 02:57:29 AM
Maybe you are not even a father, probably one of those who refuse to marry and have offspring.

Cast aspersions all you wish. I'm not obliged to disclose to you details of my marital status or parenthood[/Quote]I dont care about it.



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 02:57:29 AM
Imagine a chriatian with Aletheia as id, similar to Alicia, Alecia, Althea is saying that I will leave Aletheia alone, but will say Dhul Quarnayn may be his daughter's name? At least Surah Kahf is supposed to be read after Magrib of Thursday and before Magrib of Friday for protection against Shaytan for the week. Aletheia, you think you are talking to those who write Joonu as Johanu, the way you wrote it in the past?


Anyone who see your feminine name will know what I mean. Just imagine if I was not generous in my writing, imagine how lost in the forest of understanding you will be? You cant imagine it.

Herein you display the cloud of confusion that Satan uses to befuddle Muslims and keep them in abysmal darkness. Firstly, my nairaland handle is written aletheia--- a word, not Aletheia---the name. There is a subtle difference that escapes you. Secondly, who else to bear the name of aletheia but a Christian? Thirdly, the is nothing feminine about aletheia, afterall Jesus Himself referred to himself by Aletheia. You will never understand aletheia in a million years of striving unless the Holy Spirit reveals it to you. Aletheia is a Greek word; perhaps that will point you to its meaning.[/Quote]Whats the difference between aletheia, and Aletheia, except one start out with lower case and the other capital case of the same letter? Jesus spoke Aramaic, not even hebrew, the reason he said Eloi, a derivitive of Elaw, which has its root in Allah, yet you are not ashamed to flaunt greek as the symbolism of your identity? You are almost a shame in your thinking,if you dont know that Satan has captured your thoughts, which is the only reason that you are throwing Trinity and greek among other thing as if they are reality.



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 02:57:29 AM
While the question asked by the Quraishi of Makka came from the Jews of Madina, it is therefore indicative of their assumed exclusive knowledge of religious tradition. . .
^^You do go interminably on and on, while avoiding the question:[/Quote]The Question of Dhul Quarnayn was asked by the Jews. So we looked into their Torah.Not your New Testament. We found the answer there, the reason the Jews didnt raise their voice about it, again.



[Quote]So between the time of your prophet and now, what happened to the gate that Dhul Qarnayn built?

Your qur'an says the gate was a physical structure built of iron. It's purpose was to hold back the invading hordes of Gog and Magog until just before the Last Day. Since the Last Day is still in the future; then the Dhul Qarnayn's gate should still be in existence today.[/Quote]Ara oko nie. Since you are yoruba man, you know what I mean unlike Tonye-T which that expression is foreign to. Go to the area of the world where the event of Dhul Quarnayn took place. You will find it there. When the event shall take place, it will be as Allah says it and th prophet (AS) explains it.



[Quote]Where is it? Either tell us or let it be shown that the qur'an lies; for what it described as existing cannot be found.[/Quote]you better get out of Nigeria, sometimes to see the world. There are people alive outside the nigerian boarder, you know.



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 02:57:29 AM

The Story of Dhul-Qarnayn Allah says to His Prophet ,

His traveling and reaching the Place where the Sun sets (the West)

You dropped the rest of the verse and added West. You are mistranslating the qur'an. That makes you an infidel for you disagree with what your qur'an wrote.[/Quote]In the evening, please watch the sunset and tell me if it is not the West that it sets in, opposite the east where it rises? You lack ability to observe and understand.



[Quote]Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.[/Quote]There is a place called black sea. Do you know that area? People live there and the water is not as clear as the caribbean sea. When you are at the sea shore at sunset, you will see the sun as if it is setting in the far end of the water, because thats the farthest horizon because our vision has limitation.



[Quote]Let me reiterate:
Two points need to be observed here. The qur'anic verse does not say, "When he saw the setting of the sun" but it says "when he reached the setting-place of the sun". The word "reached" denotes a place, and not a view. The second point is that the qur'an does not say he "saw it setting in a muddy spring" but that he "found it setting in a muddy spring". Furthermore, it says that he "found" nearby a People. If Dhul-Qarnayn's experience according to the qur'an was merely an experience of vision, there would have been no need to specify the place or the people near that place, for the sun always rises and sets on everybody and this sight is experienced by everyone.[/Quote]Education in nigeria needs to be revamped. A warrior arrive at this place, for the first time, he reached it in the evening time, hence to him on that jorney "it is the setting of the sun", because when he reach another place, in the morning it was the rising of the sun. As he observed the sun at the time,in that evening, because the water was muddy, he found the sun setting on the muddy water/spring". Free your mind the rest will follow.



[Quote]The word [b]"found" (wagada) and its derivatives are mentioned 107 times in the Qur'an. It is never used as seeing.
[/b]
So your argument that:
Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 02:57:29 AM
I found you here. What does it mean to you? Is it different from I saw you her, whether you are there before me, at the same time I arrived before you.
is untenable. We are dealing with Arabic not English colloquialisms.

The language is clear though you try to play footloose with it. Your book describes a physical place; and goes further to describe a spring as the actual site. Of course this is in keeping with what people believed about the sun in the period when Muhammad was alive.

You referred me to Ibn Kathir; and yet the historian Ibn Kathir claimed Dhul Qarnayn was a contemporary of Abraham! That would certainly not make him Cyrus. I notice that much of what you posted is lifted from Wikipedia. This only proves my earlier point that you knew little of Dhul Qarnayn and were only seeking to buy time to cover your ignorance[/Quote]Until you are a specialist in Arabic language, you are simply talking out of ignorance. You are not even using Aramaic to argue Christianity, you are now pretending to know what Arabic word means, when your heart is not with any substantive True Belief.



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 02:57:29 AM
His Journey to the Land of Ya'juj and Ma'juj, and building the Barrier

The Barrier restrains Them, but It will be breached when the Hour draws nigh

So he built a barrier. Where is the barrier?

P.S. In any case, I am not going to respond further on this thread to the issue of Dhul Qarnayn, since this belongs to Seyibrown, and I stand the risk of derailing it. Should you wish to discuss further the lies of the qur'an concerning Dhul Qarnayn; you can open another thread and invite me to it.[/Quote]Go to that are of the black sea area of the world. Heck, go on the internet and research it and dont be such a lazy man to find knowledge that will benefit you.

i think aletheia is drunk with half knowledge and lack of his venturing outside nigeria. even has places he has not reached or people he will be amazed to see. a person told me that there is still a people in nigeria who are naked. then aletheia is asking where is the barrier, of Dhul Qaurnayn!

if it is a ruin, now, who says that Allah overnight from a single person creates the Yajuj wa Majuj and the barrier anew so that the event will happen at the time that it will happen?

I pray that I am not alive when it does happen regardless of how long I live. Amin.

Power of Allah; on me as a person. my sight was compromised since winter of 2005. Allah restored it to normal just after this past month. That Allah is capable of making the impossible, in the eye of Aletheia whose soul is in perpetual stumber, happens. It is nothing beyond the Command of Allah.

@LagosShia: « #41 on: Yesterday at 01:36:39 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 12:52:24 AM
@Zubeyr; « #34 on: Today at 03:37:05 PM »May Allah forgive all of us, and guide our hearts to what is good. Amin. , No one is a full scholar that will say he is a scholar, unless those who are arrogant.

it is amazing how people whose intent is to conceal the truth from the vast number of people is asking for forgiveness and talking about arrogance and yet claiming he is no scholar, or rather as he terms it "full scholar".dont you fear Allah?if you hate me,no problem,i can understand.but fear me not but fear Allah and be just.treat people with good manners.the holy Quran says to demonstrate how kind and good mannered the Prophet was with his contemporaries:[/Quote]How do you conclude that I fear you? Where in the piece I wrote that you discovered that I said I am a scholar, even a student of Islam, or how you think I have hatred for you? Where am I concealing the truth, that my bloodline have hanged on to, I was born on and I have not at anytime doubted it in close to 60 years? Your Islam may be different fro mine, but I will always be a muslim till the day of my death, and beyond. I have no enmity towards a human, and muslims are people i love for the pleasure of Allah. Please, say what you know, and dont read my mind, since it will be impossible for you to. Id Mubarackah Sayd to you and all.



[Quote]16:125 Call unto the way of thy Lord with wisdom and fair exhortation, and reason with them in the better way. Lo! thy Lord is Best Aware of him who strayeth from His way, and He is Best Aware of those who go aright.[/Quote]ay Allah count us among those who are aright. Amin.



[Quote]Allah can forgive you for not fasting,praying,drinking,womanizing and all the sins you commit out of negligence or actions against the will and obligations to God,but Allah will never forgive you or anyone for concealing the truth,distorting,or misrepresenting it.Allah will not forgive you for not enjoining the good and not forbidding evil.that is the essence of islam as the Quran tells us that we"muslims are the best of nation brought out for mankind,enjoining good (amr bil maroof) and forbidding evil (nahi anil munkar).here we have you trying to lessen or belittle the sunnah of the Prophet and trying to conceal parts of it.[/Quote]My brother in Islam, I now live in 20/21st century, if you decide to be the enemy of Abu Bakr, Umar (RA) and others and states from your own opinion that I have no love for Ali ibn Abi Talib (RA), you are on your own in your decision, because you do not know my heart and I do not know yours. I take Islam 100%, and practice the sunnah as it comes to my knowing it. I will not go in the middle of the companions of the Messenger (AS) and select as my heart desires. I take them all.Whoever Muhammad ibn Abdallah loved, I love that person for the sake of Allah because He ordained that I take what His Messenger gives and rejects what he forbids. I have defended Islam in the best way I can; talk about Islam and make dawah to those who listen.



[Quote]i am telling you you have and must accept Ali as the first successor to the prophet and no one else (not abu bakr) because the Prophet with instruction from Allah appointed Ali as the first of 12 sucessors.you reply me by telling you love Ali,so in other words it is ok if you deny his right and his rightful position that Allah has given him.the Prophet told us he is leaving behind the thaqalain (the two weighty things)-the Quran and his Ahl-al-bayt (household members).he said if we hold on to them we will never go astray.how well do you follow that?how well did those you put on par with the Ahl-al-bayt obey this sunnah and instruction from the Prophet?those you praise from the days of the Prophet (because they were sahaba) also have to obey this instruction.this instruction is for all muslims,both in the past and present when the Prophet declared Ali as sucessor,the verse of completion of religion was revealed:"today i (Allah) have completed your religion for you (mankind),and perfected my favor upon you and is please with islam as a religion".Imamate is the completion and perfection of deen.but you reject that nimah (favor).when someone wants to hold a dialogue to raise awareness he is told to shut up and "go to hell" and his posts are all deleted.you must accept the imams of the ahl-al-bayt (the household of the Prophet) as the divinely chosen guides and leaders to guide us and no one else.you can delete my posts all that you want.i rest my case with Allah and his messenger.Allah will judge between us.[/Quote]Ali ibn Abi Talib (RA) knew Muhammad (AS) more than you or I can. Whatever his decision that made him accepted Abu Bakr, Umar bin Khattab and Uthman bin Affan (RA as 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Kilafa) before him, I follow his wisdom and accepted what he accepted. I do not disagree with his wisdom, do doI disagree with the wisdom of the others. May Allah forgive all the leadership of Islam that have passed, indeed all muslims, and even all of us who are alive now, and those who will come in the future, till end of time. With my weakness in Islam, I am comfortable confident that I'm on the right path. My Lord is my Witness that I follow Muhammad (AS) with wholeheartedness. I do not practice hyphenated Islam. I am just a muslim, as Allah says in the Quran. By the way, I am not responsible for your post being deleted. I was banned just the other week. I have no influence of any kind and I dont know anyone. i dont wanna be dragged into a mess.

@Aletheia: « #201 on: Yesterday at 11:32:17 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 02:40:36 PM
^^^If you have noticed that I have called you AliTalia, after Italia Airline, tempted but with restraint wanted to call you Althea, name of Female, I simply asked if Aletheia was your daughter's name, unless you decided to switch like that. You are a grown person and if you are not a woman, its out of curiousness that I asked if Aletheia is your daughter's? I see that you lack imagination and just dont get it, unless even the obvious is spelled out, in its completeness to you.

Really? Typical twisting and turning tactics of Islamic polemics. Where did you ask me if aletheia is my daughter's name? Here are your exact words.
[/Quote]I didn't know you can read mind, and know what locks in the heart that is not revealed? You are better than Jesus therefore, because he didnt know the unseen like the future event, same as whats unrevealed. In the past, I had wrote Alitalia, and siply wrote sorry in bracket. The below, reference to your daughter is in the same light. I wonder what will make me deny anything to you? If I said what I meant was what I said, you aught to accept it, at least in its face value, similar to "for the work", said Jesus when they refused to accept or believe him.



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on November 10, 2010, 12:22 AM
And do you know who Dhul Qarnayn was? Why are you tripping? By the way is that your daughter's name? May Allah make her a light and honoring soul, for you and the rest of the family and make her muslima, cutting off Kufr from your family tree. Amin.[/Quote]Maybe you are not even a father, probably one of those who refuse to marry and have offspring. Imagine a chriatian with Aletheia as id, similar to Alicia, Alecia, Althea is saying that I will leave Aletheia alone, but will say Dhul Quarnayn may be his daughter's name? At least Surah Kahf is supposed to be read after Magrib of Thursday and before Magrib of Friday for protection against Shaytan for the week. Aletheia, you think you are talking to those who write Joonu as Johanu, the way you wrote it in the past?



[Quote]In order to avoid misunderstanding: spell it out since I lack imagination. Anyone reading above will see that you are talking about Dhul Qarnayn. You need to learn the act of summarizing:[/Quote]Anyone who see your feminine name will know what I mean. Just imagine if I was not generous in my writing, imagine how lost in the forest of understanding you will be? You cant imagine it.



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 02:40:36 PM
Considering the wealth of Knowledge in Islam, indeed the Quran, no one is able to know everything.

All the tomes and epistles you posted above only prove one point; you Muslims are not sure who Dhul Qarnayn is. Of course Cyrus is mentioned in the Bible by name before he even appeared on the scene of World History.
Isa 45:1  Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;. But Cyrus is not Dhul Qarnayn.[/Quote]While the question asked by the Quraishi of Makka came from the Jews of Madina, it is therefore indicative of their assumed exclusive knowledge of religious tradition. So seeing that Cyrus wasin the Bible, and others like Alexander are not, lends credit to what the Muslim proposed.



[Quote]This clearly demonstrates the superiority of the Bible as the revelation from the One who knows the End from Beginning; unlike the qur'an that borrows from the Mishnah, Talmud and other fables and only provides vague insinuations that Muslim scholars are unsure as to what the intent and meaning is. Moreover you went on to make a categorical assertion:[/Quote]You will notice that the jews, upon the Quraishi reporting back to them of what the prophet (AS) said concerning the three questions, they did not raise their voice, and fro that point on, especially when the muslims were trickling into Madina, knew that their hope of having a Jew being the expected Prophet was dashed.



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 03:14:15 PM
The ruins of this barrier still exist. Molana Abolkalam Azad noted that these barbarians were called different names in different areas. The Greeks referred to them as the "Lytes". In more recent times in Europe, they had been called the "Magyars" and in Asia the "Tatars". They could be identified with the Mongols (for more details, see Cyrus the Great (Zolqarnain), by Molana Abolkalam Azad, translated by Bastani Parizi, in particular Chapter 6).

So you agree that if the barrier actually existed (doubtful). . .it is currently in ruins. And yet your qur'an does imply that at some time in the future the millions of Gog and Magog will be let through the barrier that Dhul-Qarnayn built and they will cause a lot of destruction to the mankind. So why is it currently in ruins then?
Concerning that event here is what your hadith says:

Narrated An-Nawwas ibn Sam'an:
. . .Then a people whom Allah had protected will come to Jesus, son of Mary, and he will wipe their faces and inform them of their ranks in Paradise. It will be under such conditions that Allah will reveal to Jesus these words:
I have brought forth from among My servants such people against whom none will be able to fight; you take these people safely to Tur, and then Allah will send Gog and Magog and they will swarm down from every slope. The first of them will pass the lake of Tiberias and drink out of it. And when the last of them passes, he will say: There was once water there(Sahih Muslim, Book 40, Number 7015).[/Quote]You always manage to disclose your ignorance, in every turn.The God Who created Adam from dust, created Jesus without a male, and when Mary was in labor raised for her in an instant from a stump of palm date tree, a living tree with fully bunch of ripened fruit, so that the delivery is easy on her and bring forth water to clean the baby could not create or reconstitute "Gog and Magog" so that it meets what Isa bin Maryam will have to do?



[Quote]No where in history is it recorded that a mighty horde descended on Lake Tiberias and drank it all up. In fact Lake Tiberias still exists so by the qur'an's logic the gate must still be in tact imprisoning the hordes of Gog and Magog.
Indeed your prophet believed it was still intact in his time.
Narrated Zainab bint Jahsh:
That one day Allah's Apostle entered upon her in a state of fear and said, "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah! Woe to the Arabs from the Great evil that has approached (them). Today a hole has been opened in the dam of Gog and Magog like this." The Prophet made a circle with his index finger and thumb (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 88, Number 249).

So between the time of your prophet and now, what happened to the gate that Dhul Qarnayn built?[/Quote]Is Isa bin Maryam (AS) here yet? You need to start thinking straight.



[Quote]Where are the invading hordes of Gog and Magog?[/Quote]Is Isa bin Maryam (AS)here yet?



[Quote]The qur'an tells us that Dhul-Qarnayn shut in Gog and Magog behind the gate he built and that they will not be able to get out until the end time. What is the geography of the world that enabled Dhul-Qarnayn to shut these nations behind one gate? How could Dhul-Qarnayn with one gate shut in those nations? The answers to these questions clearly show that the qur'an is incorrect. If incorrect, then it is clearly fallible. If fallible then it is not from God and is a false book. When one examines the legends of Alexander; one is forced to conclude that the story concerning Dhul-Qarnayn in the qur'an has come from the Legends concerning Alexander the Great.[/Quote]As I observed the Children of Israel, one finds that in the time of their enslavement in Egypt, if a man had said these people will somehow control a country called America, even one of them will be a Prime inister of a country called England, people like you then will say he was lying. You are ore in line with the arrogance and manners of Pharaoh. I gave characteristics of Cyrus, and all you could was ake a statement about Alexander, without any analysis of his person as to what Quran says of Dhul Quarnayn?



[Quote] Moreover in the verses concerning Dhul-Qarnayn; your qur'an makes the explicit claim that the sun sets in a spring of muddy water.[/Quote]How is Black sea, and why do they call it black sea? Just imagine a man who arrived at the shore of that sea at sunset? What would he see of the sunset effect on the black sea?



[Quote]18: 83-86.
They will ask thee of Dhu'l-Qarneyn. Say: I shall recite unto you a remembrance of him. Lo! We made him strong in the land and gave him unto every thing a road. And he followed a road. Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.

Two points need to be observed here. The qur'anic verse does not say, "When he saw the setting of the sun" but it says "when he reached the setting-place of the sun". The word "reached" denotes a place, and not a view. The second point is that the qur'an does not say he "saw it setting in a muddy spring" but that he "found it setting in a muddy spring". Furthermore, it says that he "found" nearby a People. If Dhul-Qarnayn's experience according to the qur'an was merely an experience of vision, there would have been no need to specify the place or the people near that place, for the sun always rises and sets on everybody and this sight is experienced by everyone.

The word "found" (wagada) and its derivatives are mentioned 107 times in the Qur'an. It is never used as seeing.[/QUote]I found you here. What does it mean to you? Is it different from I saw you her, whether you are there before me, at the same time I arrived before you. Aletheia o. Go to tafsir ibn Kathir on Surah kahf. then read what was written in the 5 headers;

The Story of Dhul-Qarnayn Allah says to His Prophet ,

His traveling and reaching the Place where the Sun sets (the West)

His Journey East

His Journey to the Land of Ya'juj and Ma'juj, and building the Barrier

The Barrier restrains Them, but It will be breached when the Hour draws nigh

@Zubeyr; « #34 on: Today at 03:37:05 PM »
[Quote]I wish as Muslims we can get along but our problem is ignorance people like sweetnecta should know better and go further their knowledge in Islam before spreading lies up in here suggesting that[b] 50%[/b] of the Koran was about Prophet Musa was not only a big lie but also an insult to the intelligence of people here Koran out 114 chapters or surahs has only mentioned Prophet Musa in 13 surahs
An other problem with sweetnecta she is eager to use some Arabic words but she screwed up every time she mispilled Uhud as Huud Wahshi as Waashi Jahiliyyah as Jahaliyah[/Quote]May Allah forgive all of us, and guide our hearts to what is good. Amin. Arabic word is oral. The West African, for example for the most part say Shin, instead of Sin. It does not matter how I spelled it. I have seem people who spelled Mubarak with a "C" before the K. Others spell Muhammad with an "E" before before the D, while instead of U, they write O. My primary concern is this, a good portion of the Quran is about Musa at least. His life, his condition with Fir'awn, his leadership with the Children of Israel, and other passing references about him. Alhamdulillah, a muslim who made a mistake in good intention to explain Islam, gets reward for effort. If he or she is correct, the reward is doubled. No one is a full scholar that will say he is a scholar, unless those who are arrogant. By the way I am a male, since you have taken the time out to read my post, my gender should have been obvious. But its understandable, since you saw "Sweet" in my name.


[Quote]An other point we as Sunnis shouldn't dismiss every thing about Shia especially when it comes to the love of Ahl elbeyt ( Family of the Prophet ) The Prophet ask us to love them as a sign of gratitude to him Allah says "Say (O Mohamed to mankind ) I do not ask of you any reward for it except for Love for my near relatives "Koran 42:23 but to my Shia I hope they understand that this verse include our love also to Seyida Aisha and Seyida Hafsa wives of the Prophet and daughters of the first two caliphs the sad thing is Shia Scholars don't hesitate to rant and insult those two great Noble women which is wrong and unacceptable by any standard[/Quote]May Allah reward you for efforts. Amin.

This is "Appendix A: Qur'anic Verses on Moses" of the book The Mystery of Israel in Ancient Egypt: The Exodus in the Qur'an, the Old Testament, Archaeological Finds, and Historical Sources. The Qur’an recounts details of the story of Moses in a number of chapters. For easy reference, this appendix compiles the longest of these accounts, presented in ascending order of length. We have not included the story of Moses’ spiritual journey looking for a certain wise man (18.60-82). This journey, in which he was accompanied with an unnamed assistant, is rather unrelated to the history of the nation of Israel. Passing references to Moses’ story are found in other Qur’anic chapters also.

I really dont know where to begin with you, Tonye-T. You have disappeared; turning on your heel, like your master shaytan (Laanatullah). You have no back bone, man. You are spineless as they come. An infant is better than you, right now, because he/she at least know that the warmth of mother is comforting. You have one thing going for you; you are alive and my advise to you is that you should not die depending on anyone, but your Creator.

I am certain that Jesus will not be there to support you. He needed support himself; read your Bible for confirm what I affirm here. The ghost wil not be there either. You are on your own, with shaytan unless you turn away from him. Indeed, he is an open enemy to you, but has managed to confound you, making your path to spiritual failure seemingly the path to success in your eye.

I remember that the Christians call the deceiver lucifer. If he was according to the Bible wage war against Yahweh, played Jesus after that, if the Human Messenger (AS) said Shaytan is a con artist, and gave hadith to illustrate this, why is it Superstition?

Surah Araf on Shaytan continues:


Shaytan's Deceit with Adam and Hawwa' and Their eating from the Forbidden Tree

Allah states that He allowed Adam and his wife to dwell in Paradise and to eat from all of its fruits, except one tree. We have already discussed this in Surat Al-Baqarah. Thus, Shaytan envied them and plotted deceitfully, whispering and suggesting treachery. He wished to rid them of the various favors and nice clothes that they were enjoying. (He (Shaytan) said) uttering lies and falsehood, ("Your Lord did not forbid you this tree save you should become angels, '') meaning, so that you do not become angels or dwell here for eternity. Surely, if you eat from this tree, you will attain both, he said. In another Ayah, (Shaytan whispered to him, saying: "O Adam! Shall I lead you to the Tree of Eternity and to a kingdom that will never waste away'') [20:120].


Here, the wording is similar, so it means, `so that you do not become angels' as in; ((Thus) does Allah make clear to you (His Law) lest you go astray. ) [4:176] meaning, so that you do not go astray, and, (And He has affixed into the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you [16:15] that is, so that the earth does not shake with you. (And he Qasamahuma), swore to them both by Allah, saying, ("Verily, I am one of the sincere well-wishers for you both.'') for I was here before you and thus have better knowledge of this place. It is a fact that the believer in Allah might sometimes become the victim of deceit. Qatadah commented on this Ayah, "Shaytan swore by Allah, saying, `I was created before you, and I have better knowledge than you.


Therefore, follow me and I will direct you.''' [22]. So he misled them with deception. Then when they tasted of the tree, that which was hidden from them of their shame (private parts) became manifest to them and they began to cover themselves with the leaves of Paradise. And their Lord called out to them (saying): "Did I not forbid you that tree and tell you: Verily, Shaytan is an open enemy unto you'') (23. They said: "Our Lord! We have wronged ourselves. If You forgive us not, and bestow not upon us Your mercy, we shall certainly be of the losers.'') Ubayy bin Ka`b said, "Adam was a tall man, about the height of a palm tree, and he had thick hair on his head. When he committed the error that he committed, his private part appeared to him while before, he did not see it.


So he started running in fright through Paradise, but a tree in Paradise took him by the head. He said to it, `Release me,' but it said, `No, I will not release you.' So his Lord called him, `O Adam! Do you run away from Me' He said, `O Lord! I felt ashamed before You.''' Ibn Jarir and Ibn Marduwyah collected this statement using several chains of narration from Al-Hasan from Ubayy bin Ka`b who narrated it from the Prophet . However, relating the Hadith to Ubayy is more correct. Ibn `Abbas commented on the Ayah, (And they began to cover themselves with the leaves of Paradise.) "Using fig leaves.'' This statement has an authentic chain of narration leading to Ibn `Abbas. Mujahid said that they began to cover themselves with the leaves of Paradise, "Making them as a dress (or garment).''


Commenting on Allah's statement, (Stripping them of their raiment) [7:27] Wahb bin Munabbih said, "The private parts of Adam and Hawwa' had a light covering them which prevented them from seeing the private parts of each other. When they ate from the tree, their private parts appeared to them.'' Ibn Jarir reported this statement with an authentic chain of narration. Abdur-Razzaq reported from Qatadah, "Adam said, `O Lord! What if I repented and sought forgiveness' Allah said, `Then, I will admit you into Paradise.' As for Shaytan, he did not ask for forgiveness, but for respite. Each one of them was given what he asked for.''


Ad-Dahhak bin Muzahim commented, ("Our Lord! We have wronged ourselves. If You forgive us not, and bestow not upon us Your mercy, we shall certainly be of the losers.'') "These are the words that Adam received from his Lord.'' 24. (Allah) said: "Get down, one of you an enemy to the other. On earth will be a dwelling place for you and an enjoyment for a time.'') (25. He said: "Therein you shall live, and therein you shall die, and from it you shall be brought out (resurrected).'')

Surah Araf on Shaytan continues:


This is why there is a Hadith that encourages seeking refuge with Allah from the lures of Shaytan from all directions. Imam Ahmad narrated that `Abdullah bin `Umar said, "The Messenger of Allah used to often recite this supplication in the morning and when the night falls, (O Allah! I ask You for well-being in this life and the Hereafter. O Allah! I ask You for pardon and well-being in my religion, life, family and wealth. O Allah! Cover my errors and reassure me in times of difficulty. O Allah! Protect me from before me, from behind me, from my right, from my left and from above me. I seek refuge with Your greatness from being killed from below me.)'' Waki` commented (about being killed from below), "This refers to earthquakes.'' Abu Dawud, An-Nasa'i, Ibn Majah, Ibn Hibban and Al-Hakim collected this Hadith, and Al-Hakim said, "Its chain is Sahih. ''


18. (Allah) said (to Iblis): "Get out from this (Paradise), Madh'uman Madhura. Whoever of them (mankind) will follow you, then surely, I will fill Hell with you all.'') Allah emphasized His cursing, expelling, banishing and turning Shaytan away from the uppermost heights, saying; Ibn Jarir said, "As for Madh'um, it is disgraced.'' And he said, "Madhur is the distanced, that is, he is banished and expelled.'' `Abdur-Rahman bin Zayd bin Aslam said, "We do not know of any who is Madh'uh and Madhmum except for one.'' Sufyan Ath-Thawri narrated from Abu Ishaq from At-Tamimi from Ibn `Abbas, (Get out from this (Paradise), Madh'uman Madhura) "despised.'' `Ali bin Abi Talhah reported that Ibn `Abbas commented on, (Get out from this (Paradise), Madh'uman Madhura) [7:18] "Belittled and despised'', while As-Suddi commented, "Hateful and expelled.''


Qatadah commented, "Cursed and despised'', while Mujahid said, "Expelled and banished.'' Ar-Rabi` bin Anas said that `Madh'um' means banished, while, `Madhura' means belittled. Allah said, (Whoever of them (mankind) will follow you, then surely, I will fill Hell with you all.) This is similar to ((Allah) said: "Go, and whosoever of them follows you, surely, Hell will be the recompense of you (all) an ample recompense. And gradually delude those whom you can among them with your voice, make assaults on them with your cavalry and your infantry, share with them wealth and children, and make promises to them.'' But Shaytan promises them nothing but deceit. "Verily, My servants -- you have no authority over them. And All-Sufficient is your Lord as a Guardian.'') [17:63-65]


19. "And O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in Paradise, and eat thereof as you both wish, but approach not this tree otherwise you both will be of the wrongdoers.) (20. Then Shaytan whispered suggestions to them both in order to uncover that which was hidden from them of their private parts (before); he said: "Your Lord did not forbid you this tree save you should become angels or become of the immortals.'') (21. And he Qasamahuma: "Verily, I am one of the sincere well-wishers for you both.'')

Surah Araf on Shaytan continues:


However, the Son of Adam disobeyed Shaytan and embraced Islam. So Shaytan sat in the path of Hijrah (migration in the cause of Allah), saying, `Would you migrate and leave your land and sky' But the parable of the Muhajir is that of a horse in his stamina So, he disobeyed Shaytan and migrated. So Shaytan sat in the path of Jihad, against one's self and with his wealth, saying, `If you fight, you will be killed, your wife will be married and your wealth divided.' So he disobeyed him and performed Jihad. Therefore, whoever among them (Children of Adam) does this and dies, it will be a promise from Allah that He admits him into Paradise. If he is killed, it will be a promise from Allah that He admits him into Paradise. If he drowns, it will be a promise from Allah that He admits him into Paradise.


If the animal breaks his neck, it will be a promise from Allah that He admits him into Paradise.) `Ali bin Abi Talhah reported that Ibn `Abbas commented on: (Then I will come to them from before them) Raising doubts in them concerning their Hereafter, (and (from) behind them), making them more eager for this life, (from their right), causing them confusion in the religion, (and from their left) luring them to commit sins.'' This is meant to cover all paths of good and evil. Shaytan discourages the people from the path of good and lures them to the path of evil. Al-Hakam bin Abban said that `Ikrimah narrated from Ibn `Abbas concerning the Ayah, (Then I will come to them from before them and behind them, from their right and from their left,)


"He did not say that he will come from above them, because the mercy descends from above.'' `Ali bin Abi Talhah reported that Ibn `Abbas said, (and You will not find most of them to be thankful.) "means, those who single Him out [in worship].'' When Shaytan said this, it was a guess and an assumption on his part. Yet, the truth turned out to be the same, for Allah said, (And indeed Iblis (Shaytan) did prove true his thought about them, and they followed him, all except a group of true believers. And he had no authority over them, except that We might test him who believes in the Hereafter, from him who is in doubt about it. And your Lord is Watchful over everything.) [34:20-21].

Surah Araf on Shaytan continues:


                                      Iblis was the First to use Qiyas (Analogical Comparison)

Ibn Jarir recorded that Al-Hasan commented on Shaytan's statement, ("You created me from fire, and him You created from clay.'') "Iblis used Qiyas [analogy], and he was the first one to do so.'' This statement has an authentic chain of narration. Ibn Jarir recorded that Ibn Sirin said, "The first to use Qiyas was Iblis, and would the sun and moon be worshiped if it was not for Qiyas'' This statement also has an authentic chain of of narration. 13. (Allah) said: "(O Iblis) get down from this (Paradise), it is not for you to be arrogant here. Get out, for you are of those humiliated and disgraced.'') (14. (Iblis) said: "Allow me respite till the Day they are raised up (the Day of Resurrection).'') (15. (Allah) said: "You are of those respited.'').


Allah ordered Iblis; (Get down from this) "because you defied My command and disobeyed Me. Get out, it is not for you to be arrogant here,'' in Paradise, according to the scholars of Tafsir. It could also refer to particular status which he held in the utmost highs. Allah said to Iblis, (Get out, for you are of those humiliated and disgraced.) as just recompense for his ill intentions, by giving him the opposite of what he intended (arrogance). This is when the cursed one remembered and asked for respite until the Day of Judgment, (Then allow me respite till the Day they are raised up.


(Allah) said: "Then you are of those respited.'') [15: 36-37] Allah gave Shaytan what he asked for out of His wisdom, being His decision and decree, that is never prevented or resisted. Surely, none can avert His decision, and He is swift in reckoning. 16. (Iblis) said: "Because You have `Aghwaytni', surely, I will sit in wait against them (human beings) on Your straight path. (17. "Then I will come to them from before them and behind them, from their right and from their left, and You will not find most of them to be thankful.'') Allah said that after He gave respite to Shaytan, (till the Day they are raised up (resurrected)) and Iblis was sure that he got what he wanted, he went on in defiance and rebellion.


He said, ("Because You have `Aghwaytani', surely, I will sit in wait against them (human beings) on Your straight path.'') meaning, as You have sent me astray. Ibn `Abbas said that `Aghwaytani' means, "Misguided me.'' Others said, "As You caused my ruin, I will sit in wait for Your servants whom You will create from the offspring of the one you expelled me for.'' He went on, (Your straight path), the path of truth and the way of safety. I (Iblis) will misguide them from this path so that they do not worship You Alone, because You sent me astray. Mujahid said that the `straight path', refers to the truth.


Imam Ahmad recorded that Saburah bin Abi Al-Fakih said that he heard the Messenger of Allah saying, (Shaytan sat in wait for the Son of Adam in all his paths. He sat in the path of Islam, saying, `Would you embrace Islam and abandon your religion and the religion of your forefathers'

Since Tonye-T, the author of the thread have found himself in a bind unable to substantiate how the Hadith of the Messenger and Prophet Muhammad (AS) about Shaytan (Laanatullah, the friend and master of Tonye-T) are SUPERSTITIOUS in nature, that he had to laugh hilariously, I have taken the time to go to Surah Araf (The Height), in order to demonstrate the open enemity of Satan against Adam (AS) and mankind. When one read these entries, is there a doubt in the heart of normal mind that Shaytan that a trick is impossible as tool to accomplish his intention?

Prostration of the Angels to Adam and Shaytan's Arrogance

Allah informs the Children of Adam about the honor of their father and the enmity of Shaytan, who still has envy for them and for their father Adam. So they should beware of him and not follow in his footsteps. Allah said, (And surely, We created you and then gave you shape; then We told the angels, "Prostrate yourselves to Adam,'' and they prostrated,) This is like His saying, (And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "I am going to create a man from dried (sounding) clay of altered mud. So, when I have fashioned him completely and breathed into him the soul (which I created for him), then fall (you) down prostrating yourselves unto him.'') [15:28-29].


After Allah created Adam with His Hands from dried clay of altered mud and made him in the shape of a human being, He blew life into him and ordered the angels to prostrate before him, honoring Allah's glory and magnificence. The angels all heard, obeyed and prostrated, but Iblis did not prostrate. We explained this subject in the beginning of Surat Al-Baqarah. Therefore, the Ayah (7:11) refers to Adam, although Allah used the plural in this case, because Adam is the father of all mankind. Similarly, Allah said to the Children of Israel who lived during the time of the Prophet, (And We shaded you with clouds and sent down on you manna and the quail,) [2:57] This refers to their forefathers who lived during the time of Moses. But, since that was a favor given to the forefathers, and they are their very source, then the offspring have also been favored by it.


This is not the case in: (And indeed We created man out of an extract of clay (water and earth.))[23:12] For this merely means that Adam was created from clay. His children were created from Nutfah (mixed male and female sexual discharge). This last Ayah is thus talking about the origin of mankind, not that they were all created from clay, and Allah knows best. [12]. (Allah) said: "What prevented you (O Iblis) that you did not prostrate, when I commanded you'' Iblis said: "I am better than him (Adam), You created me from fire, and him You created from clay.''). Allah said,
(What prevented you (O Iblis) that you did not prostrate) [7: 12] meaning, what stopped and hindered you from prostrating after I ordered you to do so, according to Ibn Jarir.


This meaning is sound, and Allah knows best. Iblis, may Allah curse him, said, (I am better than him (Adam)), and this excuse is worse than the crime itself! Shaytan said that he did not obey Allah because he who is better cannot prostrate to he who is less. Shaytan, may Allah curse him, meant that he is better than Adam, "So how can You order me to prostrate before him'' Shaytan said that he is better than Adam because he was created from fire while, "You created him from clay, and fire is better.'' The cursed one looked at the origin of creation not at the honor bestowed, that is, Allah creating Adam with His Hand and blowing life into him. Shaytan made a false comparison when confronted by Allah's command, ("Then you fall down prostrate to him'')[38:72].


Therefore, Shaytan alone contradicted the angels, because he refused to prostrate. He, thus, became `Ablasa' from the mercy, meaning, lost hope in acquiring Allah's mercy. He committed this error, may Allah curse him, due to his false comparison. His claim that the fire is more honored than mud was also false, because mud has the qualities of wisdom, for - bearance, patience and assurance, mud is where plants grow, flourish, increase, and provide good. To the contrary, fire has the qualities of burning, recklessness and hastiness. Therefore, the origin of creation directed Shaytan to failure, while the origin of Adam led him to return to Allah with repentance, humbleness, obedience and submission to His command, admitting his error and seeking Allah's forgiveness and pardon for it.


Muslim recorded that `Aishah (RA) said that the Messenger of Allah said, (The angels were created from light, Shaytan from a smokeless flame of fire, while Adam was created from what was described to you).

@Seyibrown: Show me a word in OT or before Jesus began to pray in th Garden of Geshamine that roughly means "Church". You will begin to gain my respect. Do the Jews, the 12 nations that Jesus bloodline belong to know anything about Church? Did John, his father Zacharias who were contemporaries of Jesus entered a single Church to pray? Was it in a church that the Angel told Zacharias that he will be having a son?

@Seyibrown: « #236 on: Today at 02:12:13 AM »
[Quote]@shiamuslim (what is your real ID?)

Christians follow Christ, not Judah, not David, not Lot etc; They follow Christ! Jesus did not encourage incest, pedophilia, capture of women for sex, slavery, murder etc. He preached, salvation, peace, holiness and righteousness.[/Quote]And you, Seyibrown has never ceased using Psalm of David to argue your point. Instead of Gospel, which are "according to such and such", raising the doubt that most came from Jesus, you have used Isaiah, Psalm, etc instead. Your action here or in the other places is disgraceful to put it mildly, you you are now trumping Jesus as your leader, while you ignore his possible statements, but cant help yourself away from what David is reported to have said.

Dhul Quarnayn continues:

But the arguments in favor of Molana Abolkalam's claim are as follows:

1. Cyrus is a personality mentioned in the Bible, i.e the Old Testament (the Book of Daniel, the Book of Ezra and some other books where Cyrus is referred to in very explicit terms: Daniel dreamt that in the palace of Susa in Elam, a two-horned ram triumphed over all animals, with the exception of a one-horned goat that finally defeated the ram. Daniel lost consciousness after this dream and an angel appeared to him, saying that the ram he had seen was the king of the Medes and the Persians, while the one-horned goat was the king of the Greeks) (Book of Daniel, chapter 8, verses 20-21).

2. In the Qur'an, Zolqarnain is described as someone to whom God granted power and authority on earth. This corresponds well with the personality of Cyrus, who conquered a large part of Europe and Asia, establishing the first empire in the world.
3. The Qur'an's Zolqarnain was God-revering and a monotheist, and so was Cyrus. As the most probable date for the appearance of Zoroaster is in the mid-sixth century B.C., this date is close to the time Cyrus lived.
4. Zolqarnain led a military expedition to the land west of the sun. This is consistent with the Achaemenian king's military thrusts in Lydia in Asia Minor and his conquest of that country.

5. Zolqarnain led a military expedition to the land east of the sun, corresponding to Cyrus's expedition to the southeast (Makran and Sistani) and northeast (near Balkh).
6. The Qur'an's Zolqarnain encountered a barbarian tribe and this is consistent with Cyrus's expedition to the north and his battles with the Sakas, who may be interpreted as the barbarian tribes of the Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj. Here, Cyrus defeated the barbarians and in the Daryal Pass, which was the only passage from which they could be attacked by their neighbors, he built a barrier made of copper and iron. The people under siege might have asked Cyrus for help and provided him with manpower.

The ruins of this barrier still exist. Molana Abolkalam Azad noted that these barbarians were called different names in different areas. The Greeks referred to them as the "Lytes". In more recent times in Europe, they had been called the "Magyars" and in Asia the "Tatars". They could be identified with the Mongols (for more details, see Cyrus the Great (Zolqarnain), by Molana Abolkalam Azad, translated by Bastani Parizi, in particular Chapter 6).


Aletheia; Please show me the QUALITATIVE DESCRIPTION OF THE ANOTHER COMFORTER, if you have the ability to do it, fit THE HOLY SPIRIT INTO IT AND AT THE SAME TIME FACTOR OUT MUHAMMAD (AS), AS NEVER POSSIBLE TO BE ANOTHER COMFORTER. YOU will see me refute you with your own Bible; the verses concerning the Another Comforter. Let me rubbish you, since I am kinda shy to do that to Seyibrown, who is always giving me, esoteric stories, or idea, forgetting that we are all grown people here.

Dhul Quarnayn continues:

Considering the cause of revelation of these verses, it could be seen that whoever the story was about, should have been mentioned in the Torah. Zolqarnain was Cyrus the Great, the Achaemenian king. This view was recently expounded by Molana Abolkalam Azad, the Indian minister of culture, (apparently following Sir Seyyed Ahmad Khan, the famous exegete of the Qur'an) in his exegesis of the Qur'an titled "Tarjoman al-Qur'an". In this work, the Indian official put forward many arguments in support of his claim.

Anyway, the contention of Molana Abolkalam Azad has received widespread attention in the Islamic world and in Iran. One of the contemporary historians, Dr. Muhammad Ebrahim Bastani Parizi, translated this treatise into Persian, with necessary annotations. Some great exegetes, such as Allameh Tabatabaie, the author of "Al-Mizan", and Ayatollah Makarem Shirazi, the author of the exegesis "Nemooneh" and translator of the Qur'an, have accepted the plausibility of this assertion. Some experts on the Qur'an, such as the late Khaza'eli, who wrote the "Qur'an's Index", considered this as reasonable and defended their stand. Also, one of the great contemporary researchers and linguists, Dr. Fereydoun Badre'i, wrote a book titled "Cyrus the Great in the Qur'an and the Old Testament" to prove this hypothesis.

There are some arguments against that Alexander the great as Dhul Quarnayn used the following, the most important of which are:

1. There is no mention of Alexander in the Old Testament, while Cyrus is mentioned.
2. Alexander was not a monotheist, while Zolqarnain was explicitly mentioned in the Qur'an to be a believer in one Supreme Being.
3. There is no copper and zinc barrier, as mentioned in the Qur'an, that is associated with Alexander.

Dhul Quarnayn continues:

Cyrus the Great: Some contemporary Muslim scholars, such as Maududi[citation needed] and Maulana Abul Kalam Azad[citation needed], have suggested that Dhul-Qarnayn is Cyrus the Great. This theory has been endorsed by Iranian scholars Allameh Tabatabaei (in his Tafsir al-Mizan), Allameh Tehrani [4] and Grand Ayatollah Makarim al-Shirazi (Bargozideh Tafseer-i Nemuneh, Vol 3, p69), and was refuted by Shapur Shahbazi.[6


In the Qur'an, there are 16 verses in the Kahf Sureh (verses 83-98) that talk about Zolqarnain and some aspects of his personality. Recently, Molana Abolkalam Azad, India's Minister of Culture, in his Urdu-language exegesis titled "Tarjoman al-Qur'an", claimed that Zolqarnain referred to Cyrus the Great, the Achaemenian king (taking this stand apparently on the authority of Seyyed Ahmad Khan, the famous exegete of the Qur'an). He mentioned many reasons for his assertion, including the following:

1. Cyrus is mentioned in the Old Testament and the Book of Ezra as a God-revering person, a description that matched the qualities of Zolqarnain in the Qur'an.
2. The deeds of the Achaemenian king were in accordance to the deeds described in the Qur'an, as he fought with the Lydians in Asia Minor and then with the Sakas in the east (unlike Alexander the Great).
3. Zolqarnain in the Qur'an is said to have built a barrier of copper and iron after fighting the Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj people. Cyrus built a similar barrier in the Daryal Pass, the remains of which are still existing.

In the Qur'an, the name of Zolqarnain, together with descriptions of some aspects of his personality and an accounting of a number of his deeds, are mentioned three times in 15 verses of the Kahf Sureh.


According to most exegetes of the Qur'an, a cause of revelation exists for these 16 verses of the Kahf Sureh. From the Qur'an itself, it seems that these verses were revealed because of a question asked from the Prophet by his contemporaries. The Qur'an says: "They will ask you about Zolqarnain. Tell them, 'I will tell you now a tale about him.'"

In the translation of Tabari's History, Bal'ami said that Ibn-e-Abbas had said that when the polytheists of Mecca could not contradict the Prophet, they asked for help from the Jews of Khaybar and sent Abu-Djahl to them: "All the Jews came together and brought with them the Torah and extracted three problems from therein." The first question was about the spirit (of course, not the human spirit, but the Holy Ghost, Gabriel). The next question was about the Seven Sleepers, and the third about Zolqarnain: "They told his story, they told how he went from the west to the east and the story of the Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj. And they said that this was what was told in the Torah, and if Muhammad could answer about what was in the Torah, then we know that he is a prophet."

Dhul Quarnayn continues;

According to Tafsir ibn Kathir by Ibn Kathir, a widely used 14th-century commentary on the Qur'an:

The Quraysh sent An-Nadr bin Al-Harith and `Uqbah bin Abi Mu`it to the rabbis in Al-Madinah, and told them: `Ask them (the rabbis) about Muhammad, and describe him to them, and tell them what he is saying. They are the people of the first Book, and they have more knowledge of the Prophets than we do.' So they set out and when they reached Al-Madinah, they asked the rabbis about the Messenger of Allah.

They described him to them and told them some of what he had said. They said, `You are the people of the Tawrah and we have come to you so that you can tell us about this companion of ours.' They (the rabbis) said, `Ask him about three things which we will tell you to ask, and if he answers them then he is a Prophet who has been sent (by Allah); if he does not, then he is saying things that are not true, in which case how you will deal with him will be up to you.

Ask him about some young men in ancient times, what was their story for theirs is a strange and wondrous tale. Ask him about a man who travelled a great deal and reached the east and the west of the earth. What was his story And ask him about the Ruh (soul or spirit) – what is it If he tells you about these things, then he is a Prophet, so follow him, but if he does not tell you, then he is a man who is making things up, so deal with him as you see fit.[1]


According to Maududi's conservative 20th century commentary:

This Surah was sent down in answer to the three questions which the mushriks of Makkah, in consultation with the people of the Book, had put to the Holy Prophet in order to test him. These were: (1) Who were "the Sleepers of the Cave"? (2) What is the real story of Khidr? and (3) What do you know about Dhul-Qarnain?

As these three questions and the stories involved concerned the history of the Christians and the Jews, and were unknown in Hijaz, a choice of these was made to test whether the Holy Prophet possessed any source of the knowledge of the hidden and unseen things. Allah, however, not only gave a complete answer to their questions but also employed the three stories to the disadvantage of the opponents of Islam in the conflict that was going on at that time at Makkah between Islam and un-belief.[2]

12th century map by the Muslim scholar Al-Idrisi (South up). "Yajooj" and "Majooj" (Gog and Magog) appear in Arabic script on the bottom-left edge of the Eurasian landmass, enclosed within dark mountains, at a location corresponding roughly to Mongolia. This is a reference to the story of Dhul-Qarnayn in the Qur'an.

^^^^^^ « #195 on: Today at 12:26:10 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 08:21:11 AM
^^^^All you have to do was type-in on goggle search; Dhul (ZUl) Quarnain.
www.understanding-islam.com/rq/q-028.htm - Cached - Similar

^So you finally went off to google to look up the answer! And there you were presenting yourself as knowing your religion. I thought you said that it was my daughter's name?[/QUote]If you have noticed that I have called you AliTalia, after Italia Airline, tempted but with restraint wanted to call you Althea, name of Female, I simply asked if Aletheia was your daughter's name, unless you decided to switch like that. You are a grown person and if you are not a woman, its out of curiousness that I asked if Aletheia is your daughter's? I see that you lack imagination and just dont get it, unless even the obvious is spelled out, in its completeness to you.

Considering the wealth of Knowledge in Islam, indeed the Quran, no one is able to know everything. For example Alif, Laaam, Miiim, that started Surah Baqarah is known Only to Allah, the All Knower. So what do you expect of me, a mere 20/21 century believer of the 71st or 72nd generation period of Islam (the Version of it Under the Revelation given to Muhammad (AS)). I definitely know, unlike you about Another Comforter, that the Characteristics of who Dhul Qurnayn is. You see in my youth, I used to listen to a lot of Tafsir. Now,that I'm adult, I attend alot of Tafsir, Dhurs (lectures) still. There is no shame seeing that Cyrus fits the embodiment of Dhul Qurnayn, over Alexander was neither considered to be kind, just nor a monotheist, even if the religion is not today, similar to the Qualitative characteristics of the Another Comforter fitting Muhammad (AS), rather than your ghostly phantom, which your slumbering soul by Satan lording over it has cajoled you to infer. I am not even a student of islam, and no one can say that he is a scholar, except the arrogant.



[Quote]Your excuse concerning next week is not tenable considering the extended tomes you have been posting so far, yet curiously, you are short of words on Dhul Qarnayn prefering google rather than your qur'an. And it seems you can't make up your mind whether it's Cyrus or Alexander.

Here then is what your qur'an says about Dhul Qarnayn: 18: 83-86.
They will ask thee of Dhu'l-Qarneyn. Say: I shall recite unto you a remembrance of him. Lo! We made him strong in the land and gave him unto every thing a road. And he followed a road. Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.

This personage called Dhul Qarnayn that you are yet to decide if he was Alexander or Cyrus reached the setting-place of the sun and found it setting in a muddy spring.

By now it becomes clear that the qur'an is but a collection of fables and delusions that plays foot-loose with history.[/Quote]Aletheia, I'm sure you labored hard to acquire your education, which I will say "good job" about. Outside of this, your knowledge is 6th rated, except that your ignorance wrenched hard on you, hence arrogantly, common sense is not in you, the reason you do not know that Trinity is a none issue; How is a servant belonging to disputant masters (Jesus does not want to die, as demonstrated by his "putting his face on the ground and beg God to take the cup off his head", while you say that God wanted him to die, hence disputation), equal to a servant/slave belonging to a Single Master Who is Complete in Authority, and Full of Mercy? You are that slave servant with the disagreeing Masters, while I am with my Master; Allah. Below is Surah Kahf on Dhul Qaurnayn, only to give you his characteristics, instead of your shoddiness, and dishonesty;

Qur'anic narrative

The story of Dhul-Qarnayn appears in sixteen verses of the Qur'an, specifically verses 18:83-98:
Verse Yusuf Ali
18:83 They ask thee concerning Zul-qarnain Say, "I will rehearse to you something of his story."

18:84 Verily We established his power on earth, and We gave him the ways and the means to all ends.

18:85 One (such) way he followed,

18:86 Until, when he reached the setting of the sun Sun does set in the evening time, signaling the coming of night fall or night time, he found it set in a spring of murky water: near it he found a people: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority), either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."

18:87 He said: "Whoever doth wrong, him shall we punish; then shall he be sent back to his Lord; and He will punish him with a punishment unheard-of (before).

18:88 "But whoever believes, and works righteousness, he shall have a goodly reward, and easy will be his task as we order it by our command."

18:89 Then followed he (another) way.

18:90 Until, when he came to the rising of the sun Rising of the sun means morning time, establishing the beginning of day light after the previous night time, he found it rising on a people for whom We had provided no covering protection against the sun.

18:91 (He left them) as they were: We completely understood what was before him.

18:92 Then followed he (another) way.

18:93 Until, when he reached (this is the third destination in the journey[/b]a tract) between two mountains, he found, beneath them, a people who scarcely understood a word.

18:94 They said: "O Zul-qarnain! the Gog and Magog (people) do great mischief on earth: shall we then render thee tribute in order that thou mightest erect a barrier between us and them?"

18:95 He said: "(The power) in which my Lord has established me is better (than tribute): help me therefore with strength (and labour): I will erect a strong barrier between you and them:

18:96 "Bring me blocks of iron." At length, when he had filled up the space between the two steep mountain sides, he said, "Blow (with your bellows)" then, when he had made it (red) as fire, he said: "Bring me, that I may pour over it, molten lead."

18:97 Thus were they made ([b]Gof and magog) powerless to scale it or to dig through it.

18:98 He said: "This is a mercy from my Lord: but when the promise of my Lord comes to pass, He will make it into dust; and the promise of my Lord is true."
[edit] Traditional exegesis (tafsir)

@LagosShia; « #27 on: Today at 11:16:28 AM »

Quote from: deols on Today at 08:59:54 AM
Islam is One and anyone calling towards sectarianism is just a trouble maker to me. Why dont you just open threads discussing this issues, rather than attaching unnecessary importance to say, Imam Hussain and the battle of Karbala. Is Imam Hussain the1st Imam in Islam,or is the battle the only one fought in Islam or the most important?

If you really as a starter wants to educate us about Islam, u can start with tawheed, explaining its forms and importance to us as Muslims and not about some infamous battle or a particular Imam

your post really demonstrates the urge and the need for such threads to be made and for people to be educated.are you really a muslim?you are calling the battle of karbala "infamous"? astaghfirullah!!![quote][/Quote]She didnt say so. Read her post again. There is no one in Islam that is higher or as high in loftiness, in the Sight of Allah, His Angels, believers among mankind, jinn, and indeed all creation, as Muhammad (AS), the Only one send to all mankind, as a group, and ending and sealing forever messenger and or prophet (AS). No battle that he did not lead will be equal to any that he led.



[Quote]you suppose to give chance for these things to be explained.you are belittling the third Imam and grandson of the Prophet Muhammad,Imam Hussain,the master of the youths of paradise and the master of the matyrs.do you know that the Prophet said:"Hussain is from me and i am from Hussain,may Allah loves him who loves al-Hussain"?[/Quote]The bold belongs to Hamzah bin Abi Mutalib (RA),the beloved uncle of the prophet who lost his life in Gazzwah Huud. This statement is from the mouth of the prophet (AS), who when he was told that his beloved Uncle died through the spear of Waashi (ra), wanted to curse Waashi because of his sorrow. Allah sent Jibril to stop him. Short time, later, Waashi became Muslim in the lifetime of the Prophet



[Quote]the battle of karbala was the most crucial battle for the survival of islam that was fought against injustice,tyranny and for the sake of islam to be preserved.[/b]Imam Hussain refused to pay allegiance to the caliph yazeed ibn muawiya because yazeed was un-islamic and a man unfit to rule.even when Imam Hussain was tyrannized and surrounded in the open desert of karbala,present-day iraq,the imam refused to pay allegiance.he paid with his life and the life of those his loyal companions and family members so that islam will survive for me and you to worship Almighty Allah.[/Quote]The honor of the bold belongs to, if we are to choose a single battle, The Battle of Badr. Read it in your Quran.



[Quote]the day of karbala,also known as [b]the day of ashura,saw Imam Hussain the grandson of Muhammad butchered and beheaded by a tyrant who wanted to kill islam with his bad morals and un-islamic ways.that tyrant was taking the ummah to the days of jahiliyya,making the haram halal.here we have another muslim trying to behead the grandson of Muhammad again by calling his struggle "infamous" and talking as if the Prophet's grandson is one kind of a criminal.the day of ashura is by far the most pitiful day the ummah saw.it is the saddest day for islam.the Imam sacrificed his blood so islam will live.and truly bloood triumphed over the sword.[/Quote]We should speak the truth, always as it concerns our deen. Is there any sadder say than when the prophet [AS] passed? I am a father of children, and I know that my children are more beloved to me than my grandchildren will ever be. Granted the grandchildren will be beloved to me, as well, but not as my children. Kassim and Ibrahim (RA) died in the lifetime of the messenger (AS).

Indeed all his children, except Fatima (RA) died in his lifetime. Fatima died 6 months later as predicted. Ali, Hussayne (RA), both died as the prophet predicted. You cant claim that a sister who is telling you that Karbala could not be higher than Huud and definitely Badr, therefore say what is not correct about her. Ashurra to us is the 10th day of Muharram, a day that Musa (AS), a Messenger and prophet of Allah, who Muhammad (AS) on Miraj part of Isra wa Miraj met and dialogued with on the matters of the number of Salah for this Ummah.

It was by the Mercy of Allah, through Musa, as a sign that we now make 5 instead of 50 everyday, while most of us are lazy about it. It is therefore a thing unutterable for any muslim to think that Musa is not important, since the whole Quran is about 50% at least about him and the event surrounding him. A prophet lodged in the 6th heaven, above Isa bin Maryam, and others, except Ibrahim in the 7th.



[Quote]just as a reminder the Prophet has already foretold the ordeal his grandson would face in karbala.there is a saying that "islam is muhammedan in its presence and hussaini in its survival".

my advice to everyone,even if you are not from one sect or the other,sit back and ask questions and learn rather than criticize for the sake of it and throwing baseless attacks.you are doig the opposite of what you claim to want when you yourself is adding to confusion.[/Quote]The only one that one cant question in Islam, is Muhammad (AS). If we do not ask questions, we may just be induced to abandoning Salah or always combine Dhur and Asr together, and Magrib and Isha together, as a norm. That is purely baseless. Many groups have returned to Jahalliyah, at least one claiming prophethood,if not almost all of them have a prophet, after the Messenger (AS). Some go to the graves of past pious people to beg them, when Allah is the Only One that must be begged.



[Quote]SAYINGS OF IMAM HUSSAIN ON THE IMMINENT BATTLE OF KARBALA AND HIS STAND AGAINST INJUTICE AND TYRANNY:

"Behold; the illegitimate, son of the illegitimate [by birth], has settled between two, between unsheathing [the sword] and humiliation, and how impossible is humiliation from us! Allah refuses that for us, and his messenger, and the believers, and laps chastified and purified, and zealous noses [expression: heads that do not bow in humiliation], and repudiating souls [who repudiate/refuse oppression], that we desire obedience to the mean ones, than the killings of the honourable [martyrdom]. Behold that I move slowly with this family, despite the little number and deserting of helpers."

I Swear by God , I did not rise against the tyrannical rule of Bani Omayah out of selfishness or with the aim of oppression or corruption. My revolt only aimed at reviving the religion of my grandfather , the holy Mohammad and the traditions of my father Ali ibn-Abi Talib , to enjoy good and forbid evil. So, whoever accepts me by accepting the truth , surely God rewards him for supporting the truth. And whoever rejects me , I will be patient until God judges between me and these people justly. Surely , tHE Almighty is the Best Judge of the judges. (Bihar al- Anwar Vol. 44 ", P 329)

",  Don't you see that the truth is not put into action and the false is not prohibited? The believer should desire to meet his Lord while he is right. Thus I do not see death but as happiness, and living with tyrants but as sorrow." -Husayn ibn Ali[/Quote]RA.

[Quote]"of whom i am master,Ali is also his master.may Allah bless those loyal to him and shun those who hold enmity towards him (Ali),and may Allah make victorious those who make Ali victorious".[/Quote]No one in Islam dare shun Seyiddina Ali (RA). We all do that based on the fact that he was a giant among Muslim around the Messenger (AS). We respect every one of the companions (RA to all of them).

The Companion of the Messenger on his Hijr is respected, as well. A man who became destitute only for the cause of Islam, for the Pleasure of Allah, supporting the Messenger with all his person, wealth. A man who divorced his wife and son because they did not enter Islam with him. A man who when the enemies were making fun of the Messenger (AS) stuck by him and said "If the Messenger said it, it is True, for even a Bigger Miracle happens to him, day and night, as Jibril (AS) brings in Revelation fo Quran". No Muslim should be enemy of this man (RA). Who ever is his enemy, by extension is disobeying Allah and His Messenger and ignorantly has become enemy of The Creator and Islam and Muhammad (AS), based on arrogance.

This religion (Islam) is indeed an Advise. Al diinu Islam Nasiha. May Allah Guides our hearts into the Purity of Islam. Ad Kulu Silmi Kaa fa,wa la ti Kutuwa ti shaytanu, inna hu aduwun mubiin. Enter Islam fully and dont follow the foot step of the devil; indeed, he is an open enemy to you.

And shaytan waylay mankind in every strategem; hard, soft overt, covert, direct, indirect, harsh and subtle. May Allah protect us against the tricks of satan. Amin. Brothers, thanks for your advise.

We are guarding our deen, with all our efforts and call Only on Allah to help us in all our affairs.

And we do not go or wish to go against what the Quran says and what Authentic Hadith says, in all matters, including that of relationship between male and female. We do not practice illegal sex, with or without long or short term contract knowing fully well it terminates at the end of its predetermined term.

[Quote]We need to follow that part too![/Quote]And every True Muslim, all Muminu have followed it. Respecting in full sincerity all the Alul Bayt (RA to all of them) and cursing in clear terms all enemies of Allah among the Quraishi, indeed among the Bani Hashim, like Abi Lahab (Laanatullahi Ta'ala), who I remember on every Monday the day of the week that The Messenger [AS} was born, to recite Surah Lahab on him, so that Mercy of Allah is far away from him but His Anger descends on him harder.


We are True believers in what Muhammad ibn Abdallah (AS to the Messenger) brought. We have not deviated, and Allah is our Witness. And Only He is Enough as Witness. Is there anyone to Supplicate to but He, The Almighty, The Irresistible?

@Tonye-T: The bold, under the thread "Eating Amala, Is This Biblical?", was what of your Christian brothers fielded for Satan against man.
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Dear brothers and sisters I have a big problem. I have a predilection for Amala, that is the meal that is made from Yam flour. I can eat it at anytime of the day or night and I am sure that if I get a whiff of it in my sleep I can sleepwalk to it and scoff the whole pot before going back to bed without even waking up. You all will just wake up to find that there is no more amala in the pot.

Now my problem, and it is a big one, lies in the fact that there is absolutely no mention of Amala in the bible. Not even Yam. This is very worrisome for me. If it was Iyan, that is pounded yam, that one is still better because it is white in colour and so might connote some sort of holiness. But Amala is BLACK! Could this be the devil's food.

Please help!!
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Dear brothers and sisters I have a big problem. I have a predilection for Amala, that is the meal that is made from Yam flour. I can eat it at anytime of the day or night and I am sure that if I get a whiff of it in my sleep I can sleepwalk to it and scoff the whole pot before going back to bed without even waking up. You all will just wake up to find that there is no more amala in the pot.

Now my problem, and it is a big one, lies in the fact that there is absolutely no mention of Amala in the bible. Not even Yam. This is very worrisome for me. If it was Iyan, that is pounded yam, that one is still better because it is white in colour and so might connote some sort of holiness. But Amala is BLACK! Could this be the devil's food.

Please help!!


@Pastor AIO

NL's most favourite pastor!

Is this a ploy to smoke someone out Wink Wink

Anyway amala is not the devil's food ooo

but dare I tell you this for nothing.

The devil eats men dust for breakfast

That is biblical. At least the without the breakfast bit Grin Grin
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that is pounded yam, that one is still better because it is white in colour and so might connote some sort of holiness. But Amala is BLACK! Could this be the devil's food.

Please help!!

What makes you think anything black represent evil or the devil? how are you sure the devil is black? what if the devil is even whiter than snow? Undecided[quote][/Quote]Eating people does not exclusively means physical eating, but others as in confusion, deception, lies, etc. Maybe you need to start using your head instead of your leg for thinking.

@YommyUk: « #171 on: Today at 06:43:52 AM »
[Quote]Here we go again, spiritual blindness taking control of you "Lot". One thing islam will never provide is "Spiritual insight"

1 Corin 2 is refering to people like you

My message and preaching is very clear. It is only when you recieve the revelations from God by the power of the Holy Spirit can you understand these things. So I do not blame you. The Holy Spirit is alien to all muslims who have not accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior. Plain and simple. However, these revelation is only revealed to mature believers. The kind of revelation revealed not by human wisdom. This kind of wisdom is the mystery of God. A mystery that he has previously hidden but has revealed to those who believe. This revelation muslims have never recieved and can never understand. The bible says "No eye has seen, no ear has heard and no mind has imagined what God has prepared for those who love him" But to us these things have been revealed by the Holy Spirit.

That is why to your kind, it all sounds foolish and you can never understand it. I understand this things because I have the mind of Christ. On a personal note, believe it or not, Jesus Christ himself visited me via a vision to confirm that He is who the bible say he is. This is fundamental to me hence giving me the right to speak bodly on things I know to be true.

Islam, if followed totally is good in this world that we live. But conclusively the bible says in John 3:7 "I tell you the truth, unless you are born again, you cannot see the Kingdom of God." To experience this you have to undergo a spiritual rebirth. You become a person who is completely renewed
through the power of God which is Jesus Christ, "the Word of God.

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The Word of God is true and you guys have been choosen to confirm the prophecy of Isaiah that says in Matthew 13:14-15

"When you hear what I(Jesus) say, you will not understand. When you see what I do, you will not comprehend. For the hearts of these people are hardened (Similar to the Pharoah's) and their ears cannot hear and they have close their eyes so their eyes cannot see and their ears cannot hear. and their hearts cannot understand and they cannot turn to me and let me heal them.

A great shame to allow yourself to be used by the evil one to confirm the statement above. You are hopelessly confused. You mind is full of darkness and you have no sense of shame thru your utterances. Unless you are willing to see, you have no hope.

But I thank God in Jesus Name because Matthew 13:16 states that I am blessed because I have seen with my eyes and heard with my ears.
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Conclusion, b4 I move on

Spiritual blindness brings a terrible fate. Spiritual blindness is voluntary. You have heard the truth and you refused to accept it.

Therefore, I have choosen to use this scripture to finish off

Matthew 15:13-14, 16

Every plant not planted by my heavenly father will be uprooted, SO IGNORE THEM. They are blind guides leading the blind, and if one blind person guides another, they will both fall into a DITCH(Hell)"

"Don't you understand yet?" Jesus Christ asked. Huh

PEACE Cool[/Quote]YommyUK is a wine seller, or operator of alcohol joint, bar owner, beer parlor owner, telling a person a person whose family is successful, leading a good life, that he/she is not happy until intoxicated to the point that the mind is lost. Artificial happiness without everlasting and deep root in reality is what YommyUk is hawking.Who so ever buys from YommyUk has become a loser, indeed. May Allah Protect us fro the tricks of satan directly and through his helpers among mankind. Amin.