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Today people who like me, either male or female take him as the best. Even non muslims like Hart take him as number 1 over Jesus and Moses, etc.

I didnt expect the opposite. Cool

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Everyone can spin the best quality to make it the worst.

No, even at that, the best still stands out as the best. You are the one spining the worst to pass the best.[/Quote]the best is Muhammad [as] according to Hart. And Hart is not but a Jew. For sure not a muslim. Imagine that.



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At 25, he was still a virgin in a sleazy town called Makka. There is no way that a Nigeria man in2012 at 25 years old is a virgin, unless he is a muslim or have good morals or from good home. He will not be it because he is a christian because the blood covers him or her even after committing the worst sin.

Only in your deluded mind. Give me some pie chart to illustrate that.[/Quote]i lived in nigeria. i know nigerians. show me a 25 year old male virgin. We will not even talk about him willing to marry a twice divorce/widowed older woman.



[Quote]Alright, Only the muslims give out 9 yrs old girls to marriage, gang ra.pes 13 yrs old girls and convicts her for not providing four male witnesses. They will not be because the acts of Mohammad justifies them or you even after commiting the worst sin.[/Quote]ANy neighborhood USA is muslim neighborhood? No. But worse happen frequently in this neighborhood. Thats the legacy of cjristianity.



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If my wife makes me, I am good because I am still her husband, sharing in the success, basking in it all by herself. Do you know what a call trophy spouse? She will be that.

Take that case to a family court. Smiley[/Quote]As her husband, in the fashion of Muhammad [as], I am happy to provide all her needs. There is no family court in our future.



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Please give me the chance to respond, completely and this will be our little dialogue box.

The chance is all yours. Cool
But irrational comments will be ignored.[/Quote]I pray that you learn and your heart is affected. Amin.

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However the christians will say that Jesus was sinless, but they ignored the sins that he committed from his own standard of 'do not say fool', or how he called everyone other than the jews "dogs", or why would God rejected his prayers so much over delivering you who is not the begotten son? Can any normal father do that? The yoruba says "regardless how beautiful your daughter is, you will not beautify another man's daughter.

My brother, so upon all the sins in the world, the only thing you could lay your hands on is that I called you a fool,because you acted like a fool? And going to the act of Jesus prayer, HE DID NOT BEG FOR HIS LIFE OR LIKE FOR PARDON,LIKE A GUITY CONVICT. Get that into your thick skull. He said,"Father,if thou will,remove this cup from me: nevertheless,not my will but thy be done."
His[b] human nature overtook him[/b],but it was his destiny, Thats he reason he came in the first place.TO ESTABLISH A NEW COVENANT.
So,how will you explain about the Angel that strengthened him?[/Quote]Let me approach your post here by reacting to the last bold first. You are the first christian that seem to correct about what the holy spirit is in the strengthening of Jesus supposedly on the cross. That holy spirit was an angel. I wonder how in spite of God sending angel to strengthen him, he was allowed to be killed, and yelled so loudly in the process blaming God if you ask me? Do you think the condition would have been worse for him with the angel/holy spirit to strengthen him?

When you call me your brother and then insult me, while sandwiching your claim of you saying "fool" between them, are you playing Jesus here because the one I spoke about calling anyone "fool" is Jesus of the Bible? Now you tend to be in the nature of jesus who is a good human being in the same way you have called me your brother, but Jesus then turn to a bad and weak God that had to beg another God in the same way you insulted me about my "thick skull".

If I rely on the Bible I will take Jesus to be a great man, a prophet but a terrible God, a fake. But I will go by Quran instead that calls him a good and faithful prophet [as] of his Lord God Almighty Creator.


[Quote]I now get your point. You are trying so hard to prove that God was punishing him for some sin.[/Quote]Your Bible gave the impression because there is no reason for God to deliver anyone into enemy's hands unless one is a deviant. The Good God Will not allow any good man to be humiliated by bad people. The Good Lord is not without Power and Mercy to rescue good man from the clutches of bad and evil people.


[Quote]Please,stop some this your ignorant comments,its not helping you.[/uote]And your smartness leads you to 3 as 1, human and God is human entity, father and son in the same body, father and son and ghost are all in one body. Do you want me to show you further how bad your concept is?


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And it is only in the eyes of the christians that jesus is more than human prophet, though he exhibited all the traces of human prophets, while the jews think even today that he was just a rabbi.

Well, even your Koran says he was born by a virgin, meaning he has no human father. Isnt that enough claim of being divine?[/Quote]Shouldnt Adam and Eve be more divine or equally divine since they do not have mother and father? Shouldnt the soldier or worker termites be more than termites, even divine since the queen produce them without the male sperm on the eggs?


[QUote]It also says he was lifted up by God alive. Cool
So how dare you compare him to a man born out of intercorse?, his father's name is well known, a man who died from a woman's poison? You are simply nailing yourself.[/uote]Didnt the Bible God have sons who got daughters of men pregnant? Are those not even more divine that Jesus who had Mary to provide brea.st milk, burp him, clean him up, wash him up, potty train him, console him when the pain of growing teeth started? I could go on an one and cover a full page before i get to crawling and a long way from being able to go without diapers. Whats do terrible in surviving a deadly poison for 3 years, while you lionize a man who could not handle a day on the cross?


[Quote]Stop crusifying yourself.[/QUote]You think I respect the cross? Not me. I am from Muhammad [as].


[Quote] The Jews considered him as just rabbai,thats why they accused him of making himself equal with God. Cant you read the writing on the wall?[/Quote]And their killing him according to the events in your bibles confirmed to the jews that he was not even a prophet. Can you think hard, judek2?
Many believed,some stone heads didnt. Paul was among,but his stone head was crushed. Smiley[/quote][/quote]

@Judek2; « #15 on: Today at 08:23:02 PM »
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It is Muhammad [as] who let me considered Jesus different from what the Bible say Jesus is.

Thank you for that. How are you sure you were not decieved? I mean,a man who just came up from nowhere and descided to tarnish the record of a man who has existed thousands of years before him, without any proof. I think someone is believing some trash . Undecided[/Quote]The Jews do not believe in Original sin. Whoever developed the original concept, tarnish the Capability of God to have Mercy on His creatures without making the lives of other creatures difficult. Such a developer of original sin tarnish the legacy of Adam and Eve. The another comforter came to restore truth. This is why I know I am not being deceived. It is not how early but how accurate. Absolute accuracy is from God and lies will come from men, and it is obvious by the constant edition and revision and versions of the Bible. Jesus of the Quran is my prophet [as] and you do not have to thank me for honoring one of my masters [as] in religion.

@Judek2: « #12 on: Today at 04:03:42 PM »
[Quote] Nice,  Cool
And I advice you to read also about Jesus Christ,without rebelous mind and learn more from his actions and teachings. Smiley[/Quote]I did. I went to christian school and was born by a former christian woman. I am familiar with Bible, even before i discovered Quran.


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The days and years of Allah had been a big problem to Muslims.
It seems No one is sure,even the Koran.[/Quote]Not really. If you think, you will notice that some people will even tell you that 2012 is over now. Around November, some will say its over. Some will say it is over at 12.00 midnight December 31. With God Who time is irrelevant to, He tells us varied forms to show how Superior He is and how inferior we are by measurement of time. A day could be 1000, 5000, 50000 years or even longer or shorter with Him. But your day is 24 hours. Allah says there is the Day of Judgement. Do you think it is this world's 24 hours? What did Yahweh or Ellah of Jesus says His day is?


[Quote]A day with Allah equals a thousand years of our years. The fifty thousand years mentioned in the other verse is the length of the day of judgment. http://www.sites.google.com/site/muslimanswers/Home/contradictions/how-long-is-allahs-day[/Quote]read above and how long is the day is to the God of Jesus?


[Quote]Only the Koran can prove that. Undecided[/Quote]Only the Bibles can suggest that Adam and Eve were never in heaven and paradise, but in a garden in Iraq. Funny joke; the God of the christians was walking in the the garden in Iraq, with earth capable of containing Him and the sky on top of Him. Imagine His foot steps. Yet there is no foot imprint anywhere. You turn God to people like you and I. Should he not behave like us, eat and use the bathroom, etc?


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His resurrection for my atonement is the only thing that had formed my faith.
We have parted ways since you believe he was lifted up bodily.[/Quote]And he couldn't do anything of his own power. Remember that before you elevate him further.


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God was angry with Moses,but not Furious.[/uote]Angry enough to want to personally kill him.


[Uote] If God was furious, he would have struck Moses to death immediately without even considering[b] hiding his grave[/b] because it may result to some pilgrimage by the Isrealites.[/Quote]If a person is angry enough that he wants somebody dead so much that he goes into the mission himself, whats next? Furious is deadlier than wanting somebody dead?


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Jesus had a human nature. He felt pain, emotions and feared death just as human beings. But, that was his main purpose on earth. His death wasnt by chance,it was his destiny. Dont make it sound like God was so heartless that he gave his Son to be killed. And besides, the holy Spirit strengthened him,and he became strong again. Jesus was willing, and for that purpose, he was subjective.[/Quote]I have to laugh at you. You should have seen my face. You probably will be furious or at least angry like Jehovah hunting for Moses. The above from you does not make sense. Jesus was crying, yelling, acting out and even blame Ellah so much the people thought that the heard him calling Elias. You made God like you and I and we could be weak and heartless.


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here is a prophesy of David about Jesus.
“Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me,” Psalm 41:9.[/Quote]Show me Jesus in this, please.


[Quote]Jesus was betrayed by a friend, Judas,.but he was not forgiven because he hung himself.
Jesus forgave those that killed him. So they were not enemies of God. They were not held accountable for their sin.
God cant have an enemy.yes' because he is greater than man,and no one can stand him.[/Quote]Didn't Jacob defeated Biblical Gos so much so that his name was changed to Israel? As a matter of fact Jacob overcame God and man in that wrestling. If Jesus predicted Judas to betray him and imagine if he didn't would the prophesy of Jesus be fulfilled? Further if the man was so destruct that he hung himself, don't you think that God should forgive him for what he did and his reaction to it? The Biblical God in my opinion lacks mercy, sincere Mercy.


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Why would you be so biased?
Firstly, the Koran says tham the Satan put his words in Mohammads mouth. If he was noble,why cant he differenciate between the voice of an Angel and Satan?

Secondly, the Koran told Mohammad to ask for forgiveness of sins he has done,and which he will still do.
If god was still pleased with his sins, then that god is not righteous.

So if Mohammad had sinned,and god was still pleased with his sins,then you can judge your god.

The bible says that God is too Holy to behold iniquity.[/Quote]Please show me the verse in the Quran on the first bold. The second bold is similar to 'forgive us our sins. . .' said by Jesus. God the Almighty Who forgave Adam and Eve without Jesus or blood of Jesus or the blood of animal, can tell anyone to seek forgiveness. If the person obeys, it is worship and obedience to God. When God says even your future sins, it simply shows that Muhammad [as] is special to God over everyone, because obviously your God wanted to kill Moses not because of good deeds and rejected the plea of Jesus not because of the good deeds of Jesus. If your God did either, then how can one trust that God, even if He says I give you salvation? Contrast that to The God that tells His creatures to simply seek forgiveness of sins that even their future sins they need just to seek forgiveness of them. Which God is Merciful here and full of Forgiveness and can be Trusted?

Even though I agree with the intention to defend. But when shall we see the turn the other cheek, guys?

@Frosbel: But the holy spirit is not promised to you! What a fraud you are! Read what Jesus said; holy spirit which is the hearing from God and speaking to man Another Comforter was restricted to the disciples. Not even the next generation which included Paul was promised any help of holy spirit.

^^^^ Give me your address and I will mail you original Quran. Original Quran is in arabic.

Warning; Your arab christian friends will never be able to read the Quran without making mistakes. Dr. Anish Shorosh was a good example how Quranic arabic is not on the tongue of arab Kufr.

^^^^^^^^^ Maybe you should pray Jesus into God and commanding you to worship him first? Thats a better deal because up to now, your worship is like water over duck's back; it runs back because it does not stick.

Quran is the Book you should judge any Bukhari hadith by. When you ignore Quran, what good is Bukhari hadith for your argument?

^^^^^^^ fr0sbel, a link is a single line. okay 3 lines since 3 is always what you want. spambot will not get you on that.
i think you are practicing deception by your claims on spambot.

^^So how does the still editing bibles stand in the face of truth? You have no shame Fr0sbel.

@Bulldog: « #36 on: Today at 10:41:17 AM »
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@Bulldog: « #14 on: Yesterday at 10:00:31 AM »Could you give me the word Takiyah from the verse you quoted or do you think you can make a statement and not be challenged to prove it? I am read the QUran as I am typing this response. You are very deceitful to make claims that are unfounded. And is Peter denial of his god Jesus not the greatest sin on him or any christian? See how you destroy the original sin of transference of sin, while Peter had to bear his own responsibility even though it is 3 times the sin?

as if what is staring you in the face doesn't prove the point well enough. The meaning of taqiyya comes from quran 3.28 but if that's not enough for you, other books of authority in islam has that like in [/Quote]Damn you dog! I read the Quran in Arabic. There is no meaning of Takiyya in 3/28. Check your Bibles, you will find direct and indirect ruling for deception. If you will make excuses for the lies and deceits in your Bibles, at least apply the same to 3/28 of the Quran wherein strict instruction is given about not putting yourself in harm's way.

If Muhammad [as] was the writer of the Quran even as we know him to be an illiterate, he will definitely surpass in intellect and honesty and resolve than you 1 God and then 3 Gods.

Muhammad got it right the first time while all of you with the 3 Gods in support are still editing. And you will never stop editing.

@Frosbel: « #19 on: Today at 11:32:58 AM »
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I am not a regular poster on NL. I mainly just read. I must admit that i am impressed that in the midst of all the abuses, name calling and a lot of immaturity there are people who are knowlegable.


You guys have done a lot of work on the topic so i will try to be as brief as possible in my response.



@frosbel

I do not think Jesus just chose which of the laws to obey, i believe He showed them that the spirit (intention) of the law is more important than the letter(mere observation) for 'the letter killeth. Examples can be found in His teachings on sabbath, honoring parents and sermon on the mount.

just as you rightly said, the plan of God was that gospel was meant for the whole world (in your seed will all the nations of the earth be blessed). However it was to start from israel. That was what the OT was about.

Theologians believe that the book of daniel and revelation is the same book revealed to two persons.that is why they have a lot of simillarities. But you realise that nothing was said about the church to daniel because it (the church age) was still a mystery. The explanation is found in revelation.

My point is this; Jesus came through judaism for there God had laid a foundation for the redemption of mankind. He lived His life as a jew and that explains some of His actions. however He symbolically died a roman death (crucifixion) for rome was controlling the world at the time.

After His ressurrection, the next phase of the redemption plan was activated. This included all non jews. Peter i believe was supposed to champion this for he was the one that was given the keys to the kingdom (matt 18;17) and he used it to unlock the door to the jews in act 3 and gentile in the house of cornelius.

However peter still had a lot of allegiance to jews as seen in his defence of the cornelius trip and his refusal to eat with gentiles in the presence of the jews. Hence someone else had to be 'recruited' and who else but the one who had been under the training of one of the most respected of his time - Gamaliel.

Everything about paul was different from other apostels- his call, training, calling and subsequently message. But just as the roof does not look like the foundation (christ) but they perfectly complement each other and as ipad takes its source from the IBM first generation computer, so is paul's teaching to christ's.


Thanks Brother, appreciate your contribution.

Indeed we now observe the Law through the indwelling Spirit , which means we now walk after the Spirit and not the flesh.[/Quote]Shameless liar frosbel, show me where you are told that the spirit will dwell more the 12 disciples in your "indeed we now observe the Law through indwelling spirit"? The new even ridicule you and all of you because your God now changed His mind, from your writing.



[Quote]Paul put it so wonderfully here :

"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." - Romans 8:1[/Quote]Can you quote something similar to this that Jesus said? I wanna laugh at you in Nzukka dialect.



[Quote]"For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit." = Romans 8:3-5

Another thing , just as Image123 rightly mentioned, endeavour to be like Christ and not man , the whole reason we have many many believers and so called Christians been misled today , is due to the plethora of false teachers and prophets we have in the body of Christ , who draw worship unto themselves and not Christ.

"And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith." - Hebrews 12: 1b to 2a[/Quote]If Jesus was the pioneer and perfecter of faith [christian faith they must be talking about], why did Jesus speak about another comforter to do all Jesus said the comforter will do? Read Paul. Paul must be the pioneer and perfecter of Christian faith, instead of Jesus. I have to assume that Paul was the another comforter, because nothing the flamed tongue "ghost" did or said is recorded. Nothing he made the ones whose their head were aflame said were recorded. Unless the another comforter prophesy from Jesus is unfulfilled, Paul or someone else have to be the another comforter.

@Davidylan, East and Enigma: « #16 on: Today at 07:24:21 AM »
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Anyone that is interested in understanding the place of the old testament laws in relation to [b]the new covenant under grace[/b] should read the book of Hebrews. Brilliant exposition there.[Quote]Who and who made the new covenant under grace? What was its text? Who and who made the old covenant that is not under grace? What was its text? You make statement, you must back it up with irrefutable evidence.


[Quote]Paul's message is completely synonymous with that of Christ.

You are correct my brother. I don't see any contradictions per se.
Lets be led by the Holy Spirit and not logic.
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Re: Paul Vs. Jesus's Teachings: Is There A Conflict? For serious bible scholars
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^^^ Rather, let the Holy Spirit inform and illuminate our logic. Smiley

Cool[/Quote]When you are blind as a bat, even 3 feels like 1.[/quote][/quote]

@Frosbel: « #147 on: Yesterday at 10:08:01 PM »
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RELAX, THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF ISLAM. ALL ANSWERS ARE IN THE QURAN AND SUNNAH (HADITH) OF THE PROPHET. THIS SAME QUESTION WAS POSED DURING THE TIME OF THE PROPHET AND HE REPLIED.

There is nothing beautiful about ISLAM my dear friend.[/Quote]Everything about Islam is beautiful and fresh and latest. As an illustration, I met a pastor last thursday. He is from west africa. I saw him on skype video, he looked old that i was thinking this man must be at least 10 years older than me. Somehow we spoke about life and I when I told him my age, he said he is around that age. I was shocked. But then I remember the benefit of Wudhu water on the skin.



[Quote]All the answers are in the Quran, yet you need Hadiths, various texts and a world full of books , just to explain the smallest and simplest concepts !! Grin Grin[/Quote]All the answer were in your college textbooks, yet you needed your UI professors to lecture you, then you may need tutorial especially in the lab, but then you form study groups. Frosbel, how far?



[Quote]I have a Quran by the way .

Please explain this for me :

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Quran mentioned (Quran: 19:28, 66:12, 3:35) Mary (Mother of Jesus) as the sister of Aaron and Moses and the daughter of Imran. This is a grave error of the history. Virgin Mary the mother of Jesus had no brother named Aaron and Mary born almost 1500 hundreds years after the Moses and Aaron was born.

Thanks [/Quote]All children of Isreal are sons and daughters of Jacob, sons and daughters of Isaac, sons and daughters of Abraham. Read your Bibles and see how the jews referred themselves in relationship to Abraham in their dialogue with Jesus. Are the sons and daughters of Abraham not brothers and sisters? In fact Sister of Harun and daughter of Imran have shorter generational length than sisters of Isaac and daughters of Abraham. And it reflects prejudice if you permit Jesus son of David, yet question his mother being daughter of Imran!. Oh. All Igbos are brothers and sisters even to the first born or first generation born of the children of the original father of the igbo people. All igbo people in the past, now and in the future are sons and daughters to the father of igbo people.

@Bulldog: « #14 on: Yesterday at 10:00:31 AM »
[Quote]You said i shouldn't use the acts of muslims to attack islam while in the actual sense it's islam that makes muslims commit those crimes. Just below you'll see the quote in your koran that justifies the killings and the jihads. Apart from that shia muslims and sunnis likewise are empowered by koran 3:28 through taqiyyah to contradict allah and deny islam if their doctrines or themselves are challenged. And that even raises a very big question about what you said of muslims only allowed to fight back if they are attacked while the quran stated clearly that they can jump ships in Q3.28 "Let not the believers take those who deny the truth for their allies in preference to the believers – since he who does this cuts himself off from God in everything – unless it be to protect yourself against them in this way…" i had had enough of the koran lies so do you have any other lie? Hehehehe, [/Quote]Could you give me the word Takiyah from the verse you quoted or do you think you can make a statement and not be challenged to prove it? I am read the QUran as I am typing this response. You are very deceitful to make claims that are unfounded. And is Peter denial of his god Jesus not the greatest sin on him or any christian? See how you destroy the original sin of transference of sin, while Peter had to bear his own responsibility even though it is 3 times the sin?

^^^^^^^^^^^^ Islamic Egypt of today is different from the Egypt of Abraham and Sarah. The people living there then were black people, your forefathers. You forgot that your forefathers according to you gave Sarah one of your sisters [his own daughter Hagar] as slave! Does that make any sense?

@Bulldog: « #3 on: January 30, 2012, 01:00 PM »
[Quote]Yeah right. And i stand by my word because it's quite obvious that there a large difference between the laws of moses as opposed to the ten commandments . the koran inspired by the all illitrate allah In a previous sura says 2:256 Let there be no compulsion in religion:, And not very far away from the that again he blurted out 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them only a fool of a god is meant to make a statement and then make another statement completely abrogating his previous statement. But it's quite obvious which one muslims follow. Lol[/Quote]THe verses of the Quran that you quoted compliment each other in the same way that a teacher says to the class you do not have to attend the lectures, if you wish. Then says to the students, when you take the exams, if you fail you will not be promoted, instead made to repeat the class. Are you thinking mr. bulldog because your dog is lying like a rug [You know the saying let the sleeping dog lie?].

[Quote]John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.[/Quote]But his mother Mary had no husband. How sincere is a claim of a father for a son of a husband-less woman? By the way, on the matter of being the way, the truth and the life and no "man" cometh to God but by Jesus, lets ask if this is true when we make Adam the man here, and Eve the woman? How about the slain Abel, or Prophet Enoch or prophet Noah or prophet Abraham the Friend of God, or Lot or Isaac [I will not mention Ishmael their achillies heel], or Jacob, or Joseph or Moses or Aaron, or Joshua, or Samuel, or Saul, or David, or Solomon, or Elisha or Elijah or Jonah or Job or Zacharias or John the greatest of all prophets of the children of Israel including Jesus who he baptized?

@Tidytim: The above is what grabbed in your post. I will take sometime to read it all and see where your head is. You seem to living out the verse in Surah Maryam where Allah says do you not see how we have let loose Satan on the disbelievers. . . ?

@Deaols; As sSalaamualaykum wa Rahmatullah. May Allah continue to keep you and increase you in strength and wisdom. Amin.

^^^^^^^^^^ I know you will not know the difference between disciples and apostles. We know the difference. The disciples were called awariyun in arabic. The apostles, from them was the master of corruptions, even corruption personify.

@Pastor aio; Heeeeeeeooooo [Ed McMahon of Johnnie Carson era]
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Frosbel; « on: Today at 04:58:37 PM »Show me where Jesus said he is God, that the ghost is God and that Ellah is God.

You are this your Ela that you keep on banging on about.[/Quote]I said Ellah. Jesus said the same. Read what he called his Lord God the only time he mentioned His Name. He didn't say Yahweh, Jehovah or any name but Ellah.


[Quote] Are sure that you're not an Ifa worshiper worshiping the Ela of yoruba myths.[/Quote]Unless you do not know that Allah is Ellah in Syriac accent of Jesus Christ, how could I be a Keferi, when I am a muslim? Are you not a joke, pastor onifade? abeg, dress [step aside].

Frosbel; « on: Today at 04:58:37 PM »
[Quote]If you know anything about Christianity, you know that it is based on the teachings of Jesus.[/Quote]Show me where Jesus said he is God, that the ghost is God and that Ellah is God.
Show me where Jesus said you must built churches, worship in them, beat drums, clap hands, dance, instead of standing bending and prostrating as he did in Gethsemane, and you making a non speaking ghost his another comforter who was supposed to hear from God what he does not know before and speak it to his community as Words coming from God?


[Quote] You will also know that many of His followers contributed to what is now known as the Christian Bible. One of the most prominent writers of the New Testament was the Apostle Paul.[/Quote]Disciples followed Jesus. There were 12 of them. Which disciple was Paul?


[Quote] He wrote the majority of the New Testament and was one of the most revered early church fathers. But as with many great religious writings, many of them have come under scrutiny. It has been proposed and even argued that Paul’s teachings are in direct contradiction to those of Jesus. Was the great Apostle Paul actually corrupting the words of the Great Teacher? Let’s dig a little deeper into this thought.[/Quote]so shall we dig in further. I wanna read where Jesus became the redeemer of the whole world and not just the redeemer of the house of Israel nations, calling them back to the worship of One Lord God in acts of doing good for the pleasure and in deeds of obedience of God.

^^^^The one to be in the future. The word Dhalika means it is honored, like when you point to heavens, your destination, davidylan rather than when you point to the earth.

But if we say this is a miracle or prophesy fulfilled, you will definitely have something to say about it. Is it not a fulfilled prophesy when he [as] by Allah repeated what Allah said exactly, and it became a book later after him?

Was the Bibles made to be books? were they made books in the life of say Jesus? Did Jesus predict them as books? You may need to relax and think about this for a moment before responding.

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Maybe you need to tell me what aspect of his life that you wish to talk about and i will devote my time telling it to you.

All aspects of his life. Preach to me how through Mohammads actions,i'm sure to live a righeous life and assured of Heaven.[/Quote]Paradise is the abode of those who sincerely worship Allah in the way of Muhammad [as]. In heaven, there is paradise and there is hell. But in Paradise, there is no hell. The action of Muhammad [as] is the personified latest Word of God; a moderation of action. But a thorough commitment to the Worship of God. While the Jews live the letters of the law and the Christians the spirit of the law, Muhammad [as] encouraged us to live the letter and the spirit. For example, you show mercy to your family and when someone comes to violate them you show him a force strong enough to repel or over come him.


[Quote]Can someone who strictly followed Mohammad's life and actions make Heaven?[/Quote]Quran promises Paradise to Muslims whereas Jesus has condemned many christians to the lowest and even utter rejection.


[Quote] You have just suceeded in giving so many comments which did not prove anything.[/Quote]But we have just began our dialogue, your challenge to the muslims. Just encourage the likes of Frosbel and Davidylan to stay off our conversation. If they are so eager to announce Jesus, let them prove him in the challenge of Lagosshia.
You simply made so many claims without any fact.

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We do not have just an eye for an eye or just give them your other cheek. We have through Muhammad [as a balance between; if you want to retaliate, it should be equal not greater. if you wish to forgive, do it for the pleasure of God instead of being a mumu by offering the other eye so that you become a totally blind man.

The issue of turning the other cheek is in a simple sense. Do not retaliate,thereby paying evil with evil.[/Quote]This is in the Quran and this is your interpretation of what you think that action is. I never have seen any person, community or country of Christian that has practiced that yet. But the Quran knows man is evil, so man is encouraged to take the high road.


[Quote]This is to show how peaceful Jesus was to ensure peace even when you are offended.[/Quote]Considering the same Jesus as a youth turn the tables over, said who is my mother in a disrespective tone and then said about slaughters of his subjects as a king and yet told people to sell their belongings leaving them with only what they wore, is an indication of suicidal intention. Is this peaceful in your mind? Just because he changed his mind in the eyes of formidable force is not a way out here. Think about it. What was his thinking when he asked that they sell their properties and buy sword with everything they gained from it. Not even food they need for survival of war the needed to buy.


[Quote]When Jesus and the appostles were persecuted,they never retaliated.[/Quote]Maybe you are talking to a raka here? I am no foo.l. If a soldier boy slap your face and you do nothing in Enugu does not mean you are gentle. It means if you dare to stand up to him, you may lose your life. Put Jesus and the disciples in that condition. Please dont let us talk about any apostle here, because only disciples Jesus had. I don't know why you are using mago mago call them something else so that you can wayo wayo introduce some other people.


[Quote]By paying hatered with hatered,where is the forgiveness and love?[/Quote]The one who is in power and forgives the one who is less powerful is the one who is forgiving and loving, especially when within the right of revenge. Jesus was never in position of power. Muhammad [as] forgave the people of Makka even after they had persecuted him and his community for 13 years straight so much so that they ran away evento ethiopia, and finally to Madina. Yet upon his victory without any bloodshed, he forgave them all. If anyone was killed it was not because of personal action against Muhammad [as] but because they spread evil in the land.


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It his lifestyle in love that i am trying to copy with my spouse. I do my own cooking. I cook for her. i never asked her what she does with her money. I do not allow her to contribute anything except her love from the heart for the sake of God.

I appreciate that. Cool
But you are not realy imitating him.[/Quote]WHo do you think I was imitating? Are you going to tell me about myself?


[Quote]Infact,you are obeying words in the Bible."So aught men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself[/Quote]The Quran says husband and wife are garments of each other. What does garment do except to cover you, beautifying you because it does not allow you to be exposed and people to see your whole and you are left defenseless, no honor? I do not take anything from the Bibles. Nothing.


[Quote]Actually he ordered you to beat your wives.[/QUote]have you seen lovers beat each other in tenderness? Thats a good beating. Not the black and blue that we see all over the world today.


[QUote]You may argue that its disobedent ones,but no matter whats the case,its not love.[/Quote]Do all Christian husbands love their wives and there are many with girlfriends for each day of the month and some women are beat up badly?


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Muhammad [as] in death is alike in the hearts of believers; there is no fighting that has no rule of engagement.

His death sounds rather shameful.[/Quote]He died in his bed surrounded by his loved ones; the whole muslim community of Madina missed him. Must we compared to the death of the one hung?

@Frosbel: Ha ha. This does not concern you. If your bosses find out you are not on the labor line, you will be in trouble.

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He broke the ethnic and other artificial barriers to reach God; what he left is what God commanded; Piety and God consciousness.

By spreading his religion with sword and pretence was Gods commandment? [/Quote]This opinion of yours reminds me of the opinion of Tonye-T who is disproving the messenger [as] about the ways of satan, as if tonye-t received revelation from God on the subject. Do you know which society Muhammad [as] used the sword to spread Islam, and I will show you two swords purchased in the Bible and then point you to intended mass slaughter of those who do not want a "ruler" to rule over them. But this is beside the point. If Muhammad [as] had spread the religion by sword, no non muslim would have remained in Madina. No non muslim would have been alive in the Middle East. It would have been the same as the case of Jericho under Joshua, or those nations that Moses killed their people, including animals and cutting down of trees. It would have been like the case of Jesus against the fig tree cursing them all or with the pig that he herded to be drowned by making evil things enter them. The Muslims in India would have destroyed her in the almost 800 years they ruled it, or destroyed Spain and beyond in the almost 800 years they ruled her. See what Fernando and Isabella did just to end the dominance of islam.


[QUote]I once read a comment by a Muslim boasting that a non-muslim wont enter heaven c[b]os if, Mohammad wouldnt have fought so much to extablish Islam.[/b] So tell me,what did Mohammad say about Jews and Christians?[/Quote]I didn't quite understand the bold. But what Muhammad [as], indeed Allah by His Book says about the Jews and Christians is that they are a form of disbelievers. And disbelievers are doomed to the fire. Even Jeremiah said the jews are disbelievers because they changed the Book of Moses. Moses made sure the pagans among his people perished by Yahweh as they made cow gold and called it their God [Yahweh]. They did not enter the "promised land". Even Jesus said the disbelievers among you will enter hell because he said "i do not know ye" to those who are better christians than you.


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He was a medium between harshness and meekness. There was nothing fake about him and reaching goal of success with God by those who follow Muhammad [as] is not a fairy tale.

It seems you dont know what is harsness?
Irrespective of his actions, his order has twerted any believe in meekness,[quote][/QUote]Let me copy Biblical Jesus here, but in a good way. Only a fo.ol will summit himself to torture to prove an unnecessary point. Between complete harshness and complete meekness is a measured harshness and measured meekness. Even Yahweh is harsh against evil of Pharaoh and meek against Moses who He did not kill because his mrs Moses exposed her hairs. the measured meekness and harshness of Muhammad [as] thwart that of all the humans because it is in moderation, cautioning and resisting human tendency to take undue advantages.


[Quote] Let them find harshness in you.
Give me a verse that says "no compulsion in religion" and I will provide you with verses that twarted it,even outside self defense.[/Quote]I just gave it to you. Show me where it says outside self defense and give us the tafsir and all the signs and sciences and knowledge behind it. I will not go to where God says to Moses to kill people or where Jesus puts it upon himself calling for the death of people.

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His life in Islam; his obedience to God.
His kindness to all. His resolve as he walked the path laid out to him by his Lord.
He encouraged all to be on that path and not deviate from it. Indeed he was a means of mercy and forgiveness for all.

If you know what is forgiveness and mercy,[/Quote]I do know what is forgiveness and mercy, even so demonstrated by my mum on me. I am also a father. I demonstrate forgiveness and mercy on my children, but not in the same quality that my mum does on me. Muhammad's forgiveness and mercy covers me and my mother, as God says in Surah Taubah, all under the Forgiveness and Mercy of God.


[Quote] you will agree with me that Mohammad was just opposite.[?Quote]His forgiveness and mercy top that of Jesus because even after the killing of jesus his blood can not protect you, since he said that on the day he will tell those among you who have performed miracles in his name that "I never knew ye". I only have to follow Muhammad [as] in worship and in dutifulness to God and His creatures to be covered by the forgiveness and mercy of Muhammad [as] under the Forgiveness and Mercy of God.


[QUote] He ordered the execution of many people.[/Quote]Because they spread corruptions in the community.


[QUote] Any one who mockes him never goes free and got hatered for the Jews and Christians.So,they are all marks of his mercies and forgiveness.[/QUote]If he did not let mere mockers live, the person who put hazards in his path so that he could suffer difficulty would have been the first to get killed in Madina. Yet it is this same person who got sick and was visited by the messenger [as]. The person was to touched by the gesture that he/she became muslim. There was no enemy of Moses or Jesus that became his follower in his lifetime. Muhammad [as] forgave so much that his mercy from God was shown to people of Makka.[/quote]

@Judek2: Let me thank Allah for the opportunity that He has offered both of us in this dialogue. I appreciate you now for your intention to at least read about Muhammad [as]. I will do my best, InshaAllah and I do not claim that I know all, because his life was so complex that Alla used him to overcome all miracles before. For example, he traveled the length of earth to heavens and beyond and return while his sleeping place was still warm from the heat of his body. That will be just few minutes in our time, but when you consider 1 day being 50,000 with Allah, you will see that it is possible, when God Wills to make this possible. After all, we muslims say Adam and Eve descended from heaven and met up on earth on Mount Arafat in Makka, and you can see that the first House built for worship of God is in Makka [The Kabba of Masjid Haraam]. And you and I agree that Jesus was lifted up by his Lord God to heavens.

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@Judek2:^^First his life before Islam. He is head and shoulders above all. In Islam he bettered himself. He shines as a star even now. No one who have walked this earth equals his dedication to God and or his commitment to the ultimate success of mankind.

And how can you prove that?[/Quote]Without writing too long, let me use Moses and Jesus to elaborate the value of Muhammad [as] to prove my point above. In your Bible, we read that Yahweh [God] was so furious or unhappy with Moses that God attempted to kill Moses, even though as God had sent him out to deliver message. Note that Moses had not even finished delivering the message of God, then. You will wonder how God of the Bible be waylaying Moses if both are in-sync in purpose and intent?

When it comes to Jesus, we notice that at Gethsemane, he prayed all night, prostrating his face, crying, weeping, begging God. EVen all of these, from your Bible God Almighty the Lord of Jesus delivered him to the hands of their mutual enemies to be killed. You will see that the Bible said that Jesus was killed by his enemies, and not his friends that killed him. Unless the enemies of Jesus that killed him are not friends of the Lord God WHo sent Jesus to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, they must also be enemies of God.

In the case of Muhammad [as], there was no time that God was displeased with him. Let me refer you to Quran to find that out. God declares that 'you have a noble example in this messenger'. This statement alone trumps all what said about all other previous messengers and prophets [as]. Go to your Bible and show me any of them that God did not stop. EVen Abraham, your Bible says that God told him that his desire is different from the desire of God, on his beloved Ishmael.



[Quote]His so-called success of mankind is only affirmed by Muslims.[/QUote]It is Muhammad [as] who let me considered Jesus different from what the Bible say Jesus is. However the christians will say that Jesus was sinless, but they ignored the sins that he committed from his own standard of 'do not say fool', or how he called everyone other than the jews "dogs", or why would God rejected his prayers so much over delivering you who is not the begotten son? Can any normal father do that? The yoruba says "regardless how beautiful your daughter is, you will not beautify another man's daughter. And it is only in the eyes of the christians that jesus is more than human prophet, though he exhibited all the traces of human prophets, while the jews think even today that he was just a rabbi.



[Quote]And why are you so deluded to claim that, when his actions towards his odds during his time was so unspeakable.[/Quote]Today people like me, either male or female take him as the best. Even non muslims like Hart take him as number 1 over Jesus and Moses, etc. Everyone can spin the best quality to make it the worst.



[Quote]He was a nobody before he met Khadija, so,the woman actually made him achieve anything he achieved.[/Quote]At 25, he was still a virgin in a sleazy town called Makka. There is no way that a Nigeria man in2012 at 25 years old is a virgin, unless he is a muslim or have good morals or from good home. He will not be it because he is a christian because the blood covers him or her even after committing the worst sin. If my wife makes me, I am good because I am still her husband, sharing in the success, basking in it all by herself. Do you know what a call trophy spouse? She will be that.

Please give me the chance to respond, completely and this will be our little dialogue box.

@Bulldog: The above is for you.

^^^^^^^^^^ Darn lap dog. You are at best a chihuahua or a french poodle pretending to be bulldog. You need a pit bull to tear you apart.

If Takiyya is now what you are saying about muslim, please tell me which is the truth and the other will be the lie between the two below:

1} Jesus said "Hear, oh Israel, your Lord and my Lord is but One God".

2} Jesus is God.

Which of them is one the pages of the Bible? Which of them is said my Jesus?

We wanna read you telling us the truth.

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@Frosbel: See. From the way of mercy of Muhammad [as], even muslims are being merciful to you, in spite of your calling God man, ghost and sitting father.

What's all this mumbo jumbo Undecided[/Quote]Mumbo Jumbo? Sheesh!
Which of these qualify/ies as mumbo jumbo?

1] Me telling Deols to overlook your ignorance?

2] Me telling you that if it was not for the way of mercy of Muhammad [as], i will not tell her this, but will encourage her to be tougher with you?

3] The man Jesus is your God?

4] The ghost holy spirit is your God?

5] Your God the father is sitting on his throne?

Your choice[s].

@Deols; In defense of Frosbel, you must not blame him. His slave drivers [when a soul disregards his Creator, he is saddled with those who will have no mercy on him. One who says God is 3 will be given many masters from among the creations; some are slaves to their pets, running them all over the places, controlling their lives, occupying their time and if the animal is not happy, the human slave[s] as unhappy, too], are always on top of him, tasking him with heavy burdens, from before dawn to after dusk. My proof >>>>>

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The writer of the article is not writing as a MUSLIM, he uses what he believe to analyse his thought.

Shocking   Grin

Now you need atheists to help decode your Quran.

In fact [b]after work [/b]today, I will spend at least 1 hour to break down that article and show you how silly it is.

Wow !![/Quote]He intended to say AFTER LABOR. I do not blame him for not seeing that every person can make [a] mistake except Muhammad [as]. Allah uses his actions to give legislation of worship and life to all. Believers follow the examples as much as they can. Disbelievers shun them.


@Frosbel: See. From the way of mercy of Muhammad [as], even muslims are being merciful to you, in spite of your calling God man, ghost and sitting father.

@davidylan; [Quote]c. seeking to employ the escapist "isn't the bible much worse" game.[/Quote]isn't it worse? is it not?

actually, i am reading about the palindromic verses in the Quran.

I am sure the Bibles does not have such a linguistic wonder. What am I talking about. The Book cant even be preserved in original language or the language of the prophets they were revealed to.

^^^^^^^^^You.
Or do you think graduating from university truly makes you educated?

Have you heard the expression, he went through University, but University didnt go through him?
To have cultivated you as a work horse is not education. Education to be able to go out and start a life differently from what they drill into your brain, if you choose. Can you do this, davidylan? i doubt it.

The message is lost on Davidylan. Davidylan did not think deeper with wisdom that Germany is the land of Martin Luther, the father of protestant brand of Christianity.
This is similar to Arabadan ni waju ile Sodeke.


@Judek2; We are told to be moderate and never extreme in our life and definitely never be extreme in religion. Those who are extreme are the ones who are the deviants.

I wait till my turn to die. I will not hasten death for me or for anyone else.