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@Joagbaje: « #19 on: Yesterday at 07:19:18 PM »
[Quote]He may say so ,but Jesus is coming anyhow[/Quote]So he has not returned from the time he was lifted up? but he promised he will come back while the disciples were still alive, at least one of the 12?

The below are the things I expected to happen to no one else except to the disciples, by Jesus and the Another Comforter;

1. The Another comforter coming to correct the disciples. To lead them to all truth. To tell and or show them things Jesus didnt. To remind them of
truth Jesus must have said, correcting them on lies that may have crept in into the ministry of Jesus after he left. Glorifying Jesus. These were
to come from the "What he hears from God he shall speak" defined or confined process of the duties of the Another Comforter. We do know that
there is no where Jesus said the another comforter which is the teacher a spirit from God "the holy spirit" will affect anyone else except the 12
disciples or the 11 remaining after Iscariot killed himself, while Jesus had been murdered.

2. Jesus was to return with at least 1 or more of the disciples alive.


My question is this, did either happen exactly as it was written in the Bible? If not why?

If Jesus is expected in the future, is that not a failed prophesy, even now?

If Jesus arrives today, he will be playing to the ekiti gallery of statement that no one is ever late when they say "OYA HO" after much much overdue return.

I wonder if Jesus will be accepted to return in a nick of time, in the future, what shall we say of a mere 610 years when it comes to Muhammad [as]?
Joe. Ronu soro no ko to dami lowun.

@Davidylan: « #17 on: Today at 09:09:55 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: tbaba1234 on Today at 04:34:25 AM
This is why the issue of scriptural authenticity is important. The problem with Zoroastrianism is that there is nothing really left of the actual writings and sayings of Zoroaster. The liturgy remains, and some ideas of the basic theology, but his actual words are more or less lost. The problems with Biblical authenticity are
well known even to honest Christian and Jewish scholars. Here is an area where the Quran, the main scripture of Islam, is really outstanding. There is very little controversy over the authenticity of the Quranic text. In fact, one could pick up a copy of the Quran from any mosque anywhere in the world, and one could
compare these with manuscripts dating to within thirty years after the death of the Prophet Mohammed and you would find the text unchanged except for the style of writing and certain marks placed to aid pronunciation.

Here is mrs Aisha mohammad putting a dent in your little fantasy up there - Sunan Ibn Majah, Book of Nikah, Hadith # 1934)

Narrated Aisha 'The verse of stoning and of suckling an adult ten times were revealed, and they were (written) on a paper and kept
under my bed. When the Messenger of Allah (SAWW.) expired and we were preoccupied with his death, a goat entered and ate away the paper."[/Quote]People who think will read this "hadith" and ask if it is a hadith at all. Then how authentic is it by looking at the circumstances based on what Quran itself says about Preservation of it as to guarding it so that corruption does not come to it; changing it, adding to or removing from it. All verses of the Quran were well memorized by many before the death of the prophet [as]. There were 4 well known scribes who wrote down the verses all at the same time, giving the messenger [as] 4 full copies all at the same time, in addition to individual copies of whole or some portions of the Quran in the hands of the people, in addition to its memorization because they have to use it for salat, every day.

Why will the 2 issues above be the only portions that the "goat" ate? eating them from all the 4 complete Quran parchments? And it ate all the copies with individuals in their homes and then from their memories?

Even if we accept these above, scientists with brains not straws will know that Quran does not allow unclothedness or nudity so much so that it will say that a complete adult male must be breastfed by a complete adult woman so that they will not sleep with each other! This is madness by those who are suggesting this concept. The essence of sex cant have a better starting point from the breastfeeding! Only idi,ot enemies of Islam can suggest this mind bending idea. Is the breastfeeding of the adult in front of everyone or behind closed door where all the imaginable can happen? David, use your head, please because you are insulting the educational system of nigeria if you are arguing like this.

Stoning does not have to be in the QUran because the punishment of an unmarried person and the one who is married when there is illegal sexual offense cant be equal. The person who is married has a partner to act out with while the single person doesnt. Muhammad [as] is the one who explained what each verse means, just as people washing their mouth, rinsing their nostrils, etc in wudhu and how many rakat are in each salat were explained by him, so is the stoning instead of 100 lashes.

^^^^ You sabi copy and paste sha.

Madam try o. No be small.

ol boy are u still dey do this in the closet? lol.

Wahala dey.

@Frosbel: [Quote]"I have loved things about you and I have hated things about you and there is a lot I don't understand about you … I will not pray for you."[/Quote]Before you arrogantly start foaming or frosting at the mouth, no human's prayer or otherwise can affect the Messenger [as]. His position with his Lord is guaranteed. Everyone whoever walked on this earth is behind him in preference to God. Muhammad ibn Abdullah is #1 with The One WHO honors, reward in good and prevent evil or punish whoever He wishes.

Maa tonra e.

@Chuksxp: « #32 on: February 10, 2012, 03:46 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on February 10, 2012, 03:31 PM
@Chucksxp: « #29 on: Today at 02:42:15 PM »Please remember the simile when you answer the below.

So explain to me if the simile is not in play when the word is said to have become God and the word is God. Are there not more than 1 God in this case, if the word is truly God, rather than spoken by God?
Finally, if the SPIRIT of God descended like a dove, what is the spirit of God really, if it not simply a simile like word of God being a double edged sword, or hammer, or fire, etc or became flesh? Is there anytime the "word of God became flesh and word of God is double edged sword or hammer or fire or others in the etc happen to be present at the same time? If there was, what happened to the word of God really, if the word of God is actually God? Will you not have more than 1 God and even more than 1 word of God?


What is a simile? A simile is only present where there is LIKE or AS. In John 1:1, it doesn't say the Word has become LIKE God. It says the Word is God.[/Quote]thanks. it reminds me that jesus was the one who got his own mother Mary pregnant being the holy ghost to create himself in the womb. jesus was the one that was walking in the garden looking for the hiding Adam and Eve, after they ate the "fruit". if i stop here, we wonder how can Jesus be watching Adam and Eve, allowing them to commit sin, reject them and it does not seem like he forgave them the reason original sin remains as the stain. then Jesus came to allow himself to b killed not by all mankind, but a group, the jews. yet after all of that death which to me is very hypocritical, the original sin is still a stain. this is a death that serves no intended purpose.



[Quote]And if you read Jeremiah 23:29 where it talks about fire and hammer, it says “Is not my word LIKE fire,” declares the LORD, “and LIKE a hammer that breaks a rock in pieces?"[/Quote]so what is the difference between the word that is became flesh and the word that is like fire, hammer? was jesus the word that is like fire, hammer breaking rock in pieces? could you tell us how these words connect as jesus, the meek who couldnt raise his hand against anyone, instead turn the other cheek? i hope you will not say that he breaks rocks into pieces as hammer. But wonders do not cease to happen.



[Quote]It doesn't say the word is God is a hammer or fire. It says it is like. That's like me saying a banana is like a plantain.[/Quote]both banana and plantain are existing things, edible, physical, present at the same time. how many words of God are there, chuksxp? this is what i am hoping that you get. not only you, all christis since God was speaking while jesus the word that became flesh according to you was being baptized. baptism is a new thing with the jews; before jesus and after him, and during his time, no one among practicing jews engage baptism.



[Quote]We can see the LIKE there. As for the double edged sword, sorry for my earlier post. I just read Hebrews 4:12 again. It doesn't say God's word is a double edged sword. Rather it says God's word is sharper than a double edged sword.[/Quote]so how is jesus the word made flesh, according to you God is sharper than double edged sword, considering that jesus said that 'of my own power, i can do nothing, . . ."? i think that cant do nothing double edge sword is dulled out.

@Judek2: « #6 on: February 08, 2012, 11:49 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on February 07, 2012, 11:58 PM
@Aletheia, Olaadegbu, Frosbel, etc.

See. Up there.

Some christian guy is bold. He give us the name of christian God, finally. He said he is Jesus.

So the God son is Jesus who died on the cross in the hands of Jews.
Also the God father is Jesus who sits on the throne in heaven, waiting for you.
Finally, the God ghost is Jesus who got Mary pregnant for an on behalf of God father to produce God son.

So when Jesus died on the cross by hanging and nailing and spearing, they all died.

This is what your man, the op is saying. Talk to him and I am just deducing from the thread title. You dont have to read the content to get this

I am sure i will get more supporting evidence if I read the piece.

God can express himself in many ways. Smiley
Remember Melchizedek.[/Quote]I remember Melchizedek. That makes 4 gods, still because he is still around somewhere on earth. No? That killed your Trinity. Doesnt it? And i bet melchizedek is greater than Jesus, because death never catch him. No?

@Frosbel: « #267 on: Yesterday at 09:48:39 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: tbaba1234 on February 09, 2012, 11:35 AM
The first point to note is that there is no islamic state in the world at the moment. No state is properly implementing the sharia altruistically. Everyone is picking and choosing what to implement.

What a blatant lie.

Saudi Arabia and Iran are 100% fully compliant Sharia countries.[/Quote]Reading the piece of this europe resident oodee called frosbel wanna make me throw up. Yawk. Tell if both are 100% fully complaint sharia countries, why are they so different? I am assuming you will at least be able to know that there is something one of them is doing that the other is not doing, yet it is in the Quran, where Sharia is pulled from? How can they be both 100% compliant sharia countries, at the same time, now? Your dumminess and mumuism are definitely 100% fully complaint oodeeness aspects of you.



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In an islamic state, every religious group has his own legal system, that is the christians within the state rule by their own law and the Jews rule by their own law. This was prevalent in the Ottoman empire and the empires before. Everyone had a choice of which law, he wanted to be judged by.

Not true , in a fully ISLAMIC society, there is no compulsion for non-believers ( not apostates ) to join ISLAM, but they are mandated to comply 100% with Sharia LAW.[/Quote]So when non muslims perform illegal sex, is he and or she brought before the sharia court with 4 witnesses against him and he defending him or herself against them? It is not true that you are not a mumu.



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The rights of everyone is assured under the sharia but for the most part the muslim nations have failed to implement the system since the fall of the Ottoman empire in the 1920's.

Hmm, let's see , fully failed to implement the system , right Grin

With the tens of thousands of beheadings, hundreds of thousands of feet and hands cut off, women subjugated and unbelievers relegated to second class citizens, God help us when the REAL Sharia is implemented.[/Quote]Sharia is like the citizen arrest concept in america. every evil doer will be aware that he or she can hide. so he only thinks about it and immediately prevents himself from doing it. and that is the greatest Jihad of all. Frosbel, madam needs to take the key pad and the mouse from you.

@Chucksxp: « #29 on: Today at 02:42:15 PM »
[Quote]The bible says ", he saw the Spirit of God descending LIKE a dove." It doesn't say the Holy Spirit is a dove. It says He descended LIKE a dove. That's called simile.[/Quote]Please remember the simile when you answer the below.


[Quote]Just because the Holy Spirit may have taken the form of a dove doesn't mean He's a dove. For example, there're several places we see the word of God being referred to as a double edged sword, hammer, fire, etc [/b]It [b]doesn't mean the word is actually a physical hammer or sword, etc.[/Quote]So explain to me if the simile is not in play when the word is said to have become God and the word is God. Are there not more than 1 God in this case, if the word is truly God, rather than spoken by God?
Finally, if the SPIRIT of God descended like a dove, what is the spirit of God really, if it not simply a simile like word of God being a double edged sword, or hammer, or fire, etc or became flesh? Is there anytime the "word of God became flesh and word of God is double edged sword or hammer or fire or others in the etc happen to be present at the same time? If there was, what happened to the word of God really, if the word of God is actually God? Will you not have more than 1 God and even more than 1 word of God?

@Olaadegbu: If you think your illiterate thinking diagram of Yahweh, Holy Ghost and Jesus is God instead of are Gods, you need to open your mind up, for the very first time.

You said Jesus the son is God, but he is not Holy Ghost who is also God and neither is Yahweh the father WHO is also God.

How many Gods are there, if you can simply know the difference between addition and subtraction of whole numbers?

If you have so many Gods and 1 one them died, will you not have less Gods than you had before death took one of them?

If they are all equal to 1 God, when death took one of them will you not have less than 1 God, or is the one dead not important enough to make a dent on the 1 God, still?

You will die in your ignorance, if you refuse to think. I am certain satan has gotten hold of your brain.

It is unfortunate that those among us who say they are muslims do not follow the example of Prophet Muhammad [as] as he did not speak ill but respect the soul of the dead, feeling pity for those who did not die as muslim.

What didn't late Ojukwu for his people? Before the war, he told them to return and they will be protected from their slaughterers who were muslims by mouth but not by deeds.

He said if they arrive in the east, they will be protected since the north and indeed mr yakubu gowon did not have the spine to protect all nigerians.
Ojukwu lobbied hard for his people's right and honors. I respect the bravery of the man.

While most of you who could not say anything about the war except what you read in the history of it are as bitter as bitter leaves against one another, many who had a first hand experience of it or old enough to know nigeria was on fire have moved on becoming members of community of grass root hoping for a greater Nigeria.

If you are an igbo man hold your head high without being arrogant about it. Work hard to improve your people. Start from yourself, then your family and work hard to affect others. And you may just affect the Yoruba [i happen to be a Yoruba and i dont need anything from anyone Thank Allah], hausas, etc.

if you are a yoruba man, the above applies to you. You, too, hausa, ganbari, edoma, ikale, edo, etc.

All of us will die. When we die who wishes that his death is a controversy? No one. Awolowo, Azikwe, etc all have passed. Adekunle will pass without any doubt.

Those mudered, Akintola, Ironsi, Tafabalewa, Amadu Bello, etc, have passed on and their cases as well as the case of Ojukwu is with God. We are still alive to do good, hopefully shun evils and mend our ways to God.


I hate this anger among my nigerian future leaders.

ALhamdulillah, I did not have anything to do with the place i was born. Where ever I die, I hope i die among those who are good, believers so that they bury me with believers.

Let reflect on our own lives instead of arguing, even disrespecting the man, a notable nigerian who passed.


Let all these angers die down or it may just eat you up. alive.

@Fr0sbel: [Quote]The most popular "prophecy" about Muhammad is found in Deuteronomy 18. It is quite ironic, then, to learn that, according to Deuteronomy 18, Muhammad can’t possibly be a prophet. As we will see, this puts Muslims in an awkward position, and helps show the lengths to which they will go in their efforts to defend their prophet.

The purpose of this essay is to prove, based on Muslim claims (including their appeal to Deuteronomy 18), that Muhammad was a false prophet. I will begin by presenting two arguments against the prophethood of Muhammad, and I will follow this by carefully defending the arguments. Once I have shown that the arguments are sound, I will briefly discuss the options available to Muslims who want to reject the obvious conclusion.

THE DEUTERONOMY DEDUCTIONS

There are two elements to look for when examining deductive arguments: valid logic and true premises. To say that a deductive argument is valid is to say that, due to the logical form, true premises will always lead to a true conclusion. The most basic argument form is the syllogism, and the most basic valid form of the syllogism is Modus Ponens. The logical form of the following arguments is Modus Ponens; thus, they are logically valid:

Argument A—false gods and false prophets

A1. If a person speaks in the names of false gods, that person is a false prophet.
A2. Muhammad spoke in the names of false gods.
——————————————————
A3. Therefore, Muhammad was a false prophet.

Argument B—false revelations and false prophets

B1. If a person delivers a revelation that doesn’t come from God, that person is a false prophet.
B2. Muhammad delivered a revelation that didn’t come from God.
——————————————————
B3. Therefore, Muhammad was a false prophet.

Since the logic of both arguments is valid, true premises will always lead to a true conclusion. Hence, if the premises of these arguments are true, Muhammad was a false prophet. Let us turn, then, to a careful discussion of our premises.

Read The Rest Here[/Quote]Desperate effort. I will respond to it when I am less busy.

@Fr0sbel; « #11 on: Today at 03:52:02 PM »
[Quote]Since you want to derail this thread, I am obliged to assist you  Grin Grin[/Quote]So my analytical thinking, hence opinion of what you said is amounting to "derailing"? Did you see me introduce anything that is not what you already wrote? I am thinking you will want me to accept what you said or what the Bible writers said without connecting the dots from the Bible, verse idea to verse idea? It does not work like that in real world.


[Quote]Muhammad claimed that Jewish and Christian scriptures had predicted his coming (see, e.g., Qur’an 7:157). This has led Muslim apologists to comb the Old and New Testaments in search of passages that refer to their prophet. While all biblical evidence offered by Muslims in support of their prophet appears horribly strained to non-Muslims [b](provided the latter read the passages in context) [/b]and has been thoroughly refuted time and again, it is still common to hear Muslims claim that the Bible speaks about Muhammad.[/Quote]Please read the matters of the functions of the another comforter and his hearing and speaking and being a teacher, a corrector, etc in context being a spirit from God and being the holy spirit of the Christian Trinity for me, fr0sbel. For me, i do not use the Bible to determine the Quran. I use the Quran to determine the Biblical verses. I remember as a child, I knew that God cant be like me, human male or female, regardless of what miracles came from his hands. Thank God Jesus supported me by his "of my own power, i can do nothing" statement. Also, I knew that 3 cant be 1 and God Almighty will not suffer the calamity of humiliation, etc and death, even if Jesus was deemed resurrected.

I am thankful to God Who has made my heart steady against lies and concocted webs of nothingness. Can the web of spider serve as a house for man, preventing him from the elements?

The most popular "prophecy" about Muhammad is found in Deuteronomy 18. It is quite ironic, then, to learn that, according to Deuteronomy 18, Muhammad can’t possibly be a prophet. As we will see, this puts Muslims in an awkward position, and helps show the lengths to which they will go in their efforts to defend their prophet.

The purpose of this essay is to prove, based on Muslim claims (including their appeal to Deuteronomy 18), that Muhammad was a false prophet. I will begin by presenting two arguments against the prophethood of Muhammad, and I will follow this by carefully defending the arguments. Once I have shown that the arguments are sound, I will briefly discuss the options available to Muslims who want to reject the obvious conclusion.

THE DEUTERONOMY DEDUCTIONS

There are two elements to look for when examining deductive arguments: valid logic and true premises. To say that a deductive argument is valid is to say that, due to the logical form, true premises will always lead to a true conclusion. The most basic argument form is the syllogism, and the most basic valid form of the syllogism is Modus Ponens. The logical form of the following arguments is Modus Ponens; thus, they are logically valid:

Argument A—false gods and false prophets

A1. If a person speaks in the names of false gods, that person is a false prophet.
A2. Muhammad spoke in the names of false gods.
——————————————————
A3. Therefore, Muhammad was a false prophet.

Argument B—false revelations and false prophets

B1. If a person delivers a revelation that doesn’t come from God, that person is a false prophet.
B2. Muhammad delivered a revelation that didn’t come from God.
——————————————————
B3. Therefore, Muhammad was a false prophet.

Since the logic of both arguments is valid, true premises will always lead to a true conclusion. Hence, if the premises of these arguments are true, Muhammad was a false prophet. Let us turn, then, to a careful discussion of our premises.

Read The Rest Here

@Fr0sbel; « #8 on: Today at 02:58:01 PM »
[Quote]Summary :  Muhammad was  False Prophet according to Jesus Christ.[/Quote]Then Jesus will have to be a false prophet according to himself. Read your Bible. Tell us who is the hearing and speaking Another COmforter, WHo was John who by Jesus account is the greatest born of a woman prophet and John said I am not Elijah? WHen did Jesus return now that no single one of the 12 disciples is alive while you are now expecting Jesus as if he promised you he will return in your time? Fr0sbel, are you for real?


[Quote]"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book." - Revelation 22:18[/Quote]The writer says "I warn". Is this Jesus or somebody else? Did Jesus warn? Here is what Jesus warned about; No one must abolish the law and whosoever abolishes it or encourages anyone to abolish it, shall be the least in the kingdom of heaven." Lets look at the kingdom of heaven for a moment. Who wants to be the least in it because he abolished the very laws and prophets Jesus had to guide himself under? Some may argue the least in the kingdom of heaven is higher than the greatest prophet born of woman, John according to Jesus. But the another comforter is to correct all errors. He must be the one whose warning must actually be heeded. Did Paul write the above verse of revelation, instead of Jesus who was already lifted up? Yes. Did Paul abolish the old laws and the old prophets? Yes. How can anyone accepts what Paul said, unless the people indulging in deception?


@crossman9; « #9 on: Today at 03:40:41 PM »
[Quote]Contradictions in the Qur'an
The purpose of this page
We do not reject the Qur'an because of this list of contradictions. There are many reasons of much more substantial nature why we do not believe the Qur'an to be from the one true God. You will find those discussed on other pages of this web site (e.g. [1], [2]). This page is not intended as an attack on the Qur'an. Sadly, many Muslims have become unnecessarily aggravated because they did not understand the purpose of this collection, . .[/Quote]Take it to the thread created for it. You will find Lagosshia and co responding to you. We are discussing the gullibility of fr0sbel here.

@Fr0sbel; « on: Today at 12:45:28 PM »
[Quote]1) What does this teacher say about Jesus? In Matthew 16:15-16, Jesus asks, “Who do you say I am?” Peter answers, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God,” and for this answer Peter is called “blessed.” In 2 John 9, we read, “Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; [/b]whoever continues in the teaching has both[b] the Father and the Son.” In other words, Jesus Christ and His work of redemption is of utmost importance; beware of anyone who denies that Jesus is equal with God, who downplays Jesus’ sacrificial death, or who rejects Jesus’ humanity. First John 2:22 says, “Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son.”[/Quote]If teacher is also a prophet, he will agree with the truth that Jesus brought and said about himself, while false teachers and false prophets can do two things; either water down the absolute truth of Jesus or elevate Jesus to what he is not. Lets deal with what Jesus said about himself and if Jesus disagrees with Peter, then Peter is a liar or somebody lied against Peter. Thank God the Bible was not written by Peter, so the quote is very suspicious. Jesus said about himself; I am the christ. He did not say he was the son of the living God, while others were not. In fact the whole of Jewish nations are children of the living God, even so much so that they are Gods Himself. There is nothing unique about being 'child of the living God" because there were so many sons and children by the living god that some of them became interested in daughters of men, so much so that they came from heaven to knock them up. But no one of the Jewish nations person is The Christ, a position unique to Jesus, alone. What did the another Comforter, a True Teacher and True prophet of God, Muhammad say about Jesus? Isa ibn Maryam, he is the massiah. And Muhammad [as] never called anyone the same title.

Anything that emphasized son of God is false while messiah is the only appropriate statement about Jesus.

Fr0sbel cant keep his lies straight; He destroys Trinity in many instances but will want us to accept it, though he emphasized that God is the Only Important Entity to have. He will want to tag Jesus with Him, by round about way, while he forgets that it is the holy spirit that strengthened Jesus of the Bibles and not Jesus strengthening the holy Spirit. Yet these two are irrelevant to God's Absolute Power and Ability to do all things.



[Quote]2) Does this teacher preach the gospel? The gospel is defined as the good news concerning Jesus’ death, burial, and resurrection, according to the Scriptures (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). [/b]As nice as they sound, the statements “God loves you,” “God wants us to feed the hungry,” and “God wants you to be wealthy” are not the complete message of the gospel. [b]As Paul warns in Galatians 1:7, “Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.” No one, not even a great preacher, has the right to change the message that God gave us. “If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!” (Galatians 1:9).[/Quote]Is amy of the bold from Jesus? Of course not. They are all the handmade of Paul, who was not even a disciple. That tells you something about the true Gospel of Jesus; it is not found in the Bibles. But you can find it in the Quran. What is the truth that Jesus said? Go to the Quran and index "Jesus". You can better educate yourself, instead of accepting what Paul said. Jesus was a prophet and he spoke about the another comforter as a prophetic teacher coming from God. Muhammad [as] fulfilled this role, coming from God as a prophet.



[Quote]3) Does this teacher exhibit character qualities that glorify the Lord? Speaking of false teachers, Jude 11 says, “They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam’s error; they have been destroyed in Korah’s rebellion.” In other words, a false teacher can be known by his pride (Cain’s rejection of God’s plan), greed (Balaam’s prophesying for money), and rebellion (Korah’s promotion of himself over Moses). Jesus said to beware of such people and that we would know them by their fruits (Matthew 7:15-20).[/Quote]Is everything in the Gospel from the mouth of Jesus? Lets leave the other books of NT, I do not want you to say I am criticizing them too much. Why cant Jesus defend himself by his own words?



[Quote]For further study, review those books of the Bible that were written specifically to combat false teaching within the church: Galatians, 2 Peter, 1 John, 2 John, and Jude. It is often difficult to spot a false teacher/false prophet. Satan masquerades as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14), and his ministers masquerade as servants of righteousness (2 Corinthians 11:15). Only by being thoroughly familiar with the truth will we be able to recognize a counterfeit.[/Quote]If the former Muslims only knew that Satan is masquerading as "Jesus" to them!

@Fr0sbel: « on: Today at 12:45:28 PM »
[Quote]Question: "How can I recognize a false teacher / false prophet?"

Answer: Jesus warned us that[b] “false Christs and false prophets” [/b]will come and will attempt to deceive even God’s elect (Matthew 24:23-27; see also 2 Peter 3:3 and Jude 17-18). The best way to guard yourself against[b] falsehood and false teachers[/b] is to know the truth. To spot a counterfeit, study the real thing. Any believer who “correctly handles the word of truth” (2 Timothy 2:15) and who makes a careful study of the Bible can identify false doctrine. For example, a believer who has read the activities of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit [/b]in Matthew 3:16-17 will immediately question any doctrine that denies the [b]Trinity. Therefore, step one is to study the Bible and judge all teaching by what the Scripture says.[/Quote]I have to assume that Jesus was alluding to at least a true prophet shall come after him. This assumption is based on his telling us how to identify false christs and false prophets. Is there anyway we can identify a true prophet after Jesus, even if he preached anything different from what the Bibles say Jesus preached, though we are not for sure 100% Jesus preached it even based on the Bibles? Lets ask Jesus if there is any true prophet after him: My proofs are the fact that John didnt say he was not christ or the that Prophet as the jews were expecting Elijah, Christ and the that prophet to make 3. Jesus himself and John disagreed on if John was Elijah. John being the greatest prophet born of woman, according to Jesus says he is not Elijah. Jesus made the claim of being Elijah for John, as well as the greatest Jewish Prophet born of woman, surpassing Moses who the OT said no prophet as great as him was ever raised for Israel. Yet it is the laws of Moses that John and Jesus abide by. Yet Jesus disagreed with the Bibles about Moses and Jesus and John disagreed with about John being Elijah. can anyone trust what Jesus of the Bibles say or believe he said all the things the Bibles claim for him if Jesus was to be believed as honest?. Someone has to be lying in all of this.

Jesus let us know that Another comforter will come that will correct the false doctrine that will prevail after him. The fact that Jesus said the another comforter shall make correction should help Fr0sbel and others to know that if there is no correction to the biblical doctrine preached by anyone who claims he is a prophet, he is not the another comforter. Did the holy spirit make any correction? Please point me to the list of corrections.

Jesus also said the another comforter is to guide to all truth. The correction must be part of the guiding to all truth. How did the holy spirit who didnt correct guide to all truth?

Jesus said that the another comforter shall remind people of the truth that Jesus said. The truth has to be without the lies. The lies have to be corrected anyways. How did the holy spirit that didnt correct can remind anyone of the truth that Jesus said and came with? Did the holy spirit which the christians say is less than Jesus not have a physical body and no voice, but the mighty Jesus that has seniority over it had a body and had to speak up so that people can hear him? How did the bodiless and voiceless holy spirit speak to humans and succeeded in it, while Jesus its senior had to come like human and voice like human was compelled to actually be functioning like human and yet still left the ultimate duty and success to Another Comforter to fulfill? If the disciples failed and must be corrected by something should it not be something tangible with body and voice that their initial teacher, Jesus? We must limit this correction, leading to all truth, etc that the another comforter must accomplish after Jesus on the disciples alone if we say the holy spirit is the another comforter. But he had no voice while the bible reported that the Voice of god was heard by many before now, even with a dove like body at the baptism. Why changes to lack of body and voice after Jesus yet Paul was able to catch the voice of the lord in his conversion? Is this the pattern of God; Voice before with Moses in the Burning Bush, Voice and Body when he showed Himself to the jews, Voice and dove like body at baptism, no voice or body at Pentecost, then voice at conversion of Paul?

Its ironic that Jesus as God in Trinity does speak with identifiable body shape of a man to the heathens; the muslim Infidels when he want to convert them to chrstianity. But when he came as Another Comforter which is the Holy Spirit, Yahweh/Jehovah neither came as a bodied entity nor with any voice. Instead the folks spoke is tongues, not knowing what they themselves said or in which languages the spoke. This is very confusing because it would have been a sight because everyone of them will be doing their own thing.

Incidentally, Muhammad [as] warned the muslims not to raise their voices in prayers, personal conversation with God, hence many people offering prayers at the same time, individually shall not create from their voices a market place experience of noise.

Jesus gave a litmus of how to know a true prophet; The one that says Jesus is the anointed [Messiah, christ]. He also gave litmus of false prophets; those who say things god did not sent them; what they say will not come to pass. You must not be concerned about this type of prophets because they are false. Jesus was reported to say he will return before his disciples all died. Did he return as he promised? If he did, when and what did he say, do, corrected, etc? If he didnt, id there any disciples on earth, in case he arrived to fulfill his prophesy? Why are the christians still expecting him, if he has returned the only time he promised to return in the Bibles? where did he promise yet another return so that you will be justified in your expecting him? Who is the another comforter based on what Jesus said this another comforter shall have to do, by hearing from God and speaking in audible voice to man?

If the Bibles and or their writers lied on Jesus, is there any reason to take anything from the Bibles, except if we looked at what the another comforter says is correct? If the Bibles are correct, we have so many correct documents of different kinds on the same subject. Is there an ultimate correct Bible? Is the ultimate correct document not supposed to be what the another comforter says he heard God say and just simply saying it, too, in order to fulfill the prophesy of Jesus? Fr0sbel, you can't walk away now.



[Quote]Jesus said[b] “a tree is recognized by its fruit”[/b] (Matthew 12:33). When looking for “fruit,” here are three specific tests to apply to any teacher to determine the accuracy of his or her teaching[/Quote]Can an apple tree produce apples, avocados, oranges, lemons, guavas, unless these fruits are artificial to the apple tree? look at the true fruits, you will find the true prophet who is the teacher to correct the lies sewn on Jesus. Jesus mentioned this another comforter, a prophet, a teacher knowing fully well by inspiration from God that there will be lies heaped upon him by the zealots who wanted a human God. This is their desire and their desire is weak and futile at the end. Thank God for the Another Comforter [as].

We should bear in mind that OT said that a complete prophet shall arrive on earth that will only hear words of God which He puts in his mouth and he shall speak those words. Anyone who shall not come to him and follow him about the words of God, such a person shall be asked at the appropriate time; The Day of Judgment is definitely appropriate if no other time God Wills as appropriate time. Jesus, the christian has made a God, so he will not fit as 100% prophet. We must look to somebody entirely different to assume this role.

obviously they stopped fighting for God from here on end or they used to fight for God all along until now.

the christian needs to accept that there was bombing for God, until now. and bombs kill.

Imagine if salah is a personal conversation with Allah and everyone in Madina is making his own taraweeh in the mosque.
What will be the noise level?


||RAISING VOICE IN PRAYER||

Abu Sa' id al-Khurdi reports that the Prophet was making seclusion (i'tikaf) in the mosque and he heard the people reciting aloud. He removed the covering and said: "Verily, each of you is in a private conversation with his Lord so you should not disturb each other. And you are not to raise your voices against each other in the recitation."

This is related by Abu Dawud, an-Nasa'i, al-Baihaqi, and al-Hakim who grades it sahih according to the criteria of al-Bukhari and Muslim.

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Was the christian heavens a good destination? It it is, this story teller, only from the thread title will not wish to come back to this not so pretty earth.

There was the proof; Jesus didnt die or this guy had the same condition that happened to Jesus.


is there a third option, eh olaadegbu?

Can anyone help me to ask the arab stooge [shoebat] if Jesus didnt become a dove after he was a lion? why would you believe that the another comforter will not become 100% strict monotheist at the end? who built the kaaba after the flood of Noah but the re-builders, Ibrahim and son Ismail [as] whose pictures shoebat said were in the kaaba.

the pictures are if nothing else proved that shoebat told the christians and jews that the preIslam of Muhammad [as], the pagan arabs believed and knew along with many who knew in their hearts that Ismail and Ibrahim didnt cease to be son and father after their separation much in the life of Ismail.

Ibrahim [as] loved Ismail enough to prove what the Quran says about them to be correct instead of the animosity brewed up in the Bibles of christians and jews.

we can see here that the truth is difficult to cover in the same way that you cant cove the smoke with basket. I will think that this video will help many to know that if the pagans arabs knew that the relationship of Ibrahim and Ismail lasted the lifetime of Ibrahim, it will not be impossible to see that the sacrificed son was Ismail, the reason the tradition remained with the muslims a group that most arabs belong when it comes to religion.

it also proves to the people arguing that Ismail didnt live in Makka, hence not the progeny of Muhammad to Ibrahim that they are completely wrong.
Finally, even the pagan arabs showed enough love on Ibrahim that the jews who are claiming that Ibrahim is their own exclusive property should now know that God of Abraham is also the God of Ishmael before He is God of Isaac and God of Jacob. This information if the jews and the christians realized what it has done to their religion, they will bind shoebat and ship him out of dodge. It is enough for us as muslim to use to flatten the more the already flattened idolatry religions that are competing with absolute monotheism; Islam.

Glory belongs completely to Allah. Muhammad [as] did not allow even the pictures of his forefathers Ibrahim and Ismail to remain, how then do you think if the black stone remains it is not by order of Allah? Did anyone noticed that shoebat didn't talk about any idol, moon god or not remaining in Islam Makka of Muhammad [as]?

@Tidytim; good job man. you beat your brother olaadegbu to the truth of Islam this time. he already beat you on the Hajj cartoons though.

@Aletheia, Olaadegbu, Frosbel, etc.

See. Up there.

Some christian guy is bold. He give us the name of christian God, finally. He said he is Jesus.

So the God son is Jesus who died on the cross in the hands of Jews.
Also the God father is Jesus who sits on the throne in heaven, waiting for you.
Finally, the God ghost is Jesus who got Mary pregnant for an on behalf of God father to produce God son.

So when Jesus died on the cross by hanging and nailing and spearing, they all died.

This is what your man, the op is saying. Talk to him and I am just deducing from the thread title. You dont have to read the content to get this

I am sure i will get more supporting evidence if I read the piece.

frosbel
olaadegbu

laffin

So the so called resurrection of Jesus is a common thing and nothing unique about it?

I love these people, they always provide you with enough inlet to lay it hard on them.

^^^^ how do you like them apples, JeSoul?

Oh. The squad from The Big Apple. I forgot. I didnt mention their names first.

They are call NY Giants.

When it comes to The Patriots, the New York Giants become Paul Revere and then they become "The Raiders".

I hope you left the locker room, already?

^Have you finished questioning The Creator of all?

Ask Him what is the Name of the Religion He ordained on mankind from Adam till the last Day?

It will not be Judaism whereby you write prayers on pieces of paper and sticking then in cracks of old broken down wall. Before Jerusalem there was Makka.

It will not be Christianity where you dance and stump your feet, clap hands, sing like sparrow with an orchestra playing for you.

Worship of God in religion is serious business with firm consistency.

Tidytim: Where is the punch line? Whats the moral lesson here?

The muslims are acting contrary to Quran?

The muslims are against gays, while the Bible supports them?

Quran is wrong about gays while Bible is right?


What mehn? Your piece is too long and I cant sit through it.

As I want to joke about you, I constantly refrain myself because Quran says I shouldn't so that you do not have the justice to retaliate by going beyond adequate retaliation in your quest to insult Islam.

@Frosbel; « #29 on: January 28, 2012, 09:36 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Beretta92 on January 28, 2012, 09:30 PM
@ op,i suspect dat ur supposd "reason" 4 asking dis questn is simply 2 criticize n fynd fault wif d xtian faith.why 're u so concerned 'bout xtian stuff?does it bug u down?if u fink u'r in d right wif ur faith,then stay in it n stop attacking other pple's all d tym.

Show me a Muslim who can do without the Bible and or Christianity and I will give you 100 Bucks.

Without the Bible, the Quran is finished.[/Quote]only 100 bucks for the big finding? You are a truly cheap man.

Judek2^^^ you are funny at the same time not serious.

@Judek2: « #29 on: Today at 06:47:28 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on February 04, 2012, 06:25 PM
Will you not say Melchizedek is more divine that Jesus since he did not have a mother or father and no one knew where he was born and if he died, if you refuse to accept Adam who was before Jesus or Lady Eve who was also before Jesus, yet it is a womb that came from Adam and Eve that Jesus was made from?

Jesus is the Lord of Adam Smiley[/Quote]You know that you are lying with your smiley on. I will require that you prove it beyond any reasonable doubt and the below is so wishywashy that I will respond to it now.


[Quote][Genesis 1:26] And God said, Let us make man in our image,after our likeness:[/Quote]and did Jesus respond as if part of the we? Havent you heard of old Igbo dignitary say "we or us" for himself?


[Quote]John 1:1In the begining was the Word,and the Word was with God,and the Word was God.[/Quote]does this make any sense proving that Jesus, a mere word of God spoken is now God? What did you think Moses heard of his Lord in the burning bush but mere words of God since he didnt see God? Are yo saying that that word at the burning bush was Jesus? How was it that God word was heard during the baptism of Jesus? What was that word, Jesus? But Jesus was the one being baptized and God word was being heard from heavens the bibles report?


[Quote]he is the the Lord of David.ps 110:1 The lord said unto my Lord,sit thou at my right hand,until I make thine enemies thy footstool.[/Quote]There are 2 Lords here. 1 the Real Lord. The other a fake because it is the Real Lord that has all the commands, including instructing the sitting and doing the warring, debasing. If Jesus is the one commanded, please know that he has no power, as he rightfully said in the gospel. That is not a lord than the people of the house of lords are lords.


[Quote]he shall judge You, me, and Mohammad, and the whole world.[/Quote]He prayed behind Muhammad [as] if you do not know that in Israh wa Miraj and Allah is the Judge of all.


[Quote][PS 110:5] The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.[/Quote]And did Jesus strike any one? Tell me which kings or king. Maybe no one will be reading this but me, so you can spill the beans.


[Quote]6) He shall judge among the headen,he shall fill the places with the dead bodies. He shall wound the heads over many countries.[/Quote]Where is Jesus in this since he does not fight? Lol.


[Quote]I wonder how sorry,regretful and trembling Mohammad will feel standing before his God,Jesus Christ on the day of his wrath and judgement.[/Quote]Between Muhammad and Jesus who do you think has wounded and debased evil kings? Who fought war and defeated evil empire?


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How many Gods are there? Adam and Eve came from heavens. Elijah was taken up to heavens.

He created Adam, he created him out of the dusts of the earth. He did not descend from heaven. .[/Quote]And Jesus was created in the womb of Virgin Mary. How is the Creator being created inside a woman unless he is not the real Creator? If you think Adam was created on earth, then show me the garden of eden and the tree of life with the flaming sword turning all over the places. You do not know what you are talking about so dont be too emotional when you respond. Just think about it.


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Enoch was also. Muhammad was and returned to earth. So just because Jesus didn't have a father, that made him God, try Adam or Eve or Melchizedek or even worker termite.!

Shocked [/b]Shocked Shocked Shocked
Blasphemy against God, human existence and Mohammad himself. Surely,you shall be held accountable for your word.
A Lie from the pit of hell,just like your father.Satan.He was a liar frod the begining.[/Quote]Everyone shall be held accountable for his/her words and deeds, including beliefs. It is in your Bibles that you guys play with satan. I curse satan the accursed. Do you remember that Paul lied about Jesus, cursing him? Paul is your father and he was a liar and a killer from before.


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Where is your sense?

My sense is in accordance with the [b]Holy Spirit,who teaches and directs me. Cool[/Quote]Jesus stopped the holy spirit with the disciples. It did not reach the people after the 12 or the 11. how can you claim you are included in the holy spirit, unless you are kidding me, actually kidding yourself?


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Abeg, dress as they say in Nigeria, move, or step aside and let me see front! You will remain in your abject ignorance the way you are going.

Undecided Undecided Undecided Undecided , Lips sealed Lips sealed Lips sealed . Remember, your warlord was an illiterete, the same blood flows in you. Tongue Tongue Cheesy Cheesy[/Quote]This is why the psalms above will not talk about Jesus.


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Muhammad [as], I repeat is the one that allowed me to give Jesus a second look. If I look at him from the mirror of Christianity, I will see Ogun, Thunder and all kinda idols, including the moongod when i factor in your cross!

Mohammad was the ignorant man who rewrote history, and ancient stands. He renamed his forefathers Smiley Smiley[/Quote]Was rewriting history not the role of the Another Comforter? Let Jesus answer for us from the Bible: The another comforter shall correct you based on what he heard from God against the errors on the ground.
You must have some education? Is there a correction unless there was an error?


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Salvation is of the jews. What did the jews do?

For they worship the Living God during the time of Idols. It is from the Jews,but od only for them,but for the world. Salvation is OF, not FOR. A simple English.[/Quote]And they made Yahweh of a golden idol. That enough throws them out of the loop of those who worship "the Living God". Then you accused King Solomon the wise to even worship foreign [moon god must be foreign since they found it in the land he ruled over as a king? Jesus was never a king]. How do the Jews remain the custodian of salvation, if it is true salvation? Do evil doers keep on to salvation?


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Salvation belongs to God. He will forgive and give mercy to those who seek them in salvation away from punishment from Him. Muhammad [as] taught that by God. And no one had to die.

It is a gift from God to those who believe.[/Quote]But you believe 3 persons God and you never prostrated your face like Jesus did.


[Quote]What is Salvation to you? MUSLIMS KNOW NOTHING ABOUT SALVATION. Salvation is a foreign and strange language to you, so I dont have to start explaining to you,with the language you can never understand.[/Quote]Salvation for me is belief in ONE God Who deserves all my worship and my obedience to Him, alone. Your condemnation is Trinity which has made you adopt god from a prophet [as] and god from an angel [as] and cheapened the Authority of God, creating partners for Him.


[Quote]Once again, STICK TO THE TOPIC, You have just succeeded in posting bunch of gibberish. Lips sealed[/Quote]The topic is who do muslim emulate. I say I emulate Muhammad [as] and my conversation is very clear on the issue.

^What about those who worship anything other than The Only One Lord God The Creator?

Whether true prophet or not, etc?

@Phxc: « on: Today at 01:53:57 PM »
The below is classic, either a new discover by few casting the majority of bible believers as people of schisms, itself another schism, both are lies or is there a way that they are all truth from God Almighty? Lets example the below and maybe we will arrive at some truth or absolute truth.

[Quote]Gen 3 vs 22 - 24 ----  22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us,[/Quote]Notice that before God created and after He created man, we always read Him talking and never read where anyone in the "We, US" that He used responded. Why? Are the others dumb? Or was He using Majesty Pronoun for Himself, alone?


[Quote] to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:[/Quote]Is Biblical God threatened by discovery and everliving of what He created? Shouldnt the good be known away from evil?


[Quote] 23Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.[/Quote]the bold is proof of many things; Is Biblical God not capable of seeing His own handwork preserved forever, especially now that we know that He created Paradise and Hell, places to preserve body and soul of their inhabitants for ever based on good work of belief and deed under His Mercy and bad work of disbelief and deed under His Justice? Is it ironic that no garden can be located by anyone, no cherubim and flaming sword and tree is here to tell us if there is any truth to the above? Or how did they all perished, especially the tree? Did some family used it as firewood? God can be deemed jealous by people who think jealousy is mere expressing of your rights which must not be violated based on ground rules. But to suggest that God will be intimidated by some knowledge that creation can acquire is ludicrous. The so called tree of life would be creation. Can creation supporting creation be able to overcome the Creator? How will eating from the so called tree of life could have threatened the Supremacy of God Who has no equal, whereas off the bat there were man and woman at this incidence of eating or attempting to eat? Yet there were angels already created endowed with more power, even to wipe off mankind as we speak now.


[Quote]Contrary to what we've been told, God didn't send them out because they ate the forbidden fruit but[b]because he was afraid[/b] they might eat the tree of life and live forever.[/Quote]only in the Bible can God be afraid. Its no wonder therefore that God is made human, even to have to be conceived, and go through all the stages of fetal developments as well as worldly developments. I bet at 33 he would have developed ability to impregnate a woman with his semen/male gamete, except he didn't do it. There are many confirmed bachelors today. Even people older than 33 may still be virgins.

Here is my opinion based on not making Creator like creation; Nothing that creation will ever amount to that if they support one another in it, it will never be a thing that will threaten what God has. He can just command it to nothing.

^^ 1 post is the norm. 2 posts of the same is a mistake. but 3 post of the same?

@Hauwa: « #77 on: November 18, 2009, 11:02 PM »
[Quote]http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1938378,00.html

are u SOA Abuzzy?[/Quote]I think the guy was intending to fight till death. He reminded me of the intention to fight till death of the disciples who sold all their belongs, just like Hasan gave away all his.