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I dont know why people are resorting to insult fathers, parents of the man who made a simple statement? Why his parents? Public figure are ridiculed, the price of being in the public eyes, especially politics.

And worse is the people taking pride in the action of boko haram. a group of evil doers targeting males and leaving females, so much so that the males left the women in charge is creating fitna, similar to what Allah says of magic in Surah Baqarah during the time of Propet Suleiman of the two angels haroot and maroot. Muslims should organize a malitia with the blessing of the government and rid the community of evil boko haram. evil people should be dealt with.

If the Messenger [as] or any of his successors [ra] is alive today, boko haram will be one of the people war will be declared upon, if war was declared on those who say they are muslims but refused to pay zakat, yet preserving lives is not less than paying zakat.

where are the patriots now?

nyg has got their number.

next year, and every time will have same result.


JeSoul, are you still in the locker room? light out.

@Frosbel; « #14 on: Yesterday at 09:45:45 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 08:00:59 PM
As long as you will accept that they and Jesus worship the same God since they do the same thing, then its your issue. Imagine you worshiping the one who worshiped sango?! Did Jesus have any power? No. He was powerless like you or I. Did Jesus worshiped as in praying for help? Yes. Like I do, too. If anyone worships Jesus who worshiped God, what will you call the worshiper of Jesus? Idolaters. Thats what you are, mister. Deal with it and if you die in this state of idolatry, paradise will be forbidden to you.

He had no power, yet the Quran mentioned his miraculous birth[/Quote]Allah creates man in many ways; Adam without any birth. Eve from a piece of Adam. Children of Adam from sex. Jesus without sex. Many test tube babies, from laboratory dish.


[Quote] and subsequent miraculous power,[/Quote]No. He said he cant do anything in the Bible. Allah says Jesus is a slave in the Quran. Which one flies over your head? lol.


[Quote] even to the point that he did not die,[/Quote]Because Allah saved him from the plots of his enemies. Glory belongs to Allah. Yet no thanks did your hard heart offers.


[Quote] but is with God and will be coming soon.[/Quote]2,000 years plus and still counting. and you will not accept the much sooner appearance of the another comforter as right time? shame on you for using soon after 2,000 years and no end in sight, while you scoffed at mere 610!


[Quote]Now, we cannot really say the same about Muhammad , can we now ?[/Quote]There is no controversy there, like we do not have for Enoch, Noah, Abraham the Personal Friend of Ellah, Moses who Jesus had to follow his laws, John the greatest prophet that ever appeared in Israel. How about Melchizedek?


[Quote]We now know who has the real power.[/Quote]Allah the Al Jabbar. We already know that Jesus said he can do nothing of his own power. Are you going to sell him power from Enron?


[Quote]Jesus is Lord, say Amen to that.[/Quote]The lord that fall on his face to God. The same lords in the british house of lords.


[Quote]There is nothing you can do about , rail , rage, yell and burden yourself about it,[/Quote]So can you about Muhammad [as]


[Quote] nothing changes the situation on the ground, if you refuse to repent of your sins, you will surely perish.[/Quote]You wait and i will wait. There is a day of Judgment. I pray that you do not enter jahannam. But if it is your choice by refusing to enter Jannah, wait the video of Sheikh Shuaib Webb about Surah Lumazah. its on youtube, mehn.

@frosbel; frosbel the liar, or making a liar out of Jesus; Luke 7/28: I tell you, among those born of women there is no one greater than John; yet the one who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he."
Jesus was born of a woman. or you will postulate that Mary was not a woman [coughed and laughed]?

earlier the bible says Moses was the greatest and both Jesus and definitely John had to live with the laws given to Moses.
after all of that, Jesus said all born of women in israel are less than John; Jesus was born by Mary. Moses was born by his mother.

^^^In the fashion of these colors dont run, why should i run away from you?
when i saw your post i responded to it. what arrogance. you think i check if any post is for me?

go sidon. I will InshaAllah i will die as a muslim. Amin.
why would i wanna die as anything else, especially a 3 god kufar? to spend eternity in jahannam? not my wish, even for an enemy.

NY Giants.

[Quote] Re: Prophet Muhammad (saw) And The Christians From Najran
« #7 on: Today at 05:17:16 PM »

Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 04:13:40 PM
@Frosbel: #2 on: Today at 12:19:24 PM »What is the lie here; Muslims worship like Jesus and other previous prophets worshiped and prayed by falling on our faces. But you can not fall on your face except that you go through these motions in the front end or the back end; standing, bending as in bowing, hands and knees and feet on the ground along with the face? Then what is the truth here; Christian do not fall on their faces to pray and worship Jehovah because Jesus who is the one they imitate always sign and dance and clap hands while the band is playing? Ellah is not God, but Jesus is the all powerful God Jehovah? My reference in supporting the christian position are the two verses from the Bible so that we can know that Islam is anti Jesus, and it is a fraud. “During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission” (Hebrews 5 v 7). Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will." [Matthew 26 verse 39].

Let me coast the christians along. Just maybe there is a man that will bite among them.


this is frankly dishonest and stupid. Sango worshippers also fall on their faces to worship, [b]are they muslims too?[/b] Its unbelievable the puerile lengths muslims will go to co-opt christianity into their fraud of a religion.[/Quote]As long as you will accept that they and Jesus worship the same God since they do the same thing, then its your issue. Imagine you worshiping the one who worshiped sango?! Did Jesus have any power? No. He was powerless like you or I. Did Jesus worshiped as in praying for help? Yes. Like I do, too. If anyone worships Jesus who worshiped God, what will you call the worshiper of Jesus? Idolaters. Thats what you are, mister. Deal with it and if you die in this state of idolatry, paradise will be forbidden to you.

@Frosbel: Can you handle this?

The Aramaic Name for God - Elah
www.hebrew4christians.com/Names_of_G-d/Elah/elah.htm

http://www.discoveringislam.org/allah.htm

I want Yahweh or Jehovah or Adonia, eg to be computed out from HAlleluyah

And since the letters of Aramaic are not the same as greek or roman, I say Yaa[h] Allah[u]

Its the sound, mehn.

@Frosbel: #2 on: Today at 12:19:24 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: davidylan on Today at 03:58:23 AM
why cant islam be discussed without referencing christianity? Does islam exist purely as an antagonist of christianity?

Impossible !!

Only the lie relies on the truth to stand up, alas we can all see ISLAM for what it is , an utter falsehood and master ploy by none other than SATAN himself , to destroy the souls of men.[/Quote]What is the lie here; Muslims worship like Jesus and other previous prophets worshiped and prayed by falling on our faces. But you can not fall on your face except that you go through these motions in the front end or the back end; standing, bending as in bowing, hands and knees and feet on the ground along with the face? Then what is the truth here; Christian do not fall on their faces to pray and worship Jehovah because Jesus who is the one they imitate always sign and dance and clap hands while the band is playing? Ellah is not God, but Jesus is the all powerful God Jehovah? My reference in supporting the christian position are the two verses from the Bible so that we can know that Islam is anti Jesus, and it is a fraud. “During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission” (Hebrews 5 v 7). Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will." [Matthew 26 verse 39].

Let me coast the christians along. Just maybe there is a man that will bite among them.

Then why did Jesus answered people by calling them fools, evil generations, etc? Are you now better than Biblical Jesus who didn't say anything resembling Proverb 26/4?

@Frosbel: I am not shia, but they dont believe what you said they believe about the Quran.

Quran they use is what every muslim group uses. There is no difference in Quran among the Muslims.

We can not say the same about the Bibles within the Christian communities, however we try.

Boy Frosbel yi o ni itiju.

@Uyi iredia: « #74 on: Today at 10:28:12 AM »
[Quote]I'll attempt to answer the 1st six questions.

1) I think you and possibly other Christians naively think omni-potency to include logical impossibilities. Not quite, omni-potency of God is inferred from the vastness of Nature and all that is in it and omni-potency precludes logical impossibilities (e.g healing a blind man with good eyesight, making a square circle or walking on water without a base support). Omni-potency is better understood as the creative power of God as seen in Nature and in God's capacity to affect Nature within the limits of that with is logically possible. Do not confuse logically with physically impossible.[/Quote]Based on the bold, etc all above really, how does can God create a God or can God create something that He is not in charge of or can God kill Himself, allow others to kill Him or die?

You know that I am a muslim, right?

this story is an indictment on the conscience of mankind, nigeria as a nation.
the people are dried up of compassion; how does it happen that a nation does not care what happens to her citizens?
how is an 18 year old carry a full term pregnancy no family member or some older person in her neighborhood ask about her condition?
where is the african proverb of "it takes a village", especially now that we live in "global village"?

most religious houses a fleecing the adherents with any intention to help them navigate the real world.
i applaud the young woman if her story is true.

how can nigeria improve her citizenry even at home and those who are abroad will somewhat catch up to her?

While Judek2 is thumping his nose to himself, below is the definition of religious salvation, and tell me if there is a need for blood to be shed to achieve it, rather than God just forgiving whoever ask Him calling upon His Mercy?


Theology . deliverance from the power and penalty of sin; redemption.

Quran, indeed Muslims under Muhammad [as] achieve this by just humbling requesting it from God.

That is salvation made easiest

Will you not say Melchizedek is more divine that Jesus since he did not have a mother or father and no one knew where he was born and if he died, if you refuse to accept Adam who was before Jesus or Lady Eve who was also before Jesus, yet it is a womb that came from Adam and Eve that Jesus was made from?

How many Gods are there? Adam and Eve came from heavens. Elijah was taken up to heavens. Enoch was also. Muhammad was and returned to earth. So just because Jesus didn't have a father, that made him God, try Adam or Eve or Melchizedek or even worker termite.! Where is your sense?

Abeg, dress as they say in Nigeria, move, or step aside and let me see front! You will remain in your abject ignorance the way you are going. Muhammad [as], I repeat is the one that allowed me to give Jesus a second look. If I look at him from the mirror of Christianity, I will see Ogun, Thunder and all kinda idols, including the moongod when i factor in your cross!

Salvation is of the jews. What did the jews do?

Salvation belongs to God. He will forgive and give mercy to those who seek them in salvation away from punishment from Him. Muhammad [as] taught that by God. And no one had to die.

1 eastern person 1 moment at a time. Thats what i am talking about.
InshaAllah the proclamation of God in every village. They will troop into the mosque 5 times a day.

@Frosbel: Since you have been preaching on Nairaland, has any muslim became a former muslim, choosing Christianity, instead?
I personally know Eucharia, a 45 year old daughter of an Eze. She became muslim this year. Glory belongs to Allah The Almighty God, Alone.

Your case should be to Nigerians east of river Niger, the muslims are coming, not from the north, but within the East. The differnce between you are paul Revere is that he was successful in his mission warding of the British [sweat; you live in England], while Islam InshaAllah will increase among my people in the east.

I want your heart to be heavy if not glad for this news.

@Frosbel: [Quote]From the Hadith:

The reason why executing apostates has always been well-ensconced in Islamic law is that there is an indisputable record of Muhammad and his companions doing exactly that according to the reliable Hadith.  According to verse 4:80 of the Quran: "Whoso obeyeth the Messenger obeyeth Allah."[/Quote]How does this now becomes the tool of killing anyone who simply left islam? Muhammad [as] himself and indeed all his companions [as] and muslims who are sincere in their following him must obey Allah in these verses, destroying your lies above:
4/137; Indeed, those who have believed then disbelieved, then believed, then disbelieved, and then increased in disbelief - never will Allah forgive them, nor will He guide them to a way.
3/90; But those who reject Faith after they accepted it, and then go on adding to their defiance of Faith,- never will their repentance be accepted; for they are those who have (of set purpose) gone astray.


[Quote]Bukhari (52:260) - ", The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "  Note that there is no distinction as to how that Muslim came to be a Muslim.[/Quote]Apart from the fact that you deceitfully entered Muslim in it as your own explanation, the hadith is rendered weak by the above verses and many other, including the famous no compulsion in religion.
[5:1] O you who believe, you shall fulfill your covenants. ,
[5:89] GOD does not hold you responsible for the mere utterance of oaths; He , If you turn away, then know that the sole duty of our messenger is to deliver the message efficiently.
[33:28] O prophet, say to your wives, "If you are seeking this life and its vanities, then let me , (You have a greater responsibility.) , And, the guidance comes from the Quran and the duty of a messenger is to deliver the message of God.


[Quote]Bukhari (83:37) - "Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal intimate intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate."[/Quote]it is "deserted Islam and became apostate, then fought Allah and His messenger! Use your sense because how does anyone still in Islam fought Allah and His Messenger, except he was not in islam, playing deceit in the same way as you dishonest here? So say that you went to the premier university of nigeria, is really a shame that you are thinking like this. you can do better. or return the diploma to them!


[Quote]Bukhari (84:57) - [In the words of] "Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"[/Quote]. . . But the widespread assumption that Islam pronounces death for apostasy (ridda, irtidad) can be most persuasively challenged and definitively rejected from the evidence of the Qur’an and the actions of the Prophet and his Companions. . . .
. . .   The actions of the Prophet himself give no credence to the belief that apostates who were not waging unprovoked war on Muslims should be killed. Several individuals and groups left Islam during the life of the Prophet, some of them several times, but he never called for their death. One of his scribes recanted and was unabashed in his apostasy, claiming that “Muhammad only knows what I wrote for him!”, but in spite of this the Prophet left him completely free and interceded for the man on his deathbed. A group of twelve Muslims recanted and left Medina for Mecca, but the Prophet did not spill any of their blood nor did he pronounce the death penalty on any of them. Two young men converted to Christianity and their father asked the Prophet to curse them, but instead he recited the verse, There shall be no coercion in matters of faith (Qur’an 256).

 These cases, and others, prove that the Prophet did not know, command or apply any penal code for apostasy. . . .
theamericanmuslim.org/, /extract_from_introduction_to_the_book_,


[Quote](89:271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle."[/Quote]read the above and know jews are not special people in the eye of islam. the prophet [as] says that no arab is superior to non arab [jew is in this group], no non arab [jew is in this group] is superior to arab, except superiority with Allah in Islam is by God consciousness or piety. Allah says in the Quran it is heart in intention that is seen, in the obedience to Allah.


[Quote]Bukhari (84:58) - "There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, 'Who is this (man)?'  Abu Muisa said, 'He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.'  Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, 'I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice.'  Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, 'Then we discussed the night prayers'"[/Quote]Lets assume that you are correct that the man was killed. But he was not killed because he simply left Islam and return to judaism. He must have been those who mounted offensive acts of war against Islam, the power at that time. America mounted war against her enemy that mounted offensive act of war against her.


[Quote](84:64-65) -"Allah's Apostle: 'During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.'"[/Quote]If I take this hadith for its face value, I will have to come back to interlace it with all the others and definitely the Quran which it must explain. My conclusion is that they will be poisonous to believers, by being a source of aggression. They may be the ones who encouraged others to waylay muslims so that muslims are not left in peace to practice their religion and even wage wars in doing so.


[Quote]Abu Dawud (4346) - "Was not there a wise man among you who would stand up to him when he saw that I had withheld my hand from accepting his allegiance, and kill him?"  Muhammad is chastising his companions for allowing an apostate to "repent" under duress.  (The person in question was Muhammad's former scribe who left him after doubting the authenticity of divine "revelations" upon finding out that he could suggest grammatical changes.  He was brought back to Muhammad after having been captured in Medina).[/Quote]Muhammad [as] is unlike a local or community prophet [as]. He was the one that Allah used to answer the prayer of Ibrahim [as]. He was the one that Allah raised to fulfill the prophesy of Another comforter [Ahmad [as]] of Jesus and the one that when mankind is fully complete by nations, Allah send without a comrade of prophet of his time; He was the seal of even prophet-hood and definitely that of messenger-ship. If he ordered the death of anyone, you will see that the person has lost all human value, just like Jesus called some vipers, adulterous and evil generations [nothing came out of those people that Jesus called evil. Or was Jesus wrong and they became great spiritually? This is for you to think about, Frosbel, Davidlyan, etc]. In the matter of the future, this same person that the messenger [as] says must be killed will be spreader of evil, similar to those who Jesus predicted that he will reject on that day, while you; Frosbel, Davidylan take them as great christians because they perform miracles now to the glory of Jesus! These men were inspired agents of God; His Mouthpiece on earth in their times before the next prophet [as]. Muhammad [as] was the last of them.

@Frosbel: Quran is where you have verse/verses. Not in hadith which we categorize by its concept/book, number.

So let me talk about the verses you quoted first. There are hadith on the verses and what you listed as hadith below may or not be hadith relevant to them, and may actually be weak hadith. I will demonstrate a known hadith that has now been classified as weak based on many or a single qualifier.

[Quote]Those who turn their back on Islam are to be executed. This is confirmed by the words and deeds of Muhammad. The only freedom of belief in Islam is the freedom to become Muslim.

The Qur'an:

Qur'an (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith,[/Quote]Who are this "they" but people of Makka who are Pagans, since Surah Nisaa is a Makkan Surah?


[QUote] as they do,[/Quote]WHo are these people except the kufar of Makka?


[QUote] and thus be on the same footing (as they):[/Quote]To be disbelievers like them. Is that what a prophet of God aspires to be? Do you want to be a disbeliever, frosbel, though you are not a prophet?


[Quote] But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden).[/Quote]The Bible even say the christian should not take non christian as friends, in the do not be yoked with unbelievers.


[Quote] But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them"[/Quote]How do people turn renegades, except they are after your very life, your happiness, making life difficult for you, stopping you from what God has provided for you of human instinctive good values? If a man wants to kill you, will you let him have his way without a fight and if in the process he dies you will not be better for it? If this is not your position, I pity your miserable soul. Your family will be in a peril and you will not be able to stand to protect them or die trying.


[Quote]Qur'an (9:11-12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion.[/Quote]Is a non christian a brethren of Christian in religion, except that he becomes a christian? Every society collects taxes. Religious community collects taxes based on religion.


[Quote] We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge.[/Quote] knowledge is what makes a person abandon disbelief and enter Islam.


[Quote] And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) [/b]and [b]assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist." [/Quote]Do you truly have any disagreement with this? Imagine if Islam is America. Could she not be justified as we all justified america against al qaidah? Don't you have any wisdom or satan take all that God has given you?


[Quote]Other verses that seem to support the many Hadith demanding death for apostates are Qur'an verses 2:217, 9:73-74, 88:21, 5:54, and 9:66.[/Quote]Present the verses so that we can talk about them. Lets even accept that the two above was against the people of Madina. Islam is justified by the fact that they broke their oath and they assailed Islam.

[Quote] Re: Questions For Muslims: For Those Who Want To Know
« #239 on: January 31, 2012, 05:11 AM »

Quote from: tbaba12345 on January 31, 2012, 04:48 AM
But this great brotherhood of Islam is not something simply theoretical. It is, in fact, well defined and supported by practical guidance. It has certain basic components to it and specific rights and obligations that are spelled out in the Quran and Sunnah. These rights and obligations are due to every Muslim, of every time and place.

Do you also educate people that this "great brotherhood" dictates death to those who dare quit by sunset like those poor jews? Like logicminded said, your type is far more insiduous than the comedic nuisance that lagosShia is. you paint a mythical picture of islam as this oh so wonderful religion that is no different from the average fundamentalist christian.[/Quote]The second bold apart from the mythical qualification of it, is the way how my father presented Islam to us, even those of us his children from Christian mother. We accepted it in spite of living with our mother, without spending so much nights in the same home as our Muslim father. This is the way I have presented the religion to my mother who is now a muslim, Alhamdulillah.


[QUote] Unfortunately we have many who have been blinded by the white-washed version of islam presented by muslims in the west . . . many of whom could pass as your average atheist.[/Quote]In America? From the hardcore black community? Are you for real, david dylan or are your david Koresh in spirit? You must be, because your lies are at the top rivaling that of your father satan paul the liar and killer of old. Tell me whats good about Christianity and I will give you better from Islam. And not every jew is an enemy of Allah. But every kufar is.

^^^ I want the wonder to appear to this man [me] who is older than 44 and let me dealt defeat on the fake wonder InshaAllah. i trust in Allah, always and i will defeat your shaytan. Amin.

@Tomzman; « #176 on: Yesterday at 10:26:59 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: ivoice247 on February 02, 2012, 02:40 PM
Really! after reading all my posts, you still aren't convinced. That's to be expected as many people before you too didn't believe in the quran has stated (Q7v132):-

They said: "Whatever Ayat (proofs, evidence, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) you may bring to us, to work therewith your sorcery on us, we shall never believe in you."
This still doesnt answer any of my questions.Ok here is my post again[/Quote]It can't answer your questions if you continue to pass 3 God persons as 1 God Almighty the Lord Who sent Jesus His creation to Israelite as He had sent many to many nations before and then the last after Jesus to all nations. You ignore Jesus, worse you ignore Ellah of Jesus and satan will take over such a heart. This is your condition.


[Quote]Quote from: ivoice247 on January 30, 2012, 06:06 PM
Yes, all those bibles are fake. Neither jesus(as), paul nor any of the disciples spoke english, so how can you rely on the english version. That's why the bible has plenty contradictions and errors.[/color

You have still not proven your point.I need straight-forward and convincing proof that my Bible is fake or at least where I can get the 'untampered with' Bible from or do you also want to tow the line of LagosShia?.
If you keep engaging in cyclical statements with no proof, you will be ignored.[/QUote]If I come in with a suitcase full of Bibles; those of protestants, ethiopian orthodox, egyptian orthodox, greek orthodox, russian orthodox and many more, you will not be able to pick out an original Bible for us. If i make it easy for you and just come in with suitcases full of only Protestant Bibles, you will still not be able to pick up original Bible to show a muslim like myself for the very fact that apart from the non original language of it all, you have many editions, versions, and revisions that you and I know that you will be lost in the maze of dishonesty if you dare to pick any, rendering the rest fake in front of christians and all mankind.

We do not have this in the case of Quran. Quran is in original arabic recitation and word, since it is an oral [audio] revelation. No one on earth will say a QUran accented recitation is incorrect. Shia and Sunni agree the Quran is same. No Ali, no Fatima QUran because Ali and Fatima disagree if the QUran is not the same and the Shia will be using a different Quran, now. So QUran is authenticated while you will disprove the Bibles yourself.

The uncorrupted bible, there is no such animal, because the Bible is not a revelation, has in it corrupted books of revelation; Taurah of Moses, Sabur of David and Injil of Jesus. Even the Bible proves itself corrupted. Check out Jeremiah telling you that OT is corrupted by the pen of the scribes. Check out the disagreements of the so event of the sunday morning at the cave of where Jesus body was laid. Check out acts of apostles and all the books after it; if Jesus was the end of the line, why all these books, unless Paul was the another comforter promised?


[Quote]Quote from: ivoice247 on January 30, 2012, 06:06 PM
[color=#990000]Yes, there's only one verse (verse 17) that's clear and unambiguous. Just follow the commandments in totality just like when jesus(as) said; "follow me" ; we then follow him in totality. The commandments are listed in the bk of deut 5:1-21

Sorry, I am not blind.The passage contains 14 verses and those verses are VERY clear to anyone who can read between the lines.[/Quote]There will be nothing between the lines. Just read the lines.


[Quote]Were you not the one who said earlier on that Jesus did not say follow six or ten of the commandments and that he only said follow the commandments and[b] now you are directing me to the ten commandments given to Moses[/b].Can you now see you are confused?[/Quote]Didn't Jesus lived the 10 Commandments of Moses and told you that you must not abolish or encourage anyone to abolish them? Have you taken the instructions of Jesus to heart? Check yourself before you wreck yourself!


[Quote]If obeying those commandments in Deut 5:1-21 alone can guarantee anyone eternal life, then why are you a muslim? Why not abandon islam and begin to obey those commandments instead of stressing yourself falling down to pray five times a day and going to the mosque every friday or what else can islam offer you that is more important than eternal life? or do you want to tell me that islam is all about obeying the commandments in Deut 5:1-21?[/Quote]Tell me which one of the 10 commandment Islam abolished. We are muslims because we are following the Another Comforter in explanations of the belief and deeds required to fulfill the 10 Commandments given to prophet Moses [as]. Jesus obeyed them, so did Muhammad [as] whose legacy we are on to God Almighty.


[Quote]Quote from: ivoice247 on January 30, 2012, 06:06 PM
[color=#990000]Pls stick to the topic and stop being petty; 1Understanding a bit of arabic still means u understand arabic2If the translation is wrong, the meaning is wrong. The difference between "jesus is servant of God" and "jesus is son of God" is not in the depth of meaning but solely in the translation.Really! then how 3 does the yoruba mechanic identify the parts of a car if he doesn't understand english? All mechanics in nigeria know the parts of a car in english and not in their local language. Or do you know the names of these parts like radiator, carburator, tyre, battery, fan belt etc in yoruba, hausa or igbo language? of course NOT! of course the mechanic doesn't need to see the manual since he would have been taught by his master who would have read the manual and then passed the knowledge down to him.4 Just like many muslims or christians don't need to read the quran/bible to understand islam/christianity since their Imams/pastors would teach them

Follow the order of bolding.

1) My mechanic knows those parts of a car in english but he cannot make a complete sentence in english.Can we then say that my mechanic understands english language?

2) You still don't get the issue.Let me give you an example.A baby doesn't know what a spoon means but he knows it is used for eating.That is why you would see a baby playfully put a spoon in his mouth even when there is no food in the spoon.Can he pronounce the word? Does he even know whether it is an English or arabic word?.That is what I mean when I say it is not the actual translation of some words that matter but the message or in depth meaning.

3) I agree those parts cannot be translated into Yoruba.You keep on emphasizing english,but are all cars made in English speaking countries? What about the ones made in Japan or Germany, does the mechanic need to learn Japanese or German to be able to repair those cars?.You see that is the problem.The quran was 'revealed' in arabic so everyone is compelled to understand arabic so as to truly understand it which is not meant to be.Do you now get my point?[/Quote]Let me help you to understand Quran in arabic by starting with your spoon with baby. The baby may not know how to pronounce spoon yet, but he already identifies it with food time. When he sees it coming with some amount of food in it, he opens his mouth by instinct and experience. This is similar to the dog and the ringing of bell at food time [in pavlov experiment], or a bum on the street corner expecting you to give him a quarter as you have been doing for the past 6 months. Instinctive obedience is sincerity to God. So the Quran in Arabic is similar to the spoon with the baby, whereas fork and knife are for eating, too, but they will hurt the child. The Bibles are like fork or even knife when spoon is the only answer, which is Quran.
Reading the Quran in arabic is what Allah commanded. Understanding in your language is up to you and it is permissible because Allah knows all. In salah we male personal prayers in the language that we know best. I make mine in words in english often mixed with yoruba and arabic, in salah.


[Quote]4) You are wrong again.A good christian doesn't just depend on what he is taught by his Pastor, he also needs to read the Bible on his own to understand it and thus christianity just like a good student doesn't depend on what he is told by his teachers alone.[/Quote]This is the only place I agree with you and disagree with my muslim brother. Learn how to read Quran.


[Quote]Now answer the questions![/Quote]I already answered for him. Look up. Or you have other questions?

Hadith about Mercy and Forgiveness which is salvation without killing anyone;

HOW TO ERASE YOUR PAST SINS AFTER
EATING ♥♥

Mu`adh bin Anas (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: Messenger of Allah (Peace Be Upon Him) said, "He who has taken food and says at the end (of eating): `Al-hamdulillahi-lladhi at`amanihadha, wa razaqanihi min haulin minni wa la quwwatin (All praise is due to Allah Who has given me food to eat and provided it without any endeavour on my part or any power),' all his past sins will be forgiven.''

[At-Tirmidhi].

Riyad-us -saliheen 735.

@Judek2: I see that you fell of the track. Come on up. I will fill your hungry spirituality up with hadith of easy ways to receive favor of God instead of getting anyone killed for you;

HOW TO ERASE YOUR PAST SINS AFTER
EATING ♥♥

Mu`adh bin Anas (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: Messenger of Allah (Peace Be Upon Him) said, "He who has taken food and says at the end (of eating): `Al-hamdulillahi-lladhi at`amani hadha, wa razaqanihi min ghairi haulin minni wa la quwwatin (All praise is due to Allah Who has
given me food to eat and provided it without any endeavour on my part or any power),' all his past sins will be forgiven.''

[At-Tirmidhi].

Riyad-us -saliheen 735.

@Frosbel: « #14 on: Today at 12:47:44 AM »
[Quote]"There are six things the Lord hates,
seven that are detestable to him:[/Quote]He hates 6 and He detests 7. What's the difference between hate and detest? I didn't say love and hate.


[Quote]haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,[/Quote]Paul. How did you survive this to be able to write the a good portion of the NT?


[Quote]hands that shed innocent blood,
a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,
a false witness who pours out lies[/Quote]We shall ask Paul about a few of these and whole christendom, nations and all of them.


[Quote]and a person who stirs up conflict in the community." - Proverbs 6:16-19[/Quote]This grade of people Muhammad [as] the judge under Order given him by his Lord God Almighty, ordered to be killed. And you people are complaining that he killed them when it is in your Bible?