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^And you have not touched on the God the Holy Ghost.
@Frosbel; You see Yanga? Yanga no get weight at all. Not only Muslims, but others including Christians have problems with your 3 Gods. Think mehn.

@Frosbel: What Jesus didn't say in the red letter, somebody is making them come to life in Corinthians.
Is this Corinthians author not the Another Comforter because he is guiding the disciples to all truth? lol.

You are a special case, buddy.

InesQor: « #57 on: Today at 09:02:20 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Enigma on Yesterday at 10:33:55 AM
Grin Grin Grin


How can Jesus be "God" and The Father be "God" ------- at the same time?  Huh

Cool

Consubstantiality. They are of the same unique essence / substance, that essence is God.

As I asked, what color do you get when you mix white + white + white? You get white.
Cool[/Quote]Something to think about; When you mix white + white + white, you will get 3 volumes of the white. See?
If 1 CAN of White is Enough, what is the use of the second and the third cans you get to mix with the ! CAN that is initially sufficient to do the JOB?

@Davidylan: « #20 on: Today at 03:10:15 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: IbroSaunks on February 14, 2012, 10:13 PM
it's majorly because they cannot open their minds. instead the only way they learn about Islam is from websites that paint the wrong picture. may Allah guide them.

pls dont curse me. May allah NEVER guide me.[/Quote]Normally, when someone in Islam supplicates, he or she says Amin at the end of it. Or someone will say Amin after if he/she didnt. We are not mean people when it comes to determining the end of a soul. We will not say Amin to your supplication. If you know that Allah is not the One that will decide your end, then say Amin or Amen to your prayer in bold. I know you are not that stupid to seal your own fate at about 29/31 tops. It is ignorance that has made yu made this prayers, because those who died outside Islam are in big trouble in their graves at Dawn and Very late afternoon on a daily basis receiving punishment and the fire of Hell is already turned on for them to see till they enter it. And the punishment in Hell, they will never be able to adjust to its difficulties. Your choice Davidylan. Lay your bed with thorns and blades and hazzards, if you want. Allah is not frustrated. You will see at the end and you will have no one to blame but your own self.



[Quote]@ OP, did the ignorant muslim man get to read Surah 19:71?[/Quote]Has the straw brained Davidylan ever bother to read from Verse 67 all the way to 71, he would have found out that unless he is not a human being, man without exception is addressed in these verses. From the specie of man, the evil doers will be humiliated and let the fire of hell catch them. The highest of all evil is not giving Allah His Right. When you say God has a son, you have refused to give God His Right for God is unlike any of His creation in purpose, etc. What is the use of a son, except to replace you in after you are no more, keeping on your legacy after one perishes? Nothing that happens to man will happen to God. When you say God is one of the 3; Father, son and Ghost, you have refused God His Rights. These are your problems among others that you know you have but too arrogant to correct.



[Quote]Perhaps he would know that allah sends all muslims to hell (besides martyrs) by an irrevocable decree.[/Quote]Around it is not in it. I am around the stadium does not mean I am inside the stadium. At least you acknowledge that the martyrs are not going to hell. Do part of Christians can be said the same thing about, because the Biblical Jesus has already condemned all of you, using the best of you to illustrate your doom; "The miracle workers for Jesus will be told by Jesus that he does not know them".  



[Quote]In other words . . . even hell is populated by muslims.[/Quote]And where you do think no muslims; Jews, Onishongo, Hindu, Christians, Sikhs, etc will end up; Islamic Paradise? Do you think at all?



[Quote] The men shld come to America, very few muslims here and we prefer it that way.[/Quote]Hello. I am a muslim. I live in America. And even in Rochester, there are many mosques. You need to take the advise of the Muslim couple and go to where there is least amount of muslims. But you have to say Amen to your prayer, at the top, first. This is if you are sure and Allah can let you taste you handwork even before you die. Allah is Capable of All things. Aayoju npa e. Somebody need to ship your behind to Gombe and let you smell some tatashe pepper in the hands of your best friends; the Christian Hausas.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ lol. I laugh in image123. Ridiculous.
Spirit knocking up human girl. Thats some weird stuff.

Its like lion knocking up a lamb. One of them must be in the stomach of the other.

@Frosbel; « #48 on: Yesterday at 04:04:44 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 03:55:37 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^ Ode nie frosbel. 2 sitting together is not 1. Shior on you for insulting the the Quality of many in my family who graduated from UI. How is 2 Gods sitting one on the left of the other, making the other being on the right of the first one equal to 1 God? Dundee United Dummy. Go back to primary one in umahia and then come back to UI for thorough education.

Let me leave you to keep worshipping your false god ALLAH and his three daughters, al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat Grin

This discussion is for those with spiritual insight and or interest, not Muhammadans !![/Quote]below is what Numo86 wrote about the Bible in response to you.

[Quote]Posted by: numo86
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Quote from: frosbel on Yesterday at 03:43:41 PM
Nope, I do not hold onto such.

Indeed Christ is sitting on the right hand of the Father as we speak, and God's spirit is working on earth convicting mankind of sin, righetosness and judgement while building his church.

So I am not a Modalist Grin

This is a mystery, let us leave it at that.

philosophers made it the mysteryit is today, all the apostles knew who Jesus was, all the apostles were jews and so they knew who was God almighty, they werent confused,

na we dey confuse ourselves today, like i told you,where ever the philosophies of men go to confusion arises, apostle paul & peter warned about all of it,

1 thing i'm sure of is we are not holding the most original manuscript the apostles penned down, the bible has been tampered with so much.

but if we have to be sure of anything,it should be that Yahweh is the only true God, and that he is greater than Jesus, there is no other truth as clear as that,

thank you, where do u reside?state?[/Quote]If you think that you can bring the Quran down so that it is like the corrupted Bible, you must be kidding all the muslims.

so emofine, when are you going to revert? Or should i have to propose before you come to Islam?

Listen, any which way God soften a heart is good for me.
The man above must have some good in his heart for him to realize a good woman when he saw her.
He knew the woman will not walk into what he had. So he came what is light from darkness. I want you to do the same. Voluntarily.

A person who will end up in Paradise will do so even if he/she is just an arm length away from hell. He/she will do things of paradise as last deeds.


The reverse is for the person heading to hell, even if he is outwardly doing things of paradise. He/she will do things of hell as his/her last set of deeds. He/she will leave light and enter into darkness.

^^^^^ Tiarabubu Europe, rather is at the height of her civilization at the present, conquering lands and space. I remember former President Clinton talking about Russia. That if Russia ever try to bomb America, America will bomb Russia to a rubble. I believe it because America will kill her to the point that she will almost become dead. I do not want to say "death" because that will be almost exaggeration.

In all of her height of civilization, considering that they say this is the american millennium, to the muslims, by and large she does not have God, which is the greatest possession to have.

Now using this above to understand what deols said, Arabs, indeed Makka being the center of her civilization because of the Kaaba, poetry [in command of language in such an imaginative manner] which they have greater than anyone, the language of and speech in Quran surpasses the Arabic language.

All the poet who pride themselves as the best; claiming that when they are reciting their poetry, dead wakes up, deaf regains hearing, blind regains sight, dumb regains speech just to witness their poetry performances and return to their former states after it. None of these great "poets" can correct what came to Muhammad [as] but declared it much superior to what came from their mouth.

It was Quran that made the Arabs higher than their highest high at the height of their civilization before Islam; The have God the Author of the Best Culture; Islam.

Mystery my pinky toe. I should have given you the bird but i am too decent or rather ashamed to.
Insulting our thinking has consequences you know. Liar.

@Deep sight; You accept 2 sitting to be just 1? Me. I dont because I can count. 2 is more than 1 by a whole 1!

^^^^^^^^^^^ Ode nie frosbel. 2 sitting together is not 1. Shior on you for insulting the the Quality of many in my family who graduated from UI. How is 2 Gods sitting one on the left of the other, making the other being on the right of the first one equal to 1 God? Dundee United Dummy. Go back to primary one in umahia and then come back to UI for thorough education.

My love for anyone is fr the pleasure of Allah. My dislike of the quality of any including mine is for the pleasure of Allah.
What will make a person hate those who Allah says He Loves and they Love him, always?
What happens here?

I am a married man. I will not let anyone, I mean anyone criticize my wife. That person, especially when he is under my authority, will hear plenty.
I will always take the side of my wife. Always, I mean because she knows my secret more than my mother, my children and my siblings.

I do not believe that Muhammad [as] will be happy that someone here on earth is railing insults, forget the abuses and curses on his wives. No one has that right, including the highest man on earth today; Put any name you want. They are all under the heavens of Allah and they are nothing but just a singular soul on His earth.

We need to be very careful and don't be ignorant. I will not permit anyone to insult my wife and that include those who are older than me in my family.

^^^^
[Quote]« #14 on: Today at 12:28:54 PM »

@Sweetnecta.
Thats a very poor response to my question. You've made no attempt to answer it.

And says man, `What! when I am dead, shall I be brought forth alive?'

Does not man remember that WE created him before, when he was nothing?

And, by thy Lord, WE shall assuredly gather them together, and the satans too; then shall WE bring them on their knees around Hell.

Then shall WE certainly pick out, from every group, those of them who were most stubborn in rebellion against the Gracious God. And surely, WE know best those deserving to be burnt therein.

And there is not one of YOU but will come to it.
This is an absolute decree of thy Lord. S. 19:66-71 Sher Ali

The text would therefore be understood to mean that:

1. The pagan [/b]Arabs in their entirety at some point doubted the resurrection.

2. Some of them chose to overcome such doubts and believe that God has the ability to raise the dead back to life.

3. Others chose to remain in disbelief.

[b]4. Allah sends all men, both believers and unbelievers, into hell (including satans).

5. Once there, Allah will then separate the believers from the unbelievers by taking out the former and leaving in the latter to hobble there.

I didnt doubt that its all mankind, as your Koran says.[/Quote]The verses if frozen only to the time if revelation it said man, including arabs and non arabs, believers and non believers because the reality is that there was a time Adam the first man was never was. Later he was created and from him Eve and all his children, including you Judek2 and Jesus son of Mary, son of Joseph, son of David. Allah has promised all that they will be brought them AROUND hell, not into hell at the time they will be on their knees, humiliated and or humbled. I am already humbled so that Allah does not humiliate me. Then those worthy of being meant for hell to consume as fuel along with stone will now be allowed to be in the within the stomach/mist, in the boundary of the fire of hell. Is that what you want for yourself, seeing that Allah promised that even Jesus and all will be on their knees, humbled and or humiliated?
If we extend the verses to cover all times and use our present time as the example to illustrate the post revelation time, we see even on Nairaland many who denied God. The atheists do and people like you make him to human so that you can share His Absolute Rights with others; Jesus and Holy Ghost. It is your lies against God, against His Angel[s], against His Messengers and prophets, your desire to formulate evil that will make you humiliated if do you die in disbelief. Since we are now talking about our time, presently, you see how true the verses are. Either way, if you are nt following Muhammad [as] in the Islam that is completed upon him, you are just like the pagans, the unbelievers.



[Quote]But what of the martyrs of Islam, those who died in Jihad who were promised direct pass to Heaven. Aren't they gonna be among all mankind which would be gathered in taste of hell too?[/Quote]Martyrs are lower than Messengers and Prophets [as]. Martyrs do not have to die in battles. Some died on their bed, in their sleep, in Mosque, etc, on the path of struggle against evil for the pleasure of God. they are promised Paradise, while heaven has hell fire, too.



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whats this infant saying? Learn how to crawl so that you can move about. My permission is from God Almighty Alone. No boss man. I dont roll like that.

Your boss is your god, and the almighty is your God.[/uote]My Ultimate Boss is Allah The Almighty Creator. My human bosses are many; The best and beloved to me of them is Muhammad [as] who brought me the Absolute Message of my LORD.



[Quote]Its like he tied you down so much, so a permission from him to release you for a while is not robbery.
Remember, "Ye are gods" Grin[/Quote]This bold leads to hellfire, too. Are you getting anything from this conversation or your heart is dead, completely? And we will have yur kind as the president of Nigeria in the future; a bleak future it is, calling 3 1 or making 1 3, in either case skipping 2![/quote]

@Frosbel: « #19 on: Today at 09:44:59 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 08:09:40 PM
@Frosbel: « #15 on: Today at 07:43:03 PM »You will calculate 3 from your computer, or are 3 pizza pies still 1 pizza pie?

1]. Is Jesus God? Yes on no?

2]. Is Holy Spirit God? Another yes or no?

3]. Is Jehovah God? Yet another yes or no?


How many Gods and how many yes[es] and nos in the 3 questions?

Is there anyone of them that is not God?


I want your conscience to worry you to death.

Still [/b]at your usual rambling, aye Grin[/Quote]Opposite people. It is eya. How quickly you forget like the need to be immediately corrected disciples. Remember the pentecost? I knew you will never put yourself through speaking the truth. You saw 3 gods staring you down, you blinked and ran away.


[Quote]God is ONE[/Quote]In the Bibles of the Christians. You have God the Father which is Jehovah.
God the son which is Jesus.
God the Holy Spirit which is nameless.


[Quote] and my conscience is as [b]relaxed as 'ice water' Cheesy[/Quote]Relaxed ice water? Wow. Thats strange because after hair relaxer, woman hair is relaxed. How is your "ice water" relaxed now? Please dont give anybody heave water to drink, abeg.

PastorAIO is tormenting himself, defending his christian faith that chooses Jesus and others as their God. He is trying to compare it to Islam that truly prostrates to The One Who says "I am your Lord and there is no other" and commands prostration as part of worship. Please AIO go and play with C[b]a[/b]s[b]io[/b] or listen to R[b]a[/b]d[b]io[/b]

@Pastor AIO: « #17 on: Today at 05:40:54 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 11:29:47 PM
@PAstor AIO; « on: June 19, 2008, 10:49 AM »Allah never addressed Iblis directly, but Angel He addressed. Iblis, a jinn not an angel happened to be in the crowd of Angels when Allah addressed them. Therefore, Iblis was inclusive in the thing that Allah commanded the Angels to do. If you notice, all the Angels prostrated in obedience to the Command of Allah. You need to go to Surah Araf to see the arrogance of Iblis. Then you need to go to verse 54 or so of Surah Kahf [The Cave] to see what being Iblis is.

LOL!! My brother, If I invite guests to dinner in my house and when I invite the guests to sit down at the table and you just happen to be amongst them, you'll be making a big mistake to think that I was addressing you.[/Quote]If you are a teacher and you command all the male students to be quite while eating. The lone female student began to be loud. This is an example among mankind since teacher is an authority over students. An males are different from females, even though there is a tomboy female in the company of the boys. See?


[Quote]For instance, say you just happened to walk into my home on some other business and then you recognised one of my guests and you start chatting with him, and at the point I announce that everybody should come and sit down at the table. If you had any gumption or even the small modicum of commonsense you will at that point excuse yourself and depart. If you presume to come and sit down at the table simply because you were amongst the people being addressed you could well get the biggest shock of your life, especially when you consider the kind of mouth I have.[/Quote]Fortunately, you are a powerless soul to me, insignificant that i simply can ignore, even if were to be living in London. That is completely different from the situation of God and creations in heavens and on earth and in between. If you read the Quran, God says "if I kill Jesus and . . ." yet the christians take Jesus to be God. It tells you that the Real God has Control over things. Before the condition of Command to Prostrate to Adam [as] was made, God said "I know what you do not know" to the Angels. At the end of the day, it was the creation of Adam that brought about to light the evils that lurk in the inside of Iblis, who was renamed Shaytan the moment he became accursed.


[Quote]So saying that Iblis was amongst the angels when they were commanded is poor. All Iblis had to do was raise his hand and say, 'Allah, I'm sure you didn't mean me so if you don't mind, I'll be on my way'. [/Quote]Well, Allah did not inspire Shaytan to excuse himself because it was time that Allah exposed the evil of satan. PastorAIO, yo are wet behind your ears by your thinking. When the time comes, the time actually came because Allah has decreed it. Everything must happen as planned and satan continued on the issues of Adam and his progeny piled up wrong and wrong and wrong upon wrong. Have you ever seen a person who Angel of death is removing his soul and refused to yield it?


[Quote]Every command is issued with INTENT. The issue is simply. Did Allah intend to command Iblis, or was it by chance?[/Quote]The intent was to exposed the evil satan as evil, while he was pretending to be Ibis the good jinn. Did Allah intend to make Adam and Eve live on earth while He created them in heaven? Yes. At the end of the day they did things that warranted them to be sent out of Paradise to the earth. But they sort forgiveness while satan piled up sin upon sin.


[QUote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 12:00:03 AM
@PastorAio; that ^^^ prostration to Adam [as] was not worship. But the obedience to the Command of Allah for them to prostrate was. Hence every obedience to Commandment is proper and correct worship.

Okay o! So prostration is not worship. I'll remember that next time you try to elevate muslim worship by saying it is because they prostrate and that is what makes it superior to christian worship.[/Quote] Read it, again. That prostration to Adam, like the prostration of Jacob and his family to Joseph in not worship.

@Frosbel: « #15 on: Today at 07:43:03 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Pastor Kun on Yesterday at 07:01:12 PM
Whilst I believe in God the father almighty, Jesus christ his son and the holy spirit their representative, I have never and would never subscribe to the unbiblical concept of trinity which suggests the three make up one God or they are co-equal.

God is 1 not 3. We are in agreement.[/Quote]You will calculate 3 from your computer, or are 3 pizza pies still 1 pizza pie?



[Quote]However you are wrong when you use the word coequal , because what is 1 cannot be 3 and therefore has nothing to relate to in terms of equality.[/Quote]
1]. Is Jesus God? Yes on no?

2]. Is Holy Spirit God? Another yes or no?

3]. Is Jehovah God? Yet another yes or no?


How many Gods and how many yes[es] and nos in the 3 questions?

Is there anyone of them that is not God?


I want your conscience to worry you to death.

@Joagbaje: I listened to the woman and the few arabic words she uttered. I do not want to say that she was wrong in pronunciation. I will let others say that. What she said can be picked up in the community of Yorubas, anywhere in Yoruba land. We know non muslims who can recite Surah Fatiha, so say walaihi summa bIllahi aliazim is not a sign of being Muslim.

Let us assume she was a muslim. There is no medical proof that she is healed, already. More importantly, it is her lack of faith that will drag her to such a gathering. After all there are Christians who are sick, still. Even prophet Job was sick. Is sickness enough reason to switch religion? How many babalawo have healed non muslims? Healing is not enough for a wise person to leave a religion, finding One God that must be obeyed is the only reason. We do know that the concept that a God dies is enough to abandon him. After all that should have been a healing so as no death occurs.

@Joagbaje: « #9 on: Yesterday at 03:00:29 PM »
[Quote]If the woman says she's a Muslim ,we should believe it .[/Quote]If she is an african, she will not wear a white sweat like pants, white shirt and a blazer. At that age no african woman is wearing white man's clothing. If she is from the western nations, she will be okay at that age to not want Jesus who couldn't help himself healed her. if she were much younger I would have said, maybe.


[Quote] Why will she lie, after all we all heard her speaking some Islamic thing in her mouth.[/Quote]Lying for Jesus is the best why and there are a lot of non muslims who speak Islamic things to confuse event the believers.


[Quote] Besides this is not the first time Muslims have been healed in a christian meeting.[/Quote]No old woman muslim with all grey hairs will wear a jacket over white shirt, flying the collar over it over a white slacks will go to a christian meeting to get healed. My old former christian mother will not do it. No black american woman at that age who is a muslim will be thanking powerless Jesus for converting her. She has already accepted her fate the moment she reverted to Islam and she knows getting sick comes with the territory of getting old.


[Quote] They eventually embrace the the truth through the healing.[/Quote]Joe, I am not a village man, you know.What is truth other than what Jesus said about himself that Quran validated as truth about him? Here is what Jesus said and you should argue it out with him; Of my own power I can do nothing.

We have many ex Muslims like that.

@Fr0sbel: « #35 on: February 09, 2012, 09:45 PM »
[Quote]The most popular "prophecy" about Muhammad is found in Deuteronomy 18.[/Quote]The most popular is found in the Gospels; The Coming of the Promised Another Comforter. Look at the duties and functions and descriptions of the Another Comforter.


[Quote] It is quite ironic, then, to learn that, according to Deuteronomy 18, Muhammad can’t possibly be a prophet. As we will see, this puts Muslims in an awkward position, and helps show the lengths to which they will go in their efforts to defend their prophet.[/Quote]If this is the only one, then it kicks Jesus out of it, too and christianity is also in awkward position. Thank God that from the mouth of Biblical Jesus we see an Another Comforter and from the lips of John, that there were after him a christ and then the that prophet after that. If saying one thing wrong or incorrect is enough to
proof a person is false about what he claimed, we must say that Jesus was false by saying John is Elijah or John was wrong about himself. What is a greater proof against Jesus will have to be his saying that John is the greatest prophet born of woman in the light of John denying that he was Elijah. Yet we have many more against Jesus which I will use in due course.


[Quote]The purpose of this essay is to prove, based on Muslim claims (including their appeal to Deuteronomy 18), that Muhammad was a false prophet. I will begin by presenting two arguments against the prophethood of Muhammad, and I will follow this by carefully defending the arguments. Once I have shown that the arguments are sound, I will briefly discuss the options available to Muslims who want to reject the obvious conclusion.

THE DEUTERONOMY DEDUCTIONS

There are two elements to look for when examining deductive arguments: valid logic and true premises. To say that a deductive argument is valid is to say that, due to the logical form, true premises will always lead to a true conclusion. The most basic argument form is the syllogism, and the most basic valid form of the syllogism is Modus Ponens. The logical form of the following arguments is Modus Ponens; thus, they are logically valid:[?Quote]I will use this against the Biblical Jesus and John and we shall see that either the Bible writers are wrong or we really do not know for sure what Jesus really did.


[Quote]Argument A—false gods and false prophets

A1. If a person speaks in the names of false gods, that person is a false prophet.
A2. Muhammad spoke in the names of false gods.
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A3. Therefore, Muhammad was a false prophet.[/Quote]Since you couldnt prove that The God of Muhammad [as] is false, your argument falls flat. But check this out, a prophet that speaks about an event and it does not happen, then has spoken presumptuously. He is a false prophet you shall not fear him. Jesus said he will return before all the 12 disciples died. He has not returned and no disciple is alive. Fr0sbel, tell me if this is not false prophet.


[Quote]Argument B—false revelations and false prophets

B1. If a person delivers a revelation that doesn’t come from God, that person is a false prophet.
B2. Muhammad delivered a revelation that didn’t come from God.
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B3. Therefore, Muhammad was a false prophet.[/Quote]Making a statement without a proof, is not an acceptable process to have a final conclusion. Your hypothesis falls flat on its weight. The revelation that is inconsistent is false. You can not have God that is 1 before and then the same God is 3 later and accept him as God or what he gives is true revelation. Jesus and Moses disagreed. Adam all the way to Muhammad agreed with Muhammad [as] that God is 1. Even Jesus said he has his Lord Who is 1 God. So anywhere there is any God concept that says there is more than 1 entity that is God, that concept is false. Anyone who preaches it is false because he has preached false revelation from a false God and he is a false prophet. Trinity is false because it preaches not The God Who is Complete and Unseen and does not die at anytime, since Jesus is one of the Gods and he was seen and he died, according to the beliefs of the christians.


[Quote]Since the logic of both arguments is valid, true premises will always lead to a true conclusion. Hence, if the premises of these arguments are true, Muhammad was a false prophet. Let us turn, then, to a careful discussion of our premises.[/Quote]how is an argument just because you proposed it and cant support it with any irrefutable material? Have you no shame, fr0sbel? I thought your education and your job are supposed to open up your mind? Wow. here is your problem; 1 God in OT without real children. In NT 3 Gods; 1 is father, the other is son that's partly man from a woman's womb, and the last is a ghost mounting young virgin he doesnt see fit to marry. The whole idea is immoral. Is this what God is unless false God and false revelation and false prophet are in play?


Read The Rest Here[/Quote]whats there to read except filth and lies you cant even proof? Fr0sbel, if you write a fortran program by just giving a conclusion without a process, can you solve a problem by it? Thats what you just did. We know that your God is false when he was 1 before he became 3, or it is definitely you and you and you and you who are false.

^^^That verse speaks about you, unless you are not from the man specie.
starts from here verse 67: Does man not remember that We created him before, while he was nothing?
then walk your way to 71 and see where you belong.
are you man or beast?

I dont know why every freakin person is calling Olabowale. Is every muslim a cookie cutter of one another?
I dont you sir, so find Olabowale to say your long time.

@InesQor; Good math man. I hope you are not doing anybody's tax. He will need to answer to the tax man because your 1 + 1 + 1 = 1 since God + God + God = God in your book instead of 3 Gods or Gods.

I see your Brother Enigma is trying his own gimmick, too, above.

@Frosbel: « on: Yesterday at 06:49:49 PM »
[Quote]There have been accusations that Christians worship 3 gods, however after careful study we find out that this accusation is unfounded.[/Quote]I wanna read how you come about your new math to point away from 3 gods. I say your thinking is unfounded. You are accusing reason and intelligence.


[Quote]For indeed God is ONE.[/Quote]We read what you said. But are you sincere or you are just throwing up smokes?


[Quote]I want this thread to be used as a place for discussion about the nature of God as is clearly defined in the bible, since the word Trinity is never used once in the Bible, but by implication we confirm that indeed God is recognised as Holy Spirit , Son and Father.[/Quote]By implication do you really have 1 God here since a whole is always a whole and many wholes are not just a whole? How is it possible that 1 God is recognized full as a full 1 God  when we talk about Holy Spirit, then Son is a full 1 God at the same time and Father is also a full 1 God, all existing at the same time? DO you still have 1 God or you really have 3 of 1 full God, to really mean 3 full Gods? Please respond to me, because I am on my way to your village in arochukwu to get me 1 assistant in 3 streets and say to the people by implication i only have 1 assistant from the village so I only pay a full salary for 1 assistant.


[Quote]Not one of us will dare question the above fact.[/Quote]I do. Unless you will allow me to take 3 computers away from your store and pay you for just 1 computer?


[Quote]However , I read a book called If the Bible Taught the Trinity, I'd Believe It by Michael Holcomb , only a few pages, and he clearly explained why God is 1 and not 3 persons.[/Quote]If your boss were to read this silly argument you are presenting here for 1 God instead of the 3 Gods we know the christians to be saying about 1 full God Jesus, another full God the Holy Spirit and another full God Jehovah, he should relieve you of your employment. People like you will not survive in m establishment because I will simply deem you a fraud frosbel.


[Quote]At the end, I came to agree and believe in God the Father, Son and Holy Ghost not as 3 distinct persons but 1 GOD.[/Quote]Is God the father not a full God and independent of all? That's 1 complete God if He is.
Then is God the son not a full God and independent of all? That's 1 another complete God if He is.
Then is God the Holt Spirit not a full God and independent of all? That's 1 yet another complete God if He is.
How many 1 complete God do we have above, Frosbel? Even your children will say 1, 2, 3 complete Gods.


[Quote]This is not a conclusive matter, I sincerely want some serious bible scholars to help talk about this and explain better to the benefit of all and sundry.[/Quote]People dont have to be so specialized to know that there is 3 Gods above; Jesus, Holy Spirit and Jehovah. If you say that just 1, then understand that one 1 person has responded to you; He is Pastor Kun, he is Enigma and she is diluminati. Its not 3 respondents, but 1 respondent.
You see how silly and naive you are? return home and give back the diploma they gave you by mistake because the VC was unnecessarily happy.


[Quote]Thank You.[/Quote]Thank God for you to have presented this opportunity.


[Quote][Col 1:26,27] Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations,[/Quote]Generation today is 20 years. Generations have to be multiples of 20 years. Let see how long Jesus was lifted up and Paul penned this. You will see that even Jesus was shown the mystery, too.


[Quote] but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:[/Quote]Jesus didnt know this about himself. It is Paul that it was revealed to. Either Paul was the another comforter that Jesus promised or Paul was the one who brought about the wrong that the another comforter must later corrected.

@PastorAio; that ^^^ prostration to Adam [as] was not worship. But the obedience to the Command of Allah for them to prostrate was. Hence every obedience to Commandment is proper and correct worship.

@PAstor AIO; « on: June 19, 2008, 10:49 AM »
[Quote]What is worship? I ask this because I am currently reading the Qu'ran and I read the passage where Allah tells Iblis to 'prostrate' to Adam. In the notes at the bottom of the page it said Prostration is not worship because only God is deserving of worship.[/Quote]Allah never addressed Iblis directly, but Angel He addressed. Iblis, a jinn not an angel happened to be in the crowd of Angels when Allah addressed them. Therefore, Iblis was inclusive in the thing that Allah commanded the Angels to do. If you notice, all the Angels prostrated in obedience to the Command of Allah. You need to go to Surah Araf to see the arrogance of Iblis. Then you need to go to verse 54 or so of Surah Kahf [The Cave] to see what being Iblis is.

Joagbaje and his pastors; I am a muslim. I have always been.
My boy Jihad in Brooklyn was sick with liver problems, taking dialysis that he did not fast in the last ramadhan.
Guess what; his liver came back to life in total amazement to the doctors in Crocklyn USA. A tree has truly grown in her.

Not to worry. The wife of brother Akbar went into coma in Queens [Elmhurst Hospital].
We were told about this and the whole people prayed in salah or outside it. 2 weeks or less she came out of it without any sign of her ever in any medical difficulty. Brother Jabir was saying that hw wishes to ask her what was her time like. I did discourage him to do so.

The old woman that you posted has nothing about her that will show that she was ever a muslim; especially an african muslim that old in pants and jacket and white shirt. If she is from the western country, it is a guaranteed that at that age she will accept her condition for the pleasure of God.

You christians need to grow spine and stop stooping so low thinking that we will not examine your presentation finding it to either a possibility or just pure lie.

@Judek2: « #23 on: Today at 01:42:16 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 09:01:23 PM
^ Good point where reasoning is applied is always flying over your head you son of satan.
Yahweh protected His Quality when the israelites built cow to represent Him. He didn't just kill one person.
He perished 2 generations. [2 generations equal 40 years].

i know He became 'of my own power i can do nothing', later on.

Allah Al Jabbar is neither vengeful nor unable of His Power to do anything.

When Yahweh wanted the Egyptians dead, He sent angels that "only knew" [lol] which houses by spilled blood not on the door posts. Such a dumb concept. He killed them none the less.

He now becoming the weak unable to do anything of his own grown man is the silliest concept, and an outlet for Atheism and Agnostic to abound from your christian rank. Get that into your hard heart. I know you cant even bleed blood but ice water running in your veins.

Allah supported Isa bin Maryam [as] and didnt allow him to be killed by your jewish masters, while Jehovah failed to prevent murder on His son after all the begging, crying, etc at Gethsemane.

You need decisive God go to Allah. You need gods and semi gods, seek everything else to your own peril.

In all your coarse write ups, we can only see Yahweh fighting for his people, destroying the enemies of his people, and not the people fighting for Yahweh.
They never fight in the cause of Yahweh,rather Yahweh fights for his own cause, and they only have to glorify him.

Jesus never ordered anyone to fight for him. He even told the women not to cry for him,but for themselves and their children.

No man fights for a living God.[/Quote]If Jesus was Yahweh thats some coward one you have there running to Egypt if you remember. And all the killing done in Jericho, was that done for baal or Yahweh Who commanded it? What about the laws of apostasy and adultery in the Book of Moses that Jesus like John and Zacharias had to live by? You seem to be writing without any thought behind it; I dont blame you it runs in the christin family.



[Quote][Matthew 26:53] Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?

[John 18:36] Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it
were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place."

Allah is weak and dead, SO, MUSLIMS MUST FIGHT FOR HIM,AND KILL ANYONE WHO BLASPHEMS AGAINST HIM.[/Quote]Show me anytime, anyone, anywhere Yahweh came and fight and killed anyone. Just one name. One person because when Yahweh fought Jacob, Jacob overcame Him and you. When Yahweh was intense on killing Moses, a woman hair, Moses wife uncovered her hair to stop the effort. So what are you saying here; you or your Bibles of all of you are lying?
Allah says in the Quran so that you can reflect, if you have ability to think about it; If I make Jesus and all mankind die, who can ask me why? Stop all the silly verses of my kingdom is not of this world, while you say he is the king in this world, especially when you are quoting Isiah and Psalm to justify your confusion. You have to make up your mind, mehn. Or you are just like your father Paul the liar who was a killer also from the beginning like satan.
What a family; killing his only for strangers who still dont recognize him; see atheists and agnostics, mostly former christians.

@Sunto; « #10 on: Today at 12:30:02 PM »
[Quote]Muhammad [b]die an eternal [/b]and no resurrection for him[/Quote]So were Adam and Eve the true handmade of Yahweh before He became I AM, Jehovah, El Shaddai. So were Enoch, Noah who Yahweh murdered almost all mankind under his watch. So were Abraham the friend of Yahweh, Lot who sodom and gomorrah were perished under his watch to include his wife. So were Isaac the over exposed son, Jacob who defeated Yahweh in a wrestling match to later say he overcame Yahweh and men all at the same time. So were Joseph who Israel and the children of Israel all prostrated their faces to in Egypt, so were all the first generation of children of Israel, then Moses who the Bibles say spoke to God face to face, Aaron his brother, the first priest. So were Joshua who pummeled the city of Jericho to nothing. So were Prophet Samuel, Saul the first king, David the killer of menacing Goliath, King Solomon the wise. Do you want me to continue until we cover Isiah, Ruth, Ester, Job, Jonah, Elijah, Elisha who the jews thought Jesus called to before he expired in the murder scene on the cross, whereas Jesus was saying Ellah, Ellah, instead [read your bibles. just maybe you can asked; if this people where so close and they heard Elias, can they not get it wrong that he collapsed to coma instead of believing he died, already? same place, 2 different events; what he yelled out and if he died or lapsed into temporary coma. So were Zacharias and the beheaded John who was the greatest prophet born of woman, Jesus the son of Mary said, and Mary the carrier of the womb that developed Jesus and the b.reasts that nursed him, the hands that cleaned him, including the feces that came out of him and the arms that carried him. You see, Muhammad [as] is in a good company of great souls. Souls that God loved in spite of anything Jesus did. Jesus didn't preach to the greatest prophet from the Jews. It is this prophet that officiated the coming of age of Jesus which you mislabeled as baptism. No single soul is beloved to his follower but you will find Muhammad [as] as number 1. Our prayers on him is a means of blessing upon ourselves, a sign of mercy as God said in Chapter 9 and in His Command in Chapter 33 of Quran.


@Judek2 (m): « #11 on: Today at 01:03:44 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 09:43:02 PM
I want to watch the two odes [drstan and martian] duke it out while their affiliates; judek2 is smiling like a freakin drunk domesticated hyena from the yankari games reserve.

Take it easy naw. . We are not fighting.
Maybe the days stress is getting hard on you. Grin Grin[/Quote]I'm alright, mehn. No stress at all. But the land of 3 wise men, when Solomon was the wisest? Are you for real, mehn?


[Quote]You can take permission some times. You need to rest, go chill out and smile as the days light fades away.
Remember tomorrow is Valentine Smiley Smiley[/Quote]whats this infant saying? Learn how to crawl so that you can move about. My permission is from God Almighty Alone. No boss man. I dont roll like that.


[Quote]Quote
Muhammad [as] will not go to hell, but was shown hell, to see the people in there; disbelievers, hypocrites, both men and women.

Muhammad [as] does not deal with magic so it is madness that is worrying te alien martian talking about magic carpet and female angels when there is no gender for the Angels of Allah.

Sick brainless tugs from Agege motor park.

My little question.
Since all Muslims must taste hell, there is no exemption.
What about your saints who will go directly to heaven,arn't they gonna taste hell too?[/Quote]Quran 19 verse 67 to 72; Tell me where Muslims are the only man instead of all mankind, in verse 67 so that you can understand verse 71. Or non muslims are not man, anymore but something other than man?
19:67: Does man not remember that We created him before, while he was nothing?
19:68: So by your Lord, We will surely gather them and the devils; then We will bring them to be present around Hell upon their knees.
19:69: Then We will surely extract from every sect those of them who were worst against the Most Merciful in insolence.
19:70: Then, surely it is We who are most knowing of those most worthy of burning therein.
19:71: And there is none of you except he will come to it. This is upon your Lord an inevitability decreed.
19:72: Then We will save those who feared Allah and leave the wrongdoers within it, on their knees.

its been 2012 years and they haven't gotten it right; is it just belief in human God Jesus and his murder along with the always living father and ghost and should we forget Melchizedek and no money and no work or just money more money more money?
this is different from what Islam is under Muhammad [as] 610 years fewer but it was belief and work for the pleasure of God Who is Allah.

stanley livingstone or livingston, whatever your white master's name is, you need to go back to mango park.

Islam is different from your antioch religion you you you. I cant say what i wanted to say in the public [Muhammad's [as] morality will not let me say it].

we do not have your religion and definitely you dont have our religion. your way is the crooked way, my way is the straight away way, Alhamdulillah.

I want to watch the two odes [drstan and martian] duke it out while their affiliates; judek2 is smiling like a freakin drunk domesticated hyena from the yankari games reserve.

Muhammad [as] will not go to hell, but was shown hell, to see the people in there; disbelievers, hypocrites, both men and women.

Muhammad [as] does not deal with magic so it is madness that is worrying te alien martian talking about magic carpet and female angels when there is no gender for the Angels of Allah.


Sick brainless tugs from Agege motor park.

^ Good point where reasoning is applied is always flying over your head you son of satan.
Yahweh protected His Quality when the israelites built cow to represent Him. He didn't just kill one person.
He perished 2 generations. [2 generations equal 40 years].

i know He became 'of my own power i can do nothing', later on.

Allah Al Jabbar is neither vengeful nor unable of His Power to do anything.

When Yahweh wanted the Egyptians dead, He sent angels that "only knew" [lol] which houses by spilled blood not on the door posts. Such a dumb concept. He killed them none the less.

He now becoming the weak unable to do anything of his own grown man is the silliest concept, and an outlet for Atheism and Agnostic to abound from your christian rank. Get that into your hard heart. I know you cant even bleed blood but ice water running in your veins.


Allah supported Isa bin Maryam [as] and didnt allow him to be killed by your jewish masters, while Jehovah failed to prevent murder on His son after all the begging, crying, etc at Gethsemane.

You need decisive God go to Allah. You need gods and semi gods, seek everything else to your own peril.

@Samstradam: « on: Yesterday at 03:45:21 PM »
[Quote]I am confused- and I want to make it crystal clear that this post is being put forward by me as a consequence of my confusion and the need for me to get some clarification. Again this is not an attack on anyone or his beliefs. Feel free to check my previous post history for form.

For as long as I can remember, when having religious discussions with my muslim friends, I've been told that the big difference between Christianity and Islam is that Christianity lost it's way by the corruption of the Bible and our worship of Christ and the trinity concept- which practically all muslims interpret as worshipping three gods. So my understanding is Islam believes there is no divine personality but God ( Allah ) and anything else is heresy. So my understanding is Prophet Mohammed is neither divine nor to be worshipped.
But then I stumbled on this case which has led to my current confusion - so I'm asking again is Prophet Mohammed divine or not - and if not how is this case currently going on justified according to Quoranic and note NOT Islamic teachings. As this is for the sake of education, answers from Muslims and theoretical experts preferred.[/Quote]Some people protect the image of their beloved. Some over protect. Yet others, like yourself dont care enough about their beloved to be annoyed when lies are told about them. I was alive when Murtala Muhammad died in Nigeria. Obasanjo and all the members of the Supreme Military Council almost strung up Fela Anikulapo for his "lies" against Murtala.

When a person is dead, his/her integrity must at least be preserved. He or she can't respond to allegations, so those who care enough about him/her will have to take the mantle.

The saudi citizen should know that Saudi Arabia is the land of Muhammad [as]. If there is a prophet of God that God truly gave a land it is Muhammad [as], because everyone will gladly rename Saudi Arabia, indeed the whole of Arabia the land of Muhammad.

It is the love for Muhammad [as] that almost all love to copy almost all that we know about him.

It is his example that I follow that will not allow me to hurt any soul.