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@ileobatojo: « #157 on: Today at 03:17:22 PM »
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please follow the same process and post any where Jesus said he is God.

John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.[/Quote]How does this stand up to the challenge?



[Quote]Aramaic bible translation
Yeshua said to them: “Timeless truth I speak to you: Before Abraham would exist, I AM THE LIVING GOD

End od discussion. Please close thread now. Thanks[/Quote]Considering that many [Adam, Eve, to just name a few of humans] existed before Abraham would exist, is the I Am not identified by Jesus himself saying "My Lord and your Lord is One God"? And by the time he needed to mention the Name of The One Lord God, he called Him "Ellah". He didn't call Him, I Am, Yahweh, etc, etc, etc or Jehovah. But Ellah. Now we are talking about Aramaic Bible; please tell me where Jesus said he is Ellah or if on the cross cried out to anyone but Ellah. It is this Name Ellah that the jews heard that they said he was calling Elias. No?

@Manmacho: « #16 on: Today at 05:33:32 PM »
[Quote]THE PROPHECY OF THIS PROPHET SHOULD NOT BE HARD TO FIND WHERE ARE THEY IN THE KORAN

NOTE BUT; PROPHECY SAYS SOMETHING OF GOD ABOUT THE FUTURE WHICH MUST COME TO PAST.

WHERE ARE THE PROPHESIES OF THE PROPHET TELLING US ABOUT WHAT IS COME COME THAT WE CAN POINT TO TODAY[/Quote]The christians claim that Jesus was prophesied by earlier prophets. If the truth lies in what we can see today, then the idea that Jesus was prophesied by previous prophets before him is not true, because we can see Jesus, today. Or where is Jesus walking down the street, today?

@manmacho: « #9 on: Today at 04:30:08 PM »
[Quote]i am not asking for a contest. i just want answers to what i have asked. please lets start from the answers then we can start talking.[/Quote]We are not competing with you and our answers can only go so far as to those we say they are prophets and you believe that they are prophets, too. if we all agree that John was a prophet, since Jesus said John was the greatest prophet from the children of Israel, you may have to show us his biblical prophesy and then we give you what Quran says about him. Then we have critical look at each.


[Quote]the biblical prophet does not include adam, joseph abraham. i just wonder why islam refer to them as prophet without having any prophesy attached to them.[/Quote]Let me take Joseph as an easy example and give you his prophesies; 1}. He said 11 stars and the moon and sun bowed to him. His father Jacob knew what he meant and Jacob prophesied in that very conversation that his brothers were his enemies. We read that his brothers lied to their father and at the end of the day got rid of Joseph, selling him to egypt, the very place he will have the fulfillment of his bowing down to him. His father knew that his sons were not since with him so he said patience is good. At long last Joseph prophesied to the two prisoners. And in turn later prophesied to the king and in turn his being a honored man people must bow to became a reality the only way his father [a prophet] even bowed to him, without worshiping him, fulfilling the dream with prophetic message. What is remaining today for us all as people from what makes up prophetic office is true dreams, while revelations in form of books, etc ended with Muhammad [as], the last of the prophets.


[Quote]i may be wrong[/Quote]The above contains many prophesies and all of them came to pass. Jesus prophesied about a comforter after him who God will speak to. Who will hear what God speaks. Then transfer that to man without Adding or deducing from it. He will not use his own words, but whatever he hears he shall speaks. He will correct the people. He will remind them of what Jesus said that is true. And he will correct people of any lies they tell about God, Angels, Prophets, including Jesus.  He will give the absolute information of guidance to people because Jesus didnt. He will glorify Jesus in proper and accurate measure. He will abide by man spiritually, what he brings from God will dwell in the hearts of believers forever. I say this prophesy of Jesus was Muhammad [as], as Jesus mentioned him as Ahmad in the 6th verse of Chapter As Saffat of the Quran.

However, I want you to show us from the Bibles, considering the full description of the another comforter whether it was fulfilled in the Bibles. We must advise you that Jesus said he will return so quickly that some of the disciples will still be alive. That was over 2000 years ago, while Muhammad [as] came to fulfill the prophesy only 610 years, a ration that is today between 1/3 and 1/4 of how long Jesus has not fulfilled his returning prophesied so long ago. To God even 50000 years is a mere Day. Consider 610 years which is within 1 HOUR. thats how quickly Muhammad [as] came after Jesus.

Frosbel is really pitiful: Waxrider?

Shame on you.

Sorry frosbel. I see your man is the waxrider.


@9jacrip: Its creepy what you said, above.

Islam is surviving without the Messenger [as]. No one has truly shaken since then.
How is the mere christian arab going to shake Islam?
Are the royal members honored in the Sight of God for just being royal or that because the humble themselves in Islam they are respected by man?

^^^^^^^^^^^ Lets take the prophesy or prophesies of Joseph as our example. You may also choose a prophet of your choice that Quran has in common with the Bibles.

List the prophesies from the Bibles.        We shall list what the Quran says about whoever you pick.



What is the prophesy of Jesus from the Bibles? I am curious to know them. I am also asking you if you are sure that i will not be able to find a failed biblical prophesy from whatever you list about Jesus?


Let me ask if after the muslims met your challenge and even excelled beyond your expectation, what are you going to do? will you revert to Islam because that should be the logical thing to do?

@Proo212: Lagosshia has given a better answer because he provides evidence from "the most current and uncorrupted scripture". But i want you to Those who will not heed the words of Moses will be perished. No?
remember Jesus heeded the words of Moses by keeping all the relevant rules and orders, etc from what Moses said/

Those who will not heed the words of Noah will be perished. No?

Those who do not heed the words of Enoch will be perished. No?

What about who are not heeding the words of Muhammad [as]? Are they not heading to destination that those who perish in the time of Adam [like cain], the time of Noah [like those who perished in the flood], the time of Moses [like pharaoh, etc], the time of Jesus [like the jews]?

i am saying the above to help you know that Jesus is not better than Moses whose laws, etc he had to obey his laws.

@buzugee; « #67 on: Yesterday at 05:20:28 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 05:15:43 PM
^^^ you discovered the truth, you became abusive, name caller.

i would not say return to sender, because it does not affect me whatever you said.

I depend on Allah, Alone. And He is sufficient as my Protector.
i wasnt abusive. that was a joke. and the only truth i discovered is that people are hard headed Grin keep on worshipping your allah and praying 5 times a day[/Quote]the 5 daily prayers are so into my soul that my body is in tune with it. see. its easy on me. at least i do not make a man or something else that is not the Creator my God.

@Frosbel: I already know the name of what you claim as father to be Jehovah.
I also know already the name of what you claim as son to be Jesus.

I do not now the name of what you claim as the holy spirit. I am assuming that you know it, otherwise you and I are disbelievers in Trinity [Tri-une God].

Give me the name of the Holy spirit if you are a believer, rendering me as the disbeliever between the two of us.

@Proo212: « #127 on: January 21, 2012, 09:58 PM »
[Quote]This is not a claim. Jesus is God.[/Quote]prove it by quoting Jesus saying "I am God". Thats easy. Below, I will prove that Jesus is son of man by quoting him say it from your Bible [Quote]"The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified" (Jn 12:23)[/Quote]

please follow the same process and post any where Jesus said he is God.

^^^^^^^^ Dumbo; Zakat is a pillar of Islam. It is part of what makes Salvation easy for muslims, instead of your stupid blood soaking from what you said came from the blood letting act of the jews.

I am sure you like blood of human so much you get stuck with it as a means of your salvation.

frosbel's long post explains nothing because he forgets, just every christian does that God forgave Adam and Eve without any blood of Jesus and at the same time God will never forgive satan even if another Jesus is sacrificed by the jews. Even if all the christians gather all the Jesus[es] they can gather from their Tri-une group of Gods, the condition will never change.

What good is claiming that somebody dies for you when you are not guaranteed that the death benefits even you, christian man davidylan? After all, even Jesus will reject a score of you people saying to the best of you, the miracle workers in his name 'i never knew ye'? Tell me how you think your case is better than that of the miracle workers destined to be rejected? Have you no sense to reason?

Salvation, which is ultimate forgiveness assuring mercy is simple from God in Islam without death of anyone and taking a medium between you and your Lord. In Islam it is belief in and obedience to 1 singly and completely unique and capable God. He was not a man to be killed or belittle. He was not a child to be nursed. He was not a father to discriminate against other who are not His children, but Creator of all.

This very position of being the Creator of all makes Him the One that has Authority over all, including to offer salvation without blood letting. In essence, your salvation and that of the jews that you tag upon them are not salvation but what belong to dump yard. Abeg comot for road before you freeze to death in your spiritual deficiency. We offered you life after death that will surpass all that is best in this world, you are rejecting it for clapping of hands.

The woman on nairaland you cant get enough of will be nothing to the woman you will have in paradise. And you will be better than danzel, brad pitts or fabio [your choice]. or do you want to be like david koresh? and i guarantee you that rapture will never happen for you. By Allah.

Sick Kufars. One "Frosbel" slapped on a too long cut and paste so that we do not read it, and the other "Judek2" followed with nonsensical, lie ediye raago.

Is there a way to salvation except Islam for humanity? No. And definitely christianity is not a salvation serving concept. If I base my argument on the fact that Lagosshia threw them an opportunity to prove so with a mere two sentences, we can safely say that christianity lacks reasons and clear evidences.

If we go into the history of humanity before Christianity, we find scores of people who received salvation directly from God, simply by believing in Him and obeying His commandments while offering repentance as applicable.

It is this old fashion process that God gave to each prophet for his community and given to the renaissance man himself [as], who covered by permission of God, not just his people but all mankind.

@Judek2: « #7 on: Today at 08:52:27 PM »
[Quote]@Op, why do you care so much huh. .What difference does it make.

I'v realy not known so much about Mukina,and felt her in almost all the forums i'v entered.
So can someone tell me explicitely her major role on Nairaland?

[b]@Necta,every thread seems to be a blasting opportunity for you[/b],realy bad.
Anyway, You may know,so might wanna tell me.[/Quote]Opportunity to blast you to outta here with the truth. I thank Allah for making you notice that I am on to you.

The kufar[s] need a leader. So they come to committed Muslim seeking leadership.
She will lead you all to Allah, inshaAllah.

All of you shall stand erect, bow and prostrate to the One Who All Honors belong. Not some ragtag make believe god. But The Irresistible God.

^^^^^^ Conversion secretly and you know it as if you are the one who knows secrets in the hearts.

Truth? What truth in christianity when you Joagbaje and all the christians can't convince Lagosshia that Jesus says he is God and deserves worship.

Where is the truth?

^^^ you discovered the truth, you became abusive, name caller.

i would not say return to sender, because it does not affect me whatever you said.

I depend on Allah, Alone. And He is sufficient as my Protector.

[Quote]« #29 on: January 20, 2012, 02:01 PM »

The is no singular anti-Christ as mentioned in the bible. There are anti-Christs.

There is also no single Man of sin but Mankind in general. Mankind will become more lawless and totally out of order before the coming of Christ.

We see it in the church, in society and in personal homes.[/Quote]What concerns agbero . . . is similar to "what concerns Jesus with the church"?


[Quote]Let us be clear, Islam represents some kind of beast as prophesied in the bible, but it does not on it's own represent number 666.

666 is the number of rebellious man. The mark of sin.

The children of God have the[b] mark/seal of God on their foreheads.[/b][/Quote] Allahu Akbar. The worshipers of God, he calls the Children of God. Where is your mark/seal of God on your forehead? If you dont have it that someone can see it, you are a disbeliever. How can you have it when your face have never honored God in your entire life? Oh Muslim, Allah has honored above Frosbel and his religion comrades. You have traces of Sujud on your atari. Glory belongs to Allah.

[Quote]Sahih International
Indeed, the worst of living creatures in the sight of Allah are those who have disbelieved, and they will not [ever] believe -[/QUote]8/55 says creatures, not animals. Dawwaba is what was used for creatures in that verse.

@Brentkruge: Look ^^^.

How is the continuous better when the Jews reject it, yet still have the salvation according to the Bible by their sporadic condition?

Your continuous concept is useless and worthless at the same time since neither you can say all christians will be in paradise nor can you say that no jew will enter paradise.

Read you bibles before you respond, buzugee.

^^^^^^^^^ [Quote]« #62 on: Today at 02:14:06 PM »
bros, he did not send his son to die to protect the animals. he sent his son so he can have continuous uninterrupted contact and dialogue with his children who love him.[/Quote]How do the children love Him? what are/is criteria for being His children who love Him before Jesus and how and when is the love different upon arrival of baby Jesus? Who are the mother/mothers of these children and what is the relationship of the mother/mothers to Him? couldn't maintain continuous uninterrupted contact without sending and killing his son? Didn't he maintain that kind of relationship uninterruptedly from Adam to Noah and after the flood of Noah, to Abraham all through the saga of man, including his chosen people, from which he took a young woman for the holy ghost to overshadow to the point that she got pregnant and produce a baby? Or he did not want to maintain the relationship in the same way, but engineered something different? remember his son came from and to his chosen people, yet these same people are not save now. In spite of their rejecting Jesus they maintain their salvation through other means since the Bible says salvation belongs to the jews. Why make a man die when he had achieve the same goal without killing a man before? why is the death of the man not automatically wiping away all sins, for all people, but for one to be covered he has to belief, which was the same thing that God has based His forgiveness upon before the son came. Nothing in essence changed because belief and forgiveness are still exclusive properties of God. Jesus had nothing to do with either in the same way that God does, considering that Jesus can do nothing of his own power.


[Quote] see when you sinned before you were cut off.[/Quote]And when you seek forgiveness you are reconnected to the Merciful God. If you sin now, according to the Bible you are cut off if you don't seek forgiveness and forgiveness is seeking the Mercy of God, directly not the taking of it that a man died. If his death does not act as the salvation for or of the children of Israel, how can you expect that it will act for those who are not?


[Quote] then you had to go do the sacrifice before you got reconnected.[/Quote]That was the process of forgiveness given to the children of Israel. before the children of Israel, there were people and they maintain connection with God by mere obedience. the reconnect to God upon sin by seeking forgiveness by offering forgiveness according to what they were given. should the Merciful God make things the easiest as we go along? should He make things harder?


[Quote] can you see how that can be sporadic and not continuous ?[/Quote]it was what God chose for them and you can't make decision for God. God continued His relationship with those who obeyed, regardless of how sporadic and not continuous it may seem to you regardless of their ethnicity or heritage. If you belief and obey His Will you receive His Salvation and why not will He deprive you based on your bloodline, while you are a believer and obedience? Obedience is not a complicated matter. Imagine a man before the time of Jesus among the children of Israel. This man offered the personal sacrifice because he sinned. He didnt do it for the whole community and for everyone before him. the sin that Adam and Eve committed according to the bibles, they were forgiven and the man did not have to offer anything for it. This jew died after offering the personal sacrifice. Is he not destined for heaven according to the jewish law? How about a Bambara man in his native land who believed and offered what God command upon him? will he end up in fire just because he was not from children of Israel and what an unjust christian God would that God have been if success with Him is by heritage and not by obedience to Him? What role is Jesus playing in the death of these two non christian, preJesus people?


[Quote] he sent his son so as to eradicate the sporadic communion with his children and to usher in the continuous communion.[/Quote]This He could easily accomplish without having to get a ghost impregnate a young girl, have a son who lacked knowledge and surrounded himself with people of little faith and then make him die by rejecting his plea. Yet this death will not automatically cover all, even all the jews, except that you said that one accepts and believes individually, the very same way one accept and believe individually before Jesus. What has Jesus came to do, except to repeat what was already on ground; Individual awareness of sin and personal effort seeking forgiveness? Muhammad [as] by Allah made this very easy, the easiest. No killing of even of animal is necessary.

@Frosbel: Me shaken because a fellow i dont know decided to leave goodness for what is rejectable? not me.

i had a beloved uncle who died a disbeliever. i had a brother who did die as a disbeliever.
my mother's father who i am a spitting image of [and its not the lets create man in our own image and likeness that are not exactly image and likeness] was a christian. i had to accept their realities and face my own reality.

was i shaken? yes because these were my blood.

am i concern about the arabs? the same way i am concern about the igbos. the igbos are dearer to me than the arabs because i have family members from them. they share nigeria with me, too.

what do i need in middle east except Makka and Madina and Jerusalem. but i can be happy and my islam will be complete as long as i do what are the Commandments of Allah on me.

islam will not perish is the whole royal family of the arabs decided to perish in christianity. to each his/her own; my religion is Islam because i habe Favor from Allah, on His Religion of Truth which He has Perfected on the prophetic office of Muhammad. not that of Jesus or Moses. you can see if you have wisdom who is beloved to God. i am from the perfect community and it is that perfection i should be judged by.

your kuwaiti royal family member became a christian after he became a murderer, thinking that is a loophole for him to get off the crime he committed. the pressure of the christians way earn him only many decades, the Justice of Allah shall catch up with him on the Day of Judgment.

i think frosbel is not thinking about judgment day.

^^^^^^^^^^^ mr. judas, please stop displaying the chronic lies you have been spewing since i met you.

you know that your lies will not profit you, jsut like 3 gods will not profit the christians.

The reason you people hate Islam is because its a firm resolve that destroyed your lies.

^^^^^^^ You are a liar. You know if the devil was defeated, he will not carry him to the cliff and ask him to jump if he dared.
The same devil who infested the rock of christianity; peter.

I curse the devil and you better not dare to curse him because he will get you and your lord.

[Quote]The Holy Spirit speaks to His children.[/Quote]Mr. Olaadegbu is the Christian Holy Spirit. Lol.

There it is. That was easy.

Yet you squandered the opportunity to make Lagosshia Christian.

And the hero of the christians; a man who murdered his family member in cod blood.

I guess he converted so that the christian world can get him released. He loves Jesus so much that he killed muslims to get to him.

see. that was easy.

@Frosbel: « #1 on: Yesterday at 11:37:28 PM »
[Quote]'The Muslims turned Gaza, which the Jews had made prosperous, back into a desert.[/Quote]When did the jews make Gaza the enclave of their greatest enemies prosperous? Here are the jewish nazism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynWjYHP91gA
Today, i withdraw all respect for you based on the above video.


[Quote] Turning back the desert will not change Muslims.[/Quote]You lack morals. Alhamdulillah not all christians or igbos are like you. You represent the worse in the conscience of both groups in my eyes.


[Quote] Look at the damage they've done to Europe.[/Quote]And france single handedly decimated the Algerians people because they wanted self rule.


[Quote] Islam is the doctrine of evil arising from the perverted and psychopathically criminal mind of an illiterate egomaniac.[/Quote]And Muhammad [as] died without claiming any of the glory of Islam. He didn't call himself a king. No muslim calls him a king. You seem deluded and obsessed with winning soul for Jesus who lost his soul to the jews you are elevating.


[Quote] Anyone aping the actions of such a person becomes a perverted psychopath.'[/Quote]How did you acquire your own psychopathic quality?

"Islam has done less for the civilized world than a pack of donkeys." said Ron Banerjee, Canadian Hindu Activist.

@Pastor AIO: If you worship Jesus, why can't you stand up to the challenge of Lagosshia and affirm to us where Jesus said he was God and he deserved all worship?

^^^ The boko haram are your brothers because by location you are closer to them than me.

Not everyone who uses the label of Islam is a muslim. Example is the Nation of Islam.

Islam is build or based on 5; That there is 1 Absolute God Whose Personal Name is Allah.

Then Salah is observed daily. Zakah and Sadaqah is enjoined. Saum and Hajj are the last 2.

The most important among the 5 has at least 70 levels. The lowest of it is to remove hurt from the part of all creations. So when the Boko Haram and others are hurting innocent people, they fail in the least of what Laa Ilaha Ila Allah is.

@Pastor AIO; So you are a christian and Babalawo at the same time? O ga fun e o.

@Olaadegbu: « #45 on: Today at 09:34:47 PM »
[Quote] Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 03:51:38 PM

@Olaadegbu; « #43 on: Today at 02:42:50 PM »When God spoke to the stiff necked jews, they heard Him as Yahweh, not ask holy ghost. You dont think i take it from your anemic responses, taking ghost as God, a christian concept is different from jewish concept of God. God was able to talk, many times that even that when Jesus was being baptized, a christian concept so much loud was the voice of Jewish God that the people around heard it. How come was ghost voiceless when it comes to christian Gods? I need the name of your ghost God, olaadegbu. I know that if you live till the end of time, you will not be able to provide a name, but you will be quick to provide the name of father God and son God if I ask you.

This is the Tri-une God in action:[/Quote]I asked you the name of the third. I know that if you christians aid one another in knowledge until the end of time, you will not be able to provide me with a name of the one titled holy ghost.


[Quote]"And Jesus, when he was baptised, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased" (Matthew 3:16-17).[/Quote]This is one of the prophets of God in action. And John son of Zacharias sanctified Jesus and made him come of age in the tradition of the children of Israel. The coming of age among the children of Israel is pegged at 13 years old and they call it Barmitvah. But the christians called it baptism, similar to their calling God 3 in Tri-une.


[Quote]Now, have you heard His voice or is it noise to you?[/Quote]I hope you apply wisdom that people heard God speak. How come the holy ghost in the christian's tri-une God dumb, not a speaking entity? This is what you must answer, olaadegbu.

@Buzugee; « #40 on: Today at 07:53:14 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 07:50:59 PM
^^^^^ i do not want us to walk away from the topic.
However, while you people need a medium to seek forgiveness from God, muslims approach God without any medium.


The one who at the end is forgiven is equal to the one who did not commit sin because both are sinless.
however you pray to a stone. thats idolatry of the highest order LEVITICUS 26 VS 1[/Quote]I do not pray to a stone. A stone is part of what is my Qibla, the ultimate sutra.

What is Qibla; Direction.
What is a Sutra; a marking in front of the prayer person so that his space of where his prayer is identified.


How is a mere direction and position indicator is the object of worship when what we worship is Allah the One Who ordered the direction and position?