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I am an authentic Ijebu man of islamic soul.


Yahweh? I love Allah the Ellah of Jesus [as of to Jesus].

^ Do the Bibles tell us about Harman the man in charge of construction in the cabinet of Fir'awn?

How id Qarun? Allah told Muhammad what was true about Moses. The falsehood was disproved thereby.

Olaadegbu can never be an Ijebu man. We dont accept rejects in Ijebu land. We are muslims to the core that Ojude oba is our tradition all the way to Muhammad [as].

The christians among ijebus are owon atowu renwa.

^^ When did the Quran become the Bibles? is there any sense in comparing the Quran with the Bibles? Which Bible?

how do the christians, especially Habiolah want muslims to preach about One God to them except that we give them the truth of Al Quran and Sunnah/Hadith for them to contrast it with the falsehood they have known in Trinity, etc where God is overcame, and killed.

@proo212: « #14 on: Today at 01:27:00 PM »
[Quote]I will not address the insult because others have addressed it. What I have a problem with is this

did you mention the Bible somewhere there? Besides, I don't think that the best way to convince me is by insulting me.
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I have not insulted you. And if I did i may actually be within my right as your elder. Bible was mentioned because Quran is too sophisticated for you because Adama and Eve were created in heavens and they wee told to dwell in the garden in heaven. Until satan got them to disobey before they were sent down to earth. if i started from where its hard, your heart may not be able to take it.

Adam and Eve were created in heaven and they were told to dwell in the garden in heaven, until satan got them to disobey before they were sent down to earth.

This is wrong. Why is this wrong?[/Quote]do you have evidence, that cant be refuted? let read your argument, below.



[Quote]1. Adam and Eve were in the garden of Eden when they disobeyed and God sent them out of the garden.[/Quote] note that i started with 'they were created in heaven". You started with naming a garden you cant locate that you claim was where they live. Is there an exact location that you or any christian or jew can give of Eden? There should remain a remnant of the garden or existence of its residents. Even you know where heaven is because you have to look up towards the heaven.



[Quote]This is what my bible says but not just because this what my bible says but because if satan had already been cast out of heaven when he disobeyed.[/Quote]Your Bible is wrong. If I use your judgement that satan was cast out of heaven when he disobeyed, does it then not logical that Adam and Eve reside in heaven a place forbidden to satan?



[Quote]If so, how was he able to get back into heaven to tempt Adam and Eve?[/Quote]From the Quran, it says it is a suggestion to their hearts/minds. He was not there physically because you will not see satan when he suggests to you or was satan physical with Jesus your God when he ran him into the wilderness for 40 days without foods, and the other times he made him hallucinated enough to curse a tree? Imagine when Paul said Jesus was curse reminds me of the aftermath of the fig tree. Imagine satan taking Jesus to the cliff, to the mountain top, asking him to worship him and then tormenting Peter the satan? All I am saying is that satan does his works of evil by suggestion and if Adam and Eve were on earth with him, he would not suggest as Quran said or come as snake as your bible formulated considering that satan was able to fight your God, why not just come straight in his nature to Adam and Even even forcing them since no one is protecting them [the biblical concept]?



[Quote]Your belief is that allah uses the stars to stone satan any time he attempts to enter heaven, and obviously on this occasion he succeeded[/Quote]No really. My believe is that the stars are missiles against the efforts of satan and his followers to listen to what is being said in heavens. Somebody before the invention of gun powder will not believe such a dusty/sandy thing can be an ingredient to propel a metal [bullet] to kill an elephant. today, you don't even need gun powder. How can you disprove what scares a subject that you cant see, but bold enough to make the time of Jesus unbearable, just like the jewish community did?



[Quote]Either the stars missed him or he sneaked in and managed to tempt them. So all the angels were not aware that satan had sneaked in.[/Quote]Allah had created Adam and Eve to be residents of earth. But they have to be tried in heaven and Paradise first so that there is a reason for them to come on earth to struggle it out for good and against evil if they are believers. Then they will have the Paradise as their good worthy of returning to. I am inviting you to a path that will lead you to Paradise and dont refuse because of arrogance.



[Quote]That means allah is not all powerful and knowing.

The logic does not compute[/Quote]Allah is All Powerful and All Knowing. He said to the angels I now what you know not. And in human's earthly history, we see good people who are believers in one God we see bad people who are disbelievers in One God. Which group are you going with?

@Habiolah and plappville; « #12 on: Today at 11:59:37 AM »
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from @Sweetnectar: The Quran say the Christians have 3 entities in their God concept. You are saying Jesus is God, Yahweh/Jehovah and the ghost is God. thats multiple God and thats more than 1 God.

1 Timothy 2:3-6 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, [4] who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.[/Quote] See. Even Timothy knows that God is the Savior and Jesus is not. Savior is never succumbing to defeat. Allah Almighty is the Savior.


[Quote] [5] For there is one God and one mediator [/b]between God and men,[/Quote]This makes you people just like the hindus. they have mediators, too. The yoruba religions are similar to you.


[Quote] the man Christ Jesus, [6] who [b]gave himself as a ransom for all men,[/Quote]You made christ a mediator and you lied on him because he was no ransom for all men. read who Jesus himself said he came for and what he said he came to do. Timothy writer is lying on Jesus. I want you to quote jesus and not the crazies that are lying on him.

^^ I will not dignify you with a response. I am a better way to preach Islam. I have looked at your profile and see your youth and know why you are fighting mad against good.

If I zero in on on you and say that all christian males and females behave like the nigerian male and the nigerian females who are having sex with each other from your church congregation in france, will i not be giving the best of christianity, preaching the quality of christianity? Let me remind you; i am talking about the man who you wanted to introduce your sister to, but he needed to hold body until then.

If you have posted inquires about islam, its creed, etc, i will not mind responding to you. look at the topic and respond to it. not just displaying abject ignorance like nikolai sarcozy your president.

if you want cucumber and carrots and sticky finger looking thingy, you know where to go for it, then; whatever float your boat since Jesus blood is what cover you and i am in the effort to open your eyes so that you can see how weak the blood concept it.

^Plappville; Its not every thread you need to contribute in. this thread is a challenge to preach to habiolah. please frenchie, step aside.

@Habiolah: Posted by: habiolah
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did you mention the Bible somewhere there? Besides, I don't think that the best way to convince me is by insulting me.[/Quote]I have not insulted you. And if I did i may actually be within my right as your elder. Bible was mentioned because Quran is too sophisticated for you because Adama and Eve were created in heavens and they wee told to dwell in the garden in heaven. Until satan got them to disobey before they were sent down to earth. if i started from where its hard, your heart may not be able to take it.


[Quote]What proof do you have that mohammed is not trying to take us for a ride?[/Quote]There was not a single gain for him. he was a wealthy or well to do man and under islam he became a man who could not have the 3 daily meals. do you know a man who fought for something that run his finances to the ground?


[Quote] He went solely to some place, came back with a book after God knows how long, and says it was given him by an angel; how do we prove that what he said is true?[/Quote]What was this all about? where did you hear such a garbage? Who fed you with this fraud of a story? For 23 years he was in his community where many witnessed the revelation coming to him. Quran was not compiled into a single book, until he died.


[Quote]You seem to talk like you are sure I serve more than one God, I never told you that, so why assume?[/Quote]The Quran say the Christians have 3 entities in their God concept. You are saying Jesus is God, Yahweh/Jehovah and the ghost is God. thats multiple God and thats more than 1 God.


[Quote]Must Allah be fought for? Won't you prefer someone who can fight for you?[/Quote]I am not a sissy. SO if i were to fight I fight for myself, for my wife, for my family members.


[Quote]Have you shown me how you concluded that Islam is the way?[/Quote]I am a worshiper of One True Unseen God. That is different from 3 persons God. Allah says That "There is no God but God". Read Surah Ikhlas; Chapter 112. Allah is the One that every worship is due.


[Quote]Don't yab please, I'm sure we can get our points across without it. [b]Nagode[/b[/Quote]I am not hausa so why nagode. What does that mean? I though you will ask questions about the religion. You have not done that.

@Judek2; « #63 on: Today at 03:00:08 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 12:20:45 AM
@Judek2: How did he fulfill and set fully the first commandment that God is 1, unseen when you christians take Jesus, a physically seen man as God, even Trinity; Jesus, Ghost and Yahweh?

THE HOLY SPIRIT

Luke 4:1And Jesus being full of the HOLY GHOST returned from Jordan,and was let by THE SPIRIT into the wilderness
see Gen 1:2. and THE SPIRIT of God moved upon the face of the waters[/Quote]And when the christians can't escape it, they fondly remember that Jesus was a person, so much a person that even he was filled with holy spirit [sorry; ghost], the same full of the holy ghost that John as a fetus in his mother's womb was full of. Does it not make John also God if this was a sign of God in the life of Jesus?



[Quote]2)JESUS IS GOD

John 10:30 I and MY FATHER are ONE[/Quote]I and my wife are one. But certainly I am not a woman and she aint to man. I know it. She knows it. It is a fallacy to believe that there is no boss in that relationship. Is Jesus the boss of Jehovah or is it Jehovah Who Lords over Jesus?



[Quote]3)JESUS CALLS HIMSELF GOD.
LUKE 14:12 And Jesus answering said, Thou shalt not tempt THE LORD THY GOD[/Quote]You could fool yourself, but not me. Satan asked Jesus to act so that it can be proven that Jesus will be protected by God. Jesus answered, saying in effect that if he were to do as satan asked, he Jesus will be tempting God. Thats what that verse is saying because you did not have the gut and conviction to present it as a proof that jesus is anything more than a human prophet, if he was more than human prophet, the lagosshia challenge would have been answered by now.



[uote]Dont be blind to see, JESUS = GOD = HOLY SPIRIT.

[/Quote]So when jesus was hung between thieves, it must be that God was also hung between thieves is equal to holy ghost was also hung between thieves? You are not sincere.



[Quote]Didnt Jesus say,God is SPIRIT[/Quote}Do spirits have flesh and bone? Jesus asked those who said he was not a hard body [human that can get hurt, black and blue].



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So tell me how you will work the no graven image to agree with the cross?

I will IGNORE silly questions.[/Quote]This is from the 10 commandment you darn cross worshiper. whats silly about reality of your religious life?



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if this is so that is the benefit of Another Comforter and even less Acts of apostles, the epistles, revelations, Paul?[/Quote]So you have no answer?



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He said I finished all that you send me to do at the dinner table, long before the alleged cross. It is finished on the cross is irrelevant to what God sent him to do, there for.

Although you claim that you dont drink alchohol,the bolded seems to be written under the influence of alchohol.[/Quote]Prove the bold? Did Jesus say "I finished what you sent me" at the dinner table?



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please keep in mind that Isiah never mentioned the word "Jesus", hence the read into it what you are reading into it is your own making and there is no evidence.

Mohammadians know nothing about Prophesy. X[/Quote]Nothing called Mohammadians you head screwed on wrongly person.



[Quote]But to educate you a little,can you tell me who this verse was prophesying about

MALACHI:4:5
Behold, I will send you Elijah,the Prophet before the comming of the dreadful day of the LORD[/Quote]Did Elijah come after Elijah? Lets have Jesus and the greatest prophet of the children of Israel, John argue it out. Who is correct between the two?



[Quote]If you can answer this,I shall then answer your question.[/Quote]Jesus and John are arguing who was Elijah in their time.



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Show me the name Jesus here or do you think this does not better fit the another comforter who is the one that completed everything? Lets think about it.

answer the above question , then we shall think about it.
You dont need a long comment, but just a name.]/Quote]Did you see Jesus and John arguing about who was Elijah?



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But Paul abolished it? What do you think about that now that you can eat pork?

Why mentioning Paul? Mohammad would have included him as one of his prophets,if not for his hatred for Jesus Christ.[/Quote]I guess you read minds. WHat was Jesus thinking about when he said John was Elijah and John disagreed? Who was right? By the way Paul was not Jesus so I dont know what you are talking about hatred of jesus will automatically lead to hating Paul.



[QUote]Actually,Paul didnt abolish it,he simply upheld Gods message to Peter.[/Quote]Paul never met Jesus, while peter was the Rock of jesus. Yet it was Paul that controlled the movement of Peter and the rest of those who followed Jesus for 3 years. How does that make sense to you?



[Quote]Acts 10:12-15
12)Wherein there were all manner of four-footed beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things,and fowls of the air.
13) and there came a voice to him, Rise Peter,kill and eat
14) but Peter said, Not so Lord; For I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15) And the Voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou Common.[/Quote]What Jesus didnt eat now Peter and Paul are eating.



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And no evidence that Isiah was talking about Jesus here. Check it out. I want his name in black and white.

Poor Mohammadian, Prophesies does not require names or points and says, that is him. It is based on attributes and what people see and talk him that makes them a clear evidence of the prophecy.[/Quote]And the Another Comforter shall hear and speak. How is a non speaking ghost the another comforter?



[Quote]A Prophesy cannot say, "I prophesy that a man called Jesus will be born by a Woman called Mary and his father will be Joseph,who will be a carpenter,"[/Quote]So prophesy has to give a generic statement, but it is you who will finalize who you take as the one in the prophesy. Now tell me how does Jesus become the King when he never sat on a throne? How is he a prince when there no royalty in his blood? I can go on and on, and then ask how was the another comforter a prophesy of Jesus becomes a dumb ghost that has no voice? Dumb waiter is a person, but not a means of transporting you food tray from the lower level to the upper level in your house.



[Quote]By so, it is not a Prophesy,
Prophesy is based on Foolproof. The fools will see it manifest,yet doubt,
but the humble will see,and believe fully in his heart that it is true.[/Quote]And you have not humble yourself before God, so how would you know reality from what satan make beautiful in your eyes?



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But you said Jesus didnt have any sin, why didnt he cast the lone stone to demonstrate this?

Again,alchohol at work here.
1) he was not under the law,
2)How came to save sinners and not to condemn them.
3) by being sinless,he sets an example for sinners.
Any odd action would have disqualified him of being the "savior" or "Mesaiah"[/Quote]And Jesus said if you say "fool" to anyone you will be in hell. Then Jesus said "fool" to someone. Tell me.



[Quote]You and Lagoshia just thinks like what Mohammad called women.
You know it dont you? Grin Grin[/Quote]I dont read mind. So spill your gut, man.

@Habiolah: « #1 on: Yesterday at 11:23:18 PM »
[Quote]is this what the Quran teaches?[/Quote]Yes. Are you not look for the success so that you receive the benefit of what success is?


[Quote] Can this convince even you if you were not a muslim?[/Quote]If you have wisdom less is enough to convince. I remember telling my wife that she needed to join me in worship of One God. that was the first time I was going to talk and or speak to her. I told her God is Single Entity and Perfectly Unique in every aspect and Complete and Capable to do all things. That was enough and she needed no more evidence.


[Quote] What do you mean by positive and negative?[/Quote]Sin is negative. The greatest of sins is saying God is not being acknowledged as he should. Some deny His existence. Some say He is not necessary. Other say He is more than 1. Some say He was hung. The positive is good deeds. Disbelievers in the grades I have mentioned above do not have real positive with God, but only in the eyes of men.


[Quote] Why do I need it?[/Quote] Since you are not a muslim, in the Eye of God, you have no positive. And when you have no positive equal to or greater than negative, there is no mercy of God for you on the Day of Assembly when everyone will be Judged. The Mercy of Allah will cover believers and their trial will be easy and they will be rewarded for being believers. Disbelievers will be punished as God Wills.


[Quote] Adam and Eve were directly connected to God?[/Quote]Yes. You dont expect God to cut them loose from His Mercy, considering that even in your Bible they lived in a garden where they did not have to sweat to have satisfaction. Is that not what everyone wants? Who is the Best Protector that if you are connected to Him, you have security but God Almighty, Alone? Why do you want to be abandoned by God? That will be disaster.


[Quote] Who says I'm not?[/Quote]Even wild beasts have minimal connection based on their instincts.


[Quote] Convince was the word, I'm sure you say that[/Quote]I extended invitation, it is you who must tell me why you are refusing and rejecting what will benefit your soul. If you become Muslim, you will now that your Creator is One Lord God and not some human made or dying human; mere mortal. If you want guidance, you need to ask questions and we shall address your problems.

@manmacho: [Quote]but, you will agree with me that you are yet to show me from your quoran what made list i gave a prophet.[/Quote]Are you okay, because the bold is unclear?


[Quote] please stop quoting from the bible i need prophesies from the aforemention from your quoran.[/Quote]I guess you need to know what constitute a prophet from the Quran? It is those who among male gender among humans that Allah give mission of leadership, message to guide community of people. Noah was a messenger [as]. He was told to lead his people away from idolatry, the greatest sin and the one that led to their ruin. He preached and told his people that they were cultivating disaster. At length he prayer to God to ruin them without leaving a single doer alive among them. It happened.
We have Prophet Salih, Prophet Hud, Prophet Shuib [as] who are not in your Bible.
Prophet Muhammad [as] is not in your Bible and said that you will hate muslims. you didnt disappoint us.


[Quote]point of REAL correction Joseph was never a prophet at least not from the bible. that he had a dream does not make him a prophet remember pharoah and the king of babylon had dreams i had dreams too this does not make us a prophet you will agree.[/Quote]My classification of a person as a prophet is not based on your bibles. The difference between the dreams of prophet of God and those who are not was that each dream of the prophet was a revelation and must be true and thats what prophesy is while dreams of ordinary people may or may not be true. If you notice, everything that Joseph said  was correct, at least from the Quran since i will completely ignore the Bibles here because you said thats the way to go and i personally believe that since there are many Bibles, I do not want to use the fake bible, unless you can tell me which bible is real and we shall both throw the rest in Osa or if you wish, the Okun.


[Quote]John was a prophet, he spoke clearly about the coming of the lord.[/Quote]Which Lord? You are not talking about prophet Jesus who Prophet John disagreed with on who Prophet John was? Read your Bible and see how defeated you are.


[Quote] prophet are God's mouth piece they speak is counsel now and about what is to come.[/Quote]So you are saying John being God's mouth he spoke about God coming to earth? Ridiculous. Jesus was a prophet. he must have been God's mouth just the same, even saying John was the greatest prophet for israel, beating Moses hands down. Now tell me from your Bible what was the prophesy of Moses and what was the prophesy of Jesus?


[Quote] all biblical prophet fall into this categories. Ishiah Jeremiah are examples that comes to mind.[/Quote]And Isiah spoke without mentioning a name of the man called Jesus. And jeremiah said that OT is corrupt. Did they lie?


[Quote]PLEASE WHERE IN THE QUORAN DID YOUR PROPHET PROPHESIED WHERE ARE THERE PROPHESIES LET US SEE THEM AND STOP QUOTING FROM THE BIBLE GIVE SAMPLE FROM THE QUORAN.[/Quote]Did I quote from the Bible when I said the Quran says you will hate Muslims and we will grow in spite of your hating us? Islam dominated Persia and it will take over Europe, if you live long to see it.

@drstan; you people were given 4 opportunities to convert Lagosshia and me and I am definitely sure Vedaxcool will come on board, jsut like many muslims on NL.

I will personally ask my wife, a former christian and her family, her friends [former muslims], the many reverts I personally know to leave Islam. None of you can dent Islam.

I have practiced Islam all my life. I have continued to practice it even in the epicenter of 911. i see many people abandoning christianity. Before long, Allah will make muslim out of habiolah on Nairaland, under the thread he asked us to preach to him from.

I personally have seen many chrisitan clergy men who abandoned christianity and are now on the path of propagating islam.

@Davidylan: what is it that Aisha [ra] disagree with Lagosshia on? the written Quran? Thats is impossible, because it was collated as a single book there were many complete copies in loose parchment written on different kinds of surfaces. they were not in any other language except the one it was revealed in: Arabic.

@Habiolah: You asked that Islam be preached to you. We hear you and we have answered. You have your own thread where Islam will be preached to you. And you can ask questions about Islam.

Become a muslim and be benefited. Your benefit will lead you to paradise. First your sins shall be forgiven you the moment you declared yourself as muslim. Your deeds prior to that time shall be immediately turned to benefit in the positive column upon your declaration. You will not be a zero zero on the positive and negative columns. But you will be all + in the positive column and zero in the negative column. You can not beat this deal, connecting you directly like Adam and Eve to your Lord God The Almighty Creator without a medium between you and Him.

Habiolah is funny especially when he cant give us the name of the spirit of God, which they call the holy spirit.
Frosbel is funnier because he says bachelor Jesus had or has children.

@Habiolah, are you ready to hear about Islam? You will be allowed to ask any question about faith and guidance and salvation that is completely easy on everyone.

somebody should prepare depression drug cocktail for Frosbel.

davidylan will soon be a candidate from Rochester to Rahway.

i remembered after 911, a man began to flex his political muscles against a mosque in NYC. Allah dealt with him by making him lose his official position.
Watch out boys. Allah is Ever Living and Capable all the time.


He is unlike gods who need to aid one another and still unable to achieve.

The republicans. the GOP. yes. the flag bearer of honesty: Newt, Mitt, Perry, etc. Rush.
Great Americans. The sustainers of the party of Abe Lincoln. Great people standing on the earth and covered by the heavens of God.

[Quote]"But it was to us that God revealed these things by his Spirit. For his Spirit searches out everything and shows us God's deep secrets." - 1 Corinthians 2:10[/Quote]Searches out, instead of knowing all, all the time? You can fool all sometime, fool some all the time, but you cant fool all all the time, frosbel.

Ironically telling thread topic. Without The Holy Spirit Forget It.
Did anyone catch the truth, yet?

Jesus is not important according to the header, but the holy spirit is or nothing as in forget it.

@Jtroy: « #174 on: Today at 12:37:00 PM »
[Quote]jamaine got converted to islam because he was foolishly led into it but in an interview with a muslim woman he said " i really wish micheal was converted before he died he would have been saved"  now the question is,  saved from what? it is a good thing that a well know muslim in the islamic world has finally seen the light in JESUS CHRIST[/Quote]Saved from way of 3 Gods. if thats the only answer i provide, it is sufficient like 2 swords were sufficient.
but the evidence to support me is the statement of Jesus predicting that many from his followers, even the miracle workers in his name would be doomed because he will reject them and his God will cast them to fire of lake.

@Joagbaje: [Quote]Quote from: Joagbaje on Yesterday at 05:03:46 PM
The deity of Jesus is not controversial . He is called " MIGHTY GOD"


Isaiah 9:6
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God,The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.[/Quote]Tell me which part of this verse fits Jesus more than any other person?


Isaiah 9:6
6 For unto us a child is born, every one of the prophets was born from the point of this statement onward. John was born so was Jesus.

unto us a son is given:and the government shall be upon his shoulder Solomon fits this description more than Jesus.:

and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The woman solomon preserved her son's life will thing about solomon this way What is funny here is that you see human as wonderful and counselor here, but you don't see human as the another comforter, a counselor with voice so that he can speak words from God to affect the hearts.

The mighty God,The everlasting Father, she and many will think solomon is this person

The Prince of Peace. John fits this more than Jesus.

^^^^^^^^^^^^ You have demonstrated the usefulness of "the death of christ" to be 0% because man still must repent to God. But that was always the case; Adam and Eve repented.
Satan and the demons shall not offer repentance.

@Adesammie; You may need to describe the "Way" and contrast it with "the worships of the christians, today" to see if they are in agreement.

if Jesus was not a singing, clapping, dancing, etc worshiper, then his "way" is different from the "way" of the christians.

Then compare the way of jesus in worship of his Lord God Who is One to Islam. Are they different when Jesus was a standing prostrating face, bowing man. The muslim salat entails all of that.

@Kobojunkie; « #165 on: Today at 12:58:23 AM »

[Quote]If true, I pray for his safety, and hope he is able to handle the trials to come.[/Quote]If not true, then what?
Imagine a christian criminal who reverted to Islam in american prison.


Shall the world of Islam say that his punishment is borne upon him because he reverted to Islam?

American spirit? I wonder why the jewish Synagogues in the bronx didnt help the Christians?

Thats even a harder calling. Why can't the Christian church or churches down the street or around the corner do what the muslims have done? The possibility that the muslims are immigrants is very likely because you do not have a white or black or spanish american only organized mosque in the bronx. I doubt if Davidylan ever had visited the Bronx before.

^^^^^^^^^^^^ The Bible says no one has seen God at anytime and lived. That is different from hearing the Voice of God. God spoke to many, including Moses in the burning bush event, but from a veil, Unseen but Heard.

Did anybody see God at the Baprtism where John and Jesus were present or is God of the christian a DOVE? if God were to be seen by anyone, these could have been the events because they were land mark events.

The land mark event of Muhammad [as] was the Invitation of God to him as he was transported from Makka to Jerusalem where he took leadership of all prophets. Then from Jerusalem to Heavens, and beyond where he received the exact numbers of daily salah and their rakah, at the same time receiving the last 4 verses of Chapter 2.

He heard the Voice of God and their was LIGHT as the VEIL between him and God Almighty.


AGAIN no one sees God and lives. Muhammad [as] had not finished his mission, so it is acceptable that a man to live a life must not see God. No one has seen God and lived; Not Moses, Not Jesus, not Muhammad [as].

Imagine this; If Jesus had seen God he would have been able to tell you "the image and likeness" [not that i believe in this but i need to use it to argue for the fact that God is not for anyone alive to see]. If Moses had seen God, he would have described Him. Imagine if any prophet had said "I have seen God, I now His Form"? Do you not think that people will ask that He be described? What will be Unique and absolutely Awesome about what you know its limit? Nothing.

^^^^^^^^^^^ this dude has no mind. if he has he would have seen my provision of the prophesies of Joseph, under it i gave prophesies of Jacob all the way till Jacob settled in egypt.

then i challenged manmacho to provide me with the prophesy of John the baptist in a way, but specifically the prophesies of Prophet Jesus. since your mind is dead, below are the prophesies of Joseph, then that of Jacob intertwining in there:

Let me take Joseph as an easy example and give you his prophesies; 1}. He said 11 stars and the moon and sun bowed to him. His father Jacob knew what he meant and Jacob prophesied in that very conversation that his brothers were his enemies.

We read that his brothers lied to their father and at the end of the day got rid of Joseph, selling him to egypt, the very place he will have the fulfillment of his bowing down to him.

His father knew that his sons were not sincere with him so he said patience is good.
At long last Joseph prophesied to the two prisoners.
And in turn later prophesied to the king and in turn his being a honored man people must bow to became a reality the only way his father [a prophet] even bowed to him, without worshiping him, fulfilling the dream with prophetic message.

What is remaining today for us all as people from what makes up prophetic office is true dreams, while revelations in form of books, etc ended with Muhammad [as], the last of the prophets.

The above contains many prophesies and all of them came to pass.


Jesus prophesied about a comforter after him who God will speak to. Who will hear what God speaks. Then transfer that to man without Adding or deducing from it. He will not use his own words, but whatever he hears he shall speaks.

He will correct the people. He will remind them of what Jesus said that is true. And he will correct people of any lies they tell about God, Angels, Prophets, including Jesus etc, etc and many other things.

He will give the absolute information of complete guidance to people because Jesus didnt. He will glorify Jesus in proper and in accurate measures. He will abide forever with man spiritually, what he brings from God will dwell in the hearts of believers forever. I say this prophesy of Jesus was about Muhammad [as], as Jesus mentioned him as Ahmad in the 6th verse of Chapter As Saffat of the Quran.

However, I want you to show us from the Bibles, considering the full description of the another comforter whether it was fulfilled in the Bibles. We must advise you that Jesus said he will return so quickly that some of the disciples will still be alive. That was over 2000 years ago, while Muhammad [as] came to fulfill the prophesy only 610 years, a ration that is today between 1/3 and 1/4 of how long Jesus has not fulfilled his returning prophesied so long ago. To God even 50000 years is a mere Day. Consider 610 years which is within 1 HOUR. thats how quickly Muhammad [as] came after Jesus.


could you list the prophesy of any prophet for us in the bible and give us proof of the fulfillment of the prophesy? then we shall go to the Quran and give you a better statement in prophesy of the prophet.

You can use Noah, Abraham, John, Jesus or any of them Quran mentioned. your choice. But i wonder what is the essence of this if you will not gain the reward of knowledge by it? Action is the reward of knowledge. Knowledge unused is no knowledge.

@Judek2: [quote]I am not come to "destroy", but to "fulfil". By "the law" is meant the moral law, as appears from the
whole discourse following: this he came not to "destroy", or loose men's obligations to, as a rule of walk and conversation, but "to fulfil" it; which he did
doctrinally, by setting it forth fully, and giving the true sense[/Quote]How did he fulfill and set fully the first commandment that God is 1, unseen when you christians take Jesus, a physically seen man as God, even Trinity; Jesus, Ghost and Yahweh?


[Quote]and meaning of it; and practically, by yielding perfect obedience to all its commands,[/Quote]So tell me how you will work the no graven image to agree with the cross?


[Quote]whereby he became "the end", the fulfilling end of it.[/Quote]if this is so that is the benefit of Another Comforter and even less Acts of apostles, the epistles, revelations, Paul?


[Quote]He said,"It is finished" on the cross,thereby fullfiling all that the Prophets wrote about him,and making a good impact of the law to the heart of the believers.[/Quote]He said I finished all that you send me to do at the dinner table, long before the alleged cross. It is finished on the cross is irrelevant to what God sent him to do, there for.


[Quote]Lets see what Isaiah said about Jesus and the law.[/Quote]please keep in mind that Isiah never mentioned the word "Jesus", hence the read into it what you are reading into it is your own making and there is no evidence.


[Quote][Isa 42:21] The LORD is well-pleased for his righteousness' sake, he will magnify the law, and make it honorable.[/Quote]Show me the name Jesus here or do you think this does not better fit the another comforter who is the one that completed everything? Lets think about it.


[Quote]He wont destroy or abolish it,but make it honorable. And fullfiling it in the heart of those that accepted it.[/Quote]But Paul abolished it? What do you thin about that now that you can eat pork? And no evidence that Isiah was talking about Jesus here. Check it out. I want his name in black and white.


[Quote]How did he go about it?

I just have to paste on two occations.
[john 8:7] So when they continued asking him,he lifted up himself,and said unto them,he that is without sin among you, let him cast a stone at her.[/Quote]But you said Jesus didnt have any sin, why didnt he cast the lone stone to demonstrate this?


[Quote]according to the law,an adultress should be stoned.so here, we can observe that,
1)He didnt abolish the Law,
2)he didnt subject to the law,
3)he moderated the it,and made it good and not strict.
thus he has fullfiled it for those that accepted it.[/Quote]What does this act do to the act of adultery, except to say there is no punishment for it? Is that not destroying the laws and the prophets? Look at what Muhammad [as] did in the same situation: 4 witnesses who actually saw the private parts/organs in contact and they have to swear 3 times each that they were telling the truth. then swear 1 time each that if they lie against the accused, the anger of God be upon them. then the accused will be the last and most important witness on earth for or against him or herself; the accused will swear 3 times that he/she did not commit the illegal sex that the witnesses did not see what they said that they saw. then he/she will swear 1 time that if he/she lied about what he/she was accused of the wrath of God is upon him/her. If the accused does this, he/she is free to go unpunished leaving the Decision to God. The people who accused him/her are to left in the state of humiliation as if they were liars and no one will accept their evidence, ever. you see how comprehensive is the action of the another comforter; cautioning everyone from accusing anyone and at the same time creating an avenue of mercy because people will fear accusing others because the accuser may be humiliated even if its true as long as the accused can swear against him/herself. all of these allows justice to be done, still where a person who is not married get whipped while the married get stoned.


[Quote][LUKE 13:14] And the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because that Jesus has healed on the sabbath day, and said unto the people, There are six days in which men ought to work: in them therefore come and be healed,and not on the sabbath day.
And the Lord said,thou Hypocrite, doth not each one of you on sabbath loose his ox or his Bottom from the stall, and lead him away to watering?[/Quote]How did Jesus become lord here when you cant even tell us where in the Bible he says I am your Lord or your God, instead he said "Oh Israel, your Lord and my Lord is but One God"?


[Quote]According to the law,no work is to be done on the Sabbath day.

We can also see here that:
1) He didnt destroy/abolish the law
2) he didnt subject to the law.
3) he has moderated it and fullfiled it in the hearts of those that accepted it.[/Quote]Surah Jumu'a; God says to Muhammad [as] tell the people to hurry up to the Friday Prayer and after it go back to their lives and continue to live it. This is the best of improvement.


[Quote]Jesus never subjected and practised the Mosaic laws,he used it to teach them and prepare them to accept the law of the heart, which is mainly in work with our conscience, And ministered by the holy Spirit to judge between good and bad.[/Quote]If Jesus warned people not to abolish the laws and the prophets, what do you think is the state of the bible reader person who abolish what Jesus said not to abolish? What is the level of honesty of the person who says Jesus was under the laws and the prophets especially the 10 Commandments of Moses, since Jesus did not change a single one of the 10, never claimed he was God or made a graven image, etc, or even ate pork?

@Davidylan: Is God of the jews so selfish that He made a wholesome law for the jews and abandoned all the other humans created by Him? Is making Good God's Law universal now plagiarization? What if God gave it to him, just as God told Moses that He is One and commanded Jesus to say "Your Lord and my Lord is but One God"?

Either Jesus was under the law of Moses always, and in doing good deeds, he was able go ahead to do good even on sabbath, or Jesus was not telling the true as he said that he came to fulfill the laws and the prophets and no one should encourage anyone to disregard the laws and the prophets. Which one is it?

The understanding of the laws and the prophets upon Jesus fulfilling them is that they should not be abolished because it was valid upon everyone after Jesus, until the another comforter will be given the authority by God telling him to abolish it, partially, wholly or keep it intact. None of you people have the right, but the another comforter has the right which he spoke in loud voice to man; you will find that in the Quran given to Muhammad [as] the another comforter. Example of what he abolished; you can eat the hindquarter of cattle which Jacob had prohibited himself and his children adopted it. But God didnt prohibit on him and definitely not on you and your community of believers, oh Muhammad [as].