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@Plippville: [Quote]John 14:26) But the Comforter, who is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.[/Quote]Is this all you wish to present of the Another Comforter? LEts just assume that there is no other verse to your liking about the Another Comforter in the Bible.

reading the verse you quoted, one quickly realized that the Another Comforter was supposed to teach the Disciples all things. So name a few of the things the Another Comforter taught the disciples that Jesus didn't teach them, being new things when they were taught? Just few. Pick a number.

we also see that the Another Comforter was to bring all things to the remembrance of the disciples. Remembrance can be not to forget or forget but made to remember it afresh or both. Please list a few of what the voiceless Ghost reminded the disciples who can only hear as in the statement 'let all those who have ears, let him hears'? How bad were the students that they needed reminding so quickly, or was the teacher such a terrible instructor that the Another Comforter must now come to perform the impossible without a voice when he was supposed to be a hearing and speaking aloud entity?

I want to know because this is your chance to make the faith that you have shine. No be word of mouth without proofs. I need proofs, woman.
Nothing do you. Talk jor.

@Drstan: #1 on: Today at 04:13:58 PM »
Thank you for responding. But please thick to the topic or move on. You should have been able to follow the appeal of the op to all responding persons. Then, again, wisdom may not be so easy to acquire.


[Quote]Now i know,why d bible say my people perish bekus of lack of knowledge,.@postar luk Jesus is in koran. And d koran said Jesus is blemless,.bt mohammed is not in d bible why? Ok d bible said i wil send u a conforter that wil be with u even to d end, the conforter is the holy ghost, which is a spirit being that live in evry beliver,[/Quote]This was not promised to anybody else except the 12 disciples, if we go by the Bible. If we go by your statement, the Bible is incorrect.


[Quote], GOD, JESUS ,AND HOLY SPIRIT are one, let me xplain, we human bein we ar three in one, if u dont know. Our soul, our body(flesh) and our spirit,[/Quote]We are not three. We are two Body which is physical and soul which is spiritual. Tell me the characteristics of soul versus spirit if they are not one and the same as body and physical flesh are to each other? Further, you need to explain to us which carry of the soul and spirit carries the body that if it leaves the boy and the other remains the body will fall and become lifeless.


[Quote]. So the conforta is d spirit nd He comunicate with our spirit,[/Quote]But your Bible says the Another comforter will hear from God as He will give the Another Comforter what to say and the another Comforter will say it, exactly without adding any words to it. How is your spirit that does not have a voice going to talk to man who hears only with his ears? After all God in heaven has voice because He spoke to many human prophets. Jesus your human god had voice the only means that the 4 gospel-ers were able to record what they recorded for him. Why is your Hoy spirit not with a voice and people could record him for later generations as they did of Moses, etc, and definitely Biblical Jesus?


[Quote].d fact stil remain christianity the light even koran confirm it.[/QUote}Quran does not confirm Christianity to be light the same way it does not confirm Judaism or any religion except Islam to be the Light. Quran does not call Jesus or his companions, the disciples christians. In fact it says Jesus was a muslim and so were his awariyuun. If you can find a place in the Quran where Jesus and or his disciples were called Christians you have won me over.


[Quote] Why is it that when a muslim convert to christian the person life wil b in danger, his muslim cantapat wil be against him, bkus he wil go out there to xpose the hiden trut in d koran,[/Quote]But the Quran is in the hands of ordinary people. Whats the hidden danger in it? Show me and I will expose it myself. I have been on earth long enough that Islam stands firm against all tests and wins.


[Quote] so many islamic scholar hav seen d hiden trut and they hav bak out,[/Quote]Name a handful among the so many. Please give us checkable references.


[Quote] .bt sum stil remain bkus of d treat of there life,[/Quote]You live in the jungle among wild beast that you have to lie like this? Everyday, we see people coming in to Islam, at a higher velocity than the ones going out. The whole world have muslims not your wild jungle where you are the only human there the reason you are making this false statement.


[Quote] many muslim ar afraid to bak out bkus of there life wil be in danger, i know u knew dat, bt d fact stil remain clear[/Quote]I dont know that because the western countries, especially in the americas, in spite of all the gimmicks, people are discovering Islam and loving it. Please sir, stick to the topic and you can write in your texting syle. But stick to the topic or you are out of here.[/quote]

[Quote]This shows that thier allah is a"Chameleon" Allah taught Love with Jesus[/Quote]And earlier taught War to Moses. Please dont forget Moses because came to obey the laws of Moses.


[Quote] and then after taught Violence and blood share with Muhammed what a confused allah![/Quote]But taught measure retaliation and measured love to Muhammad [as].

Conclusion; Allah dealt with evil Pharaoh by crushing him by the stick of Moses.

Allah dealt with lost sheep of the house of Israel by calling them back by the meekness of Jesus, who prepared them for the arrival of the Another Comforter.


Since the house of Israel has lost to the house of Ishmael his uncle, Allah dealt with mankind without tribal preference by the person of Muhammad [as] who was described as the means of forgiveness and mercy [read the end of Chapter 9 of the Quran].

^Is the Bible the life of Jesus? Why then is the life so disjointed especially the varied narratives of the same incident by the gospel writers? I see why there is no Gospel of Jesus and surprisingly, Jesus was never called Immanuel.

The reason hadith/sunnah, commentaries must be used to explain the huge information carried by verses of the Quran is the same reason there was the Another Comforter. I opened a thread on that already.You are welcome to contribute without being off topic.

Muslims quote the Bibles to point out to you where you are wrong about God, His Angels, His Books, His Messengers/Prophets, etc.

We do not quote the Bible among ourselves because the Quran is Sufficient with the Hadith and Sunnah making it clear and very easy to follow.

This past month, I started a thread encouraging the Christians to preach Christianity to us the Muslim and by it try to convince us to convert to Christianity. We asked that they present or argue this case using their Bible and sound logic and reason. They christians failed to accomplish this effort, squandering such a great opportunity to win souls for Jesus or whoever they want to win souls for.

I guess the carrot came with a big stick. The stick was that they let us ask questions that they must answer directly without being evasive, using their usual claim of you must believe. No one can make me believe without sound evidence. I am not blind and God has created for me wisdom and a heart and the mind [my essence anchored in my soul] to know that spirituality is a thing evidence.

If the christians have offered the same opportunity to us in Islam, we would have talked to them from Quran and its explanation from the master of mankind; Muhammad [as] the only prophet sent to mankind and not just a local people, a tribe, a nation, a region.

Now I am asking the Christians to please without veering away from the focus of this thread to tell us who was the Another Comforter promised by Biblical Jesus, considering the function and duties of the said Another Comforter?

Was this Another Comforter The Holy Ghost as claimed by the Christians or something else, but not the Ghost, but a human being, sent to human beings?

How did the Holy Ghost accomplish the function and duties, especially when the Another Comforter was to be a hearing and speaking and commanded by God to action on man?

Is this obvious subordinate to God also God or a messenger, a creation a human being? Please tell us why we must forget what the Bible says that Jesus said of the person and duties of the Another Comforter relative to God and His Intention for man.

Jesus was supposed to return so soon, he said to the disciples. The time he returns, some of them will still be alive. Is there any of them alive, today or is the measure time of Jesus so faulty we have to say he was wrong, yet again as he did about John being Elijah or was it John who didn't know who he himself was, after Jesus had declared John as the greatest prophet for Israel?

Lets take over 2000 years and still counting since we do not now when Jesus will return, contrast that to a mere 620 years after Jesus. Which one is on time and which one is still pending, while to God a day is like 50, 000 years?


Please tell me about The Another Comforter, with sound argument and direct quote about him from the Bibles. Is he a ghost meant for the 12 disciples and no one else [and if later generations were to benefit from what he served, the disciples must pen it down as the "penned" down the gospels. Where is the Gospel of Jesus? I want it in Original]? Or was the Another Comforter meant for all mankind, believers and through him the disbelievers will become believers, acting as the mercy under the Mercy of God?

Can we argue that the Another Comforter was not a man, since the former Comforter, Comforters were from Mankind? Why should Jesus as a former comforter be a man and the another comforter that his prophesy was about be a Ghost? Is that Ghost that cant talk talk to man?

Is that Ghost that must hear from God so that he can do what he is assigned to do have to be God, since the Christians claim that the Ghost is God, too?


I beg you; Don't derail this thread. If you cant defend this cancer in your religion, leave it alone and die with it. It is better than you telling us that you are not sick when we see that you are in a coma.


WE THE MUSLIMS WILL ASK YOU QUESTIONS. WE WILL USE YOUR BIBLE MOSTLY TO TALK ABOUT THE ANOTHER COMFORTER.

@Frosbel: too long. it kills the interest of potential readers.

advise; make many short posts and tell the gorilla that is posting his relatives the two monkeys to let you finish posting before his yapping begins.

@Plappville: « #92 on: Today at 07:33:26 PM »
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from @LagosSia;you presented verses where Jesus is said to have told his disciples he would die and rise.but there is one verse in John where the disciples after the alleged "crucifixion" do not look like people who knew what would happen:

John 20:9
For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.

Of course the disciples had no expectation of Jesus Christ rising from the dead.[/Quote]let me laugh loud here, sweetie [this will make her not be mad when i speak my mind, since she is probably a push over]. if what you ahve written is correct, Jesus is either a bad teacher leader spiritual guidance, or the disciple are pure wowo with no scintilla of faith, belief, trust in jesus [they are so different from the followers of prophet Muhammad [as]]. from the above about the doubts of the disciples, who can believe anything that comes from? and no wonder Paul took over seeing how unsure they are, a newcomer can say anything and they will believe it.



[Quote]We read that that, His disciples on the road to the Emmaus said in reference to Jesus, Luke 24:21)But we hoped that it was he who should have redeemed Israel: and besides all this, today is the third day since these things were done. ,[/Quote]A dashed hope since Israel was not redeemed and there was no three nights. Count it. If you get 3 days and 3 nights, a present awaits you.



[Quote]The Bible says their faces were downcast, it shows they were depressed and did not know what to think since Jesus had been killed.[/Quote]your condition is just like the onishango of yorubaland. their god was killed too. do you know that?



[Quote]But after the resurrection of Christ, the disciples became very bold and courageous.[/Quote]Was Jesus bold too, since all we read was his walking in the shadows, afraid not to be "killed" again? If the master is hiding, do you really think the followers will be bold?



[Quote] They even spoke about the resurrection without fear to the Sanhedrin.[/Quote]Did they tell the killers, considering that they saw the master hiding? Coward dies many death.



[Quote] What do u think might have caused this change in them @lagosshia? Since Jesus had appeared to them in his resurrection body, they were convinced of the truth of the resurrection.[/Quote]Did Jesus appear to everyone including the "killers"? Really, the people who killed should be the one who he should have shown his face, not the people who ran away and knew nothing of what happened.



[Quote] Even Peter,[/Quote]The same Peter that was "satan"?



[Quote] who had denied Christ three times, began to fearlessly proclaim the resurrection of Jesus Christ and did so until he, like many of the other apostles, died for his faith.[/Quote]And Jesus was reported to have said, if you live by the sword you will die by the sword. Consider the death of the people and what were what they lived by to have died like they did; hung, beheaded, etc?



[Quote] The prove that, despite what it had cost them, they had to die in the fact of His crucification and resurrection.[/Quote]remember none of them witness either because they ran in the first case and the 3 days and 3 nights could not be calculated from friday afternoon to sunday morning.



[Quote] So u can believe what Muhammed say if u want, but it wont change this fact.[/Quote]The facts are; there were no 3 nights in the belly of the earth even if we take caves to be the belly of the earth. there was no unchallengeable evidence that the man was hung. to say that he was hung is a proof that God was against him, considering that he prayed to and beg God against it. the fact is that he had people with weak faith with him and his recommending the Another Comforter to be the chairman as the one after him that will set things in concrete shows that the Another Comforter has more right over everyone, including Jesus than Jesus had right over himself or anyone. The absolute fact is that it is human God sent to human as messenger to deliver divine message of God. Muhammad [as] was the last Messenger to mankind.

@brentkruge; « #51 on: Today at 05:53:38 PM »
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we are told in the Quran Allah is the God of Adam,Noah,Abraham,Moses,Jesus and Muhammad (sa).you keep claiming you are not christians but you cling on to the argument of "other texts".if you are not christian,then open a thread and discuss islam from your POV.you are discussing in this thread which was created by a christian to attack Islam.so you'd be treated the same way as the OP.

The topic of the tread is clear WHO IS THIS ALLAH?

I used to be a Muslim. From where I am coming from this topic is of tremendous interest. I have studied Christianity and Islam. Islam is like a cancer that is causing so much trouble in the world. My not being a Christian is not an issue at all if the discussion is based on the TRUTH and what IS.

As long as its an open discussion I will join in, refer any text I choose because as a world citizen I have felt first hand the effects of Islam. So prepare for my intervention as someone who was once on the inside. Tongue[/Quote]Your name is interesting as in north sea brent and kroger. tell me about Islam. something i don't know. many men say all the palava of this world is borne upon women. men are saying it, especially the bible readers. then many others, not including me thank God because i know the sweetness of women. But then women are the most essential specie on earth. do we get rid of women as you wish to get rid of Islam while both of them are misunderstood by evil mind among men, but in actuality both are the carriers of goodness; women, nurturer, the fragrance of beauty [they calm my nerves for sure], mothers, pleasing to the eyes if she is yours, while Islam perfects good manners, ability to be close to God without intermediaries like the hindus, etc, etc, etc [christians, etc], etc, etc. Islam humbles you and gives you rest of mind an gladness of heart. But then in spite of the qualities of women, you will have from her rank some who are not motherly, not attractive like the full moon, etc so it is not surprising that we have some people who are bad in spite of their saying that they are muslims.

mehn, tell me something i don't now. i have been on earth long enough to know that if a single person is cloned to an un-person like you, to a hindu, to a jew, to a christian and to a muslim at the same time, in every stage of true faith in obedience, getting along with others, morality, cleanliness, etc, etc, the muslim specie will be the number one in every good quality and will be the last in every bad quality.

lepa is a liar. she is probably too orobo to see clearly. ha ha [simpson cartoon]. you need glasses alice to see. an imam of the haram masjid is dark as a charcoal. so you opinion is banza. ha ha to you again.

Is there a proof anywhere that Isaac was the sacrificed son, considering the lie that he was the only son, when he had a big brother, unless we are saying he is the only son of his mother, but definitely not his father's? we should also note that his mother is not the Friend of God nor the one God had agreement of covenant with [what is that covenant, christian people? i bet you don't know it, considering whatever you say will be spiritually empty].

God didn't name isaac, it was his mother who he was the apple of her eyes that named him, while God named Ishmael the true apple of the eyes of Abraham, the Friend of God, considering that the bible writers could not write out Ishmael from their history so much so that they had to mention that he buried his father [one wonders if his father truly abandoned him, how did he know when his father died and was able to participate in his burial, while the same is not said of Esau the deceived brother of Jacob?].

how does a man was patient, never lost his place or sold his 'birth right [i bet the jews are regretting that they didn't say Ishmael too sold his birth right, instead they show that he was able to connect with his father up to the father's burial], suddenly is not the only child of his father for sometime before the younger brother was born, and thank God nothing evil predicted in the Bibles happened to him rendering the angels and the gods of the bibles powerless, while Allah protected the lad?

where was the spot of the attempt to slaughter isaac while hajj and most of its rites were the remembrance the event of the attempt to slaugher Ismail [as] in Makka?

Judek2 has witnessed against himself and we are all witness to it. I hope you know how to wear sunshade in the hotter creation than just the sun?

And the Bible didn't tell us what instruction about religion Abraham gave to his sons [or did he tell them nothing or was he instructed to give Ishmael no religion and skip Isaac, too?], or what Jacob told his children since it seems to me that Isaac was not really important, not being the father of the jews, but Jacob was through his son Judah, while it was Joseph that was most important.

considering the lack of direction of the bible, even choosing christianity, a religion Jesus didn't practiced or sanction [and the church comes to mind, an idea Jesus did not propagate considering how he worshiped God and where he worshiped Him in such a profound way; washing up, standing, bowing, prostrating all night long], we see how one is led in the way of the prophets as jews and christians, when Abraham was neither of the two.

from verses 113 down to 127: And We blessed him and Isaac. But among their descendants is the doer of good and the clearly unjust to himself.[quote][/Quote]We see here that the doer of good maybe believer or just just doer of good in spite of disbelief. the doer of good who is a disbeliever can actually act correctly like the jews who declared from their website that Ishmael was the child of sacrifice, but their ethnic tradition may just prevent them from reverting to Islam. let me give you an example of ethnic pride; last week, i called a jewish friend and our conversation went to many things that we have in common about our private lives. then he said that we should hire many jews because they are very smart [a true statement, even not all smart people are jews and not all jews are smart]. then he added, 'i'm kidding'. i didn't respond to his jews are smart or the i'm kidding one after it. i ignored the statements, tuning him off and counting it on his older age because even if it is true, it is inappropriate to tell me. Alhamdulillah that many jews entered Islam in the lifetime of the messenger [as] and there are jews now and never a time we do not have jewish blood entering Islam.

the doers of evil who are clearly unjust to themselves from the children of Isaac will definitely are disbelievers and do no good and while the christians regard them as the holders of their salvation, while they are eager to kill them when jesus return on convert or die. the muslims however know that the tribe you belong to will not help you, but your true belief in God and obedience to Him honoring Him which is His Right and doing good for His Pleasure will.



37:114 And We did certainly confer favor upon Moses and Aaron.

[Quote]37:115 And We saved them and their people from the great affliction,

37:116 And We supported them so it was they who overcame.

37:117 And We gave them the explicit Scripture,

37:118 And We guided them on the straight path.

37:119 And We left for them [favorable mention] among later generations:

37:120 "Peace upon Moses and Aaron."

37:121 Indeed, We thus reward the doers of good.[/Quote]Signs of Allah in Absolute Power and indication that Moses, etc were muslims though children of Israel [mere nations like Ghana, Senegal, etc].

[Quote]« #15 on: Today at 02:23:30 AM »

Quote from: LagosShia on Today at 02:12:45 AM
The Encyclopaedia Judaica says:

In the tale of binding (surah 37:99-110) Muhammad identified the son who was to be sacrificed as Ishmael and, indeed, the opinion of the traditionalists were also divided on this subject. It is related that a renowned traditionalist of Jewish origin, from the Qurayza tribe, and another Jewish scholar, who converted to Islam, told that Caliph Omar Ibn cAbd al-cAzîz (717-20) that the Jews were well informed that Ismail was the one who was bound, but that they concealed this out of jealousy. The Muslim legend also adds details of Hajar (Hagar), the mother of Ismail. After Abraham drove her and her son out, she wandered between the hills of al-Safa and al-Marwa (in the vicinity of Mecca) in search for water. At that time the waters of the spring Zemzem began to flow. Her acts became the basis for the hallowed custom of Muslims during the Hajj.
Encyclopaedia Judaica, Volume 9, Encyclopaedia Judaica Jerusalem, pp. 82 (Under 'Ishmael').


It is interesting that rather than quote the quran directly, you prefer to go look in the encyclopedia of the jews? Grin

Did Surah 37 really identify the son as ishmael? No it didnt![/Quote]Yes it did by saying then we announce the news of the future birth of Isiaq [as].

Verse 112; And We gave him good tidings of Isaac, a prophet from among the righteous.

You need to get a new heart that is not so diseased like the one you have in your unyielding breast.

^ the only way for you miracle workers in his name to be rejected. don't forget that. and if you are not a miracle worker in his name your condition is even worse. either way you lose.

@Poster; www.islamtoday.com is a good start.

the pastors are shy about what trinitarian God did in sodom and gomorrah and even the injunction of thou shall not commit illegal sex.ual acts? shy about worshiping anything on earth etc? shy about many many things except when a poor girl says i am a winch for Jesus that it is rain slaps.

[Quote]« #54 on: January 09, 2012, 04:22 PM »

Quote from: ivoice247 on January 09, 2012, 04:15 PM

@davidylan, i understand your misconception about islam but the truth is ISLAM TRULY PREACHES PEACE but Islam encourages us not to tolerate evil. Islam also preaches an eye for an eye, a life for a life but if you forgive, then that's better. Don't mind the so called evil people on the land claiming to be bombing in the name of islam, they are inhabitants of hell-fire as the quran has stated.

Because many pastors in the western world support lesbianism, does that mean christianity supports it too? Use this statement as a yardstick to judge islam. Don't judge islam on what some ignorant illiterate boko haram members or terrorists are doing; they are going to hell-fire if they do not repent before they die. Read below a quote from the quran;-

And make not Allah's (Name) an excuse in your oaths against your doing good and acting piously, and making peace among mankind. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower (i.e. do not swear much and if you have sworn against doing something good then give an expiation for the oath and do good).
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #224)

And when it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "We are only peace-makers."
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #11)

and how many pastors are openly calling for the slaughter of lesbians? Undecided Another dishonest islamobot trying hard to justify islamic violence while pretending to be all about "peace".[/Quote]Yahweh killed them in Sodom and Gomorrah and even killed the wife of prophet Lot for "looking back". But the christian will not act accordance to what God [Ellah of Jesus did]. Even Jesus whopped many a behind of old money traders and called many a nation and many a tribe dogs, adulterous, vampire, etc. No to the christian goons, like the one in highlight, Yahweh is gentle and not punishing even as He has created lake of fire already and Jesus [as Him] is even more gentle that he will not hurt a fly. Maybe they forgot his chasing the money exchangers from his fathers house. sorry from his own house, considering he is his own father and also the ghost that did the work to make his mother pregnant; overshadowing her and coming upon her. This scenario is so confusing. I wonder how a male needs to overshadow and come upon a female and baby came out of it except it is se.x?

^Are you not among mankind that must see hell, then in your case as a non muslim be herded into it in Surah Maryam? did you consider the christian saints are in hell when Jesus 'was in hell'? you need to study your bibles.

it is reported that Aisha [ra] perfumed what she wanted to give as Sadaqah [a lesser Zakat].

and it is reported that Ali [ra] gave sadaqah [a lesser zakat] while in prostration.

How difficult is it to give so that your heart gets purified especially when you a believer in what God says about zakat and its purifying effect? and what you give is a small amount of the excess tat you manage to safe meeting a thresh hold of the monetary value of xyz amount of silver? Allah says to Muhammad [as] to take as a mercy from what they have as left over so that their person and properties will be purified.

when you are purified, you clearer that what you used to be. purer, i say. and this is a spiritual purification. so muslims are ransomed from filth


if charity doesn't save souls from hell [we see why the saints were in hell already before Jesus got there], no wonder Jesus will even condemn to hell miracle workers [houdini magic] performing miracle in his name. head or tail, you lose, mehn.

[Quote]Quote from: davidylan on Today at 02:50:16 PM
Of course!

If you're in doubt pls ask a muslim to explain the Abrahamic sacrifice that is an islamic rite today WITHOUT recourse to the bible.[/Quote]In the pages of the Quran one will read the dialogue of Ibrahim with his only son at a time and definitely his first son, loyal enough to be able to say that his father will find him by the help of Allah to be a patient slaughter. Did I mention that Allah then says that He called out to Ibrahim that he has fulfilled his dream and the son has been ransomed with a ram from heaven [created and sent for his occasion]? Did I also mention that Allah says that the event is commanded as an everlasting annual event in remembrance of Ibrahim and his obedience to Allah and that it was after this that the birth of Isaaq was promised for the future and then Yaquub was also promised as a nafila; a gift from mercy. By the way muslim make nafila salaah which is only contribution but neither compulsory like the 5 daily prayers or obligated like the sunnah prayer of salatul subh. Let me stop here because i do not want you guys to have a headache from too much information, considering that the process of hajj is explained in hadith [a science that explains verses of the Quran], and that there are chapters named Ibrahim, Ambiyya, Muminu, Hajj where you will find these information[s].



[Quote]Or second, ask a muslim to describe Ishmael SOLELY from the pages of the quran.[/Quote]Surah baqarah, imran, nissa, hud, ibrahim, ambiyya, maryam, etc contain bits and pieces of information to give a picture of this man who was so reliable that he will never go back on his word. And thank God many jewish rabbi will point to the fact at he was never a man who gave in to rancor, wondering how Sarah was therefore his enemy, except the lying Bible writers had to create a scenario to justify their evil intent. Olboy did he ever behaved like the ass that your God promised or he turned out blessed like your God promised? Frosbel, that is a question for you; head you lose, tail you lose.



[Quote]Quote from: frosbel on Today at 02:46:56 PM
In all my years of debating Muslims worldwide, I have never seen any other set of religious people who use the Bible so unashamedly to justify their religion and in many cases support the validity of Prophet Muhammad.[/Quote]Wat about the jews? lol. They dont use the l, wondering aloud what frosbel thinks OT is? Ewu. Let me help you olboy. In the Bible, we see words of God because it mirrors whats in the Quran. In the Bible we see words of the prophets, it may mirror what is said about the prophet in the Quran and or Hadith. In the Bible we see words of others, say Paul and John and others for example. It is not in the Quran or hadith and we find these portions of the Bible unacceptable. At best we can just ignore it. At worse we confront you with the truth and your lies are shamed.



[Quote]Why do Christians not use the Quran to validate Jesus or any prophet for that matter.[/Quote]Same reason the Jews dont use the NT to validate Moses or Jacob, etc.



[Quote]Is the Quran incomplete hence it's constant and sometimes almost berserkly desperate reference to the Bible ?[/Quote]Ah. It is not plagiarism today. MashaAllah. What is needed in the Quran that you have in the Bibles? The Trinity; Or Thalatha?



[Quote]please help me , somebody.

First lets  set the record straight, the Muslim only quotes the bible when debating with a christian or a jew, otherwise muslims have no  need of the bible. The theology, Laws and precepts of Islam are all set out in the Glorious Qur'an, hadiths and Books of Islamic jurisprudence. Islamic Law is absolutely complete without recourse to the bible.

IMO, Muslims quote the bible during debates with   christians because obviously the christian does not beleive in the Qur'an.
Also, the bible is riddled with so many internal contradictions there by providing the muslim with ample ammunition to confront the christian[/Quote]Are you sure about the bold, frosty? Muslim uses your bibles to ridicule you; letting you know that you have a mix bag of truth all the way to absolute falsehood. I remember the british Sheikh Green who was going to debate a christian and he took a bag load of Bibles, telling the christian to pick the true Bible from them, rendering the rest corrupt, half the battle from the get go. And you know that you are like a foam or surfs on the surface of the ocean in tide.

when muslim gives money he needs to make his hand be below the hand that will take it.

this is different from your charity of "the hand that gives is higher than the hand that takes".

have you paid your tithes mr stingy or you want adeboye to come give you some slaps? he will tell you do you know who you are talking to.
he probably add a measured pick in the behind for you realizing that you are worse than the "i am a winch" for Jesus girl.

he is gonna assume that you are a truly bent rib, hard as a nail and rougher than a stone. he will receive revelation on you [and the christians are still receiving revelations, a proof that Jesus was not even the author or finisher of their faith].

^^^^^^^^^^^ poor soul, what do you know about zakat, a thing you never have done in your entire life?

^^^^^^^^^^^ Some people do not use their marbles.

Muhammad [as], Islam, neither needs jews to survive. Allah says in His Revelation, Ibrahim was not a jew or christian, but a believer in Islamic monotheism, a muslim and did not add god [holy spirit, son of god, mother of god, ifa, etc zeus, etc, etc] to God.

is it not clear that even Adam [as] had a religion or do you people think he didn't and did not worship God? Obedience is worship.

@Frosbel: lol. I am so happy that you need help because your confusion will become a thing of the past, if you let your heart and soul worship God and not the gods you are worshiping.

[Quote]Quote from: frosbel on Today at 02:42:48 PM
Can someone help me here.

It is a known historical fact that Abraham offered [b]his precious son Isaac [/b]to God in a show of utter and total loyalty and love. [/Quote]Abraham who is a father already is no more surprise at being a father the second time. Ishmael is precious to Abraham the same way Isaac is precious to Sarah. each son is the one that makes the specified parent, parent either as father for the first time making the boy the only son to the father before any other child is born, or son of the mother who was her only son. Do we say second son is better than the first, who was the only son? I think your jewish mind is forged up the reason second and weaker children are always your number one or anchor, instead of the strong and truly the elder. i will ignore the love and loyalty parts.



[Quote]We also can deduct from this event that God in his most infinite wisdom used this event as a pointer to his own complete sacrifice of his ONLY son on the cross for the sins of mankind.[/Quote] who is the Sarah here and how is it motherless and now the father is important? the jews are jews because of mother's blood. papa, maybe but for sure mother is known, yet neither Adam nor eve had a mother and or father in the sense Jesus had Mary, his mother. Is Mary now the wife of Biblical God, Jesus came by creation process, as command Power of God, just like each of creation? Did Abraham kill his son or the boy was saved, spared? God saved His Friend's son but killed His own son? Are you for real? Ah. The second son of His Friend is the Only son because the first son who was the ONLY son is not his seed [seed means semen]. You see how terrible things have become?



[Quote]Additionally Isaac was called the child of promise not Ishmael.[/Quote]Who made this statement? The God that created and named Ishmael? The God that promise to make him father of nations? How was he blessed? You think by the darn crude oil, because America has oil, so is Canada, Mexico, Nigeria, Ghana, etc? Islam is the blessing because it is Islam that has made each one of you have a bad belly. The greatest blessing is worship of God and we in Islam are the foremost in worship of God



[Quote]What I still cannot get my head round is the audacity of Muhammad to turn this event on it's head and change the story to suit his Ishmael narrative.[/Quote]And you have a big head. I am sure if isaac was from the same mother with his big brother, he would have been holding his heel, too.  



[Quote]My questions is :

1. If Ishmael was indeed the sacrificial son, then what was the logic behind this event for the future of mankind.[/Quote]PAtience, perseverance and hope and trust God is enough as your Protector. Incidentally, according to you the Biblical God did not protect jesus who begged, and hope but his trust was betrayed by making his prayers hopelessly lost. The logic in your thinking is so flawed that I laugh in oguta local government dialect.



[Quote]2. How could the child of a slave woman usurp the position of the child of a free woman , in this case, the wife of Abraham.[/Quote]Is the position of the child of one woman not the same with the mother and the position of the child with the father is in the order of birth to the father? My father's first child was the son from the second wife, while the second son is the only son of the first wife. The second son never became the first child or the only son of my father [May Allah forgive my father, my step mothers and my big brothers who have passed as muslims, all the muslims who have passed from my family, and my world wide Islamic family. Amin].

Sign that Ishmael [as] was the sacrificed son, even from your Bible; Sarah would never had let Abraham alone with the boy so much so that he carried knife, rope, etc and sarah didn't say what are you doing? And then walked away with the boy?
The jews celebrate all kinds of mundane events in their lives, but conveniently leave out this epic event, indication that it is not Isaac or he is not important to them like Jesus while Jacob is. No wonder God didn't name Isaac by named Ishmael, while it was sarah that saw isaac as a source of laughter.

Let me stop here.

[Quote]« #9 on: Today at 12:41:22 PM »
You cowards and despicable sons of satan irritate me sometimes.[/Quote]I guess our father is from this list; Peter the companion of Jesus, Jim Jones, David Koresh of the branch davidian, david who sent a man to die so that he can confiscate his widow already pregnant for him. you darn adulterous soul seeking after sign and miracle. one 3 days and 3 nights in a baseball dug out, or cave is for you.



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 12:08:14 PM
let me take a leaf from the christians about christian and christianity.
no true muslim knowing what Islam says about anything evil will support boko haram or any group that does evil.

So where are the "true muslims" shouting, carrying banners and speaking out boldly against boko haram? Have they all gone on the hajj?[/Quote]chilled mind. is every protest must include the listed above? how about discouraging others from joining, etc? the president is a christian and he is charged with law and order and security of nigeria. i think his inactive against boko haram is a support for the evil doers. after all he is the man that legally can command the miliatry and other to crush them and their political supporters; all of them to me, including the president are evil doers.



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 12:08:14 PM
of course, in Islam, unlike other ways or religions there are rules and also exception to any rule.

you mean your al taqiya?[/Quote]Is my above al taqiya? what shall we call when slapped in one cheek, turn the other [espceially if boko haram or oyedepo is the slapper]? you are probably not a witch but a witch for Jesus. Ewu. and i am not even talking about the lamb who whipped the old money changers out of the town [the courtyard next to the temple, not next to the church].



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 12:08:14 PM
and the christian soldiers urinated on dead non chrtistians in afghanistan. what will Jesus do or say moment considering that he whipped a few old men and say vile things to nations and tribes, even low graded his mother.

[b]The US government is investigating at the moment with the intention of prosecuting[/b], court martialling and potentially jailing the affected soldiers. So what was your point again? Would Iran suspend a soldier caught urinating on a US soldiers corpse? You people are the worst of the human specie.[/Quote]While I am not for iran, i can bet you a nickel that they will not urinate on a dead body 'if the soldier is a true muslim since Islam forbids abuse of corpse". I remember watching the video of the beginning of the invasion of Iraq. The general who was on the field commanding the ground troop to enter Iraq tod them to forget what was said in basic training because this is war. no wonder a dying man was shot dead to be sure he was dead by a young soldier. and i am not surprise that they peed just now since the rifles have Biblical verses and we are INFIDELS according to the book of Timothy [you need to check it out; your bible that is]. now that was my point. whats your defense, again? I can assure you, no marine will be punished because even according to davidylan, all [tactics] [is] fair in war.

I bet you will return to your gimmick of the lamb of God, my meeeeeeeeeeeeeeh or is it bhah, this time?

And the beginning of the Bible is in Genesis, and the word was only spoken by the Speaker. But in the John's beginning which is more than 2/3 of the bibles, the begin suddenly was the word that must become flesh.

What is the rest of us, if we are not the word also became flesh?

^^^^^^^^^^ Of four [4] gospels, you only use one [1].

what happened to the three [3] gospels? Oh. I see. You don't have a darn thing from it as you do from John to support your idea.

if this was a quiz, you will get F because you did not have the liver to tell the truth knowing fully well that the rest of the gospels do not support your fantasy.

Imagine God dead? Impossible.

let me take a leaf from the christians about christian and christianity.

no true muslim knowing what Islam says about anything evil will support boko haram or any group that does evil.

of course, in Islam, unlike other ways or religions there are rules and also exception to any rule.

and the christian soldiers urinated on dead non chrtistians in afghanistan. what will Jesus do or say moment considering that he whipped a few old men and say vile things to nations and tribes, even low graded his mother.

In one hand, I agree with him about annihilating radicalism.

In the other, I am wondering what concession Palestinians [not the muslims world] needs to make, considering that the oppressors are expected to make concessions so that the oppressed can breathe.

Did the jews make concessions to the Nazi Germans by going to the gas chambers and staying in the concentration camps, whereas such a tactics must be adopted by the palestinian people, today, even though the word and the jews said never again to the plight of the jews at the end of the WW2?

Maybe the christian palestians should make such concessions so that the muslim palestinian can see how its done, how the christians liked it?

^^^^^^^^ that was your question, frosbel? can't you read and follow the instruction, especially this direct? mscheeeeeeeeew.

@Judek2: A true story; Many years ago, a friend took his wife to Nigeria. It was the time of Shagari and Reagan as head of their respective country. So the wife saw the word president was written under the picture of Shagari. She exclaimed in shock "so Reagan is not the president of Nigeria?"

the above statement shows falsehood  of the statement and the lack of understanding of the wife, just like the falsehood of the pagan arabs saying that Allah was father, husband of some gods. The Allah that they never represented with any figure while the gods were.

The husband was shocked that his UCLA educated wife did make such a blunder not understanding the world community that america has a boundary that her presidency does not cover nigeria, similar to the surprise of the muslims to hear the claims of the pagans, since the very first revelation of few verses of Surah Alaq clearly shows that Allah is Independent of all creations.

by the way, at the time of the crucifiction, an incident much earlier, the one on the cross was said to have said Elah, Elah . . . . But the jews who were the crucifictioners said he said Elias. You see.

When the Messenger [as] recited what is in the Quran, the pagans heard what they wanted to hear, the statement you quoted being part of them in your own paganism.

When Jesus [as] at the crucifiction said Elah, Elah, the disbelieving jews who are paganic to what Jesus came with heard what they wanted to hear so that they make fun of him saying that he was calling Elias, while Ellah has accepted and guaranteed his safety by sending the holy spirit Malaika Jibril [as].

Do you see the fault in your statement similar to that of the jews hearing Jesus [as] calling Allah for the help and protection and the pagans listening to the Messenger [as] reciting Surah Najm.