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^^^^^^^^^^^ the same God who can't save himself from the cross? Or the God who didn't the save the one on the cross?

Stan are you okay after the headache subsided?

^^^^^^^^^^^ religion is personal.
I am most responsible for my action.

I am less responsible for the actions of my ward.

I am least responsible for the action of your brothers called boko haram.

Every human being knows from the heart what is good and what is bad. A person who ignores his conscience and opt to do evil, how am I responsible for it when I was not his adviser, and I do not know him?

What the Quran states is clear. What Boko Haram does is completely clear but different from the commandments of God in the Quran.

If the action of Boko Haram is Islamic, you would have found Dr. Abdlatiif Adegbite doing it. No muslim would want to be left behind doing what is Islamic. We would all ave raised one another in doing it as we raise one another in spending in the cause of Allah in Zakat, Sadaqah.

Pastor AIO: how far now?

^^^ darn pagan. I guess you are walking your way through them all; replacing one with another.

@Judek2: Show me the throne of Jesus, even though I know that David was a King. So was his son King Solomon.

I have problem with the story of Mary being attached to Joseph because anyone who knows the semitic culture knows that here will be a dowry set, especially for a virgin. Until the dowry is agreed upon and wedding ceremony takes place, no one can call the future husband and wife husband and wife unless he is lying.

Mr. Judek2, you have lied because your Bible made you so.

^^^^^ i do not want us to walk away from the topic.
However, while you people need a medium to seek forgiveness from God, muslims approach God without any medium.


The one who at the end is forgiven is equal to the one who did not commit sin because both are sinless.

[Quote]"Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him" (Bukhari 9.84.57).[/Quote]This hadith is destroyed and rendered weak by the Quranic verse below;
[Quote]4/137; Those who believe, then reject faith, then believe (again) and (again) reject faith, and go on increasing in unbelief,- Allah will not forgive them nor guide them nor guide them on the way.[/Quote]

I can give you other verses that render your "they will kill him a lie against Islam".

^^^^^^ In my view, he is free to choose his religion and end up in where the adherents of that religion will end up.

Shhhhhhhhh! Quite. The two disbelievers ^^^^^^^^^^ are talking, lying to each other.

How are the christians showing us that Jesus the forgiveness capability of Jesus was not defeated by the sin of "sinning against the Holy Ghost"?

And the death of Jesus has been rendered to be valueless.

While the christians are going under the blood of Jesus and come out still unforgiven, we in Islam boldly approach God Who Jesus worshiped. We humble ourselves and as we ask Him for His Mercy and Forgiveness, He grants us both by His Will.

See. That was easy. And we don't have kill any animal or haul a soul on the cross to achieve this.


Allah is definitely Complete in Ability.

^^^^^^^^^^^^Proo212 is a Poo 101.

Those who are more savvy than you walked away defeated. You are still hanging around taking a lick. You will die in your ignorance, says the Bible. The Bible is talking about all of you since you cant defend Jesus and identify him saying he has proclaimed himself God Who all worship is due.

How is your telling us that Jesus is the Christ the answer pointing to God and Worship?

Christ means Anointed.
Even stone and tree and others are anointed in the Bible.

Do we take them now as God and object of worship?

@Proo212: Posted by: proo212
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Actually now looking at the passage you gave

Surah 21:92
[Quote]"Indeed this, your religion, is one religion, and I (Allah) am your Lord, so worship Me".[/Quote]Indeed The Lord God has spoken.


[Quote]Why did allah need to emphasize that the religion is one?[/Quote]It eliminates any doubt that there is more than One religion sanction by God. You will see by that verse that Judaism and Christianity are in the disbelieving column.


[Quote] Me thinks this is when he got rid of all the idols (300 or 360 depending on who you listen to) in the kabba and chose just one to be worshipped. Think about it some.[/QUote]I have thought about it even some more. My conclusion is that the idols of Makka before Islam returned to it in victory is an extension of Trinity. Now think about this some.

^ The joke is on you because I cant see below.

^^^^^^^^^^ Shouldnt it be a "the gospel of life"? I know its hard to decide which of the 4 is a "The Gospel of Life" since none is the "Gospel of Jesus".

I got you. Fraudster.

@Aletheia; Look up. ^^^^^ thats for you.

[Quote]« #81 on: January 19, 2012, 04:30 PM »

I find the initial post on this thread quite amusing for the following reasons:
Firstly, the poster has an inflated ego and an overblown sense of self-importance; I "LagosShia" Will Embrace Christianity On Two Little Conditions!. Grin Grin Grin Quite amusing really.

Secondly, following Jesus Christ of Nazareth and accepting him as the Lord of Allah and Mohammed is actually an unconditional surrender and death. . .so the OP is quite literally chasing shadows by demanding conditions. You have nothing that is of worth or interest to Jehovah God. Keep your "two little conditions". Not interested.

Thirdly, compared to the Divine Majesty: you are ant-like. . .and you remind me of a certain ant:

The train passes by at 2 o' clock every day according to the schedule. Beside the rail track is an ant colony. There is one ant who doesn't believe that trains exist despite the regular rumblings that occur every day as the train passes by. So one day it crawls on to the rail track and begins to loudly declaim "I dare the train to pass by now". Of course no train passes by, for it is not time according to the schedule. And so the ant repeats this act from time to time until the fateful day when it crawls on to the rail track at just before 2 o' clock. As at other times, it begins: "I dare---". The train passes by at 2 o' clock every day according to the schedule. . .and splat goes the ant.

Of course you will dismiss the answer provided to you in the bible: "Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead." And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked, while others said, "We will hear you again on this matter."
AND "just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment"

The mighty God, even the LORD, hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof.

Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty, God hath shined.

Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people.

Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice.

And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah.
[Psa 50:1-6][/Quote]above is the post of an airhead in Abuja, Nigeria. rise up to the challenge if it is true that Jesus said that he is God and demands any worship from any soul. He copies Psa of king David who he called an adulterer and killer. What has that got to do with if Jesus of NT says he was God and demanded worship from anyone? You know that you are an idolater making a god out of Jesus and worshiping him.

^^^^^^^ And the christians are forcing the muslims to accept 3 gods. Shame on your dishonesty, even though I dislike the actions of muslims in so many instances.

My inlaw Frosbel is avoiding me.

@Olaadegbu; « #45 on: Today at 02:52:44 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 02:12:56 PM
@Olaadegbu: Laa ilaha ila Allah. I weep for your soul.
If Jesus is the end of revelation, why Corinthian, unless Corinthians writer is the Another Comforter who heard from God and spoke to man as Jesus prophesied?
Or was Jesus wrong as he was wrong in his summation that John son of Zacharias was Elijah?
What are you yapping about? Undecided[/Quote]Is the above yapping as you have labelled it so? What will you call the below from you? I assure you that I will respond directly to what is relevant in what you penned.


[Quote]The one you call Isa in your qur'an is not the same Jesus Christ of the Bible.[/Quote]Then the Yahweh of OT is not the Jehovah of NT and neither is Ellah of Jesus.


[Quote] Your Gabriel is different from the angel Gabriel of the Bible.[/Quote]Thank God that the Jew and the Christian have different Gods. We in Islam know that God is One and Holy Spirit is a servant, message carrier for God. The name of our holy spirit is Gabriel and he is an angel. Give me the name of your holy spirit and i know you have called him God, and based on its action we see him as a messenger to Yahweh of the Jews before the advent of Christianity. Remember this holy spirit mounted Mary to produce Jesus?


[QUote] The prophet Elijah in the Bible performed miracles and prophesied,[/Quote]I asked you how did Jesus or John got wrong who John was. You are telling me about the miracle of Elijah. What was the Miracle of Prophet Solomon in the Bible? What was the miracle of Prophet Noah? Or prophet Abraham? What was the miracle of Prophet Job? Or prophet Jonah apart from the 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the whale whereas the Biblical Jesus failed to complete 3 days and 3 nights in a mere cave? What was the miracle of Prophet Zacharias or his son John who Jesus said was the greatest prophet that ever was raised for Children of Israel?
What did anyone of them prophesied?
Here is a miracle of Muhammad [as]: The moon has been split. Let me leave that for you until you open your mouth. I will give you another one from the pages of the Quran.
Here is a prophesy of Muhammad [as]: Islam will reach the farthest corner of the earth. Islam is advancing towards that goal as we speak.


[Quote] what was Mo's prophecy if you say he is your comforter?[/Quote]I gave you one until you will open your mouth. The I will give you another. Look up.


[Quote] How can you prove that Islam is not just another counterfeit of Christianity and Judaism?[/Quote]For one Islam says that God is not 3 but 1. That killed Trinity and destroyed Christianity. And in response to pagan Jews who rejected all prophets lie you rejected Muhammad and re-branded what Jesus came with, Islam says of the Jews that they obey their Rabbis and religious scholars, instead of Obeying God.
both Jews and christians developed their own worships contrary to the process of prophets they claimed to be following worshiped God; Moses and those before him prostrated and bow to God, while Jesus prostrated his face on the ground to his Ellah.

^^^^^^^^^^ Allah says in the Quran that the appointed time will not change.
So what is doing you will catch up with you quicker at the end than catching up with you during the boarding house years, by the difference of years between your age now and age when you suffered from the hands of the white boys that screwed up your head. You are approaching the end by that much difference. The luxury of time to the end has diminished by that much.

Olaadegbu, I will notlet you off the hook so easily. You continue to kill the Trinity by rendering ghost god irrelevant. yet it is this ghost that mounted Mary so that she became mother of Jesus. give me the name of the ghost, since the name of the father is Jehovah to you, and the Name of God is Ellah to Jesus.

I am happy to hear Ellah from the mouth of Jesus that I shouted Yah Allahu as is Allahuyah.

I asked you to explain which prophet and messenger of God did receive any book starting from the acts of apostle to the end of the bibles and why are the gospels so different from one another, if the Bible is the infallible word of 1 God, instead of corruption?

@Judek2: « #2 on: Today at 08:17:30 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 11:49:12 PM
a child who is being beating by his father will not ask calmly the silly question you put forward. The boy will be bawling and saying papa please and i am sorry, i will not do it again.

i see that Abdullah didnt look for God in Yahweh. If he did, He will find what you found, and you preferred Prophet Jesus over him.


Abdullah will soon find out that prophet Jesus was not meek as you think.

Jesus was a warrior because he came with war and sword.

He had no respect for elders, including his mother.

He was bad tempered the reason he ran the money exchangers out of the court yard.

When Abdullah finally is like Jesus, he rule his son's life into the ground. The son will be fortunate if he is not slaughtered before his father by the command of the father.

Oh Christians, I have used only to Bibles to arrive at the above.

Always ranting.
Trying and always to twist my Lord to fit your inhumane and wicked prophet.

Try harder, Cool [/Quote]Instead of me saying the bold to Olaadegbu because of the below, I suck it up and responded in kind with what is above the bold; stop crying like a baby, mehn.

[Quote]Posted by: OLAADEGBU
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Can any Muslim answer this pertinent question?

While being beaten, Abdul’s son asked him, "Papa, is Allah like you?" Hurt and shocked, Abdul began to look for the loving God of creation, and found Him in the Prophet Jesus. This is an emotional tract for Muslims.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gc-EsO8lWg

Does anyone of you aspire to be like him?[/Quote]


[Quote]In JESUS name, the Devil trembles,and Demons cry aloud.[/Quote]The same devil who ran him into the woods called wilderness for 40 days and 40 nights, making sure he was hungry enough to be confused about the season of the fig? The same devil who took him on the top of the mountain, on the cliff, asking him to worship him? You now the devil is still alive till the end of time and the death that Jesus wrestled is still catching up to people? What efforts, what wasted and unsuccessful efforts of Jesus! What failure. You people need to come to the another comforter.


@frosbel; « #3 on: Today at 03:11:34 PM »
{Quote]Quote from: Judek2 on Today at 08:17:30 AM
Always ranting.
Trying and always to twist my Lord to fit your inhumane and wicked prophet.

Try harder, Cool

If he is not ranting the Koran in Arabic , he is busy ranting incoherent nonsense Grin[quote][/Quote]Inlaw, is the above from me any improvement? I am sure you are biting your fingers, right now because you know that you are a disbeiever.

@Olaadegbu; « #43 on: Today at 02:42:50 PM »
[Quote]If God spoke how will you hear Him when you turn a deaf ear to the Holy Spirit?[/Quote]When God spoke to the stiff necked jews, they heard Him as Yahweh, not ask holy ghost. You dont think i take it from your anemic responses, taking ghost as God, a christian concept is different from jewish concept of God. God was able to talk, many times that even that when Jesus was being baptized, a christian concept so much loud was the voice of Jewish God that the people around heard it. How come was ghost voiceless when it comes to christian Gods? I need the name of your ghost God, olaadegbu. I know that if you live till the end of time, you will not be able to provide a name, but you will be quick to provide the name of father God and son God if I ask you.


[Quote] As many as are led by the Spirit of God are children of God.[/Quote]Did the spirit of God lead the children of God who saw the daughters of men and slept with them to produce giants of old? Notice that this grade of children of God behaved like ghost God, both got women pregnant without marrying them or going into them. Such a God and his sons and comrade. Is the spirit of God leading the people who peed on the dead in afganistan? remember these people are christians.


[Quote] Mo the prophet of allah has already misled you into believing that the Holy Spirit is "Gabriel"[/Quote]So give me the name of the Holy Spirit if he is not Gabriel. Don't run away, man. I have your time right now and i need answer. At least Gabriel heard from God and took what he heard to prophets and spoke to them and they in turn spoke to the masses. That is the prophets hearing from God and speaking to man, exactly the way Jesus said it, unless what Jesus prophesied is not fulfilled? Your choice.


[Quote] and now you even think that the Advocate promised is Mo himself.[/Quote]Give me a proper name of your advocate. Mine is Muhammad [as] and his title is a Messenger of God because he heard from God and repeated it to man. Now give me your advocate's name and title.


[Quote] If you don't acknowledge the author of the Bible how do you expect to hear from Him?[/Quote]The bibles discredit its own author because there are many authors and no two bibles are exactly the same and in each bible there are conflicting reports about the same statement or idea. Take the case of God in the OT versus the case of God in the NT and you will find 1 God and 3 Gods in the same Bible. Should I follow 1 God of the jews in OT along with their racist agenda or should I follow the 3 Gods of the christians in NT along with their not fully powerful and incapability to do all things? I rather accept the God of the Quran Who is 1 and capable to do all things alone.


[Quote] You have already denied the Father and the Son does that not make you an anti-christ?[/Quote]Is that what qualifies anyone as antichrist? You have now killed trinity by yourself. Read your bibles to see how astray you are according to what Jesus said.


[Quote]"Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ?[/QUote]Quran; Jesus is the Christ.


[Quote] He is antichrist, that denies the Father and the Son.[/Quote]The Biblical God has sons who slept with daughters of men to produce giants of old. The whole children of Israel are children of Biblical God. There are many begotten sons of the Biblical God. Now to say Biblical God has just 1 son is a lie and you being a liar is an antichrist, Olaadegbu. Nibo mi won ti nje Olaadegbu ni ile yoruba, ogbeni?


[Quote] Whosoever denies the Son, the same has not the Fatherbut) he that acknowledges the Son has the Father also" (1 John 2:22-23).[/Quote]The Jews who your salvation belongs to deny the son. Between this two ideas in NT, which one is lying? These 2 ideas render the NT corrupted.

^^^^ My inlaw, how far, nau?

And Yahweh/Jehovah, Ghost, Jesus have done worse in the effort to protect a tribe of stiff necked tribes while they disrespected them and even killed one.

Jehovah has turned loose the Christians in WW and many more millions have perished. Today you read about over killing of christians who urinated on the corpses of the dead.

My dearest inlaw, my hope is that many become muslims in your village to lead you out of darkness [zhulum] to light [nur].

what is shameful about you is that you are no more in the village. but it is obvious that the village stupidi.ty is etched in you.

I pray that Guidance of God erased it. Amin.

@Olaadegbu: « on: August 24, 2009, 01:59 AM »

[Quote]God, the Creator and Giver of life. Does He speak? Does He care about us? Can we know Him?

Yes! He spoke, He cares and His message for all people tells us how to know Him. 3,500 years ago God began to instruct men to write down His words. Over the next 1,500 years, God continued to speak and 40 different men recorded these messages.

The early writings were called the "Law" and the "Prophets." These holy words tell about God, and how much He loves all people in the world.

This is God's story about His creation in the link below.

You will find answers to your questions like,

Did Adam have a belly button?

Has the garden of Eden ever been found?


http://www.christiananswers.net/godstory/creation1.html[/Quote]If God spoke, how was it that Ghost did not speak? If God cared, how was it that Ghost did not care to guide, lead, teach, proclaim, etc, as there is no record of him doing anything? If the message of God is known, where is the message of the Ghost as Jesus prophesied? Do you not have any sense to reason, Olaadegbu?

@Olaadegbu: Laa ilaha ila Allah. I weep for your soul.

If Jesus is the end of revelation, why Corinthian, unless Corinthians writer is the Another Comforter who heard from God and spoke to man as Jesus prophesied?

Or was Jesus wrong as he was wrong in his summation that John son of Zacharias was Elijah?

@Olaadegbu: I know you love talking to yourself. But take a moment and tell us how is the Bibles the infallible word of God, considering that God is 1 in OT and in NT 3 and which messenger/prophet did God give the Book of Timothy or any book starting from Act of the Apostles onward to the end and why are the 4 gospels so different from one another if your God gave all information to all of them?

Only on the Gospels: Did the gospel writers on their own rejected what they wanted to reject from God and take what the wanted of their own desire and came up with 4 completely different gospels?

Infallible ko, infallible ni. Continue to deceive yourself. Hell fire is real and it will burn and punish hard with no ability to adjust to its torment.

^^^I am trying to find help for the christian women in the west and christian countries, from sexual oppression and exploitation. How do we do it that woman is not judged by her pretty face and front or back strokes as if she is in swimming pool? Can you suggest how man does not think he is the crown of a woman, without him she is garbage?

^ the pagan man is at it again. he has no shame or conscience of sacrificing humans to what he himself used his hands and knowledge given to him by his Creator to make.

hi pagan. how are you today? have you slaughtered anything today to your god? someday, i will arrange the nigerian security operative to arrest you on this evil thing. it will be iron clad arrest. you will not be able to escape. jonathan would be seasoned enough to dispatch efficient officers to bind you like salaah ram. darn pagan.

@Judek2: [Quote]Firstly, there is no contradiction of how many horsemen there
were. Both 1 Kings 4 and 2 Chronicles 9 state, ", and twelve
thousand horsemen, "

Concerning the number of stalls, You did not read the text closely enough. It would seem that in 1 Kings, we are told how many horses Solomon had for his chariots --- 40,000 horses.

In 2 Chronicles, we are told how many stalls he had in which to keep his horses and chariots ---
4,000 stalls.

Estimately,it is viewed that he has 4,000 stalls,and 40,000 horses.
Thus, he had 4,000 stalls, 10 horses in each stall, totalling 40,000 horses.
There is no contradiction.[/Quote]In reality you have demonstrated that each verse gave partial answer and it took the 2 to truly have an answer.

Please demonstrate to me therefore how God of all was to Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, all the way to even John the son of Zacharias is 1 God and Lord, even to Jesus and suddenly after this this very Lord God became 3 of which the dead Jesus is 1 of it, the non speaking ghost is another and the always sitting on the throne Jehovah is another.

@Judek2: ^^^^^^^why don't you shut up if you cant from any logical reason and evidence show us how Jesus is the son of God versus the ordinary man Adam, ordinary woman Eve, ordinary man [any of us with mother and father] or those through sperm banks or egg banks or test tube. Show us how Jesus united his people or even the world in the worship of the Jewish God.

I personally do not want to worship the racist and tribe specific God of the Jews. I am only interested in worshiping God of all Who in His Infinite Mercy opens the door of His Mercy and Forgiveness for those who wish to enter. Those who refuse based on their vain desire will have no defense against His Justice.