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a child who is receiving beating from his father will not in the middle of it ask calmly the silly question you put forward. The boy will be bawling and saying papa please and i am sorry, i will not do it again.

i see that Abdullah didnt look for God in Yahweh. If he did, He will find what you found, and you preferred Prophet Jesus over him.


Abdullah will soon find out that prophet Jesus was not meek as you think.

Jesus was a warrior because he came with war and sword.

He had no respect for elders, including his mother.

He was bad tempered the reason he ran the money exchangers out of the court yard.

When Abdullah finally is like Jesus, he ruined his son's life by running it into the ground. The son will be fortunate if he is not slaughtered before his father by the command of the father.

Oh Christians, I have used only the Bibles to arrive at the above.

@Frosbel: « #37 on: Today at 03:25:20 PM » {My Inlaw; a msulim has married from his village}
[Quote]
There are messianic Jews, Athiest Jews and so and so forth.[/Quote]In spite of that, the Bibles declare "salvation is of the Jew". There is no salvation for you, frosbel because you are not a Jew. Ha ha.


[Quote]So what is particularly funny here. Undecided[/Quote]When Frosbel is not amused laughter is not permissible.


[Quote]You have missed the point, any spirit [/b]that denies that Jesus came in the flesh to [b]die for the sins of mankind is anti-Christ. It is this simple.[/Quote]I therefore say Jesus is simply anti-christ. So is christianity/Christian. Jesus didn't say that he came to die for the sins of mankind. If you can show me where Jesus said that he "came in the flesh to die for the sins of mankind, I will retract by statement and ask you to list the sins of mankind versus the "original sin" of the Christians which is the Adam and Eve's "eating from the tree". Incidentally, the christians say this is when their eyes became open, aware of their unclothedness, though there should not be any shame that husband and wife are together, alone in their privacy. I call that opening of eyes of Adam and Eve, similar to today's civilization, which you call advancement, while in the case of Adam and Eve their mere opening of eyes and becoming aware of their environment you call sinful.


[Quote]So if we use this as a measurement stick, we see that Orthodox Judaism and Islam fit in quite well.[/Quote]so does Christianity, too, because Jesus didn't say he came to die for the sins of mankind. Show me where he said that as plainly where I can show you that Jesus said he was sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, and not what somebody is saying about Jesus.


[Quote]"Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist." - 2 John 1:7[/Quote]the "Many deceivers, who" and "have gone out" eliminate Muslims and Islam as anti christ, which keeping the jews and pagans, etc who were already established when Jesus was speaking as possible anti christs here. Even the christians upon their being so named changed from what Jesus taught, eliminating the dietary law is a classic example here.

Frosbel will deny that Spirit can be used for "prophet" if we are arguing about the "Spirit of Truth" which is the "another comforter". But he is quick to use "spirit" to indicate man [prophet]/idea/religion above in his "the spirit that denies Jesus came in the flesh to die for the sins of mankind' and his "any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist [2 John 1;7].

Allah has given us eyes and wisdom to catch you in your lies, frosbel. You see why the spirit of truth is the Person of Truth who came to correct, show, lead, confirm, remind because he heard from God and spoke to man of what he heard.

^^^^^^^^^^^ You can't answer 2 questions posed by Lagosshia, so that he and I will join you in your worship of 3 gods. Yet you have the liver to from your obscured corner think you are glorifying Jesus. You are not. Jesus will be disappointed in you whatever you take to him now; if you sincerely believe he is your God and you must worship him, tell us where he stated these two in your Bibles.


I do not want to read meaning into anything. I want them directly from his mouth that he is God and you must worship him, else you are condemned. When you can do this from your Bibles, quoting the verses for us to read, you would have fulfilled the obligation laid out by Jesus as his warrior, his soldier, capturing souls for him. Souls I said, not spirits to show you that even humans who are inferior are just two parts; the physical which is the body and the spiritual which is the soul.


One will ask what is the need for God becoming 3 parts instead of just 1? Why would He be 3 instead of 1? If He is 3 what is so Unique about being 3 instead of say 2 like humans, 4 and higher like the gods of the other idolaters?


if you can't answer the questions of Lagosshia which is the case with you and your christian comrades so far, know that you have displayed no courage and all of you have been fakes and fraudsters in what you profess. Then know that Jesus said he will say to the fake christians 'i do not know ye. . ."

^^^ Whats so wrong in copy truth and pasting them?

At least you will now who the author is; not the guy who copied and pasted it.

Didn't the christians copied and pasted the jews, except that they did a shoddy job; saying God is 3 person instead of not even a person but 1 Entity?

Is it not true that there is no evidence that Jesus is not Immanuel, by the fact that no one ever called him "Immanuel" and the word is not semitic?

When next you copy for your threads, frosbel please a good job by having the best and correct material and give the author the credit due.

@Prof Kenny: How? You guys claim Islam came after Christianity. Shouldn't it not be that Christianity improves over Judaism? Can Judaism improved over Christianity, because that is similar to the idea that Christianity improved over Islam that you are trying to advance?

The newer improves over the older. The Older can never improves over the newer.

Get it, Prof Kenny?

[Quote]« #74 on: Yesterday at 11:08:17 PM »

The Quran Says that People of Other Religions
are to be Violently Punished in This World[/Quote]and in the Bible, Jehovah drowned Egyptians so that His people can go. Jehovah then wasted the israelites in the deserted because they became of other religion by invented a lord/god as golden calf. the philistines were disbelievers and they were murdered.


[Quote]The Quran Dehumanizes Non-Muslims
and Says that They are Vile Animals[/Quote]Bibles say disbelievers, including muslims of course are infidels [book of Timothy].


[Quote]Allah Actually Causes Non-Muslims to Sin[/Quote]Jehovah hardened the heart of Pharaoh so that he will drowned at the end. Our father Adam became a sinner because Jehovah allowed the snake to talk sweet nothing to Eve, who in turn told Adam to eat the apple. Jehovah allowed satan to drive Jesus into the wilderness for 40 days and after it he cursed a tree which caused the tree to die.

@Drstan: « #60 on: Yesterday at 05:06:57 PM »
[Quote]Do u no why arabian dress like ,u tink jesus dress, it is because of there weather, notin more,.nd who said jesus pray like d muslim? By hiting his head on d grown,.dis wil be my last post 4 dis thread,.go and read dis Book "WHO IR THIS ALLAH." by moshay a muslim schorla, Before u stat coparing my JESUS and your mohamed. Like i say b4 show me a voilent country and i wil tel u that christian are d minority there, that dont hav d freedom to pray to there lord and God Jesus to help them save their country from voilence,.thank God christian are d majority in Nigeria if not, dis country would hav bin like iraq, afgan. Pakstn, etc[/Quote]How about South Africa, Zimbabwe, Rwanda, etc? Post Civil War Baby, Drstan is. Ojukwu and Gowon; Christians. Adekunle; Christian.

^^^ You are correct. I am from her generation so we have this umbrerra in common. Happy? Good. The most important thing is that you get the idea of my post. I am sure you got it so much that you have to get angry with me as a christian since i oppose your opinion of God, His Messengers and Prophets which include Jesus. When I am on Nairaland, I am also on many other issues. So I sometimes get distracted and since NL is just a thing meant for my fun of the day, I come out as I do; Truth as I know it [with reason], emotional at times, along with the fun of just letting off steam, without hurting anyone.

Enjoy. You may learn something at the end of this whole nairaland thing.

@Emofine: [Quote]@tbaba1234
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Muslim hold the Torah revealed to Moses in high regard, we believe that the first 5 books does contain some truth but we also believe that some truths are also missing,  For muslims, the Quran is the criterion for telling the difference.

I'm trying to imagine certain happenings in my head. Ok the Torah (I imagine) was the first Book of truth. The Bible is an extension of the Torah (at least I think).
And according to Muslims the Quaran is the polished article - "uncorrupted".
Does the Quaran complement the other two Books (Torah + Bible)?[/Quote]Yes it does. When you see any information that the Bible has with the Quran, knows that it is the truth that the Bible spoke in this case. For examples; God is One. Jesus was a Messenger of God. What Quran does not have statement about, but the Bibles speak about are no spiritual value. For example: And Jesus slept. What is the spiritual value of it, especially when there is nothing inspirational about it? Whatever the Quran opposes in the Bibles, the bibles are incorrect and the Quran is the standard of the truth on the matter. For example: The Christian believes from her Bibles that Jesus is God. But the Quran says God is One and He is unlike us. We realize from this statement that God by the statement of the Quran is not a human and not a child of any mother. Quran says God has no son. The Bibles call Jesus son of God. Let us ignore that the Bibles call others sons of God, too. From the Quran, the Quran supports the statement of denial by saying who is the one who delivered the son [as a wife], since we all know that God does not have a consort/a wife. The Christian portion of the Bibles argue that Jesus is God, Ghost is God and Jehovah is God. Even if we ignore that this statement will not account to their statement that God is still One, but in obvious conclusion we can say Three God[s], the Quran says that is a servant with 3 equally powerful and [demanding [the demanding is my own word to emphasis Absolute Authority]] Masters equal to the servant that has just One master? The three will need him at the same time, always. The we ask him to do 3 different tasks at the same time [each having his own agenda, purpose and need]. Which of the 3 will he attend to first without the other two being shown that they are not part of Who really is the true Master?

We already know that Allah is The Master expressed so clearly by the Quran. Let just go along with the Bible for a moment. Is there a possible thought that Jesus can tell Jehovah to worship Jesus? Is there a possible thought that Jesus can send Jehovah on an errant? Is there a possible thought that Ghost can send Jehovah on an errant? We already seen that Jehovah sent Jesus on an errant; his whole existence and mission on earth to his Jewish nations of 12 tribes. We see that God sent Ghost [this i do not subscribe to as a muslim, but going along with the Bible christian idea] on an errant.

From the Quran we read that God says that all are slaves and servants to Him and we will all return to Him in that state.

@Davidylan; « #61 on: Today at 12:34:52 AM »
Quote from: tbaba1234 on Yesterday at 11:34:47 PM
No one has provided evidence of plagiarism in the Quran,  

there is clear evidence. The mere fact that a lot of the quranic stories do not come from any other source beyond the bible or add nothing new of relevance to the stories . . . is enough proof.[quote][/Quote]Before the Bible, before the Torah of Moses, before the Psalm of David, not davidylan, before the Injil of Jesus, even before the Scroll of Abraham, there were what many a generation going back to Adam the first man knew and were charged with on their peoples. In fact before man, there were those creations; Jinns and Angels and their Creator. The Creator was before any. And The Creator is the One Who revealed Quran and in the Quran He states that He "told you [Muhammad [as]] the stories, in the completely truth of the stories. You [Muhammad [as]] was not there when they drew lots among themselves [as in the case of young Mary] to know who will be her guardian [which Zacharia became through this]. And your Lord is able to know all affairs.



[Quote]Besides, it is this very claim that is behind the strident muslim claim that mohammad could neither read nor write . . . [/Quote]Allah, the Lord God of all says that He is the One Who revealed the Quran to you for humans to be guided. God revealed the Torah and with time after Moses and before Jesus it became corrupted. God revealed Psalm to David and with time, it too became corrupted. Then God revealed the Injil to Jesus as the last revealed guidance exclusively to the children of Israel. After Jesus it too was corrupted prior to Muhammad [as] receiving revelation. Allah says that the old revealed texts have been corrupted and He is protecting the Quran from any corruption. It is no wonder that the Quran affects the heart when it is recited.

The stories in the Quran where ever it is common with the ones in the Bible, the amount of useful information in vivid detail and the spiritual quality, etc are the difference, the reason you will know that one [the Quran] is divine and the other [the Bibles] are already influence by humans [look at what is in protestant bibles, versus what is in the catholic bibles versus what is in ethiopian orthodox bibles as example]. And there are many stories that each has exclusively of the other. Quran is in no way a relative of the Bible.



[Quote]Quote from: tbaba1234 on Yesterday at 11:34:47 PM
Was ibn kathir's book also written in 2002?

If you read my post you will see where i said Ibn Kathir's book must have been written at least 700 yrs AFTER mohammad. Did no other arab individual catalogue these alleged "islamic traditions BEFORE mohammad and islam? Odd considering Lot lived over 3000 yrs ago and we heard NOTHING of it from the arabs until 1300 AD thereabout.[/Quote]This is the proof in your own writing against your claim that Quran plagiarized the Bibles. Which of the Bibles; the orthodox ethiopian since that was where the muslims had their many smaller hijr? The other orthodox[es] of the world? The catholics? or the protestants? How about God revealing directly to Muhammad [Surah Baqarah the last 4 verses in Isra wa Miraj] and for the rest as Malaika Jibril being the carrier, just like he was the carriers to previous Messengers [Moses, Jesus to name examples you cant deny as having revelations]?



[Quote]Quote from: tbaba1234 on Yesterday at 11:34:47 PM
At the time of Lot’s invocation to God, the messengers (angels) were with Prophet Abraham so they informed him of their mission to Lot and his people.  They said,

“And when Our messengers [i.e., angels] came to Abraham with the good tidings, they said, “Indeed, we will destroy the people of that [i.e., Lot’s] city. Indeed, its people have been wrongdoers.” (Quran 29:31)

Abraham was afraid, his nephew Lot was in the town of Sodom and it was about to be destroyed.  He said to the angels “but Lot is there!”  They replied,

“We know better who is there, we will verily save him (Lot) and his family, except his wife, she will be of those who remain behind (i.e. she will be destroyed).” (Quran 29: 32)

The relation between Lot and Abraham was implied in the Quran  and his wife was also mentioned.

Hmmm again this is a retelling of Genesis 18.[/Quote]And he failed to quote Genesis 18 to see how word for word or style for style Quran copied it. If Quran tells a better detailed story, did he copy it or shows that your story is insincerely told in the Bible?



[Quote]Have you ever wondered why the islamic prophets who exist only as names in the quran are the very ones you cant find in the bible[/Quote]Have you ever wondered the discriminatory mindset of the children of Israel against the arabs? Lets starts from their grand uncle, Ishmael who they say their God will bless and will make him like an ass at the same time. What way is this man and ass and neither Isaac nor Jacob was?What way is this man blessed that will be considered adequate fulfillment of the blessing that Yahweh promised to cool the eyes of Ishmaels' concerned father who sent him and his mother out because another wife said she does not want them to be around her and her son, growing up under the eyes of Abraham? If we take Sarah from the Bibles and the way the jews take their bloodlines from the mothers instead of the fathers, the jews are children of evil soul [Sarah of the Bible] and definitely, the evil in them made them kill prophets, lied against others and their cousins and hence the jews are the ass like people. No wonder they have not known peace, even before they got involved with the palestinian arabs.



[Quote]Why is it that the quran NEVER provides any different and unique context to these "prophets" beyond shameless copying from the bible?[/Quote]Tell us about Hud, Shuaib, Salih [as to each] from your Bible. Luqman is not a prophet but please tell us about him, just as well from your Bibles. Please quote liberally. Tell us any story in the Bible that is told in the Quran in a very inferior way, lacking spirituality less than what will be found in the Bibles. I think you are thinking that this is about romanticism.



[Quote]« #62 on: Today at 12:51:23 AM »
Quote from: tbaba1234 on Yesterday at 11:34:47 PM
No one has provided evidence of plagiarism in the Quran,

A. Narrated AbuUmamah
Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said, "Blessed is he who has seen me, but seven times blessed is he who has not seen me but has believed in me."
Ahmad transmitted it. (Number 1688; taken from the ALIM CD-ROM Version)

"Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.’" John 20:29[/Quote]Is hadith the Quran? Jesus and Muhammad [as to both] were prophets of same God sent to man. They have the same semitic culture with just different accents. Jesus talked and Muhammad talked in similar style but different accents. Quran is from Allah to Muhammad [as] and Jesus speech cant be compared to it, so is the speech of Muhammad.



[Quote]B. Narrated AbudDarda':
I heard the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) say: If any of you is suffering from anything or his brother is suffering, he should say: Our Lord is Allah Who is in the heaven, holy is Thy name, Thy command reigns supreme in the heaven and the earth, as Thy mercy in the heaven, make Thy mercy in the earth; forgive us our sins, and our errors; Thou art the Lord of good men; send down mercy from Thy mercy, and remedy, and remedy from Thy remedy on this pain so that it is healed up. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 28, Number 3883)

"After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen." Matthew 6:9-13[/Quote]So we are now comparing Hadith and the Bibles. Good; some hadith are weak and lies based on many reasons. The same we have been saying applies to the Bible. I am looking for the verses of the Quran, yet.



[Quote]Mohammad was a clear fraud.[/Quote]So you have taking his hadith to mean the Quran of Allah?



@emöfine « #63 on: Today at 01:29:41 AM »
[Quote]@tbaba1234
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Using a medley of books and using your prejudices and emotions to decide what is true in them is not an objective way to find truth. Why?,  We end up choosing what pleases us and rejecting what doesn't please us.

Sound point.[/Quote]So start your journey by knowing with knowledge that God does exist. And in His existence as the Creator, has the absolute right to test us and reward those who pass and reward with justice those who fail because He has presented before us the god and the not so good from which human chooses what please him based on freedom of choice as in the free will that He has endowed us with, making us different from animals, etc.



[Quote]Quote
We have an innate disposition to God (fitra) and will always try to find him.

Interesting.[/Quote]Dont just comment, research it. We have instinct that makes us believe in the existence of God because as they say there was no atheist in the fox holes during the WW wars or any war for that matter.



[Quote]Quote
However, Our faith must be backed with reason and proof otherwise we get swept away by emotions.

I thought faith did not require "proof" or am I misunderstanding your point? Undecided[/Quote]Before faith, there is knowledge borne out of sound reasoning. For example Adam knew God existed before he was instruction of dos and dont do. We in our presence world should observe the earth, the things we see, etc and ask if all of them or any of them happen][s] by chance as orderly as it is without a Master Planner? See the oceans; some of it is upside down relative to others based on the form of the earth. In spite of no covering over the waters of these oceans, no one of them is spilling out of this huge bowl. Yet you cant have a bowl of water in your hand and without the cover turn it upside down and none of it will spill and splash. The Master Controller is identified as being in existence by this and all that we can reason out, including our own existence.



[Quote]Quote from: buzugee on Yesterday at 02:39:38 PM
the reason why you have different alterations in the bible is explained in job 9 vs 24. all of this started during the european rennaisance. prior to this, the world was ruled by black men. king james and emperor constantine were black men but they all got white washed during the rennaisance. this is why the KJV will be the most accurate one to read. so when the world falls into the hands of the wicked he tries to cover the faces of the real judges (the israelites and christ by painting them white from black). this is why they have also had to keep updating the bible to remove the parts where it is starkingly obvious that it was written by black men. then they removed some parts of it (the apocrypha). basically it is a white supremacy agenda fulfilling the job 9 vs 24 prophesy.[/Quote]I am taking it that buzugee is saying all that is correct and accurate in the Bible is the Job 9 verse 24 prophesy? And probably that the most accurate of the Bibles is KJV? Was King James not a white Englishman who ruled over England? How then does buzugee remains a christian, without even applying himself to learn about the Quran is a question and answer for the ages. Should anyone who distrust the Bible this much even be a christian? If i am to analyze what buzugee said above, any verse that I see that KJV has in common with any and all Bibles will be deemed suspicious, white washed meaning it is corrupted. Did KJV and any of its versions all equal and uniquely different that we can trust them? If something is "perfect" as KJV why having a revision of it?



[Quote]Do you read the Kwanza version? Undecided Tongue Huh[/Quote]You are having fun. Good. Just jump to Islam so that your fun can have spirituality.

^^^ Take us to your village [bush man] and you will see visible improvement because all the beautiful things there will be more beautiful.

You eat pig. No?

^^^ Instead of answering the questions by quoting the verses from his Bible, he will dance around it all. If there is an alini nkon she, please can anyone get David dylan's picture to represent it? Answer the darn questions, if you love Jesus or its just word of mouth that love is expressed? Christian soldiers all are MIAs. Hypocrites, that adegboye should be slapping instead of the poor girl who made the mistake of talking to the too long a coat sleeve white shoes wearing village i.diot.

@Drstan: Whats stan talking about? Was jesus alive when Moses etc were the shepherds of the OT people? Was Jesus mentioned in the OT? Was Immanuel mentioned in the NT where Jesus became the new shepherd? How is OT verses relevant to the 2 questions? Where are the relevant answers in the NT to the 2 questions?

Satan was able to tell Jesus to worship him.

Can Jesus respond that he is the one to be worshiped rather than God in heaven that Jesus himself worshiped and if satan had directed his statement to God in heaven, satan would have been permanently be eliminated?

yoo stanley, show me where you and proo212 or proo212 alone net the two required conditions.

Do you even think you can get be let off the hook without direct answers?


@Olawalebab: this frosbel chap is a wiesel. I like him though. He knows that he lies so he smiles while lying to you. Is any of the followers of Muhammad[as] or Muhammad himself a friend or supporter of satan who we curse in every salah, every tie we begin recitation of Quran, every time we yawn, we are about to enter the bathroom, go purely wholesome things where we do not want any filth or any negative, etc? Does Frosbel think that we are like him who says their accursed soul person is their God? We say satan is accursed and he is open enemy to mankind and we in Islam by the Mercy of God recognized that and we are told to curse satan always and seek Protection of God against the deceit of satan.

If Muhammad [as] is not your Another Comforter, he is definitely that of mine. Because he comforts me by what his Lord gave him, today i am a more grounded person, struggling to be better and my worship of God is not a random act, but a measured and structured process, only as a test of obedience. Islam is easier on my body and soul.

You on the other hand mr frosbel, you have not prostrated your face as Jesus the last of the former comforters did. Imagine if the Another Comforter is not expected to Prostrate his face in the same way as Jesus and others before Jesus; Moses, Abraham, Noah, to name a few? Are you frosbel for real or the joke in now ingrain in you without anytime you can actually be serious?

Through Muhammad [as] Umar Ibn Khattab [ra] who used to make god out of the dates he eats, believed in One Unique and Unseen God. Umar rose to power that even christians bear his name to this day. Have you heard of WW2 british general Umar Montgomery? Should i tell you people who love him so much that they will rob on their body water from his Wudhu?
Should I tell you about his cousin [ra] who slept in his bed knowing that the enemies can take his life thinking Muhammad [as] was the one asleep?

Should I tell you of a jewess [ra] who became his wife and said that her Jewish people knew that he was the prophet they must follow, the reason they established Yathrib, thinking he was going to be from their tribe?

Are you kidding me? It is Muhammad [as] that calmed people like me down enough to say i want a wife from your bloodline, in spite of your being dishonest, instead of taking your precious jewel females in your village as girl friends. Stop it and be honest to yourself. Abeg. Today, 90% of the arabs pray as Muhammad [as] prayed. Then the rest of 1.5 Billions are from all over, including Obodo Igboland.

Who is praying like Jesus prayed among the Christians? Did Jesus prayed as you pray? Have you and Jesus ever agreed on prayers, Mr. Frosbel? You have destroyed Jesus. We, the muslims are the same people, under the leadership of Muhammad [as] who is shoring up Jesus, his mother and what he stood for.


If you do not stop lying, I will tell your children to resume so that your internet days are only in the closet.

david dylan will rather take the single life that is better than all lives combined [according to his thinking this single life is greater than all lives put together against it] and dont call that greatest destruction ever. Instead, he will say the lives of the few [each life is great in my view and not to be taken away unjustly] measured in death is now greater and causes him grief.

hypocrite. i am sure Jesus will be smiling with you that you wanted him dead to much that you are glad to see some misguided souls say they killed him. Where is morality in your soul, davidylan?

^ at least East here knows how to back pedal gracefully. You are unlike your insolently stubborn brothers and sisters who know there is no answer, bt continue to push for innuendos.

Is Jesus God or not? He didn't say it, but you said it.
Is Jesus demanding worship as Yahweh? He didnt because he worshiped Yahweh Who he called Ellah, but you say it is Jesus you must worship instead of the Ellah Jesus worshiped.

Did the holy ghost fulfill the duties of the mere Another Comforter as indicated by Jesus? No because voice the holy ghost did not have and how did he even confirm what Jesus said if he cant talk with voice to human? thats something you should think about before you go to other parts of the duties of the Another Comforter, and finally taking about God.

[Quote]@Sweetnecta, I am not interested in your stories, we are not playing a game of numbers here (I quote one quote 10) but once again abuse from sweetnecta which is to be expected anyways, Your response in trying to equate Jesus and the spirit as idolatry is moot. The bible expressly says that God the Father, Son and Spirit are one,[/Quote]And the Bible lied, the reason you cant say that Jesus said it or show us that Jesus said that he is God to be worshiped. We see Yahweh telling the Israelite under Moses that they should worship Him. Show us the same from Jesus. that will be sufficient.


[Quote] we have debated this time and time again so I wouldn't even bother to add references. Even Hebrew 1:6 that Dr. Stan used as a reference states that. You refuse to believe that and that is your issue.[/Quote]Hebrew 1;6 was spoken by Jesus? Do you people even think? Was Jesus on earth when Hebrew was penned? Is Hebrew now from the Gospel of John? We asked that you show us where Jesus said I am your God so worship me. Joseph was "worshiped" by his family, if prostration alone is worship. Jacob was a worshiper of Joseph then and Joseph was also part of your Lord God. If demanding alone is the reason for you to callsomething God, satan is also your God because he told your human God to worship him and jesus didnt retuke him that he has no right because he Jesus that he is commanding is his God.

You see you people lose all the time.

^^^^^^^^ You are not so bright as you did not name the idol the noble prophet [as] worshiped, especially when moon is qamar and that is so far from the name Allah. do you know that Muhammad [as] split the moon as a sign the makkan disbelievers demanded from him, while your human god in your bible failed to spend 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the earth, even if i allow a mere cave to be that belly?

food poisoning that took effect 3 years later must have been tamed in the body of the one who lived with it for that long, while hanging killed your god the same day [i dont believe Jesus [as] was hung]. if a man who survived the deadliest poison of his enemy for 3 years is not worthy of following, tell me how man killed instantly by hanging is God Almighty, bright man?

and it was the christian woman who started the thread and you expect us to let her and your miserable self advance your lies? mr. bright [not], thats not how the world works. responding to accusation is normal in every society.

i repeat, you are not so bright, so change your name.

Note to self: Work on Emofine, because Nwankwo will easily capture her heart because everything is visual to the artist. And she is one. She can help it when the painter of half truth and others are talking to her.

the tarot card people will continue to talk until they get you to hang on a truth that they stumbled on in your life. From then onward, you will absorb all the garbage that follows, whereas you have been saying no to everything before this incidental truth.

@Emofine; « #9 on: Yesterday at 11:52:57 AM »

[Quote]Why would a brilliant God put the "infallible" truth in a book as opposed to locking it inside our essence?[/Quote]This is why Quran is a recitation and does not have to be in a book form before it is "LOCKED INSIDE YOUR ESSENCE".

If a person who does not know the arabic hears a Quranic tone of Arabic speech, and then hears Quran recitation in the tone of the speech, he will know the difference from his heart.

His heart will react to the Quran, while his heart will not reach to the Arabic speech even though it is in the exact same tone as the Quran.

later, i will look for a video of a dialogue of a Quranic reciter with a christian propagandist in Australia, where the recitation of the Quran impacted the heart of the christian, while the non Quranic arabic statement, though sounding the same did not.

@Proo212: « #36 on: Today at 10:22:52 AM »
[Quote]In all of these we also have to understand something else (not deviating from the responses already received) 2 things sprang at me. Its like someone is insecure and they need worship to feel important. If he didn't say so worship me, his followers probably wouldn't but he has to insist on worship

Holy Quran 21:92
"Indeed this, your religion, is one religion, and I (Allah) am your Lord, so worship Me".
Matthew 4:9The devil said to him, "I will give all this to you, if you will bow down and worship me."
Luke 4:6And the devil said unto Him, "All this power will I give Thee, and the glory of them; for this has been delivered unto me, and to whomsoever I will, I give it.
7If Thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be Thine."[/Quote]If this verse in the Quran is in your mind equal to the 3 from the Bible below it, then your mind is dead because Yahweh in His 10 Commandments says exactly the same thing, including warning you to never take anything on earth {JESUS IN THIS CASE] or anything in heavens {HOLY GHOST IN THIS CASE] as Lord God with Him. He even express His EMOTION that Jealousy will begin if you do. But then you are doing it. I now ask you, is Yahweh the same as the speaker of your 3 biblical verses, because they both commanded and identified what they want their listeners to do?

Those who believed Yahweh obey Him as 1 God, not 3 persons {Jesus, Ghost and Yahweh]. We in Islam believe in Allah and we obey him. Jesus did not obey Satan because he Jesus was a prophet and knows that God is 1 and that is not satan that he was seeing or imagining. You do not believe in Allah because your mind has developed 3 person God, counting Jesus as one of them [you have all your reasons for doing this], and because you are not an elect of God like Jesus was satan was able to carry you away from the type of belief Jesus has of who God is, the reason we never read that he called God Yahweh, Jehovah, etc but Allah [Ellah].

Last night I said Allahuyah so that a friend can hear. He immediately began to mention Jesus name to me. I told him that did he not know that I am a muslim and that Yah Allahu is what the christians are saying instead of Jehovahyah, or YAhwehyah, etc when they say Halleluiah Hallelujuah? Say it with your eyes closed and say Allahu Yah, then Yahweh yah, then Jehovah yah, etc and think about which one is sounding like Halleluiah or which one Halleluiah sounds like.

@Joagbaje: « #30 on: Today at 09:03:20 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: drstan on Today at 08:37:21 AM
I told u all the answer i wil giv u wil be from your koran and not d bible, d bible wil just be a back up,  WHY CRISTIANS WORSHIP JESUS CHRIST, In koran 15.28.33 it said."it is written that when d lord said to the Angels see ,i an creating a mortal of the clay of mud, when i have shaped him and breathed my spirit into him ,fal you down bowing before him , then the angels bowed themselves all together and worship Adam except iblis(satan) who refused to join those who bowed .then the lord ask iblis (satan) why are u not among those who bowed to worship adam, but iblis (satan) replied why should i bow for a mortal whon u have made out of clay of black mud. Then d lord said to iblis because of your disobedience from today i cast u out of my presence and curse shall u b til d day of judgement, d verses we read acoqding to koran tels us that God comanded al angels to worship adam and they al obeyed xcept devil for this reason he was cast out of heaven. HEBREW 1.6 says and again when GOD brings his first born (jesus) into the world he says let all God's angels worship him.(also read HEBREW 1 VS 1to 6 for beta undstnding).jesus and GOD ar one john 14.9 to 15, (HOPE U HAV GOT your ANSWER.ar u stil in doubt. Did u nid more?

I think he was very tactical in that question. ,  If he had asked "is Jesus God"? He probably knows he would get many proof, so He asked the impossible where did Jesus said " worship me" etc. . It'd like saying  where is Nigeria in the bible ?[/Quote]Nigeria is not a divine revelation, this reason it is not. So is the Bible the reason it is not. Jesus is not to be worshiped, the reason it is not.

let me help your opinion; If you Lagosshia had asked "is Jesus God"? and you are able to give many proofs, you will have to deal with the follow up question of how many are God in the Bible, because that will show you that the word God is used without any reality, morality and wisdom in many place in the Bibles and even among the christians, even today. We see the house of lords even in british government. Everyone is a God in the Bible, hence did Jesus identify himself as God, since everyone is God and no one identified himself as God? You will think that God Who identified Himself as God made Who is God very clear, while Jesus and the Holy Ghost never did the same, just like no one else did.

Your faith is rag the way you're going. And how do you stand in front of Jesus to say he is God when you can't show where he says I am God, and worship me?

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Hahahahaha,.even satan know dat jesus is the son of God. Mathew 4.3 and when the tempter (satan) came to him ,he said if thou be the son of God ,comand that these stones be made bread,.vs 6 then d devil said if thou be the son of God ,cast thyself down, for it is writen, he shal giv his angels charge concerning the ,and in their hands they shal bear the up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a ston, VS 7 AND JESUS SAID UNTO HIM , IT IS WRITTEN AGAIN THOU SHALT NOT TEMPT THE LORD THY GOD, so Jesus is God,, so that answer your question lol[/Quote]Show me where Jesus said in this verse you quoted where Jesus said I am the son or my father instead of Lord thy God.

A son that cant say I am the son is not really the son. You say he is the son, but he says he is a worshiper.

You said God is his father, but he says God is his Lord God.

You and he differ in who he is to God. Tell me who is the one incorrect of the two of you?

Drstan: Is your brain shutting down properly now? If it is thank God. But show us where Allah warned Muhammad [as] to believe in the BIBLE. then you will win me over. I will become a christian right from the moment you can show the world the verse from the Quran, or did Allah talked to Muhammad [as] from your Bible? You are free to show that verse from the Bible if you cant from the QUran. I will convert to christianity because at least you have demonstrated that Muhammad [as] was predicted in the Bible and he ad his followers must believe in the Bible, not just the Torah, or Psalm, and or Gospel of Jesus, but in the Gospel of John, Luke, Matthew, Mark, Revelations of Paul, Acts of Paul, Ruth, etc of the other parts, as a whole.

Don't fail me Drstan.

@Davidylan: Convert Lagosshia by showing him where Jesus said he should be worshiped, as clearly as Satan said Jesus should worship him. If I can show you where Satan was demanding that Jesus should worship him, you should be able to show us where your God Jesus demanded that anyone should worship him.

you could have since yesterday have  new christians; Lagosshia and me to be ready for our first mid week church service by now. But no. You are too ignorant and pitiful to give support to Jesus. You let him down but you are haughty in empty arrogance as a failure to have the liver to talk. You should be ready to hear Jesus rebuke you on that day.

If you give Lagosshia the same opportunity to show you that your Lord is Allah and He demands that you worship Him otherwise your belief is nothing and your work is truly rejected, it would have been done in less than 5 minutes. It is right on the pages of the Quran, while you have to imagine your own, because it is not in the Bible. Instead whats in the Bible is that Jesus was a worshiper, just as his companions were worshipers.

with all of that, your mind still think that Jesus is who you should worship? Give me your reason if you are playing with full deck. lagosshia and me are waiting.

^^^^^^^^^ Psalm of David. David the man you don't regard as godly, but a killer, an adulterer.

It is Jewish writing that you are wrapping yourself with, realizing that if you wrap yourself with Gospel of Biblical Jesus, you might as well be unprotected as far as how satan will crush you.

The satan that was bold enough to tell your God that he should worship him for a loaf of bread. The satan that knew he could take your God head on that he took him on a cliff and taunt him to jump if he is sure he will not die. The satan that was bold enough to tell your God to bow to him so that he can give him the whole earth that he set before your God.

See how he was playing him? Imagine how easy it is for satan to control you therefore?

I notice that we asked you to convert us and you are wasting such an opportunity. I take it you are one of the brides without oil in her lamp? You are so unprepared.

I laugh at you in the dialect of Olaadegbu town, or village. No wonder Jesus is quoted that he will say i do not know ye to your type of miracle workers.

^^Man nuff to answer the two questions. Davidy dylan has failed. maybe you can do better and not your video of arab opportunity will help you here.

Incidentally, the challenge of Lagosshia is that you people should quote a verse were Jesus boldly say to his companions, worship me. that will be enough. At least it is a start.


Look, Satan was bold and direct with Jesus when he told him "worship me" and I will give you the whole world that I am showing you.

Satan didnt stop there. He asked Jesus to "bow down" to him and he will give him a loaf of bread to rid himself of the hunger of empty stomach.
satan must have taken the position of being lord over, having power of authority over and has advantage over Jesus.

Show us anything like that. I am sure if he was God, his companions would have accepted his command. Instead he commanded them to worship and pray to the God in heaven not on earth in the Lord's prayer, seeking only his aids and forgiveness, etc. Jesus didnt disappoint me because like a dutiful slave he worshiped his Lord at Gethsemane. This is the same way I worship the same Lord that Jesus worshiped.

^^david dylan is going to get creamed big time here. I know he will be black and blue by the end of the discussion.
he could not invite us into his religion and he wants education in demon/satan that invaded Peter his rock.

All your worries are in Surah Kahf for 1st question. Araf for 2nd question, Maryam for 3rd question and Maryam also for the 4th question. There are many surahs and verses that deal with the questions in different degrees.


I bet the bibles say that demons/family of satan live in pigs, the favorite white meat of david dylan and in the body of Peter his rock, while it must be demonic for his lord to allow satan to demand that he worshiped him for a loaf of bread. worse is the taking this "God" to the edge of a cliff egging hm on to jump without a safety device.

if this was God, the demon really resided in him and made him exhibit demonic act, without any doubt and not to have creamed the satan is a sure excuse that man can use to argue against this God on The Day of Judgment.

I will watch and enjoy how Lagosshia will handle this binez. I trust he will do justice to the ridiculous questions.

[Quote]« #21 on: Yesterday at 10:57:42 PM »

Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 10:15:27 PM
My opinion: you were not asked to define christianity or what it means to you. You are asked to show where Jesus said you must practice christianity, worship him and accept him as your god or God. See. that was simple. Not complicated at all. No?

[b]That is quite daft. [/b]It is impossible to answer the question without going back to show where the word itself originated from. It came up as a derogatory term for the disciples of Christ used by non-believers just the same way muslims call us infidels today. Are you suggesting that, should the term "infidel" become synonymous with christians, muslims in 100 yrs would be challenging us to show them from the bible where Christ asked us to belief in a religion called infidelity?[/Quote]Proof that Christianity is the religion of God chosen for all previous righteous men and it was perfected on God and no other way is permitted by God to worship. Demonstrate that Jesus asked you to worship him or if you worship him, it is sufficient and you not have to worship the God that Jesus himself worship. Then show us where Jesus said that you should take him as your God, because he is God, who created all and control all and without him, there is nothing, no God saves he.

Can you deal with that instead of given us the discovery of the word christianity? See. That was easy. By now I should have been preparing for Wednesday Service and be making preparation for my first sunday church service. You see how you fail Jesus squandering opportunities to be a hero for jesus?

You are disappointing Jesus right about now. he will be saying to you that he does not now you if based on this opportunity and nothing else. This is your time to shine and you have no oil for your lamb and the groom will come and your virgin bride will be shut out.

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Quote from: LagosShia on Today at 06:00:54 PM
if christians can do the following two things I am ready to become "christian" and adopt the denomination,sect and pastor of the NL member who gives me the answers.

1.) Show me where Jesus in the bible said we should practice a religion called Christianity.

2.) Show me where Jesus said we should either worship him or accept him as "a god" or "God".

if you fail to provide me explicit answers to both questions,then know that you are following an invented and man-made religion that Jesus did not order for.so your beliefs are based on your misinterpretations and what you made of Jesus's teachings and not what Jesus (as) ordered you to do.

and common,you missionaries on this forum waste hours attacking Islam and provoking muslims (more than you preach christianity and its different beliefs) to prick Muslims.so you can answer these two easy questions and gain me all for your own version of Jesus (as) and your church.

in addition,i would give anyone who answers the questions a gift of 100,000 Naira to show appreciation.[/Quote]How did this garbage below answer the priceless challenge above, especially the 2 questions in hi-light?

[Quote]Your problem is two-fold:

1. You clearly lack understanding of what the term "christianity" means. Unlike islam which is a DEFINED (by mohammad by anyway) set of religious rites and rules, the term "christian" simply comes from a once derogatory term used to define those who identified themselves as followers of Christ Jesus (Acts 11:26). Infact much of acts reveals that in virtually every instance where the term "christian" is used, it was used by non-believers to describe members of the early church (see King Agrippa use such in Acts 26:28.

It thus flows that the term "christianity", rather than being an institutionalized name of a set of rites and rituals, is nothing but an umbrella term to refer to the body of Christ.

The message of Christ is very simply described in His conversation with Nicodemus in John 3, is NOT a call to follow rules and regulations but a simple call to a deep, eternal relationship with God.[/Quote]

My opinion: you were not asked to define christianity or what it means to you. You are asked to show where Jesus said you must practice christianity, worship him and accept him as your god or God. See. that was simple. Not complicated at all. No?

^Barackallahu fi kum, yaah sheikh Lagosshia.

I am laughing at the response of the non christian. Its classic.


the christians are going to give you a song and dance, instead of winning a soul. Davidylan will try to prance around like an empty goofy show horse no jockey is on, trying to compete in Kentucky Derby or is it Baltimore Preakness or Belmont stakes. show horses are not for that. They don't win races. they win shows.

if you don't have the ability to invite Lagosshia with merely 2 questions that he asked answers must be provided, one will wonder if you truly believe in Jesus to be what you say he is. this is exactly what he asked you to present.

if you win Lagosshia, i will be the nafila [topping] because i will join in right away. I am thinking many muslims will the plunge, too.

@Arosa: are you saying by the above that Jesus will not look at christianity as the yardstick to know those who follows his examples, considering that it in the christian part of the bibles that we see the examples of Jesus? Shall we therefore throw christianity overboard and we are still good in the eyes of Jesus? How shall we therefore know the examples of Jesus to follow, because the Bibes must go too, being the books of the christians? Is there another book we can find adequate examples of Jesus we can follow and we will not miss the bibles?

^^^^^^ Free gift of salvation? Is there a gift that is not free? Is there nothing free that is not a gift? Gift from God is free. Free Gift must come from God, since He does not need anything in return from you.

Is Free Gift of Salvation due to the death of something, someone? Is that free from the dead person? Did he feel pain of death, agony of the soul leaving the body?

Which is easier on all concerns; Salvation that came about because somebody was hung, or the one that The Creator simply gave you for believing that He is Uniquely One?

Faith he asked? Has anyone seen God and lived? No one can see God. But we believe that He exists through what we see of His creation, including ourselves and what we know from Quran. We see that such elements constitute to us having a peaceful mind about this ultimate faith where our salvation is not a burden on anyone and the sin of anyone is not a burden on us.

This is measured Mercy. Faith is believing in Unseen, etc. We believe that God exist and has Power all things. This is the Ultimate faith, hence we obey His Commands as much as we can and as soon as we can, hoping for Mercy in Him. We see that our faith allows us to imitate all the elects of God where appropriate.

While it is not permissible to muslims to not be married like Bachelors John and Jesus, we however copy them in standing, bowing and prostrating to God in prayers. There are many aspects to our faiths, but we do not have the do nothing and let an innocent man be punished for you faith leading to free gift. The man who is punished will not say it is free gift. He will not find it a walk in the park but more like a graveyard shift in a plantation of mean gene oaklund.

@Olaadegbu; I have opened a thread, asking you and others to christianize me. Please don't disappoint me.