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@frosbel: « #14 on: October 31, 2011, 07:17 PM »
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Same man who is rejoicing over the sentencing to death for an innocent woman accused of insulting Mo.

Your clowning on this form knows no bounds. I am used to your gibberish Grin

Go to the circus, they will find your talents useful Cheesy[/Quote]Since I do not know any Mo, please show me how I rejoice over the sentencing to death of anyone, and if you will use the "innocent woman" as your pointing out this claim of yours against me. You seem to be angry and now showing it through frustrations, accusations, etc.

You need to take chilling pill, "mate/bloke" Don't let the wife and children receive any of these. You need a vacation, anger management and maybe a time away from NL. You need to pay this muslim for this beneficial session.

[Quote]Read it with an open mind and an open heart[/Quote]the nameless christian writer asked that we read his piece with open mind and open heart, while he wrote this very piece with the mind and heart that are completely close shot. If you ask something of people, unless you are God Who can absolutely commands, you must be subjected to your own rule. When you do not, doing do as i say not as i do, you will looked at as a complete hypocrite. The christian writer did not follow his own rule, because he should asking himself, if the another comforter was supposed to speak to human beings, he cant do it telepathically. He must do it by audible voice, especially if it is true that Jesus said the another comforter will hear from God and will speak what he heard to man.

This alone, without going to other aspect of the functions of the another comforter is enough to dismiss the claim that it is God Himself Who came as the errand entity from Jesus.

Didn't the Bible say that Yahweh spoke in audible voice at the time of the coming of age ceremony conducted upon Jesus by John, who was not a christian, initiating Jesus to the religion that he practiced?

Pure questions that demand direct answers. I can assure you folks, there will be confusion when they try to address them. Watch. If davidylan approaches it, it will be a major confusion. I expect much grinning from Frosbel, if he attempts to diffuse them, instead of answering them.

[Quote]Jesus promised to send His people the Holy Spirit who is also the Comforter. He did not promise to send another human as a prophet. Jesus was the last prophet of God. Jesus' message of salvation is found in the Holy Bible. The devil has tempted men with deceptions by twisting God's words and many people have fallen away from the truth in Jesus because they have listened to lies of the devil. The same way satan twisted God's Holy words in the garden of Eden and deceived Eve, the same way satan appeared to Jesus as an angel of light and tempted Jesus in the wilderness by twisting God's Holy words is the exact same way that satan did when he appeared as the angel Gabriel to Muhammed. Muhammed was terrified that the "angel" Gabriel was evil. He was extremely afraid every time the "angel" appeared to him. In fact, it is recorded in the Islamic books that Kadijah is the person who convinced Muhammed that the angel was sent by God. From the kindness of my heart, I must say that satan is still using his same old tricks and he did it to Muhammed. The angel that appeared to Muhammed was not sent by God, it was the devil disguised as an angel. My soul cries out to the people to please love God with all your soul, heart, strength and mind and search the truth of your God. Anyone who denies Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour is not a messenger of the One and Only True God. The Bible is where you will find the truth. Read it with an open mind and an open heart and ask God to receive the promise that Jesus gave us, "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All[b] things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.[/b]
(John 16:13-15)[/Quote]My question is this, tell me which one of these did the Holy ghost/spirit fulfilled? How did the instruction and description of the another comforter as the spirit of truth fits the Holy Spirit, which is God Himself, as I read it from your Bible and how does the action of the Holy Spirit, if it is meant for the Disciples on the day of Pentecost has anything to do with later generations, specifically the christians? The christians do claim the holy spirit/ghost still work the crowd among them. If this is true, what Jesus said was not true therefore. A speech was going to be made, if its pen and teller act we are going to use out of Sin city, it will not be the one that is not talking that will give the speech. Speech is always audible, not without sound. I have read the above with an open mind. I have found it wanting. I say this is injustice, specifically against Jesus who didnt have anything to do with Christianity and a completely slave of his Lord. Muhammad [as] is waxing greatly, as a messenger in the eyes of those who follow what he was given. It was not expected that everyone will become Muslim of Muhammad. Even the jews, some rejected Moses, the reason they built for themselves a yahweh, a i am, of golden calf.


[Quote]But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: [/b]for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. [b]But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
(1 Corinthians 2:10-14)[/Quote]I searched and searched and I didn't see what the holy spirit told them. Then I read this, from Paul; the man who was not a disciple. How can I believe such a man? a man described as a liar, even by his own lips. A killer from before. A leopard who merely changed its hunting ground, not its spots.


[Quote]But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
(John 15:26)[/Quote]Who testified that Jesus son of Mary was the anointed/christ/messiah, but Muhammad [as]? If you didn't know, now you know. Read the Quran and tell me if it was not declared Jesus was the anointed.

[Quote]The Spirit is the Spirit of God, also known as the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost. The Holy Spirit is not human. You cannot see the Holy Spirit just like you can't see the wind that cause the leaves in a tree to move side to side. Notice how Jesus breathed on the disciples and told them to receive the Holy Ghost (the Holy Ghost is like the wind; you cannot see it and Jesus gave an example of this by breathing his breath on the people. Just like you can't see breath, you can't see the Holy Spirit). "And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost" (John 20:22).[/Quote]If they already have the holy ghost because Jesus breathed it out on them, why saying they will have another one? How many holy ghost are there, mr. skntruth and any christian who care to explain this obvious confusion? I am certain God is not the Author of this confusion on the this matter. Yet it is on the pages of the Bible. is the Bible word of God? This is a million dollar question.


[Quote]In the book of Acts, it tells of how the Apostles were filled with the Holy Spirit and were able to witness greatly to the people at Pentecost. They received the Holy Spirit after Jesus was glorified in Heaven. "Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen" (Acts 1:2).[/Quote]The apostles used to be disciples, right? One of them is dead, so we now have 11 apostles who were authentic disciples of Jesus. I will come back to these 11 later. But were the 11 supposed to be the one witnessing or it was the Another comforter who was supposed to be making audible speech for people to hear. To hear instruction from him of what he, the another comforter was exactly hearing from God, just like Jesus heard from God and merely repeat it. I am certain you will not be able to accurately tell us or point us to a book where the commandments delivered by the holy ghost can be found, just like you can not tell us what Jesus actually said and did on earth. You know why you cant do either? it is because you have compromised what each of them came with. You have elevated the former, Jesus to God, erroneously, and you have changed the character and name of the later, to non audible and unseen entity, whereas he was supposed to be human taking commandments from God without adding or subtracting, all in audible voice.
Does Jesus have the power to send the spirit of God on an errant, so much so that he was passing commandments to him to deliver it to man? Is that actually sending Yahweh on an errant?


[Quote]"And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me." (Acts 1:4) The promise of the Father is the Holy Spirit, heard of Jesus.[/Quote]But above, you said Jesus send his commandment to the holy spirit/ghost who delivered it to the disciples of 11/apostles Jesus chose. How is Jesus not sending the father on an errant here? Please explain, because all you said here is that Jesus was sent on an errand by God, Jesus turned around and sent God on an errand, God being the Holy Spirit/Ghost here? Is that about right? I am wondering if you forgot what the Holy Ghost/Spirit was supposed to do, according to Jesus, because you have not even touched on it/them? Are you answering that below, or you are scared of telling us what they were? Alhamdulillah. It is on the pages of the Bible to be copied.

@Skntruth: « #4 on: Today at 12:51:25 AM »
[Quote]The Bible makes it very clear who the promised One, the Comforter, is that Jesus promised to send to his disciples (and all whom believe on Jesus) once Jesus left Earth.

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
(John 14:16)[/Quote]Was there a previous comforter before the another comforter? From the statement, if it is true, yes. Is that previous comforter Jesus? It he was, we will realize the another comforter will also be praying type in character. If he was not, then who was the previous comforter? Please give us the name. Was he a praying, fighting, etc man, say Moses, in this case or any noble man like a messenger/prophet?
If Jesus is the previous comforter, we need to therefore realize that the another comforter, in his time can not do less than praying to God, leading a flock, preaching that people should turn to God through him, now being the only way to God, from that time on. If Muhammad [as] was not this another comforter, who was the another comforter?


[QUote]First, it shall be known that Jesus was not talking about Muhammed in John 14:16 simply from the words "he may abide with you for ever"; we all know that Muhammed is dead (Muhammed can't abide with you forever if he is dead) so he clearly is not the "promised one" Jesus spoke of. [/Quote]the may before the abiding shows that Jesus does not know what the future will be, if that was what he said. Just as he was not sure of things about himself, how can he know the nature of the another comforter, since God Almighty is All Knowing? But Moses abides still with the Jews. Jesus abodes with you, even though you don't know him except through the Gospel. If Moses and Jesus abide still, why do you think that Muhammad [as] has to be here before he abides? If I say "the prophet" or "the messenger", even you know that he was the man I am speaking about. Why are you trying to be so mischievous?


[Quote]If Muhammed is not the promised one Jesus promised to send, then who is? Lets see what the Bible says,

The following verse, Jesus continued to say (John 14:17) "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." We know Muhammed was not born at the time Jesus said this, so it is impossible for Muhammed to be the one that "dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."[/Quote]Obviously Jesus must have told his disciples something of this another comforter, say his characteristics, and job descriptions. He may not have told the public, hence they know him, dwelleth in them, etc. But I do hope you will describe the job of the another comforter, who is unseen, at the time Jesus was speaking about him? I will be disappointed in you if you didn't outline what the another comforter was supposed to do, and with who and no other, and how Muhammad [as] didn't pass that muster and somebody or something else did.


[Quote] Also, this Comforter is called the Spirit of truth. Muhammed was just a man like any other man (Surah 18:110). As a man, he could not also be the Spirit of truth.[/QUote]Did the bible speak about a true prophet of God being a true spirit or spirit of truth from God, and a false prophet is a false spirit and not from God. How did Jesus say that you will know a true spirit from God, except that such a spirit, as a prophet of God will say Jesus is the christ, messiah, anointed? But Jesus was a man like any other man. Even then, he was sent to man like him. So was Moses. So was Muhammad [as]. Was anyone of them sent to the Angel to deliver message and call the Angel to the worship of One God? No. Each was sent to the man in his time, even man in his community.


[Quote]The Bible clearly tells us who the Promised One is: "But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified." (John 7:39)[/Quote]Before this, we should know that others have received and even the holy ghost lived in them. John was a good example and his was from the womb, even. Which holy ghost did John have something of it, when he was in his mother's womb, if the another comforter was the holy ghost that was not yet given, according to John 7;39? Are there previous holy ghost and we are expecting another holy ghost which you clearly characterized as another comforter here? I do want to know the truth, because the spirit of must be presented directly without ambiguity.

@Judek2: « #14 on: Yesterday at 11:09:42 PM »
[Quote]Islam is not peaceful and can never be peaceful.
Islam is the definition of Violence.
Defending Islam by Islamists on NL is just like the case of a pregnant virgin.For no matter how hard she tries to cover it,her stomach keeps on swelling.

I shed tears after reading this
http://Www.thereligionofpeace.com[/Quote]I am a muslim. I have been muslim for close to 6 decades. My father was about 60 years before he had me. His father was. So was his father. And so on. My mother's mother was. So was her mother. So was her mother. So was her mother. And so on. I am an authentic muslim. Authentically Yoruba. It is the Islam in me that has elevated me. It made my character better, though I am not perfect. But I am conscious of all my faults, because Islam gives me that consciousness.

If you are ashamed of Islam, it is because you are looking at the bad eggs who in spite of being muslims do evil. My examples of normal muslims are many, and varied. But all of them have 1 thing in common; they are all converts and people say that they are better people because of Islam. They themselves will say this to you if you asked them. I will not be judged by the action of another, if I am not an influence to bring about that action. I am grateful to Allah for making my soul long for obedience to Him. I am a happy slave of my Lord.

@Gerald710; « #12 on: Yesterday at 10:10:45 PM »
[Quote]First of all Islam is a religion of PURE VIOLENCE as it is the only religion that advocates for the slaying of infidels.Christianity does not.And before you start quoting violent texts from the OT please read Romans 10.4 CHRISTIANS ARE NOT BOUND TO THE 636 LAWS OF THE OLD TESTAMENT WE ARE BOUND TO THE COVENANT CHRIST CREATED WHEN HE DIED.Get it! okay! [/b]Please show me [b]any violent text in the NT?Christianity of course has a bloody history(which doesn't apply to me coz it was a strictly european affair. Unlike Islam where all converts except the tanzanians are violent psychopaths).[/Quote]Since we are being honest here, the word infidel appears in the Book of Titus in the NT of the Bible, and there is no word for infidel in arabic, but there are words for disbelievers; Kafirun. I am now certain that your quoting Romans 10.4 to separate Christianity from if you will whatever Moses and Jesus practiced shows how really astray christianity is from the true religion of Jesus. And from NT, Jesus was reported to say that he brought swords and wars and divisions into the family, but not peace or family unity. Further, we read Jesus actually telling people that a certain king will command that they should bring before him and slaughter those from his kingdom who do not want him to reign over them. We actually read about his commanding his followers to buy swords by selling everything they have except whatever they are wearing and not hold on to anything else. If having nothing but the cloth on your back is not a sign of death wish, I don't know what that is?


[Quote]The Norwegian affair would have never happened if muslim iraqis never immigrated to Norway.Why do muslims insist on going to Europe,land of the infidels? stay home and leave us christians alone.[/Quote]and the christian europe and america have always been traveling to muslim Iraq for many decades. You are complaining about that, disrupting their society including their governance, so much so that they destroy the Islamic Kalifa office. Have you heard of Lawrence of Arabia, a damn englishman that britain rose up so that the arabs may go against the Ottoman turk's kalifa office. Welcome to truth.


[Quote]Last I checked,the London riots started as a black affair and christianity had nothing to do with it.Unlike islam WE HAVE SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND PERSONAL LIVES.and also europeans are secular than christian.[/Quote]why can't you say the hausas are just being hausas in their own cultural way, and Islam has nothing to do with it? I personally think that the hausas are being hausas in the political arena, using Islam to cover, instead of just coming out without dragging my religion into their mess. The hausa elites should know better. They seem not to get it. Islam is different from Arabs, Urdu, hausa or any people, culture, language. It stands alone and if you are deviating from it, you are not from it.

^Allahu Akbar. See. Nobody died.

A killer kills, he said Jesus, when he was doing his evil.

Does that mean shouting Jesus is only done when doing evil or the same signifies doing evil?

The same is the case with mentioning the Name of Allah.

those who mentioned it with evil will have to answer to Allah.

By the way, what was the french pilot shouting when he was dropping bombs on Libyans, killing scores of them leading to how Gaddafi was killed; Jesus Christ?

@Emofine; i have been asking you for the longest to pick up the Quran to read.
what do i have to do make you go for the adventure? after reading i will to read your thoughts.

@Emofine; sisi. i am a muslim.

@Aloy/emeka; « #14 on: November 10, 2011, 03:41 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on November 09, 2011, 12:16 PM


i need to get me that daughter of Toba, because i am sure i am somewhat 15 years older, intending to add a decade of two, through her to my age, if Allah Wills me to be live longer.

unless if toba already willed her to my brother in Islam as he promised, earlier.

we in islam do not compete again each other in matters of intending marriage, so i may have to find that young woman still.

definitely, muslim woman/women has/ve right over me, than any non muslim woman.


Which right does the woman have? In Islam?. In Urdu, women are called ‘aurat’ (عورت), which came from the Arabic word ‘awrah’ (عورة). The Arabic word refers to the Cores of a woman’s body, in a simple and straightforward word, which is called the ‘womanliness’. It means, the entire body of a Muslim woman is a huge womanliness and nothing else (Warraq, 2005. p. 316). How many Urdu speaking Asian Muslims know this fact that for referring their mothers, sisters and daughters, they use a word which actually degrades their women folks?

‘Nikah’ (Muslim marriage, النكاح) is an Arabic word whose literal meaning is penetration (Kaleeby, 2002; Warraq, 2005). It can be pronounced as ‘Nokh’, which again means the ‘awrah’, the giant womanliness, i.e, the entire body of a Muslim woman. When the word ‘Nikah’ is used to mean marriage, the actual meaning is not marriage but literally ‘intimate penetration’. Ignorant Muslims often use these words, without knowing their actual meaning and degrade their woman folks to the level of sex-slaves and cheap highway LovePeddlers.

Kasem (n. d) concluded that the method of securing such intimate / physical pleasure is very similar to a commercial / business transaction. In plain language, this is called prostitution. In all cases of marriage and sex, the women are treated merely as sex-objects, much like the provider of a service for which she must be paid some compensation.

Islam’s attitude towards women can better be understood from a sixteenth century treatise, The perfumed garden by Shaykh Nefzawi. “Do you know women’s religion is in their vaginas?” Nefzawi asked, “they are insatiable as per as their vulvas are concerned, and so long as their lust is satisfied they do not care whether it is a buffoon, a negro, a valet, or even a despised man. It is Satan, who makes the juices flow from their vaginas” (cited Warraq, 1995. p. 290).
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Islam’s attitude towards women can better be understood from a sixteenth century treatise, The perfumed garden by Shaykh Nefzawi. “Do you know women’s religion is in their vaginas?” Nefzawi asked, “they are insatiable as per as their vulvas are concerned, and so long as their lust is satisfied they do not care whether it is a buffoon, a negro, a valet, or even a despised man.

You are not also respected in Islam as a black man. Read the crossed text above and see where Islam places you as a negro.[/Quote]Just like everyone has his/her opinion, Paul had his, so were muslim scholars. Believe it or not, no one person opinion matters to me but the opinion of Abu Kasiim [as]. If anyone gives an opinion, I will weigh it using the dimension of what Abu Kasiin [as] says about the matter. If it is waht Abu Kasiim [as] says, then I will listen, if it is different, opposing it, I will reject, even if it is said with the greatest smile on the face or written on a gold leaf.

@Toba:^^^^^^^ lol. see what nu yo'k does? so listen to the lecture that madame professor is giving.
I love the way the women are teaching you courtship manners.

a man who turns a woman down just because she said right away, is completely emotional immature.

carry on ladies. teach toba [them rugby/american football i wanted to say; sorry soccer for the soccer nuts in the house] how is done.

@taniboo: but God Almighty created mind, if you will heart along with free will, which humans know good and evil by and exercise the freedom of choice.

Tree of life is a gimmick, because God had decided that man will die all along the reason the earth is created as the testing ground for right and wrong.

if God wanted us to live forever without the first death, Adam and Eve's simple mistake about the tree would not have mattered. we were created with the deficiencies of hastiness, forgetfulness, etc. But God's Mercy upon us is His Forgiveness for a starter, while His wrath on Satan is not forgiving him and those who will follow him among man and genie.

i don't know about Eden or the garden being on earth, but Adam and Eve were created in heaven and told to enter Paradise and dwell in its safety, except not to approach this specific tree, because they will become wrong doers.

At least taniboo knows herself and knows what she wants.
this is a good thing; a woman who is not shy.

you need to expand your spousal pool; include muslims. the muslim men are the best lovers for any God fearing lady.

marry well. i pray that good for you. Amin.

@Sahih_JP: « #46 on: Today at 08:30:36 AM »
[Quote]@Sweetnecta
Do recall what you told me on the other thread? You said:
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Islamic scholars are mere mortals. Muhammad, Jesus, etc, etc, etc [as] were mere mortals.
Muslim scholars can make mistakes. No one is perfect, because some details of the Quran is not known to any "mere mortal". Do you know the meaning of Alif in Surah Baqarah's first verse?
Father of Ibrahim was mentioned as Azhar. Some scholars denied that very statement, so when you bring up this "Islamic Scholar", I have the right to reject his statement or opinion. The only one among men I can disagree with or doubt his statement, was Muhammad [as].

The point of human fallibility that is possible (even amongst Muslim scholars) is what I had been trying to explain to Vedaxcool.[/Quote]Een among Bible writers, since God did not elect any of them as a Messenger, even not a prophet. Your Bible falls within this type of pitfall because of the bible writers and copyists from the Greek and Latin manuscripts instead of the authentic original in Semitic language[s]; {I know its lost and you can't get it back}, just like the hadith you quotes. You see how Allah answered your question; While He is Only One Who Knows what Alif means, His Messenger [as] is the only who knows most among mankind; This is why I said he was the only human that I can not disagree with or doubt his opinion. His statement about tell the future generations and their ability to understand it better than those who heard it, is the reason we see clearly some mistakes that earlier generation might have made based on their knowledge and resources, compared to what we have today.



[Quote]That is why I said:
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Waraqa cannot know the name of an angel who he never saw and who never introduced himself.
Even though Waraqa was a Christian at that time he was not infallible, especially since the angel did not tell Mohammed his name.[/Quote]Is there an Angel named Gabriel? Yes. Check your Bible. Allah has stated in Surah Baqarah about such an enmity towards Gabriel that you are displaying here. Finally, did Gabriel appeared to Muhammad [as], again after the initial appearance, that you are discrediting Waraqa, who soon died after this? Yes. Gabriel appeared for many times that it is really as many as the whole Quranic revelation is, less the singular 4 verses ending Baqarah that Allah revealed to Muhammad [as] on the occasion of Isra wa Miraj journey to heaven, which you guess it, Gabriel was the chaperon of Muhammad from Makka to Jerusalem [taking leadership by God's Permission from the children of Israel prophets and all mankind], from there to heaven and beyond, where Gabriel stopped at the point where you have the Lote Tree of the Utmost boundary [Surah Najm {The Stars. Read it} demarcates the afterlife from this life/worlds. Gabriel fought in many Islamic wars against the disbelievers. At the time of the death of Muhammad [as] Gabriel came with the angel of death. From the death of Waraqa to the death of Muhammad [as] there was almost 23 years. Gabriel appeared trough out these 23 years to Muhammad [as]. Did Muhammad [as] need Waraqa when Allah is Sufficient for believers and definitely for His Messenger [as]? Absolutely, not. Gabriel mentioned his own name at the first revelation, when he occupied the whole horizon before he disappeared, making sure that Muhammad [as] knew who came to him and the new position of Muhammad [as] from that onward. You need to read about that event, because you seem to be fighting mad. Ese.



[Quote]You did say:
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The only one among men I can disagree with or doubt his statement, [/b]was Muhammad [as].
You meant agree with and not disagree with was Mohammed. Now ask yourself:
Did the name 'Gabriel' originate from Mohammed? Did the name 'Gabriel' originate from from the cave visitor? Or did the name originate from Waraqa?
If you agree with Mohammed, and Mohammed agreed with Waraqa, then it is Waraqa that you agreed with. And Waraqa was a mere mortal.
Therefore, Waraqa could have been mistaken like the other scholar whose work you disagreed with in the other thread. That is all I am trying to get you to see. Think about it some more, and consider that much about Islam rest on whether Waraqa was right or wrong.
What if Waraqa were wrong, since no man can tell the unrevealed name of angels, just as "alif lam mim" remains a mystery in Sura, Al- Baqarah.[/Quote]I corrected myself by saying the only one I can not disagree with or doubt his statement. That is a stronger statement than your 'agree', because i don't disagree with people, muslim or not as long as they are speaking the truth. My position therefore is that you are not telling the truth. Read my statement about the sirah of Muhammad [as] on the occasion of Gabriel first appearance to the one who often visited the cave for spiritual contemplation [as]. After the first revelation of the first 5 verses of Surah Qalaq, Gabriel occupied the whole horizon, whereby he was unavoidable to the sight of Muhammad, and his voice was audible to Muhammad saying to him "I am Gabriel and you are a Prophet of God". Muhammad [as] did not need to have Waraqa validate anything, because after his death, a whopping 23 years, Gabriel came often, carrying revelation to Muhammad [as] and fighting on the side of Muhammad [as] and his companion [ra] against disbelievers, the declared enemy of God. I do hope you will goggle what is known as hadith of Jibril 'he came to teach you your religion". Note that this was in Madina and many companions saw him.



[Quote]Note: When we wander into the unrevealed dimension of spiritual consciousness, we cannot be so bold and definite because we have no guide. Why would Waraqa's concrete naming of an angel who did not bother to reveal himself, be an exception. What power did Waraqa possess to know the name that was not revealed to Mohammed? Was Waraqa greater than Mohammed? How come Waraqa knew what Mohammed and Khadijah did not know, even though the couple were the founders of the faith, Islam?[/Quote]WHile you are wondering in darkness upon another darkness upon another darkness, as if you are in the farthest dept of the open, alone, let me tell you that in Islam, Allah continues to protect us and guide many who are not arrogant and full of empty boastful pride to this noble way of life. Waraqa was a christian and knew that Gabriel was the Angel sent to Moses and also the one sent to shore up Jesus when he was in need. Allah gave Gabriel as appropriate. Is God not Capable of all He wills? You do believe there are Angels. You do believe one of them is named Gabriel. have you seen any Angel and have you seen Gabriel, that you believe exist? How difficult can it be for God to effectuate Gabriel to His chosen final prophet, the Messenger {as}? Pharaoh was not a spiritually powerful man, he did not even have the right spiritual guidance. Yet he was the one that saw that Moses will be born and be the one that will destroy his kingdom. How about the one who was the butler, telling Joseph the dream of his own beheading? Did the dead butler while alive have any power? Of course not, but God used him and can use anyone He wills. He used Waraqa only to mention Gabriel's name, again, since Muhammad [as] heard the name from the mouth of Gabriel himself and continue to know him as such for 23 years. If that didn't conince your hard heart, the Isra wa Miraj should that Gabriel accompanied Muhammad [as] on.



[Quote]Think Sweetnecta. Think. That is what we came here to do: to provoke thoughts. They are dead who have lost their willingness to think.[/Quote]I am thinking, JP. I think you need to not bear Sahih. I think you need to accept 100 folds for rewards of wives or husbands when you abandon one because of Jesus.

^^^^ I know detroit.
The ills of detroit, indeed michigan and in general usa is economy. it is the economy stu.pid, as they say in the american politics.

america lost the edge. motown as in motor town lost its luster, except their women. i guess the women thing is because of its black bloodline.

muslims are the new irish. or the poles.

or the jews.

everyone is a target at some point in the american economic cycle.

let them pray for summer to return in the great lake areas, detroit included. that will be a Christian miracle.

I will be eager to see them call on their God or gods.

Emeka is almost becoming international amebo.

^ I am much much older than 37. but i look like a 36 year old guy.

if a person says that i said i am 36 in 2011 to you in 2040, will that make him/her correct?

apply the same to Aisha [ra]. you can only know how old she was by going back to when she was born.

we can only know when she was born by examining her life in light of major events in her family and or in her society.

The major event that will come to mind is when Islam came to Makka, and therefore when it entered her family.

she was the last child of Abu Bakr [ra]. Investigate the life of Abu Bakr in relationship to Islam.

He entered Islam in the first year. He was a friend of the Messenger [as], even before this.
They lived in the same neighborhood and members of the same charitable organization, protecting the weak that came to Makka against the bullies.

Abu Bakr entered Islam, his first son refused to enter. He denounced being his father. His wife, the mother of Aisha refused to enter just as well. He divorced her, and kept little Aisha to himself, while the woman left his household without the last child. At this time, Aisha was already engaged to be married to a future husband.

This was year 610. As the arab custom was, then, she should have been left with her mother, if she was till a child needing bre.ast feeding, or not matured enough to be independent from her.

How early can a child be weaned from milk and now eat only solid foods, that she does not need anyone to feed him/her? Lets say 3 years old. But she does not need the mother now, that she is okay with dad, siblings and step mother, who was not her wet nurse. Lets een take the extreme position that her step mother was her wet nurse. Definitely she was already born by the time her father entered islam, because there was no part of Islamic history that says that Abu Bakr went back to the pagan woman, Aisha's mother after divorcing her to get her pregnant with a new baby out of wedlock. No spouse who when divorce was not even mandatory get divorced and then rendezvous behind the back alley with each other.

The fact that Aisha was already engaged to a suitor, knew when some early Makkan surahs were revealed and their reasons, was independent enough that her father was willing to let her move into the future husband's family home, becoming their future wife's custodian, etc, tells us that by the 15th year of Islam, being the 2nd year of Hijr, Aisha could not have been left than 15, considering that she was one of the 3 siblings who entered Islam with her father, at the time he entered it.

If she was 4 at the time her father divorced her remaining a pagan mother, then she will not be less than 19 in the 2nd year of Hijr.

Could she be looking like a 9 year old at 19, and a 6 year old at 16, considering that her hairs fell out from all the pressure of the new faith, still managing to participate as she should to formulate her marriage contract, you bet. I am thinking some people, knowingly or unknowingly, like the Bible copyists change the details, dropping 1 in front to further their evil agendas. Just like how Jesus became one of the 3 that is God, so did 16 became 6 and 19 became 9.


Ogebeni Toba, I thought you are giving your daughter to a muslims guy? Suddenly she is your future wife?

Omo yoruba ni e o. Agbodo maa seee. It is spiritually immoral. Ko sobinrin laiye moo ni?


Abeg, christian woman, give Toba the attention. he is needy.

Not like the Muslim Miskin, or Yetim.

thank you JP, since you are not really "SAHIH", for saying agree, but cant/can not disagree is what I wanted to pen. It is the more accurate, since i am not always disagreeing with "muslims', scholar or not. I will not even disagree with you, necessarily because you are not a muslim, but your lack of truth is why i am disagreeing with you.

you can quote all the 'hadith' you want, the truth remains; your God, is One and His Personal Name is Allah. And Muhammad [as], is the Messenger of your time, the one you must seek your ultimate salvation from what he was given, while Jesus [as] was a Messenger of his time, yesterday. Men and women will be rewarded, in Mercy with what they will be rewarded with of sex.ual benefit with their mates in a fully saturated manner, when they are in Jannah.

Men and women will punished with what they will be punished with in Hell, without the men getting more punishment because of being of male gender, while women get less punished. Think about this situation in Hell because there is no Mercy by Justice which brings in the Punishment.

Tell your friend the scholar, that a mere muslim says, if his exegesis was in sincere scholarship, he will at least get a full reward for effort, regardless of being wrong and if he is correct, he will get twice the reward, one for effort, and the other for correct understanding.

Hell is the opposite of Paradise.

If women and men are punished fully without saying men should be punished in this aspect or that because he is equipped differently from man, though the crime [say se.xuality] was the same, then one will expect and should know by this that reward in Paradise of sex.ual abstinent shall be the same. Will male or female of paradise have the jealousy or envy in them? Of course not. The human quality in Paradise is different and completely superior.

@Sahih_JP: « #51 on: Yesterday at 05:53:08 PM »
[Quote]@Sweetnecta

Read what a fellow Muslim wrote and tell me if he shares your belief that there are male houris. Go through his entire article and tell me one surah or hadith that support your view of houris as men or husbands. Since mere mortals can't get the message across to you, I have decided to invite a Muslim scholar to try.[/Quote]Islamic scholars are mere mortals. Muhammad, Jesus, etc, etc, etc [as] were mere mortals.
Muslim scholars can make mistakes. No one is perfect, because some details of the Quran is not known to any "mere mortal". Do you know the meaning of Alif in Surah Baqarah's first verse?

Father of Ibrahim was mentioned as Azhar. Some scholars denied that very statement, so when you bring up this "Islamic Scholar", I have the right to reject his statement or opinion. The only one among men I can disagree with or doubt his statement, was Muhammad [as].

Houris, for man. There must be for woman, something Allah has kept for them specially that no eye have seen. Is that not the man, since the eyes have not seen woman houris before?

[Quote]Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "The first batch (of people) who will enter Paradise will be (glittering) like a full moon; and those who will enter next will be (glittering) like the brightest star. Their hearts will be as if the heart of a single man, for they will have no enmity amongst themselves, and everyone of them shall have two wives, each of whom will be so beautiful, pure and transparent that the marrow of the bones of their legs will be seen through the flesh. They will be glorifying Allah in the morning and evening, and will never fall ill, and they will neither blow their noses, nor spit. Their utensils will be of gold and silver, and their combs will be of gold, and the fuel used in their centers will be the aloes-wood, and their sweat will smell like musk." (Sahih Bukhari 4.54.469)

The houris are the beautiful, pure and transparent ladies of paradise. Sahih Bukhari recognized them as wives in this hadith and makes no reference to husbands amongst them. The same line of thought is repeated in yet another hadith by Bukhari:

Volume 4, Book 54, Number 476:

Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "The first batch (of people) who will enter Paradise will be (glittering) like the full moon, and the batch next to them will be (glittering) like the most brilliant star in the sky. Their hearts will be as if the heart of a single man, for they will have neither enmity nor jealousy amongst themselves; everyone will have two wives from the houris, (who will be so beautiful, pure and transparent that) the marrow of the bones of their legs will be seen through the bones and the flesh." (Sahih Bukhari 4.54.476)

Abu Huraira who narrated this hadith was closer to Islam and the prophet of Allah more than any modern Islamic cleric or scholar alive, since Huraira was a companion of the prophet. Yet Huraira never mentioned husbands amongst the houris. The doctrine must have cropped up after the founding fathers of Islam passed on.[/Quote]Founding fathers of Islam includes Adam, Enoch, Noah, Ibrahim the father of true faith {as to all], etc and then it is completed on Muhammad [as], in the company of his companions [as]. It is true that the companions are closer to the messenger. But the messenger [as] knowing that knowledge is unlimited to his generation stated in his last sermon that the companions should spread what he said, that day and definitely Islam around the world, because those who were not there on that greatest hajj may hear in later generations, like right now, and understand what was said that day, even in more finite details.

For example, it has be discovered now the time of Fajr in a big city like New York, without having to gaze at the mountain that is not there in the middle of no where with the neon light lightening up the places, including the sky. This discovery saves a fasting person from having to erroneously put a black thread and white thread together, without the other variables considered, including thickness and the intensity of the whiteness or blackness of the threads. You see the benefit of knowledge, allowing us to know that when a man says women, the woman will definitely say men when she repeats the same statement. Or there will not be any woman in Islamic paradise, since you are the spoke man for them?




[Quote]"The Prophet Muhammad was heard saying: ‘The smallest reward for the people of paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives (houris), over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana'a [Yemen]’." [Tafsir Ibn Kathir]

Ibn Kathir's version of paradise increased the number of houris to 72. He said all 72 would be wives. He too never recalled hearing of male houris who would be husbands to Muslim women.[/Quote]I will be a houri to my wife, because I am her Zauj, right now. If she wants 72 of me, then Allah will provide me to be her 72. Ise/ [the amin of bini people].Allah is capable.

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Every wife is a houri, too for the husband. So is the every husband is a houri for the wife. Houri is not just the houri created and no man and jinn ever touched. A woman who goes to paradise without her earthly husband will have her own newly minted houri of a man/husband.

The definition and the portrayal of the houris is always female:

Houris (Ar. hawra' or huriyyah pl. hur). The female companions, perpetual virgins, of the saved in paradise. They are the symbols of spiritual states of rapture. (Koran 2:23; 3: 14; 4: 60). (Glasse, Cyril. The New Encyclopedia of Islam. NY. Alta Mira P, 2002.)

The encyclopedia of Islam defines the houris as females.

“whom no man or jinn has opened their hymens with intimate intercourse before” (Sura 55:70-77),

Men have no hymen.

“Therein gardens will be fair wives good and beautiful; Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you deny? Houris restrained in pavilions; (Sura 55: 72)

The restrain talked about in this sura speaks of a form of purdah or separation which Allah did not prescribe for males. So if they are male houris they cannot be restrained in pavilions. Allah has not prescribe purdah for the male. [/Quote]Nothing in Chapters 2 through 4 speaks about Houris. As a matter of fact, if we use the ruling of marriage on earth as point of reference, we see that a woman is supposed to be a pubescence to qualify for marriage, because the word balagha means reaching age of puberty. What do you think is the minimum age for male to get married, less than puberty or same as female? But man is not even mentioned regarding minimum age. If the issue of marriage is equal, how is the issue of relationship in paradise going to be different, except that paradise is a life of ease?

Verse 70 of Surah 55 said women, not other verses mention women or hymen. Its a shame that this is amplified while you want to sweep 100 folds under the rug.

@Sahih_JP: This video speaks about Islam being a middle nation, not favoring man or woman.
Please watch the 4th to 7th minutes of what is less than 11 minutes;

Title of video: Surah Fatiha Final part: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-799957.0.html

@Toba: « #45 on: Yesterday at 10:34:20 PM »
[Quote]If the genealogy indicates that Joseph descended from King David, this narrative explains in what sense this son of David (1: 20) became Jesus' legal father by adoption. In this brief narrative Matthew provides not only an account of the virgin birth but reinforcement of the Christian view of Scripture and of Christ along with various principles of Christian ethics. Because this is Matthew's opening narrative, I treat it in rather extensive detail as a sample of the kinds of applications we can draw from Matthew's accounts.[/Quote]Apart from the bold which I will use to draw out the accuracy of Mary being sister of Aaron, what follows was gibberish starting from but after the word birth on the 2nd line. The murkiness makes the reading very confusing. Heck, Mary and his baby were not normal than the usual mother son, until he began to attend the Temples. So I should ask the christians, who told you about the life of Mary, her pregnancy, etc; Jesus or Mary while both were alive, or God while both were no more alive? The story of the family of Muhammad [as] was told by everyone who saw them, there is no need to reveal to people what they saw, witnessed. there is no book of Jesus. there is no book of Mary. so who is telling you these concocted stories?

Joseph is descendant of David, hence his adopted son, who does not share his blood is now son of David, not by adoption, but blood son of David, while you frown on Mary being the sister of same blood children of Israel? Toba, this is injustice and i demand a recount.

@Sahih_JP: « #38 on: November 09, 2011, 05:34 PM »
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I think Sahih_JP does know that no man can sleep with more than one woman at a time.

I beg to defer. I have heard of strange things not fit for a lady's ears. We live in a corrupt word, and just because you and I have reposed ourselves on teachings that demand that we eschew evil and choose what is right does not mean that the rest of the world have the restrictions to which you allude.[/Quote]every man has one equipment that he can use for the woman. A woman must be in from of the man to be able to use the equipment. The case of the woman is different. The man does not have to be in front of her for her to get the equipment. And she can get the equipment in many ways including orally. You see the different.

For you to say that you eschew evil, but denies what Jesus himself about se.x in heaven just because you can see it clearly in Islam is disingenuous to say the least. If Muslim man has houris and the muslim woman don't have any, at least she has her husband, still, while 100 folds of wives will replace the 1 wife that the Christian man left for Jesus. Ironically, the woman may not have any husband while the man had 100 folds, or does the woman who left 1 husband now gets 100 folds, too? The immorality of this is that it encourages divorce, while the Islam destination does not in this world.



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What Allah then describes of paradise is taking the case of man as the example and refrains the woman in my opinion

It is good to have an opinion. However, Islamic ideologies cannot be based on Muslim's opinion. Allah has not called you to express your opinion but to submit to his word.[/Quote]Opinion is a humble way, islamically of saying I know, because after all we write "Allah Knows Best". We are not arrogant and there is no pride in our statement.

In support of true opinion of muslim, as i have used it, Allah says of the people and their dog in the refuge of the cave in Surah Kahf [Allah knows and people grounded in knowledge], to show that as long as the statement from man is drawn from and in agreement with the Quran. A man who marries 1 wife is correct, just as the one with 2 wives, or the one with 3 wives and the one with 4 wives, but not the one with 1 plus 2 plus 3 plus 4 or the one with 2 times 3 times 4 plus or minus 1 wives or 2 to power 3 to power 4 plus or minus 1 wives.

Further Allah has blessed the muslim community with mercy to be able to think and come up with statement that does not disagree with the Quran and the way of the messenger [as]. What Allah gave to Muhammad [as] specifically without anyone else having that privilege is/are known. And when Allah says it is not fitting for believers to have an opinion when Allah and his messenger [as] have decreed a thing, it simply means no opinion that is not accordant to what has been decreed. Allah says worship Him at night. A worshiper may do it 30 minutes before fajr, while another does it for 2 hours; both of them have opinions, though differ, but agree within the framework of the command to worship after midnight.

Sahih_JP finally revealed himself.

Lare, Sahih_JP.

I need to introduce you to authentic bini boys who love buttered bread and they love Islam.

They are working on their parents, now to enter Islam. Koyo ooooo.

^^^^^^Frosbel, my foreign Igbo brother, bia, if Sahih_JP is your educator, your punishment may actually begin, just as his, at the point of dying.

Is a witch [woman who may end up in hell; jahannam] going to have the same life as a pious woman [say wife of Zacharia [mother of John, the John that bar mitsvah [jewish rite of adulthood at age 13] Jesus], who ends up in Jannah; Paradise?

On earth, real woman enjoy se.x with her legal man spouse. Jesus said as it done on earth so it is done in heaven. You are now believing Sahih_JP that there is no s.ex in heaven? Or women want many men on top of her at the same time, when she will not want that on earth?

For an igboman, you disappoint me, because all the igbo chaps i know are experts in women. England must have taken out the igbo blood out of you. No wonder you speak english better than you speak igbo. I wish i can throw down igbo proverbs to shame your fake mind.

If 100 folds is not 100 times whatever, then Sahih_JP had made Jesus a liar. Is any Christian expecting us to believe when a fisherman left fishing and became a fisher of men, that that is not 100 folds already? Why will 100 folds in heaven not exactly 100 times whatever pleases Jesus to his 'flocks'?

Adam [as] must have been excited when he saw fine woman Eve, as mate, companion, consort, who was his wife. Wife, what does wife bo with husband except sleep with him? What does husband do with wife except sleep with her?


To say that Adam and Eve had wholesome worry free life, and no se.x in it is ignoring a great reason to have a spouse. To then imagine that those who will return to that life of robust wholesome worry free life and se.x will be eliminated from it, are those people who think that it will all be singing and clapping of hands. How they even think that it will be clapping of hands and singing beats me, when the holy spirit could not even help himself from getting to Mary [your idea, my firm understanding of what you sketched, but afraid to draw].


A serious man can be the many man a woman wants in bed, if it comes to that. So the idea that 1 serious man can't be enough for a woman, is from Sahih_JP. And if he is a man, I think he needs to work harder about the needs of his wife. Believe me, she will not die.

[Quote]« #87 on: Yesterday at 04:03:22 PM »

I know what I am about to say is not politically correct , but Muhammad ( PBUH ) was a stark liar and truth twister.[/Quote]Because it is unacceptable that Mary the mother of Jesus is referred as sister of Haruun, while it is acceptable the Joseph the carpenter is referred as son of David, and Jesus is referred as son of Joseph, son of David, son of Adam and oh not son of God; refer to your two genealogy pieces.

^^^ The Biblical conclusion above is a lot of lies. Then the real truth; {Jesus is no son of God; read your genealogy}.

Yet i am a brother to the guy called Frosbel. But he can marry from my bloodline, if he were a muslim. I can marry from his bloodline, if she becomes muslim. Why are we brothers, again, and Mary can't be sister of Haruun, yet the whole of mankind are children of Adam, our mutual father?

@Toba; « #44 on: Yesterday at 10:29:40 PM »

old man i seriously dont know what your issues are cos u are educated but the way u reason sometimes leaves me perplexed and begin to doubt your logic.

what exactly are u reading or getting your posts from? Theres nothing all muslims put together can come up with to challenge christianity that u can come out tops.

U are just making wrong assertions. l will do u a favour by quoting what happened between Joseph and Mary prior to the birth of christ and thereafter

Matt 1 vs18 This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about [ a ] : His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit.

remember that this indicates that he was not the husband of a future wife, yet.



[Quote]19 Because Joseph her husband was faithful to the law, and yet [ b ] did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.[/Quote]in verse 18, he was only a future husband. all of a sudden in verse 19, he had became the husband. Question; when did they get married, or there is no need for marriage ceremony, anymore? The Jews made exception for this couple? That is adultery on the part of Joseph and fornication on the part of Mary, if it happened like that.



[Quote] 20 But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David,[/Quote]Even the Jewish God, Yahweh said similar about Joseph and David to what Allah Says in the Quran about Mary and Haruna.



[Quote] do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife,[/Quote]In verses 18 and 19 at least it seemed as if Mary was finally married. Then here, already in verse 20, we read that he was being instructed to take her not keep her as a wife. Take is something of just about to happen, while keep her will indicate that it has already happened.



[Quote] because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.[/Quote]From Holy Spirit, but from Father.



[Quote] 21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus,[/Quote]He is not to be called Immanuel. This is the latest news, Jesus is supposed to be his name, says the angel of the Lord in NT, not what Issiah of OT said. anyone can be that Immanuel or there is no Immanuel, ever.



[Quote] [ c ] because he will save his people from their sins.”[/Quote]His people the children, the reason he said his mission was central to the lost sheep of the house of Israel [children of Jacob], not saving the whole world, which is beyond the boundary of the territory of the children of Israel.



[Quote] 22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23 “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” [ d ] (which means “God with us”). here they called her a virgin cos no man on earth has touched her[/quote]The bible contradict itself. Jesus was the name that the angel of the Lord just revealed to Joseph, not Immanuel. So in reality, God is not yet with you because the Immanuel part has not happened.



[Quote]24 When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife.[/Quote]And took Mary home, just after this, as his newly minted wife, without any ceremony of marriage. This is evil and unacceptable.



[Quote]25 But he did not consummate their marriage until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus i believe mr sweetnecta can read that Joseph never slept with Mary until after she gave birth[/Quote]While the name was Jesus according to what Yahweh sent His Angel to tell Joseph, we should know that the Immanuel part of the story is now reserved for somebody else. Who that person is, is up for grab, but definitely not Jesus, if the NT part of the story is true, OT Immanuel belongs to the future. There is no indication that Joseph ever slept with Mary, because there was no indication that she was ever pregnant after the pregnancy of which Jesus was born.

In conclusion, Mr. Toba, it is interesting to see that you did not analyze what the Bible was saying; from future husband and wife to wife without marriage ceremony, to now take her home as your wife, instead of keep her home as your wife. How can we now be sure that Joseph and Mary had any intercourse, considering the inconsistency of sequence of events of their marriage?

^ 9ja bravado; from Toba.

A Word from God indeed. So is Mary not being mother to any other child. So is Joseph being the father of children from earlier wives or wife.

Imagine if Joseph had never made babies, at 70 something, do you think Zacharias will give virgin Mary, who was pregnant to him? I hope you didnt forget that your God sent His Angels to Joseph to tell him to take "his wife", a woman he had not married?

Have you seen a religious fiancee that is already calling the future spouse his wife or her husband? fiancee is an unmarried person waiting for the marriage ceremony. this ceremony marks the beginning of when you really have a spouse; husband or wife.

I guess Joseph didn't have to marry Mary before Yahweh sent words through the Angel that Jesus is the son of Joseph.

so Mary is no more a virgin and Joseph is the father of Jesus?

Read your bible and dispute the fatherhood of Joseph to his son Jesus.

That will teach you something.