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@Alethea; Al-Bukhari recorded `A'ishah saying that the Messenger of Allah erected a Minbar in the Masjid on which Hassan bin Thabit (the renowned poet) used to defend the Messenger of Allah (with his poems). The Messenger of Allah said, (O Allah! Aid Hassan with Ruh Al-Qudus, for he defended Your Prophet.)


Abu Dawud recorded this Hadith in his Sunan as did At-Tirmidhi who graded it Hasan Sahih. Further, Ibn Hibban recorded in his Sahih that Ibn Mas`ud said that the Prophet said, (Ruh Al-Qudus informed me that no soul shall die until it finishes its set provisions and term limit. Therefore, have Taqwa of Allah and seek your sustenance in the most suitable way.)

And Allah Knows Best!

http://www.muslim-responses.com/

@Alethea; Which the trustworthy Rooh has brought down' [al-Shu'ara' 26:193]
then We sent to her our Rooh' [Maryam 19:17]."

@Alethea: Chapter on the meaning of Rooh al-Qudus:

Allaah said (interpretation of the meaning):

"O ?Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Remember My Favour to you and to your mother when I supported you with Rooh ul Qudus [Jibreel (Gabriel)]."

[al-Maa'idah 5:110]

Allaah supported the Messiah (peace be upon him) with Rooh al-Qudus as He mentions in this aayah. In al-Baqarah Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

"And We gave ?Eesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), clear signs and supported him with Rooh-ul-Qudus [Jibreel (Gabriel)]

[al-Baqarah 2:87]

@alethea; On the matter of Jibril [as] being the holy spirit, here is whetting your appetite:

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YUSUFALI: Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims.

So the Holy spirit has brought down the Quran to the prophet Muhammad, this is non other than the angel Jibreel, this is what the Quran says concerning Jibreel:

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YUSUFALI: Say: Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel-for he brings down the (revelation) to thy heart by Allah's will, a confirmation of what went before, and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe,-

@Tpia@: « #49 on: Today at 05:20:09 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: LagosShia on Today at 05:13:16 AM
i know it must have offended you.but sorry,there is really nothing in your post to "understand".its the usual christian rhetoric to make people believe through obedience without understanding which is equal to blindness.i really dont know what wisdom and understanding it requires man to comprehend basic truths and realities.


^^no, i wasnt offended.

i knew it wasnt the answer you wanted to hear, but the fact remains Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world.[/Quote]Is Jesus the king of the Jews or not? Is he not the king that the christians yell 'every knee shall bow'? Is he not the king of kings as the christians say? if not on this earth, how many kings in heavens that Jesus is going to be their king?

anti Tpia@ e je jawo kuro ni nu apon tio yo.

@Frosbel: You are becoming impossible to have dialogue with.
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Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 12:04:59 AM
@Frosbel can you proof to me that one of them is wrong, considering that Satan was cony enough to carry Jesus to the top of the mountain and then asked him to jump to his death so that he want to see if 'his Father' can save him. Did Jesus jump to disprove satan? Satan didnt stop there with Jesus, since he had drove him into the wilderness for 40 day [?] before.

Satan then took Jesus on a mountain again and showed him the whole world [how did satan do that, then you will know if satan was what they say Muhammad said about him in the hadith you listed above. Until you can disprove that satan didn't show Jesus the whole world from a mountain on earth, you cant even begin to analyze any hadith about satan, a being that you can see, and smart enough to challenge your God [read the bible, its your book]] and demand Jesus to worship him and the whole world he will give to Jesus. Did Jesus say to satan, i am your God, you should worship me or i destroy you now?

further satan then took some bread and said he will give Jesus to eat so that he is not hungry any longer since he had for hunger curse the fig tree before, if Jesus worshiped him. Did Jesus say to him, I am your God you should worship me right now, otherwise i will myself still in heave destroy you right here, even if myself on earth cant do do because i am powerless as i am standing here with you?

satan then made sure he let Jesus know it because satan went in inside Peter the rock of Jesus until Jesus called Peter satan himself.


Now with all of the above, do you know how satan operate, if Jesus was cajoled by him? so how do you dispute with Muhammad [as], the only one who came after Jesus so that the role of another comforter is fulfilled if Jesus was accurate, since it is :the prophet" who will do all of them, not Elijah because John was it, according to Jesus and according to John, he was not Elijah, and Jesus was the messiah of the children of israel?


The other day I saw a video of a sheikh warning Muslims against disregarding Muhammad’s sunna, or the rules and customs the prophet prescribed for Muslims. To support his point, he read a hadith wherein Muhammad told Muslims: “When you wake up from sleep to pray, wash your hand before you put it in the ablution water, for you do not know where your hand has spent the night.”

Sheikh demonstrates how far up his rectum the rebellious man's arm was shoved for ignoring Muhammad's command

Then the sheikh told about a man who, upon hearing Muhammad’s words, deridingly said, “What, am I not going to know where my own hand has been?!”[/Quote]Have you seen anyone who ever accurately described every minute of his sleep at night? If sleep is the little or temporary death, how is a person who died temporarily able to tell anyone what his hand did or not? A woman complained that he husband often slapped her in his sleep. When the loving husband heard this he apologized and said i dont know what i do in my sleep. Many people sleep walk. You must heard about sleep walk in britain?



[Quote]This man woke up to find his arm--from hand to elbow--shoved up his anus.

The moral of the story? It is dangerous to ignore Muhammad’s words. The sheikh stressed the authoritative source of this anecdote, Sharh Sahih Muslim, and read its closing warning: “Thus let the mortal fear Allah and not make light of the sunna--for see what happened to this man for rebelling and mocking the words of the prophet.”[/Quote]If a person claims he is a prophet of God, test his spirit of prophetic office by seeing if what he says comes to past. If it does he is truly a spirit from God. if one thing he says does not come to past, he is not a spirit from God. You should not follow him. This is from the Bible, spoken by Jesus it says. But Jesus promised a walking, hearing and talking another comforter to correct teach, lead, show, glorify. We have not seen such a person, instead it is God as a flaming tongue on pentecost that shows up.
Jesus promised he will be back with at least a disciple on earth. All of the 12 are dead and Jesus is still out there and you frosbel is waiting for him; you are neither a jew nor one of the 12 disciples. Jesus said "the Prophet" will come, while John is Elijah which John says he is not, Jesus is the Messiah. Where is "The Prophet"?



[Quote]There is a reason why Islam’s guardians--past and present--always threaten Muslims to take the sunna seriously: Muhammad has said any number of bizarre or perverse things that naturally provoke abhorrence, if not laughter.

Let us examine just one: the notion of adult breastfeeding, or rida’ al-kabir in Islam, which started when Muhammad commanded a woman to “breastfeed” a grown man. Because it is contained in a canonical hadith, today, nearly 1400 years later, top Muslim authorities still advocate this perverse practice. After all, to reject it or any other canonical hadith is to reject the sources and methodology of usul al-fiqh--in short, to reject Sharia.[/Quote]I completely say that the first bold is false, by saying that it disagree with the true SHARIA, the Quran. There is no place that woman and man are allowed to see each others unclothedness. My grown nieces I cant see their unclothedness. My mother and or my older sisters, none of them can see my unclothedness, now. The only one that can see my unclothedness is my wife. Breasts of a woman is part of her sex organ. Muhammad [as] will not permit a thing that is step 7 or 8 if sexual intercourse is step 10, while God says do not even come close to illegal sex. If the hadith exists, that is an example of fabricated hadith. If any school suggests it, thats an example of perverted hypocrites. If a woman goes along with, know that she is a community property and this is the outlet she has been waiting for to go for whats in her mind. If a man participated in it, know that is a man who is even worse than the woman.



[Quote]Now, let us connect the dots to see how the bizarre in Islam demonstrates the violent.

Consider: If Muslims are still compelled to be true to things like “adult breastfeeding,” simply because 7th century Muhammad said so, is it not logical to accept that they embrace their prophet’s even better documented and unequivocal words concerning the infidel?[/Quote]They love his words so much and rejected Jesus that the Bible written before his birth borrowed from the prophet yet unborn the word Infidel in the book of Timothy.



[Quote]Look at it this way: the issue of adult breastfeeding is embarrassing for Muslims; far from providing them with any sort of advantage or benefits, it places them, especially their women, in a ludicrous position (indeed, it is ranked first in this list of “top ten bizarre or ridiculous fatwas“). So why is it still a relevant issue among Muslims? Because Muhammad once commanded it. Thus, like it or not, Muslims must somehow come to grips with it.[/Quote]Muhammad [as] saying or as you put it commandment is sunnah at least, but not Fatwa. Fatwa is given by "scholars' thinking that he draws his statement [fatwa] from Quran and or Sunnah. The fact that you classify the 'breastfeeding' as fatwa tells me that Muhammad [as] has nothing to do with it.



[Quote]What, then, of Muhammad’s other commandments--commandments that, if upheld, far from embarrassing Muslims, provide them with power, wealth, and hedonistic joys--that is, commandments that jibe quite well with mankind’s most primitive impulses? I speak of Muhammad’s (and by extension Sharia’s) commandments for Muslims to wage war (“jihad”) upon the infidel, to plunder the infidel of his wealth, women, and children, and to keep him in perpetual subjugation--all things that define Islam’s history vis-à-vis the non-Muslim.[/Quote]Few days ago we posted hadith that Muhammad [as] says 'do not kill women [children, old people and those who are not fighting against you]'. you seem to have just thrown all of that away and want us to forget it exist, instead to follow your course of deceit. I know that you are trying hard not to fulfill your own promise to quit christianity if you find Jesus of the Bible lying. after many, you are here, once again going at it. After a while you we find that you can not speak the truth, because lying feels so much comfortable in your heart.



[Quote]other words, the Muslim mentality that feels the need to address adult breastfeeding, simply because Muhammad once advised it, must certainly be sold on the prophet’s constant incitements for war and conquest.[/Quote]it is now downgraded to advise. breastfeeding is now by some weird relationship is an incitement for war and conquest. Note to self; Maybe a man who is not have adult breastfeeding will command war; is that made George Bush go for Iraq?



[Quote]Living in an era where the Muslim world is significantly weaker than the infidel world, and so currently incapable of launching a full-on offensive, one may overlook this fact. But the intention is surely there. One need only look to how non-Muslim minorities, especially Christians, are treated in the Muslim world--where they are persecuted, kidnapped, violated and ransacked--to be sure of it.[/Quote]in the mid 1990s, Serbian killed there muslim brothers; the croats in animal slaughter fashion. The take on this by frosbel is that Milosevic is not a christian killing muslims for their religion. Incidentally until crusade and Spanish pogrom and Inquisitions christiams and jews advanced under the muslim authority.

^^^^Ola Pluto gave the shortest version of what i said. we all agree that if will be absurd that you arrive in a place and you break you fast by the time of your origin when where you are now its just time for salatul zuhr.

and in the reverse, you cant be fasting still at midnight in you destination, just because they have not broken fast in your place of origin.

imagine traveling to a place that takes a good chunk of a day? when do you start a new fast before arriving at your destination if you already broke the fast started from place of origin or break a fast started from your origin, otherwise you will be arriving at the follow day say at 10 am?

Allah blesses Islam with ease and ability to think about an issue, apparent or otherwise, as long as it is harmful but helpful to us, and not against any part of Islam, it will be Sharia.

[Quote]How can Muslims know if their good deeds outweigh their bad ones? There is only one alternative, Christ, who alone gives us the assurance of salvation: 1 John 5:11-15: “And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God. Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. And if we know that He hears us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we have asked of Him.”[/Quote]christ is not an alternative, because his time is gone now, the same way the time of moses was gone at the time of jesus. when a muslim hates evil that he used to love to do, he should know that Allah is telling him that he is getting better, because Allah says he will become the eyes a true believers sees with, the ears he hears with. etc, etc.





[Quote]Acts 13:26 “Men and brethren, sons of the family of Abraham, and those among you who fear God, to you the word of this salvation has been sent.”

If you are interested in assurance of salvation to be able to stand in the presence of God with glories forever more we need to heed what apostle Peter said: “Neither is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).

Why would a Christian who knows God personally want to give up their free gift of salvation and the assurance of eternal life for the religion of Islam; where they must depend upon their own works to give them only a possibility of salvation?

This is why I’m a believer in Jesus and the Bible, and will remain one: because it is in line with what ALL the prophets have taught; it does not contradict them, it proves them.[/Quote]let me introduce you to Dr Jerald Derk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaWitFMQJMI&feature=fvst


watch all videos; the one that may be particular with your interest.

[Quote]Jesus said, “Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends” (John 15:13). John 3:16-17 declares “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. “For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.” It is only an honest and searching heart that can respond to the love seen in Jesus and come to know the love of God personally.

In contrast to the Bibles gospel, the Koran say Allah only loves the Muslim and not all people? This is quite a difference as The Bible explains God loved us before we submit to God, while we were sinners and did not wait until we started to obey. Both Christianity and Islam teach of having faith in God. But only Christianity teaches faith in God is sufficient to save.

There are only two ways of salvation that is common to all the religions of the world: its either grace or by works it cannot be both. Christianity is a religion of salvation by grace alone: “For by grace through faith you have been saved, not of works, ” (Eph.2:8-10) Why not works? The Bible gives us the answer “lest any man boast.” All other systems rely totally or in part on the works of the believer to merit salvation. Islam, forgiveness is based on the individual's works and then Allah's grace. On the Day of Judgment, if his good works outweigh his bad ones, if Allah so wills it, and has not changed his mind, he may be forgiven of all his sins and then enter paradise.

The bottom line is that a Muslim has no assurance to enter paradise while the God of the Bible gives access to heaven to anyone who comes by Jesus. In Christianity, we depend on the work of Christ on the cross and nothing in ourselves as a basis for forgiveness, because we are told no good thing dwells within us (Rom.7:18) Salvation then becomes the work of God, not of man. For the simple reason that God is to Holy to allow man to enter his presence by the work of sinful hands. So Jesus who had no sin did the work needed for all to be acceptable. But to have this work Jesus did on the cross we must recognize who He actually is and believe, rely on Him fully for it to be applied to us.

Why is it so hard for Muslim to become a Christian or join another religion? Mohammed said, “Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.” (Hadith vol. 9:57) It would seem this is a good deterrent for those who want to consider something else. Is Islam tolerant? For themselves yes. does any other religion threaten death to those who would want to pursue another, no.[/Quote]the bold stops me from wanting to continue with the lies of the christians.When you give hadith, give us the compiler, etc. there are many writer/compilers of hadith, and with this scanty info you provide how do i verify it? Impossible to track it to know whether is true or false.

But hadith must agree with the Quran. So let me see what is stated about leaving islam.

Hadith first from Jihad Watch: Muhammad: "Whoever changes his religion, kill him" www.jihadwatch.org/, /muhammad-whoever-changes-his-religion
'Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him' Hadith - Sahih Al , www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=31347 -

look at the two hadith and see the lies of the Catholics or is it the lies of the Jihad Watch? I notice that frosbel went to catholic website when its convenient instead of his usual daniel pipes Jihad watch because of the word 'islamic' in the hadith.


. . . Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “Say to those who have disbelieved, if they cease (from disbelief), their past will be forgiven” [al-Anfaal 8:38].

The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Do you not know that Islam destroys whatever [disbelief] came before it, and that hijrah destroys whatever [weak iman] came before it, and that Hajj destroys whatever [sins] came before it?” Narrated by Muslim, 121. . . .

www.islamqa.com/en/cat/218/ref/islamqa/83117

[Quote]Allah arbitrarily forgives some and not others.

The Muslim assumes that his chances for heaven are good if he accepts the Muslim God Allah and his apostle Mohammad. [b]That what is required of him is that he does good works and he is then predestined to Allah's favor.[/b] But are the Islamic requirements enough to give assurance to Muslims Mohammed writes that God created this world “ --- that He might try you, which one of you is fairer in works.” (Arberry, A. J. Op cit Volume II, Surah XLIII, page 205.)[/Quote] the christian writer continue to assume that his emphasis on 'work or work alone' will make us accepts it as the truth, since he in assumption has decided that God must be 3 in the Trinity he 'accepts'. But Islamic creed starts with Faith in 1 Single Unique God. That alone is the driving engine of islam; the prayers, etc and then the good work for His Pleasure avoiding evil deeds for His Pleasure with hope in Him. Does killing an innocent man Jesus come close to this in value? Which one is easier to swallow, since Jesus will not guarantee the best of the Christians [the miracle workers] heaven, based on what he says that he will say on that day when they approach him 'I do not know you the Christian miracle workers'?



[Quote]Surah 85:11 “For those who believe and do righteous deeds, will be Gardens; beneath which rivers flow: That is the great Salvation, (the fulfillment of all desires). There is only one way to be assured of salvation in Islam become a martyr, better explained as a suicide bomber. To be promised paradise and have assurance by breaking one of God’s basic laws though shalt not kill is a twisting of all that is good pure and holy. They are killing innocent people not fighting in war for self- preservation. No wonder young men are motivated to do what they normally would not.[/Quote]read the verse bold[ed] again. There is no martyr or suicide bomber there.



[Quote]The Apostle Paul wrote: “By grace are you saved through faith . . . not of works, lest any man should boast” (Ephesians 2:9).[/Quote]Faith in fake concept? Who is greater Jesus who was sent or his Sender? If the Sender says Belief in what I send by messenger with which is I am 1 God and no other and do good work for My sake, is that no the full commandment of the Sender. If someone then says about the messenger after he had left, that the messenger died for your sake and thats all you need to believe. Who is the loser in the presence of The Sender; The man who obeyed the message of the messenger about his Sender or the man who ignored that but then accept from a completely new person saying the messenger is dead for your sake and thats what you must believe?



[Quote]To a Muslim Grace is interpreted as something God gives you for your obedience to his law, not something he gives out of His love for you.[/Quote]Believing in Him in Worship and in deed. How do the Jews "interpreted" it, since we know the christians have a completely interpretation from them? Should there be a need to even interpret something so straight forward as I am God and I command you to worship me in this specific way and do good work as much as you can?



[Quote]The difference is Jesus Christ, only by the gospel one can sure John 5:24, “if anyone hears my voice, and believes on the one who sent me, he'll have eternal life”[/Quote]Alhamdulillah, I didnt hear the voice of Jesus. This verse isfor the people of the time of Jesus. This verse does not include me or include people in the time of Moses.



[Quote] He will not come to judgment. He is transferred from this to life. Assurance. So the people of the book- the New Testament have this assurance, and those who follow the Koran have no assurance whatsoever. On one hand, in the New Testament, it is a guarantee. On the other no guarantee. Surah 3.140[b] “And God loveth not those that do wrong.”[/b] Christianity teaches from the prophet and Lord Jesus that he does
[/Quote]the bold refers to this christian writer with all his lies. I know Jesus loves everyone so much as Jehovah that he created the lake of fire to burn a good number of people. Such a lover. Who needs a hater after this?



[Quote]What if God said to someone that they may or may not enter heaven by obeying him but commands you to obey Him anyway. Why would anyone embrace a religion that gives them little or no assurance of eternal life? This would be like working for someone who promised to pay you well at the end of the week and when it came time he could change his mind on you and did all the work for nothing. Is this hope?[/Quote]I will take my chances to obey that God because my chance is at least 50% of hope that I may enter Paradise [whats with heaven because there are 7 levels of them?] This is better than a fake God who is powerless that he could not help himself as the Jews killed him, but the hid from them after he rose! Did he die and yet he was afraid of dying, again?



[Quote]Can a Muslim be sure that when they die, they will be in Heaven? How sure are they? Unfortunately No Muslim has this kind of assurance, because the Koran doesn't give this assurance to any Muslim. Surah 9:20 “Those who believe, and suffer exile and strive with might and main, in God's cause, with their goods and their persons, have the highest rank in the sight of God: they are the people who will achieve (salvation).”[/Quote] this is just a group among the muslims. There are many groups including those who are not exiled, with lesser rank. But all in Paradise.
Surah 19 verse 97 So, [O Muhammad], We have only made Qur'an easy in the Arabic language that you may give good tidings [success in the day of judgment] thereby to the righteous [believers in Islamic monotheism] and warn thereby a hostile people [the other groups of mankind; christians and jews and other pagans and deniers of the existence of God like mazaje]. You want verse on Paradise? Read them yourself, Frosbel.



[Quote]The gospel of Islam is not the same Gospel explained in the Bible.[/Quote]Considering that 12 wrote and only 4 accepted and stories are different, including the genealogy. how reliable when it has been proven that one of the gospels was from a follower of Paul, and paul was not even there?



[Quote] The Qur'an never states, “God is love.”[/Quote]God is The Loving [Al Wadud]. This The Loving is greater than the Love He gives.He gives love, but as The Loving, He is the source of All Love. Hadith Qursi says when Allah Loves a person, He tells Gabriel Who loves that person and announces to the angels; oh Angel your Lord Loves so and so, the Angel Loves the person right away and that domino effect makes creation on earth loves the person. Now thats The Loving.



[Quote] Islam’s God does not have the concept of love for mankind, so a Muslim cannot understand Jesus’ sacrifice is motivated by love for mankind, showing God’s mercy to all who come to him in faith. The Qur'an says that Allah does not love unbelievers (2:98; 3:32). If Allah does not love unbelievers, then how can Allah be a God who loves at all? Consider here what the Bible says, “God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us” (Rom 5:Cool.[/Quote]I wish this christian writer can look at the life of Biblical Jesus at the end before he wrote this farce. Did Jesus volunteered and didn't blame is God for his demise? Consider that Jesus at the dinner table said he finished the job entrusted on him. that was a while before somebody brought a trial on him. Which Jesus are talking about here; the one who finished his job at the dinner table or the one who blamed God when he was on the cross?

[Quote]In Islam, salvation is only for the best of the good. Mohammad claimed to be a prophet to all nations, but salvation was limited by him to those who followed Islam, regardless of whether or not they followed the previous revelations of Christianity and Judaism. Even Mohammed, Islam's Prophet said, “By Allah, though I am the Apostle of Allah, yet I do not know what Allah will do to me.” (Hadith vol. 5, no. 266). So if Mohammad was not sure and he was the beginner of this religion how can any Muslim be sure?[/Quote]as to the bold, even that you now have corrupted 'version' instead of uncorrupted 'origin', you still want to enter paradise with fake documents? here is the mistake of the christians; they that the Jews who used to just animals must accept that man is now killed for the same purpose. so the Jewish on one hand must kept intact Jesus said, but then says it is good for just one liner 'love your God and then your neighbors', which gave Paul to say the Jewish way is nailed to the cross with the accursed soul of Jesus. this means that Paul actually cancelled out everyone including Jesus and say instead, 'if you believe Jesus died for you, you have salvation'. But Jesus never said that he will die as he was dragged into the cave [fake belly of the earth, otherwise every one who goes caving is in the belly of the earth, and dug grave is what then?] to spend 3 days and 3 nights, which he was short by a night [please count them]. should we believe even Jesus if the above was his greatest sign? how about Paul? what shall we do with the 'the prophet' and he says after Jesus left? Muhammad [as] guaranteed paradise for many. Quran is riddled with verses of paradise for people from Adam onward; all prophets starting from Adam and ending with Muhammad [a] All people who were their sincere followers in their prophetic time, until the next prophet arrives to take the baton. jews and christians of today say they follow their own prophets when one of them came after the last refusal to follow the later is rejection of the former. the last and also the latest is Muhammad [as] and whoever rejects him, rejects Jesus, Moses, etc.



[Quote]There is even less assurance for the women in Islam, most women, the Hadith teaches, will not inherit paradise. [In the Day of Judgment] they whose balances shall be heavy with good works, shall be happy; but they whose balances shall be light, are those who shall lose their souls, and shall remain in hell forever. Sura 23:104-05 in the George Sale translation (1734) as cited by Phillip H. Inchhaas, How to Respond to Islam, 1981), p. 24.[/Quote]the condition of man and woman is same. what are talking about. there are more women than men on earth, yet men control more of all the goods than their gender share/percentage.



[Quote]It is what YOU do gains God’s approval the justification is in your hands not God’s. “On that day [of judgment], their deeds shall be weighed with justice. Those whose scales are heavy [with good works] shall triumph, but those whose scales are light [i.e., containing evil works] shall lose their souls, because they have denied Our revelations [e.g., in the Koran].” (Dawood. Koran, p. 241.)[/Quote]when God gave road map for guidance already, should He way lay you from it? at least your following it makes you a person conscious of Him that the one who disregards Him. do you suppose He will look at you with the rewards?



[Quote]Sura 23:102-104 “Then those whose balance (of good deeds) is heavy, they will attain salvation: But those whose balance is light, will be those who have lost their souls, in Hell will they abide.”[/Quote]what wrong with that? consider this, if your Jehovah punishes me because my balance is light because what will make it heavy is the killing of Jesus which i rejected, and he rewards you, because you rejoice in the killing so much so this alone made your scale heavy, whats wrong in that? i am not complaining about your salvation, so why are you complaining about my easy as 123 way to paradise?

[Quote]So where does a Muslim find an assurance of forgiveness? Islam has no mediator so how can Allah be the God of the Old Testament? There was always a type of mediator for our sin; Islam teaches one cannot intercede for another, there is no need to. you can approach God directly.[/Quote]in the OT is animal as means of sacrificial salvation. the NT says God has changed it to killing of one innocent man. Allah made it easy for muslim that it becomes bloodless to the point of saying from your heart tat you are sorry is enough. this is purity. it is not messy and it is salvation made easiest.



[Quote]All of the works you could ever do - all of the prayers you could ever pray, all the holiness you may obtain cannot take the place of God forgiving you for your sins toward Him. Only God can do that. God is called -gracious, compassionate, and merciful, but He must forgive the sins against Him His way, and not our way. God has provided a way, and every man and women must choose whether to accept God’s way or try things on their-own way.[/Quote]everyman, including Adam has this way; please forgive me Lord.



[Quote]There are those who call themselves messianic Muslims but do not believe Jesus was God who came from heaven and died for our sins. Believing Isa as the messiah or savior cannot save you. One must believe the gospel to be saved: “How that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures” (I Cor.15:1-4); “That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life” (Jn. 3:15) the Quran acknowledges the Gospel of Christ. But The Bibles Gospel is not found in the Quran, so they cannot know what the gospel is unless they trust in the Bibles revelation.[/Quote]messiac muslims? is the bold not a laugh since John 3 verse 15 didn't say anything about death? more importantly didn't Jesus say that he was sent only to the children of Israel? what the name of your tribe of the children of Israel?



[Quote]The obedient to Allah have no assurance to be preserved, they only have uncertainty: “Forgiveness is only incumbent on Allah toward those who do evil in ignorance (and] then hug quickly [in repentance] to Allah , Lo! Allah pardoneth , all save [except] that to him he will not , (4:17,106,110,116). Neither “ignorance” nor “how quickly” are defined and [b][b]repentance does not guarantee forgiveness[/b][/b] without believing in the right gospel, for Paul says there is another gospel that can be given by an angel that will differ from the one he and the apostles gave, and that gospel cannot save you.[/Quote]where is the Gospel of Jesus if Paul who nevr was a disciple gave his own gospel, the reason that 12 people were disciples, only 4 gospel were from the so called disciples? where are the remaining 8 and which one of the 4 in the Bible is from Paul since they are all not exactly alike? sell us your fake 'bill of laden' from Paul as he claims it to come from Jesus who was not there to read the contract.

[Quote]John the Baptist introduced Jesus by proclaiming “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin' of the world!” (John1:29). Heb 10:4 says “it-is impossible for the blood of bulls, and goats to take away sins.” As Heb 10 points out, animal sacrifices were a shadow of God’s real sacrifice to come. Repeated animal sacrifices merely covered over the sins and brought forgiveness temporarily and needed to be repeated until the once and for all sacrifice God chose. As Isaiah, Jesus, and Jesus’ apostles taught, the sacrifice was Jesus himself fulfilling the practices given to man from Adam onward.

So why do Muslims not listen to the prophets?[/Quote]We did listen to Jesus unless you said he lied that "The Prophet" that will come after John as Elijah and Jesus as the Messiah already came and he is not Muhammad [as]? If this is your conclusion then give us his name and we will follow him, because according to Jesus "The Prophet" will be the one that has the right to be followed. How did the another comforter accomplished his role? Read tyour Bible before you answer.

[Quote]To a Muslim, God is not affected by mans sin but by his obedience. But a wrong concept of man's sinfulness will affect your concept of God and man's relationship to him.[/Quote]Not after He gave you an unchanging Road Map; I am One Worship Me and Obey My Commands. No God but Me Alone. No imagery and no one can save you except Me. I am Unseen. I am full of mercy and remember that I forgave your Father and Mother Adam and Eve without any blood but just their sincere repentance with all their heart.



[Quote]Because of the rejection of a sin nature the crucifixion and the resurrection become meaningless to a Muslim. This diminishes our guilt, shame and fallen nature before a holy God that all the prophets spoke of. Consider Isaiah in Isa.6 when he saw the Lord in heaven, he became conscious of his filthiness calling himself a man of unclean lips.[/Quote]The first bold is the worst you ever produced because dead man don't hid from his killers if he ever rose up because you only die once. Think about that. The second shows that Isiah is still on earth but talking about himself already in heaven. Lets assume that when he got to heaven he realized that he was filthy, what will happen to isiah? God will condemn him or asked him to come back to earth so that the blood of Jesus can now cleanse him? Funny haha stuff from you frosbel.



[Quote]If Muslims believe in the prophets, if they believe Moses was a prophet than should they not accept the commands that were directly given to Moses by God. Since Muslims do not believe in the sacrifice for sins by Jesus, why do they not sacrifice for their sins like all the prophets did? Adam, Cain and Abel, Job, Abraham, David did.[/Quote]What did Cain sacrifice for his own sin, his brother he killed to be the killer sinner, in the first place? Or what was his sin if not the killing of his brother? Or Abel was also the savior by spilling his blood for all before Jesus did the same for future generations?



[Quote]So why doesn’t a Muslim listen to the prophets? For over1400 years God instructed and trained 'the Jews to and the importance of sacrifice for forgiveness. Even before Moses, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob all made sacrifices to God to have their sins cleansed. All the prophets of God sacrificed for their sins, ALL- no exceptions. Go search it out and you will see what I’m saying is the truth.

Heb 9:22 says, “In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no, forgiveness.”
[/Quote]The world is larger than the jews, mehn. None of their men was sent to me in Yoruba land. Muhammad is and I read it clearly in the Quran that he is the mercy to all the worlds.

[Quote]The Koranic concept is that God can simply forgive someone and disregard his own laws (Mosaic law). They neglect necessity of the divine in order that God gave to his creatures to obtain forgiveness that was sustained by the prophets. It was by sacrifice. All the blood sacrifices point to an ultimate sacrifice, Jesus Christ. There were sin offerings constantly mentioned in the Old Testament, please read it to see if what I’m saying to you is true.

It is here where the root of the matter lays, the righteousness of God vs. the righteousness of man.

This is what I appeal to every Muslim to consider, the issue of sin. For the Bible says this is the very reason we are sick and die, because we are by nature sinners. These are the consequences of sin, we all die no matter how good we are. “The heart (man's spirit) is deceitfully wicked out of which flow all kinds of evils.” The heart man is not wonderfully good and out of it flows the best character. It is because of sin we no longer have the relationship with God that Adam first had in the garden.

There is a misunderstanding of the gravity of sin by Muslims. If one does not understand their spiritual condition in comparison to God they can never see God’s glorious gospel.

Solomon who was once the wisest man on earth said “For there is not a just man on earth who does good and does not sin” (Eccl. 7:20). The apostle Paul said a similar thing in Romans 3:23-28 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.”

Notice how the apostle Paul explains it: all have sinned, we are save by grace- in Christ- by his blood- it showed us perfect righteousness, we can’t boast because it is given completely separate from anything we can work for. It’s a free gift.[/Quote]Before the Mosaic law, God must have forgiven many; at least Abraham.

After Mosaic law, Jesus was born as a baby. If every child was born a sinner, there goes up in smoke your savior with the rest of mankind.

Yet God hated sacrifices. I wonder why He accepted the sacrifice of the person who didnt want to get sacrificed? This is weird.

[Quote]“But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death” (James 1:14-15)

Muslims teach man is born in a state of original goodness, there is no original sin “the Muslims does not believe in the necessity of blood to be shed for remission of their sins.” (Jamal Badawi on the John Ankerberg show) The Bible teaches and rightly proven by the reality of our world and how sin is defined[b] “For as by one man's disobedience we were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous.” (Rom 5:19) Even Prophet David said he was formed with sin as his nature “Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me” (Ps. 51:5)[/b].[/Quote]One of the two bold[s] is lying. the first says it is the desire of man that makes that man a sinner. A baby does not have any desire because as he was just born, his has none. A killer in a sinner by killing brought about by his acting on his desire to kill.

the second bold says that sin is born with man. Without analyzing it further, which part of the bible is the lair of the two parts bold[ed]? It will be injustice if every child is a sinner from mother's womb. Incidentally Jesus is from a mother's womb.

[Quote]Figru is the application of their law, what they are to do is what counts much more than what you believe. Sin is what you do and not what you are. Yet the Bible teaches sin is from the inside and shows itself on the outside Who can say, “I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin”? (Proverbs 20:9)[/Quote]is figru not applicable to the Jews and christians because we don't have FIGRU in Islam, and you cant impose your ideas on us.

@Frosbel: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Good evening from me.

[Quote]Surah 28:67 “But any that (in this life) had repented, believed, and worked righteousness, will have hopes to be among those who achieve salvation.”

The Quran is full of necessary rules for one to do God’s Will (Do this is mentioned 330 times). There are 130 commands (faraj) that are to be done each day otherwise you sin. For a Muslim, the only thing you can know is the Will of Allah. You are unable to know God personally, because He is unknowable, so it is the commands one must obey to prove their allegiance to Allah. The Qur'an portrays God as one who is “far away” not personally involved in each person’s life. Islam is about man trying to please God by obeying his commands. The Bible teaches us something very different, God took the initiative and came down to seek after us. Though admitted by some Muslims as being possible, it is denied as a probable.

The Koran talks about forgiveness but contrary to what Christ said, it comes through a greater fervency by their religious practice, then God gives grace by His mercy.

Islam teaches salvation by works: “They whose balances shall be heavy shall be blest. But they whose balances shall be light, they shall lose their soul, abiding in hell forever” (Sura 13:102-140). Thus if the scale tips in favor of good works, the Muslim will reach paradise, but if this be not the case then he will be banished to hell. Those who believe, and suffer exile and strive (jahadu) with might and main in Allah’s cause, with their goods and their persons, have the highest rank in the sight of Allah. They are the people who will achieve salvation” (Surah 9:20).

“I want to earn my points with Allah for the hereafter.” Speaking of the prophet Mohammed “He is the greatest example for mankind to follow” (Nzar Hassan, Ch. 52 Olelo Jan.9, 2000). Jesus is sinless and did everything perfect yet He is not the greatest example for mankind to a Muslim; Mohammed is.

Consider Nzar’s statement. If a drowning man can save himself there is no need for him to cry out to God to save him.

There is no concept of any original sin in Muslim teaching, they teach Adam and Eve sinned and they repented asking for forgiveness, therefore there is nothing passed on. “The Muslims does not believe in the necessity of bloodshed for remission of their sins.” Badawi.[/Quote]The verse first listed above, again before you ignorantly post it. It says belief and good work [both of righteousness]. Not just work alone, otherwise Bill Gsates will be muslim. When you believe the true belief, in Islamic monotheism, then do good work for the sake of that One God, you are better by your work than the person who believe the righteous belief but does no righteous work, even though he can do them.

@Frosbel can you proof to me that one of them is wrong, considering that Satan was cony enough to carry Jesus to the top of the mountain and then asked him to jump to his death so that he want to see if 'his Father' can save him. Did Jesus jump to disprove satan? Satan didnt stop there with Jesus, since he had drove him into the wilderness for 40 day [?] before.

Satan then took Jesus on a mountain again and showed him the whole world [how did satan do that, then you will know if satan was what they say Muhammad said about him in the hadith you listed above. Until you can disprove that satan didn't show Jesus the whole world from a mountain on earth, you cant even begin to analyze any hadith about satan, a being that you can see, and smart enough to challenge your God [read the bible, its your book]] and demand Jesus to worship him and the whole world he will give to Jesus. Did Jesus say to satan, i am your God, you should worship me or i destroy you now?

further satan then took some bread and said he will give Jesus to eat so that he is not hungry any longer since he had for hunger curse the fig tree before, if Jesus worshiped him. Did Jesus say to him, I am your God you should worship me right now, otherwise i will myself still in heave destroy you right here, even if myself on earth cant do do because i am powerless as i am standing here with you?

satan then made sure he let Jesus know it because satan went in inside Peter the rock of Jesus until Jesus called Peter satan himself.


Now with all of the above, do you know how satan operate, if Jesus was cajoled by him? so how do you dispute with Muhammad [as], the only one who came after Jesus so that the role of another comforter is fulfilled if Jesus was accurate, since it is :the prophet" who will do all of them, not Elijah because John was it, according to Jesus and according to John, he was not Elijah, and Jesus was the messiah of the children of israel?

^^^^^^^^^^ Frosbel abandoned his Nigerian father who sent to UK. He now become somebody else's by his new name "HISchild", unless the nigerian who is the husband of your nigerian mother is the HIS in your HISchild? You people are first class mindbenders/nutcase, if you care to know.

@Frosbel AKA HISchild; « #1 on: Today at 11:04:42 PM »
[Quote]"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:" - Romans 3:10[/Quote]This rendered Jesus unrighteous, so does John, his father Zacharias, Job, etc. Then the Bible is lying because it says that Job was sinless to mean righteous.



[Quote] “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of GOD;” -Rom 3:23[/Quote]What was the sin of John, or Zacharias, or mary mother of Jesus, or the grandmother of Jesus, or Job? Or Melchizedek? Maybe the Roman verse writer here is the big time sinner, instead of poor virgin Mary?



[Quote]"For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of GOD [is] eternal life through JESUS CHRIST our Lord.” - Rom 6:23 [/Quote]Jesus died and that was the wages of his sin? Or it is the wages of your sin that cause him to die, because inchaAllah you and me [a person who says your verse in lying] will die. And Jesus will come back to die for real. What wages will be his second death?



[Quote] “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” - Acts 4:[/Quote]Lie. But lets leave that alone, because the salvation that is important is the Name of the One Who used to send those under the heavens. The One above the heaven, that is the Name that is the real Salvation. He is Allah and without Him there is no God. I remember people were saved under Noah, if you dont believe that Abel was saved while Cain wasnt under Adam.



[Quote]“So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of GOD.” - Rom 10:17[/Quote]And the faith about the "another comforter [which is the non speaking Holy Ghost]" is not the real faith.


Incidentally, Frosbel did not realize no one of the verses came from Jesus but all from Paul.

@Nuclearboy: [Quote]Quran 46:9 - "Say: I am no bringer of new fangled doctrine amongst the Apostles nor do I know what will be done with me or with you"

And in hadith - by Allah (I swear) though I am the apostle of allah, yet I do not know what Allah will do to me"[/Quote]what the difference between the about regardless how you write Allah and these from Jesus?: Grow a spike if spine is impossible for you.

1]. I of my own power can do nothing.

2]. I am sent by God my Master.

3]. I do not know even the hour [and what will after it], but God Who I am His Messenger is the Knower.

4]. You and I pray the Lord's prayer to God, seeking forgiveness from Him and no one else.

^^^^^^^: Even morsel type animals [snail outside the shell, the boneless sea creatures if we accept these] have sturdier spine than you. even sludge has more spine, yet it is spineless.

@Frosbel and Mazage; The obvious local and then became worldwide today event that took place in Makka, is the beginning of prophetic office of Muhammad [as]. Aisha's fathe Abu Bakr [ra] entered Islam that very year, early. Was Aisha born before her father entered Islam, with the children and wife that entered with him and he divorcing the wife and child who didn't?

@Mazaje; Go on the other thread to discuss the "koran [instead of Quran] and hadith part[s]".

Your case today as you are is a pathetic case.


To know how old a Nigerian is, we can ask if he was born independence. If he says no, we know he is less than 52 years old.

We then ask him if he was born before the first military coup. If he says no, we know is not older that 45 years old.

We then ask him if he was born before the end of the civil war. If he says no, we know that he was not until Sometimes after January 13, 1970.

We then ask him if he was born before the coup that ousted "Jack" Gowon, the norther Christian. If he says no. We know that he is 1975 man or later.

we then ask him if he was born before the coup that ousted "Shagari. If he says no, we then say he is from 1984 at the earliest

We then ask him if he was born before Mandela was release from the Robin Island jail. if he says no, we do know that he is younger than 22 years old.

Apply the same landmark event, local or worldwide to the birth of Aisha [ra] and see what you get. The obvious local and then became worldwide today is the beginning of prophetic office of Muhammad [as] and Aisha's fathe Abu Bakr [ra] entering Islam. was Aisha born before her father entered Islam, with the children and wife that entered with him and he divorcing the wife and child who didn't?

The Messenger [as] is more important than Aisha, and there is no where that his actual age is recorded in Quran or Hadith except that he was born on monday [and he fasted on monday], in a year marked by the invasion of Makka with Elephant mounted soldiers led by evil man Abraha in an attempt to destroy the Kaaba.

@Frosbel; « #105 on: Today at 02:39:17 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: nuclearboy on Today at 02:13:41 PM
^^ arguing with these people can make someeone blow a gasket from laughter. So Jesus rebuking pharisees, sinners and correcting His Disciples was "talking" to the Christian person?

Jesus praying means He faced east or beat His head on the floor 5 times etc?

I resign

@Frosbel:

Which one is worse in your estimation? These "donkeys" or our "Christian" goats? Cheesy


Hmm, to be honest even though I did not want to use the word goats, the bible does mention goats[b], those stubborn Christians who refuse to obey Christ , instead they worship money and men.[/b]

But lets not call Muslims donkeys, I should say 'blind' will be a better word or even 'misled'.

They are in our prayers .[/Quote]aren't you ashamed that you are worshiping human being like you, the man called Jesus, son of man from the womb of a young woman, Mary? what kind of prayer can a man make for a man to a man?

@Nuclearboy: « #95 on: Today at 01:44:04 PM »
[Quote[I "get" small time for you today sef! Where is the boastful windbag that said I should "demand" what I want from the fanatical lying follower of a lie?

What does Surah 19:71 & 72 say -"There is NONE of you that shall NOT go there (hell) - this is the judgement your lord has purposed! Then we shall saver those who fear allah and we shall leave the evil doers in the fire on their knees"[quote][/Quote]I need for you to tell us that 'you' does not include Christian because the whole story is coming just right about now:

Maryam
19;63 That is Paradise, which We give as inheritance to those of Our servants who were fearing of Allah .

19:64 [Gabriel said], "And we [angels] descend not except by the order of your Lord. To Him belongs that before us and that behind us and what is in between. And never is your Lord forgetful -
19:65 Lord of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them - so worship Him and have patience for His worship. Do you know of any similarity to Him?"

19:66 And the disbeliever says, "When I have died, am I going to be brought forth alive?"
19:67 [b]Does man not remember that We created him before, while he was nothing?[/b]
19:68 So by your Lord, We will surely gather them and the devils; then We will bring them to be present around Hell upon their knees
19:69 Then We will surely extract from every sect those of them who were worst against the Most Merciful in insolence.
19:70 Then, surely it is We who are most knowing of those most worthy of burning therein.
19:71 And there is none of you except he will come to it. This is upon your Lord an inevitability decreed.
19:72 Then We will save those who feared Allah and leave the wrongdoers within it, on their knees.
19:73 And when Our verses are recited to them as clear evidences, those who disbelieve say to those who believe, "Which of [our] two parties is best in position and best in association?"



[Quote]So, tell me NOW what is "purposed" for you, windbag?[/Quote]hopefully with you can read verses 63 which speaks about believers in Allah and Paradise for them, then 66 to 68 talking all men; disbelievers in verse 66 and all men in 67 and man and jinn in 68, which includes muslims and non muslims [please argue yourself out of it. i want to read your effort. it will be classical for www nairaland style. you will reinforce the opinion of the world. you will be a true son of the soil]. verse 69 speaks about those who are against Allah, unfortunately, today you are in that group [may Allah guide you heart away from such a group Amin]. now read verse 71 in any way that please you, including blocking your mind from reality of it.



[Quote]But wait - let me even go further. What does verses 68 & 69 say? "We (allah) shall gather them together and also the devils; then we shall bring them round hell on their knees. Then indeed we shall drag out from every sect all those who were worst in obstinate rebellion"[/Quote]the them includes every human being, male or female. that means, Jesus [as], his mother, his grandmother, etc.



[Quote]From the above, where is allah himself if not insid the fire with you windbags dragging you after himself inside hellfire?
You don see where Bible talk of God Almighty or Jesus inside fire before?[/Quote] it again with your ostrich head syndrome. but what we find in the bible is biblical God walking in the garden of eden looking for hidden Adam and Eve. What we also read is a regretting God. what we also see is God is afraid of humans building mere towers; then pyramid, and many towers have been build since the God that feared instead of expected God that must be feared.



[Quote]Don't vex me today please - just generally listen to Frosbel because he is only showing you truth. Meanwhile, we know your problem is fear - Surah 5:101 " O ye who believe (Muslims). Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble"! Wetin them dey fear to insist that you should not seek the truth? Ehn? Answer me, windbag![/Quote]by this we are given ease in our religious and worldly affairs.



[Quote]Compare to Jesus "you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free"[/Quote]give me the truth between the Yahweh is 1 by the Jews or Yahweh changed to Jehovah and he became 3 by christian's trinity? you want more since God is not the Author of confusion?. shall we talk about i have finished all that you asked me do at the dinner table versus it is finished on the cross after the dinner table finish? which finish is finish and which one not the true finish? how about i am a lamb turning the other cheek versus i bring sword and not peace? how about I will be back before all of you 12 die versus i am not returning even after 2,000 years? how about dont call a fool and hell fire awaits who ever say that versus you are a fool, nuclearboy? how about another comforter will be sent by God, who will only say what he heard from God is now God Himself as the Holy Ghost [i remember alethea saying ghost is spirit. but aren't prophets spirits coming forth from God as messenger to man? are angels not spirits, too, and so is the devil, spirit?] let me stop, but i have tons of the truth that will set you free if you can get it.



[Quote]MY DESIRE - since the above is proof you cannot avoid hell if you follow Islam, is that, just please shut up and stop posting the long pointless senseless annoying monologues you post. Any post that is more than 5 lines is hereby banned from YOU!
Happy now? And I never start - cos I educated myself unlike "DONKEYS"![/Quote]if what you wrote is education, the one who paid for it must have thrown the school fee into atlantic ocean. he needs to put a cone on your head and show like that to your teacher who stole from him and demand his wealth back, even if he has to exchanged you for the 2 bits paid. if it was a mint, there would have been a world of difference.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
i have not idea that you are this much a coward.

here is you chance to win a soul for Jesus, the king of kings of this world, you are dragging your feet as if you a pregnant woman going to the labor room.

how is hadith accepted to be correct? first it must never disagree with the Quran, because Muhammad [as] whose words are hadith cant disagree with the Quran.

so if you are to present a hadith that goes against wat the Quran says on a subject matter we know that it is a fabrication.

when hadith agrees with the Quran, we then look at other matters that hadith is weighed on; chain of narration, how many times is reported, people in the chain, their memory, their honesty, their possibility to be present at the place and time of the hadith. for example, a person from madina can not say that he was present when the messenger [as] informed people in makka that he journeyed to jerusalem and further to heavens and return that same day. if such an ansar were to say i was in makka, one must know that the chain is weak, even though the event happened that chain must be disregarded.

the Quran is enough to flog you with, because the event that you are speaking about is a future event, and Allah is the All Knowing to all future, and the Quran is His Book, where Muhammad [as] is primarily informed to inform his companions [ra] and in turn as he explained compose a hadith which they pass on from generation to generation, even to this generation.

we know that not all Bukhari is authentic and he didnt collect all hadith, hence it will be at best a secondary source as explanation of the First and Primary source, the Quran. should the explanation be different? no. when there is difference you hold on to the absolute source and discard the explanation that is against the absolute source.


i know this is not going to be something you will do since you take the opinion of Paul over the possible statement of Jesus.

before i post the verses of Surah Maryam to shame your weak mind, I am posting from Surah Anbiya first where Allah speaks about you in your current state, and I pray that He will guide you and your entire family away from this state. Amin.


Surah Ambiyya: 21;5 But they say, "[The revelation is but] a mixture of false dreams; rather, he has invented it; rather, he is a poet. So let him bring us a sign just as the previous [messengers] were sent [with miracles]."
21:6 Not a [single] city which We destroyed believed before them, so will they believe?
21:7 And We sent not before you, [O Muhammad], except men to whom We revealed [the message], so ask the people of the message if you do not know.
21:8 And We did not make the prophets forms not eating food, nor were they immortal [on earth].
21:9 Then We fulfilled for them the promise, and We saved them and whom We willed and destroyed the transgressors.
21:10 We have certainly sent down to you a Book in which is your mention. Then will you not reason?
21:11 And how many a city which was unjust have We shattered and produced after it another people.
21:12 And when its inhabitants perceived Our punishment, at once they fled from it.
21:13 [Some angels said], "Do not flee but return to where you were given luxury and to your homes - perhaps you will be questioned."
21:14 They said, "O woe to us! Indeed, we were wrongdoers."
21:15 And that declaration of theirs did not cease until We made them [as] a harvest [mowed down], extinguished [like a fire].
21:16 And We did not create the heaven and earth and that between them in play.
21:17 Had We intended to take a diversion, We could have taken it from [what is] with Us - if [indeed] We were to do so.
21:18 Rather, We dash the truth upon falsehood, and it destroys it, and thereupon it departs. And for you is destruction from that which you describe.
21:19 To Him belongs whoever is in the heavens and the earth. And those near Him are not prevented by arrogance from His worship, nor do they tire.
21:20 They exalt [Him] night and day [and] do not slacken.
21:21 Or have men taken for themselves gods from the earth who resurrect [the dead]?
21:22 Had there been within the heavens and earth gods besides Allah , they both would have been ruined. So exalted is Allah , Lord of the Throne, above what they describe.
21:23 He is not questioned about what He does, but they will be questioned.
21:24 Or have they taken gods besides Him? Say, [O Muhammad], "Produce your proof. This [Qur'an] is the message for those with me and the message of those before me." But most of them do not know the truth, so they are turning away.
21:25 And We sent not before you any messenger except that We revealed to him that, "There is no deity except Me, so worship Me."
21:26 And they say, "The Most Merciful has taken a son." Exalted is He! Rather, they are [but] honored servants
21:27 They cannot precede Him in word, and they act by His command.
21:28 He knows what is [presently] before them and what will be after them, and they cannot intercede except on behalf of one whom He approves. And they, from fear of Him, are apprehensive.
21:29 And whoever of them should say, "Indeed, I am a god besides Him"- that one We would recompense with Hell. Thus do We recompense the wrongdoers. . . .


21;38 .And they say, "When is this promise, if you should be truthful?"
21:39 If those who disbelieved but knew the time when they will not avert the Fire from their faces or from their backs and they will not be aided,
21:40 Rather, it will come to them unexpectedly and bewilder them, and they will not be able to repel it, nor will they be reprieved.
21:41 And already were messengers ridiculed before you, but those who mocked them were enveloped by what they used to ridicule.
21:42 Say, "Who can protect you at night or by day from the Most Merciful?" But they are, from the remembrance of their Lord, turning away.
21:43 Or do they have gods to defend them other than Us? They are unable [even] to help themselves, nor can they be protected from Us.
21:44 But, [on the contrary], We have provided good things for these [disbelievers] and their fathers until life was prolonged for them. Then do they not see that We set upon the land, reducing it from its borders? So it is they who will overcome?
21:45 Say, "I only warn you by revelation." But the deaf do not hear the call when they are warned.
21:46 And if [as much as] a whiff of the punishment of your Lord should touch them, they would surely say, "O woe to us! Indeed, we have been wrongdoers.". . .


21;91 And [mention] the one who guarded her chastity, so We blew into her [garment] through Our angel [Gabriel], and We made her and her son a sign for the worlds.
21;92 this, your religion, is one religion, and I am your Lord, so worship Me.
21:93 And [yet] they divided their affair among themselves, [but] all to Us will return. . . .
21;98 Indeed, you [disbelievers] and what you worship other than Allah are the firewood of Hell. You will be coming to [enter] it.
21:99 Had these [false deities] been [actual] gods, they would not have come to it, but all are eternal therein.
21:100 For them therein is heavy sighing, and they therein will not hear. . . .


21;104 The Day when We will fold the heaven like the folding of a [written] sheet for the records. As We began the first creation, We will repeat it. [That is] a promise binding upon Us. Indeed, We will do it.
21:105 And We have already written in the book [of Psalms] after the [previous] mention that the land [of Paradise] is inherited by My righteous servants.
21:106 Indeed, in this [Qur'an] is notification for a worshipping people.
21:107 And We have not sent you, [O Muhammad], except as a mercy to the worlds.
21:108 Say, "It is only revealed to me that your god is but one God; so will you be Muslims [in submission to Him]?"
21:109 But if they turn away, then say, "I have announced to [all of] you equally. And I know not whether near or far is that which you are promised.
21:110 Indeed, He knows what is declared of speech, and He knows what you conceal.


When you are ready to go to Surah Maryam, I shall start from verse 63 all the way to 72 so that you see that Allah promise all mankind will come near to hellfire, but only all disbelievers and then the muslim hypocrites and some with need for bury but not muslims will enter it.

the continental usa 4 time zones and the closest to nigeria is 5 hours behind nigeria in summer time, which is now, but 6 hours in fall winter time coming up very soon. in essence, if you left nigeria at 6 am heading for new york city, flying for say 10 hours, it will only be 1. pm when you land. i am assuming we are using this ramadhan for this explanation.

sunset later in summer time, so today it will set at about 7.56 pm. so actually you will have almost 7 more hours of fast to go. and you are fortunate that you are not going to la. add another 3 more hours, with addition 5 hours flight.


but you journey is eastward, like going to arabia, new zealand, australia, and the orient, since they are ahead of you in time zone, meaning their sunset arrive before that of nigeria, your whole fast for the day may actually shrink to a few hours.


this above is better illustrated by a december fast, but you left new york for lagos. your fast will begin around 6 am in new york that day. if you took off just at that time, it will be 12. noon in nigeria already. in say 7 hours later you may have to break your fast because you will be in territories where sun is beginning to set. since you will be heading southward in the flight route, by the time you hit anywhere west africa, the sun will be setting if you take a look.

if we use this ramadhan heading out nigeria from new york, at g.am when the fast is just 1.15 hours old, nigeria is already 11 am. by the time you are in flight for 8 hours and not so much, you have to break your fast because it is already 7 pm in lagos, but only 2 pm in new york city that will not break until 7.57 pm.

@ Olawalebab; Masjid Haraam in Makka Mukarana


The first city that Muhammad [as] and companion build masjid or masajid [because they were to mosques] was Madina

when they exist, its hush hush. no media takes up the story[es].

church mouse.

suddenly, alethea is quiet as a church during full service. i am ready for you and i dont want you to hide now.

@Nuclearboy; « #88 on: Today at 12:04:09 AM »
[Quote]recently, I told you were no more than a flatulent windbag and everything you say proves it- I should accept a challenge?? Why can't you people think of other things except fighting, trouble, challenges?[/Quote]In the last election cycle; nigeria elected one challenger over many that they rejected. president GEJ was a candidate that had challengers against him for the presidential office. maybe there were fights, troubles, typifying nigerian infancy to electoral process. in 2007 however america elected president O. H. Barackallah over challenger oldman McCain. did you get it or its too complex for you? that kinda challenge; prove that you will not enter Hell Fire according to the Quran, while at the same time you prove that all muslims will enter Hellfire, regardless of their obedience and consciousness of God. this should do it.
if you can't then then the world knows that you cant even stand behind your own religion. you must be a fake christian.


[Quote]I should name my desire if you lose?? Lose what again after you have been promised hellfire? Even funnier - how can someone win against someone who says Adam and Eve are in the garden of Eden = there will be dancing and gluttony in paradise. Did you go to school at all? When did Eden become paradise? Nobody has right to be as donkey-headed as you are - your people should put you in a cage. Haba![/Quote]you have garden of eden, we dont in the Quran. paradise is different of garden of eden. is your hedonism not coined from eden? just asking. i know that you will dance around forever avoiding to face fact. your garden of eden you can pinpoint it, so is the apple tree and or the grape or fig tree where the leaves were plucked. i guess the son of the soil already chopped them up for firewood. this is not the case with paradise which is not on earth. i know you have no paradise but heaven. but there are 7 heavens, which is one is yours? abeg boy, grow some spine. the igbos say yorubas dont have the gut to defend their honor, if i were not a yoruba man, i will easily concur by your being a boy and you can defend your religion against this uneducated over the hill one over man. shame on you mr. fung [sorry mr. nuclearboy]. you better ask a girl to take up your slack. you are slacking very badly.