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@Salisuammy; « #8 on: Today at 03:29:37 PM »
[Quote]My dear frosbel forget this hypocrites, let me tell u the truth becuase i am a former Muslim. Let them come out and swear that they have never known any idols except their 'ellah' as sweetnecta always calls him or her whatever it is.[/Quote]if your being a former muslim is the criteria them all the people who entered Islam in the west and elsewhere are evidence for Islam. Ellah is what Jesus called his Lord God Who he says is One. My Lord God Who is One is Allah. Jesus and me have diffferent accent, the reason for the writing. I do not know any idol and i swear by Allah that i have not worshiped any in my entire life. and i am sure of what have said here.



[Quote]If Christianity was brought by the missionaries, so was islam also forced down their throats only islam was brought by the devil to increase the population of hell.[/Quote]you must have heard muslim say audhu bIllah minal shaytarni rajim, bismIllah Rahmanir Rahim? whats the meaning of it because satan/devil is cursed in first part. Satan is cursed many times daily and in Quran. do you curse the one you love? do you even curse satan, daily?



[Quote] and for them to say islam is the truth i want to ask them this: how can it be true when even all of u can not swear not to serve any god secretly aside your ellah and claim u are protecting yourselves. vedaxcool just wakeup because i cant be jealous of any product of lucifer.[/Quote]i did swear by Allah above already and the proof of your lie is the kalima 'laa ilaha Ilallah'. Ellah that you write is the God of the one you said died on the tree for you. go back and stdy, please, or return to Islam with sincere repentance. Allah is full of Mercy, Forgiving.



@mazaje (m)« #9 on: Today at 04:03:48 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: vedaxcool on Today at 01:40:22 PM

But you have strong jealousy to Islam

Which is
is a complete way of life

a hope for hopeless

a freedom from Idolatry

A refutation to dishonesty

The Truth that I know

a rebuke to wickedness

a triumph over darkness

Allah's religion for mankind.

This one just keeps throwing funny words around. . . . .

Nobody has ever converted to Islam here and nobody will ever convert to Islam here. . . .[/Quote]Ifalways converted. so is her husband.



[Quote]In reality most of the people that convert to Islam in the west mostly leave the religion after some time(as many as 75% according to a research conducted my a Muslim scholar called Prof. Llyas Ba Yunus) cos they are unable to continue living their lives according to the writings and culture of the 7th century Arab tribes men. . .[/Quote]i do live in the west. probably longer than you. i know grand parents, parents and children all born into Islam. in fact a nigerian lawyer married a wife whose fater and mother are reverts. their own parent that were alive after their reversion became muslims later. the nigerian lawyer is a father by this wife. the west is littered with muslim and the trend is going stronger. know many nigerians of igbo blood in the 'west' that are muslims; washing dc, philadephia, new york city. what more is a proof against your lie?



@mabell « #11 on: Today at 09:22:12 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: LagosShia on Today at 01:13:11 PM
if any sincere person goes through most of the threads on the religion section,he will see that the muslims have mostly resorted to refuting allegations and lies propagated by you and your likes.the muslims have really not done much in preaching.but as the saying goes "the truth sets you free",so when the muslims expose the lies of the christians,people can see the truth for what it is and follow Islam.

The challenge is this: christians spend time exposing(if i may borrow the word) themselves and their mistakes while the muslims spend time covering those that erred. MY OPINION!
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God will build His church and the gates of hell will not prevail against[/Quote]Jewish temple is a thing God hate, today?



@LoveKing (m)« #12 on: Today at 09:29:54 PM »
[Quote]the thread title got me Grin Grin Grin Grin[/Quote]he wants to rule the world. you will be competing with Jesus.



[Quote]but wait why would people convert to islam (bondage)? there is really no reason at all.[/Quote]bondage because nudity is a thing disallowed. or list the bondage if you know any.

@Islamrules; « #64 on: Today at 03:17:46 PM »
[Quote]Quote
If at childhooh your Mallam lie to you and you grow up to find out the truth.Your mallam may have lied just to improve your Iman.
Your Mallam may have committed a sin if the lie was to tarnish other religion, eg, cooking a lie about christianity to discourage you

No matter how i agree however to whatsoever is disgusting about lying in every forms of definitions of individuals or circumstances there's nothing on this earth is as horrible as BAD INTENTION

I have read bible a lot
and this is my finding ;
Bible lost its true wordings to refurbishing and manipulatory inclusions and ommission which ordinarrily shouldn't be in any contrariness to the HOLY QUR'AN, what is said by God will forver be superior to what is written by human's (poets)

I have asked 45 questions about Bible and nobody has been able to answer one, instead they become dangerously nervous and dumb.


Live and lets live.period,

It shows that the two religions are not perfect. It is not where some people will be claiming their religion is better than the other. There own is from true god others are not from true god.

God has spoken to Jews before mohammed came up with another one.[/Quote]Did God tell you He will never speak to no one except he is a Jew? God spoke Adam [as] and even his wife Hawa, then spoke a lot of humans who are not Jews; Enoch, Noah, Ibrahim, Ismail [as], his Mother Hajar [the bible said through angel, the same through angels in the bible God spoke to Jacob, etc, including Mary mother of Jesus]. None of these men listed was a Jew. there were Jews God ignored [After Joseph and until Mose if you call either of them a Jew, from the loin of Judah because the levites will tell you he is not truly a Jew by blood but a levite], God did not speak to a single Jew [if you have a proof, present it because those 100s of years, God was not asleep or speechless or inactive and not being the All Powerful]. God did not say that He will only speak to Jews and no one else. Jesus did not say that he was the last prophet or Jew or man that God will speak with; even among the heathens, Saul being one, he claimed God spoke to him, who he later identify as Jesus and we know that Jesus was not God but only a prophet sent by God like any prophet before, regardless of having a father and or a mother.



[Quote] And the God in the bible says he values his word and his word can never change,[/Quote]Jeremiah in the Bible says the word of God was changed. read your bible and tell us if you are correct rather than Jeremiah who takes the opposite view.



[Quote]why is another man coming up to tell us God has changed his mind,[/Quote]Jesus told the Jews that God has changed His mind. read your Bible and tell us what you get between OT and what NT say about God, then what NT says about Jesus.



[Quote] bible words are no longer his words.[/Quote]is this not what the Jews say about Jesus position?



[Quote] The new God has now renounced his word in the bible.[/Quote]the Jews say this exactly about Jesus and NT.



[Quote] Its weird and funny.[/Quote]the Jews fell this way about Jesus and NT



[Quote] I will create my religion tomorrow and claim a prophet was drinking beer when God was writing with his hands, he didnt listen to God properly, I actually listen to God, God even gave me a photocopies of his word.

I will spiral bind it and give to my followers.[/Quote]and many will accept it as they accepted from Paul. and you will develop a good following; beer drinker especially, just like Atheism got people who are denial of their origin.



[Quote]Know the truth and the truth shall set you free.[/Quote]so i wanna hear from you, God is One the way takes Him, or God is Three in Trinity, having Jesus, Ghost and Jehovah as each being 100% at all time. Which one belief is true here or are both true?



[Quote]Thank Jehovah for the fruit truth and understanding.[/Quote]now here, you didn't thank Jesus and thank Ghost but only Jehovah? this is truly weird and funny in a crying or weeping way. its a noted day that you admit that Jesus and Ghost neither is worthy of thanks but Jehovah is. you destroyed Trinity all by your pen.



[Quote]As Jesus prophesied, everything is happening like it, no minus, no plus.[/Quote]not too fast. tell me when he returned as he promised that he would before the last of the disciples died or there is disciple alive somewhere. give me his name and location? When did Elijah returned because John said he was not Elijah even though Jesus said he was [two holy people disagreeing on a very fundamental issue; who is Elijah in return]? further there was a prophet called 'that prophet' which John and Jesus said they were not, acknowledging his future existence to the Jews, when did that prophet arrived, in Israel or anywhere and whats his name?

Jesus said another comforter will come after him, when did he come and what was his name? if you say it is the ghost, tell me how he fulfilled the job of the another comforter, how a ghost heard and spoke [the ghost is God the christian says, so he will need to hear from God first then. speaking to humans must be in the language the humans speak and understand, definitely understand because the message will be lost.]? Paul taught christians more than what Jesus taught the Jews that followed him.

Paul showed them many new things. Paul glorified Jesus by truly making him one of a kind son of God instead of what all the children of israel arrogantly call themselves, while Israel their father never said he was God or son of God and we know Jacob was one of the grand sons of grand father Abraham. Paul outlined what come in the future and guide the christians for ever.

these were the qualities of another comforter. apart from hearing from God, Paul did everything else that the another comforter is described to do. Why will christian rejects him as the another comforter? This is my head scratcher. but they say it is the ghost who failed in every aspect of the role of the another comforter. the ghost has not written record. Jesus has a record, though mostly suspicious. Paul does have a firm and full record.

if Paul is not, then he has false all the while and Jesus is wrong for predicting the ghost that appeared but failed in all the aspects of the another comforter.



[Quote]All power on earth and heaven has been given to him. And to us if we are close to him.[/Quote]satan said the same thing to Jesus. Jesus never said satan was lying about all the powers have been given to satan. who is correct, you or Jesus?



@Thirst4Lif « #65 on: Today at 03:28:12 PM »
[Quote]If Muslims are permitted to have multiple wives, some barely in their teens, surely

a lie will be forgiven! Grin[/Quote]the bold is the only 'lie' you wrote here. no muslim is permitted to marry in the barely teen ages. you have to as male or female must reach the age of marriage and be conscious of the office or duty of marriage before entering it. a 6 or 9 year old boy etc cant marry an 18 year old or older woman. one is not at the marrying age yet. sisi, take the drink of life from the fountain that will give you benefit in the Day of Judgment.

@Frosbel; i guess you are on summer break from the university?

don't join the rioters.

@frosbel; may Allah make you live long, so that you may have a long period to discover Islam. Amin.

[Quote]Exactly what are the Satanic verses:

Here is how the Koran once read with the satanic verses:

Here is how it reads today in the Koran:

Near it is the Garden of Abode. Behold, the Lote-tree was shrouded (in mystery unspeakable!) (His) sight never swerved, nor did it go wrong! For truly did he see, of the Signs of his Lord, the Greatest! Have ye seen Lat. and 'Uzza, And another, the third (goddess), Manat?

Near it is the Garden of Abode. Behold, the Lote-tree was shrouded (in mystery unspeakable!) (His) sight never swerved, nor did it go wrong! For truly did he see, of the Signs of his Lord, the Greatest! Have ye seen Lat. and 'Uzza, And another, the third (goddess), Manat?

These are the exalted cranes (intermediaries) Whose intercession is to be hoped for.

[Words of Satan Deleted]

What! for you the male sex, and for Him, the female? Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair! (an-Najm 53:19-22)

What! for you the male sex, and for Him, the female? Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair! (an-Najm 53:19-22)[/Quote]the bold[s] are your own addition and make belief and device, oh enemies of Pure Monotheism. from the bibles we see satan having great influence on Jesus of the bible. he influence Peter enough that Jesus actual called him satan. then satan influence Judas Iscariot to scheme and showed Jesus to the enemies. then Judas committed suicide under the influence of satan who did not him that repentance is the true way out.

no muslims with Muhammad [as] that satan was able to influence. lets talk about Muhammad [as] for a minute.

Allah guaranteed the purity of Quran, so much so that He told Muhammad to just listen because He will imprint or implant or impact it in or on his heart. we see how easy Quran is to memorize. it is the only book that self correct the reader or reciter.

to say Muhammad [as] said 'crane' is pure lie. The crane is not a bird that will survive in the desert. and is a very harsh desert without food resources for such a big bird. Only what is local were mentioned and used with the Quraishi when they were addressed personally. example is the surah of the elephant. Elephant was not known to them, but brought in as the military tank of today by Abraha the enemy of Allah.

the bird used to defeat the army was a tiny bird a little bigger than hummingbird with beaks strong enough to pick up grain of sand, the adequate bomb in that war.

how can crane be mentioned and what familiarity was it to the makkans,

If a person says the nigerian got pelted with heavy snow in august instead of rain or hail, we know that such a person has lied. this is the case with crane in makka.

worse is to say that Muhammad [as] as a person say something that will make him acknowledge idolatry is absurd. none of his arch enemies; Abu Lahab, his wife, Abu Jahal was reported to rejoice and join him from the moment he said to them idolatry is to be stopped.

no emigre returned from Ethiopia, instead the continue to migrate out of makka. i can give you many more obvious proof that there is no satanic verse or verses. abrogated verses are kept still in the Quran; abrogating speaking in Salah. Abrogating consumption of Alcohol.

The best evidence is the Capability of Allah; He is Most Capable. He promise to protect Quran and it is.

Frosbel says he is without enmity toward islam. i dont know your heart, but your pen speaks differently.

could you tell us what we say that was a blasphemy to Jesus?

one will be sufficient.

in sural taubah, it stars out with the following 4 verses and these you ignored but jump the tail end of the story to say see, islam is violent;

9:1 [This is a declaration of] disassociation, from Allah and His Messenger, to those with whom you had made a treaty among the polytheists.

9:2 So travel freely, [O disbelievers], throughout the land [during] four months but know that you cannot cause failure to Allah and that Allah will disgrace the disbelievers.

9:3 And [it is] an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah is disassociated from the disbelievers, and [so is] His Messenger. So if you repent, that is best for you; but if you turn away - then know that you will not cause failure to Allah . And give tidings to those who disbelieve of a painful punishment.

9:4 Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you; so complete for them their treaty until their term [has ended]. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].

He ignored you since you have created what is equivalent to Trinity, with idols already destroyed.

To the 'daughters you mentioned' curse of Allah is on them. now tell me if you ask curse what you worship?

Allah may just let truth ring through.

you may be pleasantly surprised.

wait. and are waiting, just as well.


no one has left islam even with your best effort in [makr].

Glory belongs to Allah. it is easy to learn arabic, too.

this story above is so touching, it brought the Quran alive, walking, talking, consoling the heart of those who meet it. I brought back Muhammad [as] on the mimbar in the mosque in Madina, with all the hundreds of 1000s of the companions [rs] listen to him and absorbing everything.

They benefited then. We benefit today, as freshly as they were then. We live Islam, with greatness of Iman. islam is amanah [trust] in our hands.

Allah has spoken. His messenger [as] displayed the best of noble quality.

We are all grateful to Allah for it.

may Allah continue to increase you. Amin.

@Yommyuk; Chew on this; [Quote]In[b] Deuteronomy 12:30-31[/b], God calls Human sacrifice something that He hates, and an abomination to Him, "for every abomination to the Eternal, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.

In[b] Jeremiah 19:4-6,[/b] God tells us that Human sacrifice is so horrible a concept to Him, that it did not even come into His mind to demand it from His creation, "They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind."


We see the same thing in Psalm 106:37-38, and in Ezekiel 16:20. This means that God would not accept Jesus's death on the cross as a blood sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins. The very idea of that God would accept a human sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins is UnBiblical.[/Quote]now put in you thinking pipe and smoke it before you say anything.

www.whatjewsbelieve.org/explanation4.html -



the below is the most ridiculous; knock yourself out reading it. it is tailor made in its lies for you.

. . . Now, technically, the contradiction does NOT exist, for two reasons: (1) Jesus was obviously not a child when the crucifixion occurred and (2) He was not 'innocent' AFTER the point at which He 'became sin for us' (2 Cor 5.21: God made him who had no sin to be sin for us) and 'He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree'--I Pet 2.24. It is only AFTER this point that God's wrath was poured out upon our Lord.

But there is also MORE data that is relevant to dealing with the bigger theological picture here.

Without trying to show a 'mastery of the obvious' here, let me restate the facts and ask the next level question.

To kill an innocent child as a sacrifice was murder.
To kill an innocent child (in normal circumstances) was murder.
To kill an adult guilty of a capital offense was justice.
To kill an innocent adult was murder.

But the next question is: was it okay for an innocent adult to sacrifice himself/herself (not in the sense of suicide, but in the sense of a substitution)? [Notice that this question is only oblique to the issue of Jesus--He became 'guilty' FOR us, so number 3 above was His situation--deliberately.] . . .

christianthinktank.com/sacra.html

i meant greek, instead of great.

@Salisuammy; « #38 on: Today at 10:00:37 AM »
[Quote]Sweetnecta let me tell u that u are just a blind man following another blind man i.e Muhammed.[/Quote]thats not true because Muhammad [as] had what the eye specialist called 20/20 vision, up the time of death.


[Quote] Because u saw your neighbor bowing to the sun, worshipping the sun, u jump up buy your own kettle and start doing the same. I tell u that all muslims are idol worshippers[/Quote]thats not true because i dont worship idol. i donteven have a kettle. i do all my ablution right from the water faucet [bowl].


[Quote] I have seen muslims who claim to protect themselves and their families by going to a native doctor to give them something to bathe with or put on their door posts,[/Quote]plenty of christians do this. or you dont know that already? ask around your neighborhood.


[Quote]so tell me if your so called “ellah” [/Quote]you seem to not know that this was what the bibles say that Jesus said on the cross before he gave up the 'ghost'. read the bible; he did not speak great or english or said father, The name of God in his language. He didn't say Yahweh or Jehovah, but he said Ellah. thats how you derived halleluya. check it out and report back to us. your public is waiting. My Lord God Who is One is Allah.


[Quote]as u have being spelling it can not protect u why worship him. your muhammed before he died told his followers that he was not even sure of his fate[/Quote]read the post of frosbel in the muslim section where he was talking about lies [the thread should have been titled; lies against Islam], where he posted the concern of Abu Bakr [ra] paradise; Muhammad [as] as a messenger of Allah promised him of entering paradise.
when the messenger [as] said that he did not know his own fate, it is a statement of humbleness and humility to his Creator.


[Quote] so now tell me how can u follow a confused person?[/Quote]there is no confusion honoring God by being full of humility and humbling your self before Him. Jesus humbled and full of humility before his Creator Ellah.


[Quote] Am sure muhammed is somewhere in hell burning right now and u are killing people for him.[/Quote]I swear by Allah that you have lied. He is the chairman of those who will enter paradise. He will by Allah enter it before anyone. And Paradise is different from heaven; heaven is a 7 layer envelopes containing things below the first layer.


[Quote]How else can I classify u people if not idol worshippers who use the blood of humans for your sacrifice and claim to fight for your ellah?[/Quote]It was Jesus that your said he call Ellah his God Who forsaken him. My God is Allah. And He does not forsake believers. And no believer will blame Him when he or she is in test or trial or difficult situation.
an idol worshiper will have an idol or some symbol around him or her to worship. such a symbol, example is a 'cross'. do you have a cross?
when a person worship Trinity, that is a form of many gods. please do your homework well.

@Frisbel: Must you lie to keep propping up yhe dead corpse religion, against Islam?

dead man doesn't talk. when something has lost its value, you can say 'dead 'thing' walking'


this morning i was reading Suratul Rad {Thunder], and verse 33 and 42 have Makr in them. I present them along with the beautiful story of human reality in it. Please in the Makr, the translator used plot and plan, please used any of the words you prefer and be consistent in each verse. Then read it to yourself before you post it for the whole world to see your english scholarship. its not technical writing but is almost in a religious way.

[Quote]13:33 Then is He who is a maintainer of every soul, [knowing] what it has earned, [like any other]? But to Allah they have attributed partners. Say, "Name them. Or do you inform Him of that which He knows not upon the earth or of what is apparent of speech?" Rather, their [own] plan has been made attractive to those who disbelieve, and they have been averted from the way. And whomever Allah leaves astray - there will be for him no guide.

13:34 For them will be punishment in the life of [this] world, and the punishment of the Hereafter is more severe. And they will not have from Allah any protector.

13:35 The example of Paradise, which the righteous have been promised, is [that] beneath it rivers flow. Its fruit is lasting, and its shade. That is the consequence for the righteous, and the consequence for the disbelievers is the Fire.

13:36 And [the believers among] those to whom We have given the [previous] Scripture rejoice at what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], but among the [opposing] factions are those who deny part of it. Say, "I have only been commanded to worship Allah and not associate [anything] with Him. To Him I invite, and to Him is my return."

13:37 And thus We have revealed it as an Arabic legislation. And if you should follow their inclinations after what has come to you of knowledge, you would not have against Allah any ally or any protector.

13:38 And We have already sent messengers before you and assigned to them wives and descendants. And it was not for a messenger to come with a sign except by permission of Allah . For every term is a decree.

13:39Allah eliminates what He wills or confirms, and with Him is the Mother of the Books.

13:40 And whether We show you part of what We promise them or take you in death, upon you is only the [duty of] notification, and upon Us is the account.

13:41 Have they not seen that We set upon the land, reducing it from its borders? And Allah decides; there is no adjuster of His decision. And He is swift in account.

13:42 And those before them had plotted, but to Allah belongs the plan entirely. He knows what every soul earns, and the disbelievers will know for whom is the final home.

13:43 And those who have disbelieved say, "You are not a messenger." Say, [O Muhammad], "Sufficient is Allah as Witness between me and you, and [the witness of] whoever has knowledge of the Scripture."[/Quote]further, the who chapter, or just i posted here. Allah mentioned disbeliever [Pagans, Christians, etc about partnership the invented] report back to us. make your own makr known or unknown to us. we are only humans. Allah knows about you. I pray that receive guidance before too long. Amin.

[Quote]« #8 on: Yesterday at 01:37:50 PM »

But at the moment most moslems are too weak and hungry to go rampaging in the streets. maybe the non practicing moslems are with them.[/Quote]you almost got it, except the reason is true believers should not steal which is doing evil, and not because of hunger and weakness, since muslims fight their enemies in wars even in the month of Ramadhan.

may Allah guide your steps and lead your feet, conscience and soul into Islam. Amin.

@betathings;« #49 on: Yesterday at 11:22:23 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 10:57:40 PM
@Davidylan; « #39 on: Today at 02:17:13 PM »at least a 1000 years? Is this not a lie? Can you give us the 1st year of christianity and give us the first
SN, I strongly advise against debating someone who is so rude as to write the name of Allah in small letters. It is pointless and you should really desist. We shall see who will wail on the day of resurrection.[/Quote]thanks my brother. Ramadhan karim. i shall. Salaamualaykum wa Rahmatullah.

@Frosbel; « #32 on: Yesterday at 02:48:04 PM »
[Quote]KEEP Lying.  This is what the Hans Wehr dictionary also says.[/Quote]lying is deceiving, scheming, plotting, planning, etc. Which one is most appropriate since you thing i am not telling you te truth, if you have to replace lying with one othe these?


[Quote]The passage Surah 3:54 is given below in Arabic[/Quote]the passage was talking about disbelievers future action. right? against Jesus or against righteousness i will take it. right? shall we then say that these disbelievers were deceiving Jesus about their intention to harm him, if you say Allah then deceives the deceptive disbelievers? How did the disbelievers deceived Jesus, if you can explain it? Were they friends of Jesus and showing him clean teeth smiling, telling him we will not hurt you, we will protect you, we give you our words, pledging allegiance to you, oh prophet of God? If this is not the case between Jesus and the evil disbelievers who were not his disciples, then deception, deceiving, deceit, deceiver will be the wrong sets of words.

how about scheming since they hated his guts? It will better but planning is the best since their agenda is a plan, that they intended to carry out, being his enemies and never say they were his friends [they would have been deceiving or scheming if they were his friends; Judas deceived, schemed, planned because he was a friend, but the jews by and large were his enemies]. We see now that Allah cant be the greatest of Deceivers in this verse.

how about the greatest of Schemers? no, because Allah was not on earth with them, Jesus His Slave was with a message that the disbelievers hated. wile the schemed or plan, Allah knows their evil intent already, so all He does was to enact a plan, not schemes since He is All Knowing to derail their efforts, as Only He can, the reason Jesus depended on Him. I depend on Him, too.

Scheming connotes that you hide the truth even when you should have revealed it, because asked.
Deceiving is when the opposite what was expect is done.
Planning is just that, a process to achieve a goal, objective. in this case Allah has decreed that Jesus will not be killed by humiliation of being hung because the jews in their occult lives of Kabala, etc believe that a person hung to death on the tree has his soul cursed.

do you then expect Allah to not protect His Messenger [as] with the best of protections so that the plans of the disbelievers will come to nothing? If you want to make call the effort of the disbelievers a deception of the disbelievers to Jesus, please proof it. Why is it a deception but not a plan?



[Quote]Notice Allah refers to himself as "Khayrul-Makereen" which correctly translated means "Allah is the greatest of all deceivers." This is verified by looking up the root letters (Meem, Kaaf, and Rah) in an Arabic Dictionary such as Al-Mawrid:[/Quote]Why is not the greatest of planners? By the way the greatest is also Akbar like in Allahu Akbar {Allah is the Greatest}, Kabira like in uluwan Kabira [greatest haughiness]. you can now see that greatest has many arabic word, and makr has many english meaning, frosbel?



[Quote]If one still doubts the meaning of the term, consider Abu Bakr’s testimony to the deceptive character of Allah taken from the "Successors of the Messenger" by Khalid Muhammad Khalid, p. 70:[/Quote]will the proper term be plan of Allah, since the Quran has laid out the road map to success or not success if you do not follow it? i will read the below piece that you have mentioned.



[Quote]For those of you who don’t read Arabic Abu Bakr, though promised paradise by Allah and his apostle, while weeping says, "By Allah! I would not feel safe from the deception (same Arabic word) of Allah, even if I had one foot in paradise."[/Quote]is that a better read if it says; By Allah i would not feel safe from the plan [same arabic word] of Allah, even if i had one foot in paradise?



[Quote]The testimony of Abu Bakr is consistent with the Quran which tells Muslims that they should not feel secure against the Makr or deception of Allah.[/Quote]They should not feel secure against the plan [makr] of Allah [because if they slip they may just die on that slip 'act'. Allah warns that believer should not die unless on the state of Muslim; the last act should be that of Muslim, not act of disbeliever]. the bracketed should explain that deception is inappropriate but rather plan is the correct word.



[Quote]"Are they then secure from Allah's scheme (Makr)? None deemeth himself secure from Allah's scheme (Makr) save folk that perish." S. 7:99 Pickthall[/Quote]Are they them secure from Allah's plan [makr]? None deemeth himself secure from Allah's plan [makr] save folk that perish. S 7 verse 99.



[Quote]The word translated "scheme" by Pickthall is the same Arabic word (Meem, Kaaf, Rah or Makr) which the dictionary tells us means deception. The Arabic of Surah 7:99 is given below.[/Quote]are scheme and deception the two words that means makr? how about plan? What is the word for plan? Fosbel, you are a liar if you can't find another word for makr. You are also a liar if plan is also Makr.



[Quote]Abu Bakr being a true believer in Islam could not feel safe from Allah’s deception (Makr) even though he was promised paradise by Allah and his apostle Muhammad![/Quote]No one should feel safe from the plan of Allah and Allah does not have to deceive anyone because He is Lord God capable in all respects. he is different from Yahweh who is incapable according to your bibles. He is different from Jehovah who is 3 and the power must also be 1/3 of the original if this is true.



[Quote]Because of the devastating implications of the phrase "Allah Khayrul-Makereen" one prominent Muslim apologist claimed Makereen has a different meaning when applied to the divine. Below are a few problems with this position.

The passage says Allah is the greatest of all makereen. Makereen describes all members of a class of which Allah is the greatest member. If someone is the greatest member of a set they must be a member of that set. Therefore, this Muslim argument is logically impossible.[/Quote]it will be impossible to read that the enemies of Jesus who were not disciples or people willing to agree with him, in their willingness to kill him deceived him, rather that make their plan to kill him. Or you prefer that it is a better english sentence that the enemies of Jesus deceived to kill him and Allah then deceived to save him? But He saved him, frosbel. You are terrible soul. Nothing good is coming from you up till now.



[Quote]Neglecting for a moment the logical impossibility of this explanation, let us consider the broader discussion of applying descriptive language to God. Typically adjectives change the strength of their character when applied to greater beings but not the basic character of the word. For example, the word "good" might be applied as an adjective to a dog, a man, and God. Certainly the word "good" became much stronger as it was applied to greater beings. None the less, the word "good" did not have a transformation of its basic character when applied to different types of beings. Good may mean something different in each case but in each case it was something good. If the word makereen becomes stronger in its meaning as applied to greater beings then the objection of the Christian becomes even stronger with that change.[/Quote]let the christian rejoice in their failure. i for one weep for them. I weep for them in the same sense that Muhammad [as] stood when the funeral procession of a jew passed by him. He stood up for the soul regretfully destined for hell fire and could have been destined for paradise if only that Jew had followed the messenger [as] in Madina with him, the same way Jewish Rabbi turned Muslim Abdallah AbdulSalam [ra] in Madina.

You have the Quran in your community. That represents Muhammad, because it was the word he heard from Allah and he poke it to mankind, and only believers accept it.

Is makr to only mean deception, or scheme, but not plan?

how do you figure when Yahweh says He regretted? Is that to mean the greatest regret? The greatest regret will be in Hell fire. Bible is wrong, and so are the christians. They are not satisfied with their conditions and their book versions, but they must plan [makr], or scheme [makr] but I will not say deceive [makr] the muslims to become like them.


Shame on you frosbel on your plan [mark] to deceive [makr]. but we know your scheme [makr]. inchaAllah Allah will protect us by His plan [makr] against you. He does not have to deceive [makr] you about His ability, and there is no scheme [makr] hidden from you.

You know now.

@Davidylan; « #39 on: Today at 02:17:13 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: vedaxcool on Yesterday at 05:02:15 PM
Fanaticism has never gotten anybody anywhere, your denial of Muslim sources of Translation in prefence to Christian sources, only makes your character questioonable and simply indicts the way you reason. i am pretty amaze the level of civility you display when you do not agree with people, so unless we accept the translation given by a German, of which i have shown one given by an English man, it makes us Liars? Only Foolish people will believe your Foolish Logics, You keep showing the bigotry that I know you with when you were still a brainless Zionist who accepted everything Isreal did as being Proper Code of Conduct according to the Bible. yet instead of re- examining why you swallowed foolery wholeheartedly you instead became an anti - islamic Extremist who label Muslims Liars for not accepting your source of evidence or of having a different understanding of it.

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin, May Allah reward you a thousand folds amin, How Fanatical can Frosbel?

that's odd. By virtue of the fact that christianity has existed for at least 1000 yrs BEFORE islam,[/Quote]at least a 1000 years? Is this not a lie? Can you give us the 1st year of christianity and give us the first year of Islam, and see if a 1000 years exist between them? Liar. this is true. your statement is truly an obvious lie. thats 'ODD'. not really odd coming from your mouth.



[Quote] whose sources of translation would be more reliable?[/Quote]being earlier is not always being factual, or even reliable. otherwise the world will still be flat today. but we know that to an obviously ignorant mind, looking at the world from his apartment, he sees a flat floor, and he concludes 'the world is flat'. there is google satellite that says differently; the world is not flat, pally. and monumental act of doltishness like your about being earlier to mean being right[er] will not be condoned.



@Laalamed« #40 on: Today at 05:05:21 PM »
[Quote]Bible condems lying in all ramifications.liars shall not enter God kingdon.1cor 6:9,1[b][/b]0.People must know different between lie and hidding information.to avoid lying christian may remain silent or not giving specific information.JESUS did that when pilate asked him,are u king?regarding midwives in exodus account,they are not jews.they are egyptians.they did not live.they hid information.cleverly one can avoid lying in perilious situations by hid essential information.however if a christian lie,he should pray for forgiveness.lying is listed alongside fornication,murder as sins that incur death.Bible condems lying in all ramifications.liars shall not enter God kingdon.1cor 6:9,10.People must know different between lie and hidding information.to avoid lying christian may remain silent or not giving specific information.JESUS did that when pilate asked him,are u king?regarding midwives in exodus account,they are not jews.they are egyptians.they did not live.they hid information.cleverly one can avoid lying in perilious situations by hid essential information.however if a christian lie,he should pray for forgiveness.lying is listed alongside fornication,murder as sins that incur death.[/Quote]Jesus said; whoever calls a man 'fool' will enter hell. Later, Jesus said to a people or a person 'you are a fool'. Where is Jesus by the mouth of Jesus from the two biblical verses above? If christians do not lie, they will say hell forever. this is your book. read it.

Did jesus lie, if he is not an inmate of Hell? The christians will have search their consciences if the bible is true and Jesus is true.

Jesus promised a hearing talking Another Comforter to accomplish some few roles after him. Did the ghostly fire on the day of penticost accomplish them that day, since the ghost never came back to the disciples, again? Did Jesus lie or the it it the Bible Writers and Christians are the liars, or no one lied? please answer or proof that no one lied.

John said he was not Elijah or Messiah or That Prophet [please where is that prophet prophesied in OT that the Jewish scholarship was able to ask John this?].

Jesus he was not Elijah, but John was Elijah [John already said he was not Elijah. So he and Jesus disagreed with each other there. who is telling the truth? Please me know because either way the Bible has contained a lie or statement of ignorance],

Jesus said he was Messiah and he was not that Prophet [please tell me if that prophet ever came since no one came as a prophet among the children of Israel after Jesus?].


Are there no lies in my analysis of the biblical verses and events above?

@Frosbel; The people are making the city into an inferno.

A person who is criticizing the original source of the language even his Bible in Arabic is writing is demented so much similar to a brazilian yoruba language magazine editor in Bahia, criticizing oyo or ibadan city people speaking yoruba.


a yoruba man with a ph. d. degree in yoruba language from university of ibadan can't come to alaafin's court and accuses the oba and his chiefs for poor yoruba grammar or proper sentence.

yet, that is less of unethical behavior than any arabs criticizing the Quran. is not the Quran that each thing that is good in arabic language stands?

Bukhari Volume 004, Book 052, Hadith Number 257.

Narrated By ‘Abdullah : During some of the Ghazawat of the Prophet a woman was found killed. Allah’s Apostle disapproved the killing of women and children.

maybe Frosbel is reporting from the riot place.

@Martian; [Quote]I think most can't fathom that the very basis of their existence is based on lies that have been assumed to be absolute truths since they were children.[/Quote]what is the truth about the basic existence of man, use martian and his ascendants as example? Where do you come from; how did you become this modern man? Who was the pre-modern man, and what was his or its description, and who was that first modern man that came from him? What made the change[s] drastic or gradual, it does not matter, make your own choice?



[Quote]The existential crisis that will accompany an acknowledgment of the non existence of god will probably drive some berserk.[/Quote]so what exist before the first thing you accept exist? How does that thing exist and or came to existence? Please give reasonable proofs.



[Quote]Just imagine Vedaxcool and Sweetnecta without their delusions or Frosbel and enigma without the fuzzy feelings of "eternal life".[/Quote]please use the two questions above to explain yourself and that will be enough to answer the delusional issue that you said vedaxcool and me have as muslims. you may even expanciate as much as you want. proof you must and you can't i will take it that you are suffering from delusion.



[Quote]It's probably better that they are devout. Now if we can just get them to keep their ideologies from causing needless chaos directly and indirectly every single day.[/Quote]they are shooting people up in norway. i pray denmark is not next because the white dude will be coming for all you blacks running after their women. that is your ideology; chasing the white ideals.

[Quote]« #11 on: Today at 08:19:25 PM »

These atheists and their jokes. You guys should function more often in the joke section of nairaland. Even Jesus believes the Adam and Eve account. By the way, not many christians care if Mo divided the moon or joined the stars, it's pointless.[/Quote]i wish i can use the bold, replacing atheists with christians and jews.

as to the un-bold, if jesus was God, believe of Adam and Eve account would not what you will write, but was the Master behind it, and i would have forced you to provide proof.

If not all christians care, do you see the footstep of the jews about Jesus in what you said as a christian about Muhammad [as]?

Matthew 10 verse 34: Think not that I came to send peace on the earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.


How about that boys and girls? This is the granddaddy of them all. we call potential warrior, like in the 'say hello to my little friend, magnum PI or is it Inspector Callaghan or Josie Whales'?

i am laughing in massachusetts; the spirit of america; red white and blue.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I am responding to you to open the eyes of other people. Yours, maybe it is sealed already?

facts of human history.

[Quote]And what does this have to do with facts on the ground which confirm that your religion was started by a violent man and most of his dedicated followers ( true Muslims as it were ) are inherently violent.[/Quote]if this is not empty accusation, meaning lie, i dont know what is. Muhammad [as] did not start Islam. no prophet is permitted to start a religion other than stand on and continue on the path of God's religion ordained on mankind. This reason of in-permissibility is why Moses did not start Judaism [check their worship and check the simple worship of Moses], Jesus didnt belong to the religion of Christianity or Judaism but same religion of Moses, Abraham, Noah and indeed Adam [as to each], [please check the worship of Jesus to know the truth; was he ever a christian, the evidence is clear that the christians are on the wrong path].

Those who are on the wrong path, christian frosbel is a good example herewill make stupendous allegation and thinking he will win over by just the allegation. there is a need to proof, if you dont know that evidence is essential. it is.

was Muhammad [as] violent? A man whose father died before his birth will presumable will have no father figure in his life. they lack that father to son bond and how to be a male. the same boy lost his mother at about age 6 to 8. He is now a confirmed orphan. i was a half orphan for about 30 years so i know the hardship, but not as hard as a full orphan for over 30 years, which was the case of Muhammad [as]. Did Muhammad [as] at anytime had a quarrel, a disrespect, a fight with or towards anyone he ever as an ordinary human being? No. If anyone know of any incident, we want to hear it.

At 40, when he was legally unable to claim being an orphan, he declared that he is a prophet of God. he told people that their ways should be changed from false worship to direct worship to the Unseesn God, Allah by Arabic Language. You could Him Eledumare if you are Yoruba.

this simple statement made himthe enemies of the powerful idolators, including many of his uncles. they persecuted him and his supporters, brothers in this religion for 13 years that he finally packed up and left with just the provisions for the journey. all his companions abandoned their wealth in Makka, became poor and start over in Madina. Muhammad is now 53, 20 years more than the 33 years frosbel will count for Jesus.

when Muhammad [as] was 55 years old the Makkans chose a route instead of another to bring their wares that they acquired from the properties of the muslims left in Makka when they had to leave under the darkness of the night. this action of the pagan Makkans will be similar to if Argentina had bullied England from Falkans Island and then go to Ireland to set up a project the name 'Falkans Island Resources'. Will England not mount a protest to shut such a business down from Ireland and continental Europe, even USA, and many other former british colonies?


do i blame the Madina muslims for wanting some part of their wealth back, the reason that they tell the ansar that you are not obligated to fight this goliath because the muhajirun are all david [lion hearted]. if at 55 i fight anyone, those who know me will tell you that i am provoked. my patience is extremely inferior to the patience of the least of the muslims around Muhammad and no one of them has his quality of patience, each inferior to him. I don't know about Yahweh, but Allah chose the best of man in the community to make him a prophet; look back at Moses for example.

Defending yourself includes defending your property from a thief. the pagans stole and the right of the owner is to get his properties back. if that does not make sense to you, tough. you need somebody to teach you how humans behave. Even Yahweh wants His Property back, the reason He disallow idolatry.



[Quote]Jesus preached peace and any one who deviates from such is a heretic.[/Quote]then Jesus is a heretic of his own preached peace by this verse; Matthew 10 verse 34; Think not that I came to send peace on the earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.



[Quote]Muhammad was a warmonger, and any one who deviates from this path is not a true Muslim.[/Quote]If defending yourself when attack is warmongering, america attacking alqaida after 911 will be a warmonger. what do you call a person who calls himself a warrior by the following; Think not that I came to send peace on the earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.



[Quote]Hope this helps friend.!!!![/Quote]hope the above helps for your resignation letter? i know that you have no moral to stand behind your commitment. A person who says God is One and Unseen who then says the same God is 3 and is human in part, etc, has zero value with me. frosbel, you have shown that you are the poster child for emptiness.

[Quote]"An[b] infidel[/b] spy came to the Prophet while he was on a journey. The spy sat with the companions of the Prophet and started talking and then went away. The Prophet said (to his companions), ‘Chase and kill him.’ So, I killed him. The Prophet then gave him the belongings of the killed spy." (vol. 4, pp. 181-182)[/Quote]the bold is a word on the pages of the bibles. normally, that is not a word that exists in islam boobks until the european non muslims imposed it.

@frosbel; if fighting them where ever you find them was a verse without its causes and application in the time of the messenger and his companions [as, ra respectively], what should be the way to handle the pagan quraishis and their jewish jews supporters even fighting muslims after they made them homeless and property-less refugees in Madina?

should there not be a command to fight back?

how will Jesus handle this? How will Yahweh handle this?

The same Yahweh of the prophet Moses? Moses, a prophet to the people of Israel. Jesus a prophet to the people of Israel.

Both had Messages from Yahweh to the people of Israel. Have you no sense?

Surah Nisaa verses 3 to 6 tells us the minimum age of marrying person. we should study and understand the true meaning of these verses.


[Quote]4:3 And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls, then marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then [marry only] one or those your right hand possesses. That is more suitable that you may not incline [to injustice].[/Quote]you can marry orphan girls or even slaves [those who your right hand possesses].


[Quote]4:4 And give the women [upon marriage] their [bridal] gifts graciously. But if they give up willingly to you anything of it, then take it in satisfaction and ease.[/Quote]every woman that is going to be married must be given dowry.


[Quote]4:5 And do not give the weak-minded [/b]your property, which Allah has made a means of sustenance for you, but provide for them with it and clothe them and speak to them words of appropriate kindness.[/Quote]a person by virtue of low brain capability/IQ, you should not give them your holdings, they should not be your trustee.


[Quote]4:6 [b]And test the orphans [in their abilities] until they reach marriageable age. Then if you perceive in them sound judgement, release their property to them. And do not consume it excessively and quickly, [anticipating] that they will grow up. And whoever, [when acting as guardian], is self-sufficient should refrain [from taking a fee]; and whoever is poor - let him take according to what is acceptable. Then when you release their property to them, bring witnesses upon them. And sufficient is Allah as Accountant.[/Quote]is there a prepubescent girl for a wife [or boy who wants to marry a wife], above?

[Quote]2011.08.07 (Abu Ghraib, Iraq) - A father and son are taken out by a Jihad bomb attack on their home.[/Quote]oh. abu ghraib. the remnant of george bush, and other cabal.


and jessica london from west virginia country side, with her thumb's up posing over a dead muslim man.

@frosbel; do you know the american weapons carry biblical verses?

kind as hungry tiger christians, eh?

the eh is canadian signature of speech.

^^^^^^^^

frosbel is not reporting that as christians people rioting.

it is summer riot.


there are muslim youth and they are not in this summer riot, it is christian youths summer riot.


satisfy? what religion profess the rioters thats the important thing.


you forgot the muslims were actually fighting for they were fighting for. same thing with the christians.

@Frosbel; we call people like you armchair or tuesday morning [i want to eliminate him from monday night football] quarterback.

if you are a real reporter, get your gear and put on your burden [the cross] on your neck and give us the report from the tribal outpost of the region between afghanistan and pakistan.

that when i know you are doing reporting. the one you are doing from council flat in east london does not do it for me.

@Lagosshia: Salaamualaykum wa Rahmatullah. Ramadhan Karin aleykum to you.

[Quote]Quote
The Messenger [as] who is the most important person who ever walked the face of the earth and the one everyone else must imitate made congregational Tarawih for 3 consecutive nights. And then stopped, for the reason of making it look like fard.
According to Sunnis,they reject Mut’ah marriage because they believe that the Prophet (sa) allowed his companions to perform but later stopped them.if that was the case,then why have sunnis continue with the practice of congregational taraweeh even though the Prophet (sa) stopped it?[/Quote]Muhammad [as] said that he did not want it to become obligatory. This is mercy from him. It is a choice. Just like some people who marry their cousins. I will not marry my cousin because I am a lion, a bold man who need no one I am familiar with as a wife to be able to not be shy. Some women can dominate a man you know and these men may go for their cousins, a familiar territory.

The Mutah was also a thing that was out of line of final morality as Allah finished the order on Islam on Muhammad [as], considering that Ibrahim [as] was married to his own sister, Sarah as they say. You see how Mutah is a no no in the final analysis?

which virgin woman wants to be a Mutah wife? whats good for virgin is good for divorcee. Whats good for divorcee is good for virgin. What Allah completed Islam with is Perfect Morality. Muhammad [as] was right to remind the people to drop any and all filthy quality.

My brother, I am not in the mood to take the discussions further than this. We have a common goal. We also have a common 'foes', davidylan, Frosbel, etc who are lying deliberately or ignorantly. lets unite against their evil and our own simple disagreement InshaAllah will not lead us to hell fire.

I will not go to hell, InshaAllah for not want to marry my cousin, and or for not participating in Mutah; thats somebody's daughter, somebody's woman folk, somebody's future wife.

@Tpia@; « #27 on: Today at 12:18:43 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 05:20:09 AM
isn't God against spilling of blood?

is Jesus not against spilling of blood?

Or he just like to spill his own blood, by force?


the way the human race is structured, spilling of blood is an integral part of their existence.

that's why Jesus had to come in order to show a better way.

and yes, his own blood had to be spilled so a select few could be saved from this curse which is bound up in the human gene.[/Quote]Are you sure? The Lord of Jesus sent Jesus hated sacrifices. He will not choose human sacrifice to end all sacrifices. Not the son from His beloved consort Mary [read your Bibles before you respond].

Jesus hate sacrifices. He will not want to end all sacrifices by allowing himself especially considering that he cried, wept, begged in prayers not to even have "this cup" [whatever that cup is] on his head. I do not believe that Yahweh will ignore the demand of His only son from His only consort Mary to be killed.

When they were dragging him Yahweh must have acted at some point in the confusion, especially when they plucked poor guy Simon of Syrene from the road to carry the wooden plank.

My proof; The Jews said they stoned him.

the christian said he was hung on a tree.

Please watch this video: http://www.thedeenshow.com/show.php?action=detail&id=1320


please start from the 14th minutes to say 20th.

then read this; www.christisnotrisen.com/talmudonjesus.html - Cached -

. . .Mar Seraphion wrote in about AD 70 that the Jews executed their wise king. This cannot mean that the Jews forced Pilate to kill Jesus. It must mean they stoned him or executed him themselves. Mar Seraphion also stated that the king lived on in his teaching just as Pythagoras lived on in the statue of Hera (page 26, The Jesus Inquest). This is a clear declaration that the resurrection was thought according to Mar Saraphions sources to be a mystical symbol for Jesus being alive in his doctrine. . . .

I hope somebody teach you yoruba because Oun to Jo oun lafi nwe Oun.

If a book claims to be a revealed guidance, dont you compare it to another which says it, too is revealed for guidance?

When you put them side by side, you will find out which one is truly revealed for guidance. Should I compare the Bible to Buddhist handbook?

Allah is not a physically represented Deity.

Yahweh of the Jews is not a physically represented Deity.

Yahweh of the Christian is a physically represented Deity [or deity].

Which Yahweh is real? What are we talking about here?

Where is the false analogy there in what I wrote that you are beaming ear to ear on?