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@Frosbel; this is a menu for you. this will lead you to know more about UK and isla,


http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=uk+reverts+to+islam+2011&aq=0&oq=UK+reverts

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have you heard of Cat Steven in the Hard Rock of the 1970s? he is an english man name Yusuf Islam, today.

i live in the usa and we have turns of white people who are muslims. one of the is Yusuf Hamza of Zetuna institute in california.

you must be a person who dont pay enough attention. at least do search of convert to islam, in the UK on youtube.


i had just spoken to a friend a moment ago out of geneva. his niece is married to a muslim and he is saying to me that he will pray at the mass for me tomorrow. i am still fasting so i said he should become muslim and then pray for me.

he said never. so i reminded him that islam is already in his family at least by the child of his niece born to the muslim. we began our conversation like that, so i have now asked him to invite me to his religion, because i am now inviting him to islam and he is allowed to ask questions, and at the end he is free to accept after he is convinced that God is One and His way today was the same in the time of Adam.

the Sunnah of God is Unchanging; 1 God without partner, no son or daughter and no parent.

you can not make up your own religion, or your way different from what God Commands.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ if it were to happen that the king of saudi arabia renounces islam, it will have no negative impact on the minds of sincere muslims, even though the kafirun will use it to make their own cases, thinking it is an advantage of some sort.

the reality is that islam is the reality etched on the heart of individuals. if you are fortunate enough to be born into the faith, the fortune may not stay with you because the heart by desire calls for the soul to err wanting to take the easier choice by freewill between restrictive rightful deeds and unadulterated evil deeds and disobedience by choice. the atheist is a good example by his denial that God does not even exist, no Master Planner, yet he controls everything he does by planning ahead, even though with of the effort he puts in what he is doing, the outcome may be failure.

the egyptian former al azhar professor leaving islam is already replaced by many christian professors and others within western countries an others. few years ago i met a palestinian pharmacist, who became muslim in america. that is to show you how Allah Wills success for this palestinian, even outside the land of palestine where he was a christian, coming to america to become muslim. he is seif pharmacy on kennydy boulevard, between tonnelli and sip avenue. then there is the disaster of the former al ahzar professor from egypt who's journey to disgrace started by contacts with the wrong individuals in egypt and out of egypt.

this shows islamis not a truly inherited religion, since many more entered it in america even more quickly after 911, including jewish people who used to have their normal jewish lives, until islam opened their eyes that they are not special to God than anyone if they do not worship an obey God, as He ought to in the process acceptable to Him; Islam.

^^^^^^^^^^^^ what is monotonous about Islam is salah, in a sense because each has basic commonality. but in essence they are different. apart from Surah Fatiha that you must recite first in each standing up position, what you recite after it, if you must recite before bowing, is any part of the rest of the Quran. your recitation can be as short as the shortest surah or long based your own self.

fasting is not monotonous more than the fast is a required number of days; either 29 or 30. in australia right now their fasting days are only say 9 hours, the minutes from just before dawn to the moment just after sun sets because its winter there now and they day light time is short; very short, chile is even shorter.

but europe, etc have summer now and their period of fasting is long. it will longer next few years until we begin to enter fasting in april, march, february, etc again seeing shorter periods of fast. in december it is about 6 am to about 4.30 pm.

zakat is a normal thing and the amount is based on what your specific locality chose for zakatul fitr. in america its about 10 usd. zakatul amal is that wealth you have for a whole year being a minimum of about 350 or so usd, or the price of a troy ounce of gold at a specific time, maybe not a year to year price chances. you pay 2.5% of that.

hajj is once in a lifetime and anything above it is nawaful, not obligation.

The grandaddy of what muslim does is belief in Allah and He commands must be taken with firmness. if you dont have this you are good as being a non muslim in the first place. and this requirement is an instinctive thing in humans. the atheist can deny God all he wants in time of ease. but in time of extreme stress, the difficulties will bring him to reality, because there is no atheist in the foxhole in war's battle field.

when the bullets are flying left and right and life is cut short next to you, they realize 'oh God, help me. i dont wanna die her'.

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@Frosbel; with all the red herring, you are still obliged to hear the truth.

when the truth is told to you, sound mind will not say its red herring. he needs to think about it and realize that he is hearing the truth for the first time, or a lie as usual, by disproving it, instead of just saying red herring.


some silly psychotic person coined a useless term so that he can enslave your thinking, you get stuck in neutral with it, even when the truth is confronting you like life confronts us, daily.

either you are insolent in your ways that you will never accept reality or someone like you needs therapist if not an out right shrink.

@Nuclearboy; « #76 on: Today at 12:15:29 PM »
[Quote] Grin
May allah "make" you victorious What does that mean? You will start searching for interpretations that suit someone who knows he is going to hellfire?[/Quote]there is not interpretation. we will start from verse 63 of Maryam . we will end it 72. that should be enough because it will cover 71 and everything will be in context. if at the end we see the 'all' include every human being, believers and non believers, muslims and non muslims, we shall expect you to renounce christianity and come to islam and start growing your 'koko'.

if the 'all' is limited to muslims and no one else, not even the idol worshipers, then name your demand, i am ready to meet it. i am wondering where will the idol worshipers be if only muslims who are not idol worshipers by their own standard are thrown into hell fire? nuclearboy, its time for you to be a man. leave the boyish qualities alone; do it for Jesus alone or Paul or both. if you are sure that christians will not go to hell fire as you said that the Quran designated it only muslims for hell, but 'nasara [christians] a group of the people of the books [alulkitabu], here is your chance to prove it from the pages of the Quran, specifically Surah Maryam. you have the chance to convert all the muslims of the world, if not those on nairaland, if not me and you will be glorifying trinity by it. but you have to prove, because i do not see things blindly.

when you fail to prove your assumption, Allah would have made me victorious because if you are a male, since you say you are a boy, you will move up the ladder to become a man by reverting to Islam right here.



[Quote]Or maybe I should say someone who knows "some (all)" of those who believes what he believes are "designed" for fire?? Al-taquiyah (religion where lies strenghten "reality".

Sorry Grin I just keep imagining you thinking (and composing your thoughts forever like you do on NL while dancing inside allah's fire) CHEI, I WAS FOOLED.[/Quote]please help me that i am not fooled as you said.take the darn challenge, mehn. today is your day as the christians say; but the day that you win one for christ or Allah humble your heart into Islam. i did not say humiliate you.



[Quote]You are assured of fire, friend and while you see Frosbel as an enemy, he is only trying to save you from eternal regret. "Mo" is burning - do you want to go join him?[/Quote]if you are not hard of hearing or blind as a bat, prove that only Muslims will go to hell and Christians will not from the pages of the Quran. Take a sure chance because you are sure, anyhow. Or are you not sure and now you have cold feet, cowering like little boy instead of a grown man full of life?

the way i am going to defeat nuclearboy is to start Surah Maryam from verse 63 so that the victory from Allah can be recognized by all who read this piece.

i will walk my way to verse 71 and even a verse or 2 after it, to give it the most robust process. take the bait, nuclearboy, you are about to become a praying man, inchaAllah. its time for you to graduate.

chapter 19 verse 63; That is Paradise, which We give as inheritance to those of Our servants who were fearing of Allah .

@Nuclearboy; can you wager your faith on the 'ALL' muslims? i am ready for you.

i have thrown a challenge to alethea on ruuh qudus.

may Allah make me be victorious over alethea and nuclearboy. Amin.


both of you should take you shahadah in just few hours, because the taste of the pudding is in the eating.


put up or shut up.

@Frosbel; is the attitude that you your show from Jesus or from Paul? Don't answer until you read the below;
[Quote]
Re: An Egyptian Islamic Imam Professor Rejects Islam And Says Jesus Is Lord !
« #7 on: Today at 08:46:59 AM »

@BetaThings

Let me comment on a few of your random statements.

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Islam does not permit immorality. P.orno.graphy is forbidden!

But they violation children, such as the article on a 2 year old violated by your Islamic brothers. And they marry 4 wives ( sex addicts ) and permit temporary marriages aka prostitution.

What about all the male and female prostitution in Saudi Arabia and Dubai and did you not hear recently that internet traffic for sexually disgusting data was HIGHEST from the middle east ??[/Quote]the red light district of Amsterdam, Holland, unfortunately most nigerian women waling the streets outside nigeria are not muslims, but christians.



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Allah says 'those who disbelieve after belief, then return to belief and then disbelieve, then believe and return to disbelief . . . this verse in Surah Nisaa points to 2 things for me;

1]. people may be lukewarm in their commitment, sometimes so much so that they abandon such a faith for something worse like muslim leaving islam [this is disaster on the life of such a person because if he dies as a disbeliever, he will see his reality and it is too late to return].

2]. no one in islam should be arrogant and say he is safe from the plan [makr] of Allah, because Allah is the best of Planners; hence pray to Allah always to have the best plan for you, that your feet are planted firmly in islam, not wavering, because the death of former believer dying in disbelief is the greatest disaster on his soul [no one can feel the heat any head in the body of a dead person to know that he is destined for hell. if this possible those disbelievers after they are embalm will be very hot. i hope you know that the embalming is a punishment on the body?].

1. Leaving ISLAM is not a disaster for anybody on this planet. [b][b]Only JESUS can SAVE[/b][/b], Muhammad's tomd is still in Saudi , Jesus's tomb is empty, praise the LORD. If you do not repent you will likewise perish in your sins.[/Quote]physician save thyself. in a riptide i will not cry to or rush to a drowning man to save me. a person who can't save himself will not save me.



[Quote]. Lying again , not a surprise here, even your own Quran says ALLAH is the best of ALL Deceivers, who are you kidding, you replace deceivers with planners , lol. Grin

Qur'an verses

In the following Qur'an verses, Allah reveals to us that he is the "best deceiver".

Qur'an 3:54
Arabic: ومكروا ومكر الله والله خير الماكرين

Transliteration: Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru almakireena

Literal: And they cheated/deceived and Allah cheated/deceived, and Allah (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers.[/Quote]is He cheating? the cheaters, the evildoers, the deceivers? did He promise them that He will allow them free range, unchecked and now He is cheating them? is He deceiving the deceivers, the cheaters, now that He is checking them and disallowing them the free range to do evil?
you are making sense and you live in england? just to defend christianity you took to deceit, If Jesus is unhappy with you, Paul will because he lied to promote his gospel too.



[Quote]Qur'an 7:99
Arabic: افامنوا مكر الله فلايامن مكر الله الا القوم الخاسرون

Transliteration: Afaaminoo makra Allahi fala ya/manu makra Allahi illa alqawmu alkhasiroona

Literal: Did they secure Allah's scheme/deceit ? So no(one) trusts Allah's scheme/deceit except the nation the losers .[/Quote]is this a good read to you? does it need improvement to read well a mistake free english sentence? i am definitely after this leave you to your conscience. below is a better read, appropriately, so compare yours to it; Then did they feel secure from the plan of Allah ? But no one feels secure from the plan of Allah except the losing people.



[Quote]Qur'an 8:30
Arabic: واذ يمكر بك الذين كفروا ليثبتوك او يقتلوك او يخرجوك ويمكرون ويمكر الله والله خير الماكرين

Transliteration: Wa-ith yamkuru bika allatheena kafaroo liyuthbitooka aw yaqtulooka aw yukhrijooka wayamkuroona wayamkuru Allahu waAllahu khayru almakireena

Literal: And when those who disbelieved deceive/scheme at you to affix/affirm you, or kill you, or bring you out, and they scheme/deceive , and Allah deceives/schemes and Allah (is) best (of) the deceivers/schemers .[/Quote]you need to tell us how the disbelievers deceived or schemed 'at Muhammad' who knew it since they never hid their hatred. then, read mine below and take to a professor of english or a librarian to tell you which of the two correct in content, you will be amazed at your finding; And [remember, O Muhammad], when those who disbelieved plotted against you to restrain you or kill you or evict you [from Makkah]. But they plan, and Allah plans. And Allah is the best of planners.


frosbel, you may actually have problem at telling the truth.

@Mazaje; « #16 on: Yesterday at 01:10:55 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on August 11, 2011, 10:39 PM
i do live in the west. probably longer than you. i know grand parents, parents and children all born into Islam. in fact a nigerian lawyer married a wife whose fater and mother are reverts. their own parent that were alive after their reversion became muslims later. the nigerian lawyer is a father by this wife. the west is littered with muslim and the trend is going stronger.  know many nigerians of igbo blood in the 'west' that are muslims; washing dc, philadephia, new york city. what more is a proof against your lie?

I presented a research that was made by a Muslim scholar and professor Prof. Llyas Ba Yunus and you are here giving me some baseless and crazy Sweetnecta stories about your friends and their families?. . . .What am I to do with your stories?. . . .[/Quote]I also live in the west. the reality in the west bear difference with the research.

you remind of the data of muslims in america some decades back. muslims in 1970s were pegged at 6 millions. then the wave of the 1980s along with others factors, today, they say muslims are bare over 6 millions but less than 10 millions. i wonder if they are saying this just to discourage their family members from investigating and enter it because it is natural to do so?

from among the muslims we see hypocrites who will quickly sell out islam for fist full of dollars [i don't wanna write rombi; chinese currency].

^^^^^^^^^^^^ frosbel, you are so ignorant that you ought to just volunteer to shut up abd listen for a change. God.

you are amazingly in your zeal to proof nothing.

in all of your years as humans dont you know that when you are deep in your sleep you are temporarily dead to the world? or are you always conscious when you sleep?

Haven't you heard the christians say 'he died in his sleep"?

that is mini death when you sleep and then you come back to life when you wake up because God allowed you to return to life.


when you die permanently at say age 130 years old, that is dead. then if you believe in the 'Day of Judgment' you will be returned to life for that Event. so will i and every human being, including Jesus, his mother, his fake disciple that was not from the 12, Paul.

imagine Jesus and Paul in this great event.

@Alethea; « #23 on: Yesterday at 12:14:39 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 02:57:05 AM
Alethea and Nuclearboy are here. MashaAllah.
the decision is that i am not a sunni, but a simple muslim. i told you not to put your foot in your mouth, but you don't listen because you do it, each time you open your mouth to speak. hunger does not heighten was not there, which is delusion. i am sure your christian mind will work it out that everyone in england rioting is a muslim.

So which of the "70" or "72" sects of Islam do you belong to?

Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 02:57:05 AM
only if he can write the mother tongue of Jesus this well.
And I guess your god can only understand Arabic.

Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 02:57:05 AM
monotheists christians and jews? are you for real or you have been playing around all the time? Jews in their monotheism rejected Jesus even as a prophet, even though the are expecting return of Elijah, the coming of messiah and the coming of that prophet. the christians in their monotheism say God is Trinity [meaning 3 persons, in the same way triangle is 3 angles; if i am a liar, you are a nuclear science mind, tell me what tri mean except 3], so they say Jesus is God, Holy Ghost without a Name [actually it does not exist except a holy spirit which is Angel Gabriel does exist, ghost does not exist] is God and the Third God is Yahweh. Is this really monotheism, nuclearboy? Omo yoruba nie. Ro nu e jile ko to dami lowun? Aa ma tete ngbo oro ni. Aki ma tete n fesi, tori o mi lati lo ogbon daa daa.
You have started your discombobulated ramblings again. Ghost means Spirit. Confused Abd. . .still repeating your lies about Ruh Qudus even after about a year of my waiting for you to prove from your koran and hadiths that Gabriel is the Holy Spirit. If you show me the word Trinity in the Bible. Then I will explain it to you. On the other hand, the Bible clearly shows from Genesis to Revelation who Jesus is.

Jesus is Lord. Jesus is the Son of God. Jesus is God! I say to you: Unless you believe that Jesus is He, you shall surely perish in your sins. Repent![/Quote]Good morning where ever you are. When you are up to it, my challenge to you is that I will prove from Quran and Sunnah that Malaika Jibril is Ruuh Qudus. You will prove from your Bible that Another Comforter is not a human prophet. You will also prove that Jesus is not human, but 100% God who only pretending to be human, and he is Yahweh, Jehovah or Eli/Ellah as the pretender cried out. You will in effort to do these two will prove that Jesus role included as pretender to die for mankind. I will give you prove from your Bible that you are incorrect in your assertions when I provide proves that evidence that God normally send human prophets to human communities, angels to the prophets and sometimes to individual, but never Himself to human communities, etc, etc, so if the third in the trinity is God, that third will not be another comforter because God will not be sent by God to human community or even prophets. I will prove from your Bible that Jesus is a mere human like every human, and a prophet like every prophet. I will prove that his promised another comforter is the "the prophet" and thats Muhammad [as], unless you have "the prophet" already somewhere in the bible after Jesus? I will also show you that Jesus job that God himself sent him to do as the pretender was completed from the lips of Jesus long before the crucifixion.


Your effort is to disprove my statement that Malaika Jibril is not Ruuh Qudus, which is a mere title among other titles God gave him, as angel messenger.

i want to remind you that if you take this challenge from me and I win over you, inchaAllah, you must enter Islam fully. If Jesus is powerless as he said in your bible, and he is a senior God to another comforter as many christians have argued about Jesus' role and position, the holy spirit which you call another comforter must be such a junior God that he is god because to call him God i pure idolatry. Same condition goes for Jesus son of Mary like all born gods.

set your pace and if you wish a new thread. But make it public because i don't check my emails often enough.

@Frosbel; « #2 on: Yesterday at 03:07:39 PM »
[Quote]Surprise, Surprise, like father like son.[/Quote]the father of son protestant is father catholic.


[Quote]All these Catholic and Orthodox heretics who were not Christians to begin with have now converted to Islam which in many respects is as pagan and false[/Quote]if catholics are not christians, protestants which came from it cant be christian, too.
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[Quote]They are all the same chip of the old block of paganism and idol worship[/Quote]protestant who is in the same trinitarian mess is the new block.

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[Quote]I can see your numerous hang ups. The Adam and Eve were the original copies but when they got compromised, the need of another prototype was apparent

So what were you expecting? God to create and build another full grown man after Adam had said that Eve is source of life; mother of all living?[/Quote]Better prototype would have done the trick; like the son of Abraham who didn't complain about the knife or getting slaughtered kind of prototype. Not the grown man who knew his fate but started to beg. Even after he was forced to it, he complained and blamed God further this time with 'my God, my God, . . . why have You forsaken me?' 'that's a bad prototype if you ask me; worse than the first deficient one you are saying this came to better. The designer is not a perfect designer and can't be call God. God gets it right the first time and there is no error and a do over.



[Quote]Fatwa or Sunnah take a pick, that is where toeing the line hinged on. [/Quote]I am teaching you. don't be a lackey like the disciples that they were corrected by the flaming tongue you label another comforter which is holy ghost/God less that 3 months after a 3 year course ended.



[Quote]Creating one as He did for Adam is out of the question.[/Quote]you boxed God in to a must do as if you control or knows His Intentions. I now tell you that there is no place that God says in your Bible that only children of Israel [the children of Jacob] will be the receivers of and only through them prophets will be raised. that honor goes to Abraham after the covenant, being the father of only son Ishmael before younger brother isaac. if you argue that the honor is transferred to isaac, you will display 2 deficiencies for your God; he is not firm in resolve and you forgot the first son of isaac, esau. if you transfer it to jacob being israel, you will see that he was not a man of honor but very deceitful along with his mother and so were his evil children. Read your Bible because you may come to the conclusion that the bible painted God as unjust.



[Quote]The last Adam or last prototype will adhere to the protocol; Eve the source of life[/Quote]will blaming God be the hallmark of this final prototype? Adam blame God indirectly by focusing on the woman, Jesus directly blame God.



[Quote]Dont confuse die with kill. They are disparate. God did not kill but died for all[/Quote]Who killed God? When God was killed did He not die? When a person dies by being hung, was he not killed? {Allah knows that I do not mean He in any of this; I am simple pointing out the weakness in a make believe story about a make believe weak God. Subhannallah; The Real God is Perfect [without any deficiency].



[Quote]By the way, Dangote does not sweep the floor of his cement factor? I bet you, Dangote wipes his "where the sun dont shine" himself[/Quote]is this what you turn Yahweh to; Jesus wipes himself after using the bathroom, so Yahweh must use the bathroom and do the same thing?



[Quote]Instant messaging and we have a real-time direct texting communication. Whaddya say, hmm?[/Quote]I dont live in Nigeria. my email address is galadimalou@aol.com i may direct you other private address to contact me.

Frosbel; a piece of advise; don't write this long. it is not going to make anyone read your cut and paste stuff.

[Quote]Able to forgive Sins[/Quote]didn't forgive the sin of Judas Iscariot.
this is the opposite of what yourself posted about Abu Bakr [ra] who the messenger [as] gave the news of jannah. Many more people were given the same good news of jannah.

Asma'a bint Abu Bakr [ra] was given this good news for merely using part of her money cloth she tied to her waist to tie the provision of her father and the messenger for Hijra to Madina. See how easy to receive Jannah, unlike killing yourself to give it to who ever believe you kill yourself for him?



[Quote]The miracles were DONE PUBLICLY[/Quote]Imagine splitting the full moon? Can it be done privately or locally, since the split of that full moon will be see by all the part of the world that is sharing that time of night with the place where the miracle was performed? This is the reason the King in the part of India became muslim, right away. He saw it and when the news came to him that a prophet split the moon in such and such night, he said we saw it we will be from his community of believers



[Quote]The Apostle Paul said in Acts 26:25,26 I am not mad, most noble Festus, but speak the words of truth and reason. For the king, before whom I also speak freely, knows these things; for I am convinced that none of these things escapes his attention, since this thing was not done in a corner.[/Quote]only if Paul was an eyewitness. Since he wasn't we have to say it is an unreliable evidence of hearsay.



[Quote]On the day of Pentecost Peter stood up and boldly claimed "Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know" (Acts 2:22). This would have been debunked if it were not true, they would have laughed him out of town.[/Quote]and at the same pentecost, instead of a man appearing as another comforter, it was a tongue of fire; this is a laugh. My debunking your myth. I will soon educate you below.



[Quote]No one, in the early centuries, ever denied His miraculous power.[/Quote]except him denying his own miraculous power when he said 'of my own power, i can do nothing'. now deny that and see if you are christian or a mere big time denier along with it.



[Quote]Jesus and Prophecy
Jesus predicted that the city of Jerusalem would be destroyed. Forty years before it occurred, Jesus gave specifics to its destruction:
Jesus spoke of the temple being destroyed and the manner of its destruction. Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came to Him to show Him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said to them, "Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down" (Matthew 24:1,2). Just as he predicted the Romans came in stripped the gold off the glorious temple and tore down the stones.[/Quote]How about this prediction or prophesy?: Another comforter will come and he will speak only what he hears from God. He will correct your mistakes by it [what are the mistakes; please list them], he will teach you new things [what did he teach them; list them], the will show you thing to come [what did he showed them; list it], the will lead lead you to all truth [what truth; list it] and he will glorify me [how; tell us]?

How about spending 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the earth? Give me 3 days and give me 3 nights [list them].
How about coming back before all the 12 disciples are dead? Has he returned and when or a disciple is still alive, name him.



[Quote]After this he prophesied that they would be led away until a certain time, "they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. Finally Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled (Luke 21:24).
Jesus spoke of his coming death prophetically. Herein lies an enormous amount of prophecy which was beyond human capability to control. 30 of the Old Testament prophecies were fulfilled in one day.[/Quote]with all of that Jesus is short on 3 days and 3 nights. Please count them and i wanna see how you do count [lol].



[Quote]Jesus also predicted the circumstances surrounding His death and who would be involved.[/Quote]Moses did even better; he was accurate since we can not disprove it with something similar to not quiet 3 days and 3 nights of the specific signs of Jesus.



[Quote]The LAST Sign to Israel[/Quote]you are correct in this because right after that God picked from the children of Ibrahim, from the Ismaila branch to talk to all mankind, and just the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

@Ka Kaww!; « #10 on: Today at 09:41:31 PM »
[Quote]^
Sweetnecta, where is the confusion? It is only an ọgbẹri that rants vitriol the way you do. Hey I will indulge you a bit more but stop short of the mud and any trampling

From Genesis 1: 26 through this current dispensation until God knows when, Divinity has its quarters and humanity too has its quarters.

God would not go against His fatwa; shall we say borrowing a lingo you're familiar with.[/Quote]Sunnah of Allah is Sharia on mankind. Sunnah of Muhammad [as] is sharia on believers. Fatwa are from scholars; legal opinions. your using fatwa instead of Sunnah of God is wrong. God didn't change His way, until you bring Jesus into it.



[Quote] God needed a body[/Quote]He could have created one as He did for Adam.,



[Quote]and for the record emphasis is on "a legally obtained body" The upshot of that necessity is Jesus[/Quote]was the body of Adam illegally obtained? how about that of Eve?



[Quote]It is God's prerogative. He can do whatever He wants, wherever He wants, whenever He wants etc. God is not answerable to no one but Himself[/Quote]are there things God will not do? Are there things you will not do; things that do not fit your personality, your age, the person you really are?



[Quote]You really need to start realising that if you want something done right, what do you do; you have to do it yourself.[/Quote]Dangote does not sweep the floor of his cement factor. God wants to minister to Jews and gentiles, He does not come down to do it after He had not done that but raise up prophets. If God wants to kill so that man can be saved if they believe, He will not kill Himself. Further those who engage in killing can argue with Him that He did it first and as obedient servants or what you want to call believers that they are imitating Him or making the killing bigger.

@Nuclearboy; « #65 on: Today at 07:35:47 AM »
[Quote]So much noise about mercy. Yet what we find is that it is your [b]Prostration marks that angels will use to know you[/b] and bring you out of fire. So _[/Quote]you in the sense of hypocrites and others who evil deeds very much outweighs the good deed. but continue to make fun and perchance Allah may shame you when you discover His Power of Mercy covers the muslims and none of them enters hell or suffer in it.


[Quote]1. You will burn in hell[/Quote]some will enter it to be purified.


[Quote]2. Your burning will be so bad that even the mighty angels cannot differentiate between you and say, a Shango worshipper[/Quote]or a christ worshiper. the good news is Allah will then remove those muslims and send them to Paradise [notice i do not say heaven] where the other muslims were all along.


[Quote]3. Which is why you have to harden your head by striking it around till even fire can't burn it[/Quote]you must have a family member who is a muslim; watch if he strikes his head around.


[Quote]4. How do you know when its hard enough to survive hellfire?[/Quote]shorter time than it takes 3 gods to fuse to 1, or if you want shorter time than it takes 1 God to break into 3 gods.


[Quote]5. If its that "Koko" used to know you (by angels), your bits are gone. So is you tummy! So is your back.[/Quote]but you have no remnant left in your case because even when you approach Jesus he will say get away from him because he does not know you.


[Quote]. What will you use to "enjoy" virgins without "bits"?[/Quote]after al of that Allah will restore everything to original. He is unlike your gods who are incapable on a one on one.


[Quote]7. What will you use to drink "rivers of wine"without tummy
8. What will you lay down with when you have no flesh?[/Quote]the answer was already provided; restoration. its easy for Allah to do.


[Quote]Merciful indeed![/Quote]different from heaping the sin of Adam and Eve on you.


[Quote]Seems the guy who wrote those verses was drunk on wine, enjoying a virgin (or 2 or 3) and obviously was in bed he looked around, felt that was the best deal and hey "write that down too".[/Quote]as bad as you concocted your lies, it is better than the sin transfer we read in the bibles. that is pure injustices.

@Joagbaje; « #3 on: Today at 01:16:40 PM »
[Quote]Their are obviously some minor errors in the copying of some verses especially with numerals etc. That doesn't take away the inspiration behind the bible.[/Quote]what a combination of minor errors and inspiration!

@Alethea; ^^^^^^^^ what an irony when there are 2 opposite answers on a single topic, each proving the other to be wrong?

can we have 2 wrongs? yes.
can we have one right and the other wrong? yes.

can we have 2 completely opposite answers disagreeing and both of them right 100% on the subject? impossible.

you cant be chairman and the servant of the same chairman.

^^ The way toba is slow, he needs retaliation before education.

@Alethea; « #23 on: Today at 12:14:39 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 02:57:05 AM
Alethea and Nuclearboy are here. MashaAllah.
the decision is that i am not a sunni, but a simple muslim. i told you not to put your foot in your mouth, but you don't listen because you do it, each time you open your mouth to speak. hunger does not heighten was not there, which is delusion. i am sure your christian mind will work it out that everyone in england rioting is a muslim.

So which of the "70" or "72" sects of Islam do you belong to?[/Quote]the set that says 'muslim' and nothing else. i thought that was easy enough? i see. you are in rage. rage does make people blind. which is your sect in christianity, or you are just christian without nothing else, like what my muslim is?



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 02:57:05 AM
only if he can write the mother tongue of Jesus this well.
And I guess your god can only understand Arabic.[/Quote]this is your answer to the question? You got an F for not even trying because you could have said yes, no or even maybe. As to your question; Allah creates al things including languages of man and others. He revealed Quran in pure arabic. and when He revealed Taurah, it was in the language of Moses. When Sabur was revealed it was the language of David. When Injil was revealed it was the language of Jesus. The language of Jesus is not greek. So what will make you write in greek instead of the mother tongue of Jesus son of Mary?



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 02:57:05 AM
monotheists christians and jews? are you for real or you have been playing around all the time? Jews in their monotheism rejected Jesus even as a prophet, even though the are expecting return of Elijah, the coming of messiah and the coming of that prophet. the christians in their monotheism say God is Trinity [meaning 3 persons, in the same way triangle is 3 angles; if i am a liar, you are a nuclear science mind, tell me what tri mean except 3], so they say Jesus is God, Holy Ghost without a Name [actually it does not exist except a holy spirit which is Angel Gabriel does exist, ghost does not exist] is God and the Third God is Yahweh. Is this really monotheism, nuclearboy? Omo yoruba nie. Ro nu e jile ko to dami lowun? Aa ma tete ngbo oro ni. Aki ma tete n fesi, tori o mi lati lo ogbon daa daa.
You have started your discombobulated ramblings again. Ghost means Spirit.[/Quote]so when Jesus said test the spirit if it from God for many prophets have gone out to the world, Jesus was saying by your statement above about Ghost that 'test the ghost as see if the ghost is from God for many prophets have gone out to the world'? if Ghost is Spirit, what the heck is prophets doing in that sentence if prophet is neither a ghost nor a spirit? Alethea, I am going to enjoy your piece and laugh at you, maybe with you when you respond. I want your answer by morning.



[Quote] Confused Abd. . .[/Quote]i'm an Abd Allah, but not confused. When you can not answer the above, about Ghost and or Spirit being Prophet, then go and see the face of confused man in the mirror. it will staring [back] at you.



[Quote]still repeating your lies about Ruh Qudus even after about a year of my waiting for you to prove from your koran and hadiths that Gabriel is the Holy Spirit.[/Quote]i say Jibril is being the only angel that brought verses of Quran. Allah says it on the pages of Quran. Jibril is also known by other names. But in you dilusion, you can't even give me the name of your own holy spirit if it is true that the holy spirit christian style exist. If I ask you now what is the son you will say Jesus and also is titled Christ. If I ask you whats the name of the father, you will say Yahweh or something similar and titled Jehovah. Whats the name of holy ghost and the title of the holy ghost? I know you will never come out correct. You will always be throwing temper tantrum. you need to go get somebody to nurse you out of that anger. Answer the question, mehn [lol].



[Quote] If you show me the word Trinity in the Bible.[/Quote]i said to you before that the bible was not revealed to any prophet but a make up of what may be revealed to many prophets and personal opinions and ideas of many, Paul is an obvious person with great opinions making up the bible. Torah was revealed to Moses. Sabur to Daud, Injil to Isa bin Maryam.



[Quote] Then I will explain it to you. On the other hand, the Bible clearly shows from Genesis to Revelation who Jesus is.[/Quote]The jews will laugh at you in Jerusalem when you get there and say such a silly thing. They will ask you why was Jesus silent when Yahweh spoke? You will not be able to dispute them when they tell you that it is because Jesus was not there, still an uncreated human who will come out from the loin of Adam.



[Quote]is Lord. Jesus is the Son of God. Jesus is God! I say to you: Unless you believe that Jesus is He, you shall surely perish in your sins. Repent![/Quote]let me perish in my sin if a son is also his own father getting his mother pregnant. It is confusion and definitely immoral.
i missed you though. i hope you have been keeping well. Reading from you make me happy that everything is okay in your worldly life.

Ka Kaww!; « #7 on: Today at 06:31:40 PM »
[Quote]^
Ọgbẹri!
Why dont you tear your clothing to show your horror and shout "Blasphemy!"[/Quote]its your horror and blasphemy. so tear your own cloth if you must, in rage and regret of being in what is wrong. i gave you a reason to discover. if discovery is stranger to you, then dont discover.



[Quote]« #8 on: Today at 06:55:28 PM »

I did not watch the video before but have just finished watching it after submitting that last post

It's only coincidence we used similar phrases but hey Sweetnecta you really do underestimate God

Just because you can't have The President in Aso Rock when he was at the White House at the same time does not mean God cant be in two places; heaven and earth; at the same time. Whaddya say, hmm?[/Quote]God is not the Author of confusion. if you think that concept of being in 2 places at the same time is not confusion enough on a God that before you turned him partially to Jesus on earth, He oversaw and controlled from not being on earth all affairs of earth and heaven and more without any problem; forgiving Adam and Eve and when satan does not repent He made him a loser the more, then protecting Noah and those with him in the ark destroying the rest, send angels to many including the own that wrestled with Jacob which the christian and Jews say is God then making Jacob now Israel being victorious over 'God and man' [stupidity at its glorious doom], destroying pharaoh and his soldiers with stick of Moses the same stick that saved him and those with him. how am i doing so far?

the same God Who destroyed mighty goliath by the hand of little lad David. all of these and more were done without being on earth, suddenly He cant take not being on earth so He came as Jesus, full of ignorance and lacking knowledge when he was with satan who says to him 'all the earth has been given to me', God now being Jesus said nothing to really mean yes, you satan you have everything.

i will not waste time explaining the false premise of the bibles about God and about Jesus [i will let your conscience do the talking]. what i want to say is that the christians top off this confusion with granddaddy of confusion by saying though Mary is not the wife of God, she as virgin has a real baby not a bastard son for God, that son being God who got his own mother pregnant for his own father, himself so that he can die as a son, dragged to be hung after begging himself the father who loved him so much that he ignored himself as a son, so that the heathens, the gentiles will be saved if the Jews even refused to be saved, rendering Moses and his laws, useless.

did you notice the cry on the cross by the father as son asking himself why he now God, not father, not son, not even the docile holy ghost, forsook him? and when you read the bible Jesus finished all of his job and reported it to Yahweh as finishe before he left the dinner table.

THEN CRUCIFIXION took place. Is there a normal human being with a sound mind that will accept all of this as straight forward instead of confusion?

@Islamrules; if you are christian what the muslim brother said you said is a fact among christian who say Jesus was always God, part remained in heaven while the part that came to earth as God died. did you get it? is there any lie in the above? if you are not a christian, no sweat, it is assumed by the brother that you are.



[Quote]« #68 on: Today at 09:03:50 AM »

@Sweetnecta

You already have answers to your questions in the bible. You are just turning it just what this topic is all about.[/Quote]i did not want the 'wrong answer' just because it is labelled as answer.



[Quote]Were you in Israel when these things happened ? Why are you proving bible wrong ?[/Quote]before israel, jacob, even before his father, isaac, there was an only child a male, a first son, ismail [as], born to the Friend of God, ibrahim [as] who was not a jew or a christian, but a hanif, muslim. it is his footsteps that we follow. you know God knows all?



[Quote]The people that experience these events gave their accounts of events and you are proving them wrong as if you were there.[/Quote]God was there and revealed it to Muhammad [as]. i have the truth as it happened in my  Quran.



[Quote]The topic is "Are Muslims Permitted To Lie? " and you have answered the topic. LOL Grin Grin Grin Grin[/Quote]yes i did with truth.



[Quote]Quran is full of lies.

Let me ask you one question, all the prophets the quran and prophet mohammed wrote about, how many of them are arabs ?[/Quote]few that were not isrealites, Adam, Idris, Noah, Salih, Hud, Shuib, Ibrahim, Lot, Ismail, Isaac [as to each]. do your research. And of course Muhammad. Notice that i didnt mention Jacob being israel himself.



[Quote]They are all jews. How can a foreigner come and give a different account from the real events.
Was Mohammed in Israel ? No, he was not even born then, he was in Saudi, an arab land. Thats is what we are talking about "Lies"[/Quote]and when you find out that jew is from judah a brother to the other 11 sons of jacob and the first man Adam was not a jew, i want you to put a cone cap on your head after you write dunce on it.



[Quote]There is nothing an arab/muslim can say about the bible that can be genuine, cuz they were not in Israel when these things happened.
God has changed his word ? God does not lie lol Grin Grin Grin.[/Quote]your case is worse. write an ass on a sticker and stick it on your back with an instruction 'kick me'. what the bible contains are stories; truths and lies about human before the settled on telling stories about themselves; as people and their religion and their selling it to you that they are Gods and children of God and you have no hope except you adopt their generic way or adopt one of them as your lord that will save you. this in essence is that they say to you that you are nothing but dirt, by your tribe and nothing else will elevate you except them. well if you accept their premise, God will show you the truth on the day of no bargaining.



[Quote]Bible is a word of God, quran is not. Quran is just a literature work from mohammed to fight the jews and christians (his sworn enemy). Quran is not even rich enough, if you read gospel literatures from Oyedepo, Jack more, Chris Oyakilome e.t.c. You will even see  that they are richer than quran.[/Quote] three gods. i hear you. 1 speaking, another listen and the third is writing it. i wonder how that tossed salad will come out since there are 3 slicers?



[Quote]Why will I continue reading something that will tell me to hate and kill somebody.[/Quote]and you read the horror stories from the killing fields of Moses and the the intent to kill even subject refusing the rule of the king who brought swords but no peace?



[Quote]I read some hadith about how quran perform miracles just to rival Jesus christ. And later some people proved this hadits to be fake. How come we see different hadiths and fake ones contradicting quran ?[/Quote]did you read where the moon is split, in Surah Qamar, and read the sign of Jesus of 3 days and 3 nights which turns out to be bad calculation, even though he didnt say he will be aive or dead, and since to grave was dug we know the answer there, too.



[Quote]Islam teaches us to obey the quran and hadiths, please, enlighten us.[/Quote]islam teaches us from the Quran to obey God in the way of the messenger by authentic hadith and sunnah.



[Quote]Man listen, God has spoken, his word can not changed. He is the beginning and the end. God connot confuse his people. Confusion comes from the devil who created Islam to plague people of God.[/Quote]the jews use this very argument against the christs. the jews were right. at least they erroneously say Moses practice judaism though he didnt pray at the wailing wall, stuffing the cracks with prayer papers, the christian cant even claim that Jesus is a christian but a prracticing jew they say, even though they are not jews, abandoning the assumed religion of that god.
the truth is that both of you are wrong and need to move to the truth; islam under Muhammad [as]. the good news for you is that you are alive, but when death comes it will really finished.

^^^^^^^ do we have GEJ in Aso Rock when he was at the White House, say the GEJ in Aso Rock is greater so he had to go back to assume the set aside position he left to come to White House? which is a fact now; 2 GEJs or 1 GEJ Who will never be lower in or out of Aso Rock?

is this what christians have turned their Jehovah into, sometimes He is God always if He remain in heaven, but then he is appearing on earth, still the other part is in heaven, he will be less than true God on the earth?

this is sickness of the heart first class. but then, you forgot that you have only proven duality; Full God and not full God, killing trinity. Where is the ghost in all of this; maybe he is floating between Full God in heaven and not full God on earth, like somewhere in the galaxy?



@Ka Kaww!; read the stuff and cry if its what you wrote is not a joke.

@K. c 1; « #2 on: Today at 09:51:10 AM »

[Quote]My dear Reader,

The understanding of the Holy Bible comes only through the inspiration of God ( Jesus christ ).[/Quote]how did Jesus fail as the teacher of the disciples when he was able to speak with audible voice that it too the ghostly spirit to come as a tongue to correct them [what did the ghost correct them from and replace it with?]. teach them, remind them of what Jesus said [but he just left, how terrible a student!], lead them to all truth [what are these that Jesus didnt lead them to before he was lifted up to heaven?] and praise by glorifying Jesus [whats the new praise and glorification that was not already there?]?

if this is the condition of the 12 - 1 disciples, how can you be certain that you fair better without Jesus physically teaching you? You have to be more wrong than the disciples.

by the way, i just grabbed the first line of your post. When Friday prayer is over, I will return to read the rest. if its worth responding to i shall, inchaAllah.

@Frosbel; « #2 on: Today at 02:53:01 PM »
[Quote]Lol, Grin Grin Grin Grin

I just knew that you could not resist this one.

All over Youtube and Internet forums, hundreds of people are coming forward to say they have left Islam and have met Jesus miraculously. But the shocking element to this, is that the Muslims jump on their cases immediately and scream lies lies lies.

I have personally met uncountable people who have left Islam some pastors and personal friends.

Yet Muslims again, show who they worship by LYING AND LYING AND LYING like the Father of Lies.

GOD HELP YOU[/Quote]i have personally met many former pastors, nun, etc who left christianity. including rabbanical students. We must think that the traffic issue on islam is only fro but also to. the fact that people in the west [never mind what others say] are entering islam after 911 is a testament to the truth of Islam. the few who leave like the al azhar former professor is not the end of islam.

Allah says 'those who disbelieve after belief, then return to belief and then disbelieve, then believe and return to disbelief . . . this verse in Surah Nisaa points to 2 things for me;

1]. people may be lukewarm in their commitment, sometimes so much so that they abandon such a faith for something worse like muslim leaving islam [this is disaster on the life of such a person because if he dies as a disbeliever, he will see his reality and it is too late to return].

2]. no one in islam should be arrogant and say he is safe from the plan [makr] of Allah, because Allah is the best of Planners; hence pray to Allah always to have the best plan for you, that your feet are planted firmly in islam, not wavering, because the death of former believer dying in disbelief is the greatest disaster on his soul [no one can feel the heat any head in the body of a dead person to know that he is destined for hell. if this possible those disbelievers after they are embalm will be very hot. i hope you know that the embalming is a punishment on the body?].




[Quote]Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness,but instead expose them[/Quote]I wonder why you have not exposed the christians who says Jesus hung for them when he said long before this hoax that his work was completed, right there at the dinner table? maybe the people had too much wine [his blood] that they didn't hear him, just the same that they were dull students failing right after the master left that the holy ghost had to correct them [part of the work of the another comforter]?
please expose the christian, ask them where is 'that prophet' that neither Jesus nor John is, but expected to come anyhow?
please expose the christian, ask them where is the book of the another comforter and if they say its the holy ghost, where is his book?
please expose the christian, ask them how did the ghost accomplished hearing from God [himself] and talking to disciples [voice to be heard?
please expose the christian, ask them how did the ghost correct mistakes, lead to all truth, teach new things of truth, etc and glorify Jesus?
please expose the christian, ask them how did Jesus accomplished his return to the disciple when no one is alive now and he still being expected?
please expose the christian, ask them how is Jesus son of God and Mary is not wife of God, yet Adam is not son or Eve is not daughter of God?
please expose the christian, ask them how is Jesus God when he says his God is God of all and his Lord is Lord of all and He is One Lord God?
salisuammy (f)



@Salisuammy; Re: An Egyptian Islamic Imam Professor Rejects Islam And Says Jesus Is Lord !
[Quote]« #3 on: Today at 03:12:13 PM »
[Quote]frosbel their problem is ignorance, have u ever seen a christian who wants to kill a muslim convert? there is this ustaz in my place who had direct confrontation with the holy spirit and gave his life to Christ but had to pack and leave because they were threatening to kill him if he doesn't return to their pagan worship. Will u believe that this people make sacrifice every Friday with ram, goat or whatever they can afford? I am an example because my father and uncles nearly killed me because i saw the light(Christ) and my father refused to sponsor me after that but God in his infinite mercies helped me and now am a graduate and my father now asks me for money.[/Quote]Many Christians and non Christians struggled to acquire success with family help. if academic success and or wealth were the hallmark of your Trinity as being True God, what do you say of the success of the mouth of the south CNN founder ted turner who says there is no God? What do you say about Bill Gates of Microsoft who can bankroll nigeria yet he says there is no Hod? What do you say about Dangote who is there with you in Nigeria, a muslim and one of the wealthiest? stop thinking locally.
help frosbel with the above agenda.[/quote]

@Salisuammy; « #57 on: Yesterday at 02:52:29 PM »
[Quote]this maybe the last thing i will say.@ vedaxcool you are recommending stand up comedy so u can kill him( boko haram like you)
sweetnecta what am trying to say is that u people are hypocrites who are only holy during ramadan. have u ever heard a pastor preaching to his congregation to be holy only during fasting? No, but u so called imams preach on every station telling u people to be holy and do good in the ramadan period, so tell me now what does this mean? Simple, that u can go back to your evil ways immediately after your useless ramadan. I know muslims who break fast and start smoking or looking for women immediately. BUT KNOW THAT THE LAST DAY WILL TELL but my pain is that it will BE TOO LATE FOR YOU PEOPLE TO REPENT[/Quote]while islam more than just men. smoking and looking for women are also forbidden in christianity. yet many christians do them, like the muslims you mentioned.

the problem with you is that you know that if the pastor preaches all week long, and all year round, the christians will only show up in 3 occasions; easter, christmas and new year. all of these are 3 or just fews days more. a persons who is contrive 1 month in a year has better conscience than the one who just shows up for head count for 3 days or so in a year. if death takes each of them at these times, Allah has blessed the muslim because he dropped ever filth he used to do. Olorun Oba ka ishe rere mo lo wo niyen.

humans are weak and Allah forgive in full Mercy and looks at the heart and sincerity of effort.

how was your islam before you journeyed to christianity a religion that borrow just the name of Jesus without he being a member?

sisi, Jesus finished his job that his Master, God Almighty sent him to do, long before crucifixion.check your bible, he said it and if you dont see it, then tell me because i will get it for you.

o je pada si islam ko jawo kuro ni nu apon tio yo.

to ba fere si nbori, ma wa oko gidi fun e. Lagbara Olorun.

nuclearboy forgets the jews will kill him in a heartbeat. and he will kill the disbeliever idol worshiper as he refers to the catholics,


Olorun mo number flat e.

and he will kill muslim in less time to blink the eyes.

Alethea and Nuclearboy are here. MashaAllah.

[Quote] Re: Violent Christians,"turn-the-cheek" Pretenders Burning London And Other Cities
« #14 on: Yesterday at 04:12:46 PM »

. . .it is Ramadhan again and the wrongly-guided ones are at it as they do during this month when the delusions are heightened by hunger. Really? So it's Christians that are rioting in London? Tell us another one. Between LagosShia and Sweetnecta; have you guys decided which of you is the real Muslim and which is apostate?[/Quote]the decision is that i am not a sunni, but a simple muslim. i told you not to put your foot in your mouth, but you don't listen because you do it, each time you open your mouth to speak. hunger does not heighten was not there, which is delusion. i am sure your christian mind will work it out that everyone in england rioting is a muslim.



[Quote]Ὁ Λόγος πλήρης χάριτος καὶ ἀληθείας[/Quote]only if he can write the mother tongue of Jesus this well.



[Quote]nuclearboy (m)« #15 on: Yesterday at 04:24:00 PM »

^^ for now, they are still both Muslim.

But when they have killed all "infidels", they will turn on each other.[/Quote]with all your nuclear knowledge, you don't know that the bold is only in your bible?



[Quote]First atheists, then pantheists, then [b]monotheists (Christians and Jews)[/b]j finally themselves - that is the testimony of history[/Quote]monotheists christians and jews? are you for real or you have been playing around all the time? Jews in their monotheism rejected Jesus even as a prophet, even though the are expecting return of Elijah, the coming of messiah and the coming of that prophet. the christians in their monotheism say God is Trinity [meaning 3 persons, in the same way triangle is 3 angles; if i am a liar, you are a nuclear science mind, tell me what tri mean except 3], so they say Jesus is God, Holy Ghost without a Name [actually it does not exist except a holy spirit which is Angel Gabriel does exist, ghost does not exist] is God and the Third God is Yahweh. Is this really monotheism, nuclearboy? Omo yoruba nie. Ro nu e jile ko to dami lowun? Aa ma tete ngbo oro ni. Aki ma tete n fesi, tori o mi lati lo ogbon daa daa.

@Frosbel; your speaker on the video forgot that even the Jews say the God is not the father of no one? Jesus himself referred to Yahweh as Ellah or Eli in many places as his Lord God Who is One. The God Lord of every jew that listened to Jesus.

from the Jewish knowledge of God, they disagree with what the speaker said about God in relationship with Jesus being he was a child of Mary. please go to the Jews and they will tell you that God alone not 'them' created man. no one helped God, especially Jesus was no help, being part of the creation. not even the angels helped.

judaism.about.com/od/orthodoxfaqenkin/f/ourimage.htm - Cached
. . . God merely wanted to allow the angels to feel special and a "part of the program."

So too, we should humble ourselves once in a while in order to make others feel that they and their feelings are important and meaningful.

Note: The verses continue with: "and He created man", not "and they created".

Rabbi Ari Enkin
Ramat Beit Shemesh, Israel

go to any Jewish literature, they believe that God alone and no one else created humans. so that killed the issue of Jesus.

but the christians themselves killed Trinity if they argue Jesus was with God. so they need to develop another God concept which will be 2 Gods and forget trinity where there are 3.

son of God; thats a tall order if not a tall tale, because the Jews believe that they are even Gods, each of then being God.


we must notice that when God was reported to create, He did it all by Himself, alone [i wonder who told the world about the whole story; God or who exactly because it is not clear?], and when God spoke, no one, not even the angel answered or said a word. Jesus and Holy Ghost silence is an indication that neither was there. obviously Jesus spoke on earth, aggressively too. it will be difficult to accept the word was completely silent in heaven! that is if the word was there before word was spoken.

and if we asked if the son's mother is the wife of the father, silence will follow. i see a pattern developing; keep quite when there is no truth.

^^^^^^^^^^^^ by yommyuk's account lies have become guiding light. i wonder what 'as the world turns' is?

oh. God is not the Author of confusion.

but yommyuk is.

@Yommyuk; [Quote]Yes, Human sacrifice God abhors. Do you know why?[/Quote]this is the position of God from the beginning. hopefully He will not change His position for the killing of Jesus. or did He?



[Quote]Human blood on its own is full of sin. That is why those who use human blood for ritual purposes always suffer evil consequences. But the "Blood of Jesus" had no sin in it. The blood of Jesus was innocent and pure.

Example: when an armed robber is executed (lets say by firing squard), the blood shed from such body is justified. Meaning those who carried out the death sentence are free from God's judgement. However, if they are innocent, such blood will be a curse on the land on which it was shed. That is the reason why countries like the UK don't carried out the death penalty.[/Quote]what i got from the bold[s] is that Jesus and his blood are innocent and when shed it makes Israel a place cursed. i'm i correct so far because nothing good comes out of Israel now; yet the tomb of Jesus is there, i guess cursed, too. have i followed your thinking so far?



[QuoteNow, I will implore u to open your brain and take this in.

Applying the above illustration of the innocent and guilty armed robber, l feed you with, read on[quote][/Quote]i already opened my brain and i will apply the above to the below.



[Quote]Deut 21:22-23
If someone has committed a crime worthy of death and is executed and hung on a tree, the body must not remain hanging from the tree overnight. You must bury the body that same day, for anyone who is hung is cursed in the sight of God ,[/Quote]did Jesus commit any sin? or crime? was he hung overnight? each of them has a no for its answer. this is my understanding from your bible, the reason you and i will say by your logic above that bible says israel is cursed forever.



[Quote]We are all sinners and my bible tells me in Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord”[/Quote]while i will in normal situation refuse to listen to anyone else in NT apart from Jeus, i see that Jesus was silent and Paul taught us about our sinfulness, playing the role of another comforter, i guess. but every christian will deny him this position but will give it to the holy ghost that does nothing at all.



[Quote]I have received Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior, therefore Galatians 3:13-14 is my portion

But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrong doing, For it is written in the Scriptures, “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree”[/Quote]this is so lame and wrong that i have shake my head, after i opened my brain that this garbage is what you are feeding me. you ought to be ashamed of this uneducated thinking. how is Jusus you the guilty party from yoruba land? tabi yomi ko loruko e ni? the law is for Jews and every jew knows that the guilty party get punished. You are not a Jew, so from your tribe, yoruba tradition covers you. by religion, this is a Jewish religion thinking and you are not a Jew or are you? from morality viewpoint, the innocent should not suffer for the guilty. even george bush knew that will all his half baked thinking [cheney is that half], the reason they attached Afghanistan instead of Saudi Arabia or Egypt. and when they attacked Iraq the whole world protested in spite of their lies using colin powell to pull it off.



[Quote]Through Jesus Christ, God HAS blessed the Gentiles (Christians) with the same blessing of Abraham, so that we who are believers might receive the promised Holy Spirit thru faith (Amen)[/Quote]this is a joke because according to the bible OT and NT, Jews by tribal traditions is blessed. Jesus came for the Jews and within the tradition, and was not a christian. no sir, he was not a christian and therefore christians and or gentiles can not be blessed through him. go back to the drawing board with a better plan.



[Quote]Unto you who have not accepted CHRIST as your lord and Saviour that curse still remains.[/Quote]Alhamdulillah i am not a jew, so there is no worries for me. maybe the jews are shaking under their cloth, i am not.



[Quote] Until you soften that your PHARAOHIC heart and accept Christ into your life, that annual “Ileya” meat that you are depending on will not save you from God’s judgement. Because, not accepting Christ is a divine sin.[/Quote]Alhamdullah, no muslim has 'pharaohic' heart. pharaoh of Meses, we send curse to him as we send the satan. Ileya meat is not a think that depend on alone. we slaughter because it is commanded on us by the action of Ibrahim on his son Ismail [as to both of them]. i know if it was isaac, you guys will be slaughtering because you kill for the birth of Jesus, though wrong time, how much more saving the life of little isaac?



[Quote]Psalms 51:16
“You do not desire a sacrifice or I would offer one. You do not want a burn offering.”

But what sacrifice does God desire?

Psalms 51:17
The sacrifice you desire is a broken spirit. You will not reject a broken and a repentant heart. O God.[/Quote]how does this explain the killing of innocent man Jesus? And you asked me to open my brain. what for, really?



[Quote]Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani ---- “My God, my God, why have you abandoned me?”[/Quote]where is my in the Eli? then where is God in the Eli? remember you can't get my God, or my father, or my partner, or Yahweh, or Jehovah in the simple word; ELI. but it sounds like Allah in a different language that what is spoken by people of Makka.



[Quote]Enough said. Cool[/Quote]Zero is now enough?