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@Frosbel: « #33 on: Today at 10:49:31 PM »
[Quote]The transliterated phrase from Arabic reads, "La ilaha illAllah." A word for word translation into English would read: La [no] ilaha [god] ill [except or but] Allah [Allah].

The important thing to note is that the word "Allah" is a name and is not the word for god. If "Allah" were the word for god, then the phrase would read, "there is no allah but allah. Clearly it does not. The Qur'an itself claims that Allah is the personal name of the Islamic god: (Qur'an 17:110) "Say, Call Him Allah or call Him Ar-Rahman; whatever the name you call Him, all His names are beautiful."


If "Allah" were the word for god, then Islam's god is nameless. There is also no evidence that the word "Allah" is a contraction of the words "al ilah," which means, "the god." If it were, then again, the phrase would read, "there is no allah but allah." As part of the first "Pillar of Islam," this issue is critical as Islam claims that the God of the Bible (whose name is Yahweh) and Allah are one in the same and that we all, therefore, worship the same god.[/Quote]If you read Arabic it would have been an evidence against you. So your ignorance in your effort to become an arabic language scholar so that you may make Islam look bad is pitiful.

There are nigerians and many millions of people who are masters of Arabic language, each has taken his knowledge from Quranic Arabic. Is Al Illah not The God? The Yahweh is not Jehovah, Ellah the word that you said mentioned, regretting or complaining.

All arabic speakers, Christians, jews and others and not only Muslims agree that Allah is the Personal Name of The 1 Creator Who has no partner, while the christians say Yahweh, Jehovah or whatever you wanna call your god who resides between heavens you said dohave partners in your Trinity.

Joke all you want, davidylan. It wil not change a thing; That verse covers Jesus practicing Torah of Moses which means it is not permissible to abolish it. [read the Bible]

That verse also covers additional refining which Jesus brought the miracles he performed, the miracles along confounded you enough that you took him as God.

That verse covers the details of the Another Comforter.

If Jesus had any responsibility apart from confirming the legacy of previous prophets, their books and laws, is own book as additional, on the same line, with information that not all things are matters of revenge and telling you that the one who will lead to all truth is coming, to correct, to reconfirm him as a messenger to the children of Israel, etc, hearing from God what he will speak to people, please let us know.

If you know, there is no shame in sharing.


What did the another comforter say to the disciples?

What did he correct them on that they were doing wrong? Is this not what Jesus said the another comforter will do? Please show us. We will not laugh like you, but gladly study it and examine it.

What leading to all truth did the ghost whose voice no one can hear accomplish?



I read what did. Is he the another comforter, because he pretty much revolutionized what Jesus said, changing it, setting it over its head?

@Kumatomo: Salaamualaykum wa Rahmatulah. Umar [ra] didn't start congregational Tarawih prayer, The Messenger [as] did. Umar simply kept it going, uniting the Muslims as one Ummah.

Did Ali ibn Abi Talib [ra] made congregational Tarawih? Of course. But can make your own at home, which is what I do because there is no masjid near my home.


@Karbala; As sSalaamualaykum wa Rahmatullah.
[Quote]1.) it is bid'ah and forbidden.[/Quote]It is not bidah or forbidden. Muhammad [as] led Muslims for 3 nights and stopped fearing that it will be seen as compulsory. How did the Muslim ever knew about it if the Messenger [as] didn't bring it?


[Quote].) the Prophet (sa) and the 12 Imams (as) never prayed Taraweeh in congregation.[/Quote]The Messenger [as] who is the most important person who ever walked the face of the earth and the one everyone else must imitate made congregational Tarawih for 3 consecutive nights. And then stopped, for the reason of making it look like fard.


[Quote].) all nawafil (supplementary prayers) including during the holy month of Ramadhan were ordered by the Prophet (sa) to be prayed individually and at home.[/Quote]Did the prophet lead the muslims in salah of the eclipse? Is that not a nawafil?


[Quote]4.) the word "TARAWEEH" was never mentioned by the Prophet (sa) and not mentioned in the Holy Quran.[/Quote]This is not a good excuse and i will research the word as to its mentioning or not by the messenger [as]. I know that stoning is not mentioned in the Quran, directly, but the shia and everyone agree its a law. Making a lot of Ibadat night and day during Ramadhan could actually covers this, as even ibadat at night in ordinary month is mentioned on Muhammad [as] in the Quran, and it is sunnah that is number 1, and every other persons will have to draw from this, and Umar [ra] did. But you make Tarawih, even at home, alone? So if it is yes, how do you get to making tarawih?


[Quote]5.) it was Umar Ibn Al-Khattab,the 2nd Sunni caliph,that ordered for congregational nawafil prayer during Ramadhan.[/Quote]But tarawih in the month of Ramadhan was a known thing, even if you do it in your home, as individual? This is an evidence against the statement that the word was not mentioned by the messenger [as]. Incidentally, the lion, Ali bin AbiTalib was in the community and did not go against this bidah. why? Ali was not known to be shy. Or there was no bidah but a revival and keeping sunnah going, unforgotten?


[Quote]6.) his order violates the instruction of the Prophet (sa) that nawafil should not be offered in congregation.only obligatory prayers are to be offered in congregation.[/Quote]The presence of Ali bin AbiTalib [ra] speaks completely against this opinion of yours.


[Quote]7.) Umar calls nawafil in congregation during Ramadhan an "excellent bid'ah".[/Quote]Ali bin AbiTalib did not say anything and allowed the community to engross itself and adopted a bid'ah passed on when they disallowed a bid'ah of making tesbir in congregation as Abdullah ibn Mas'ud [ra] disallowed the people doing it. Muhammad [as] did not lead a people incompetent like the christians make us see how incompetent the disciples of Jesus of the Bible were that the ghost had to correct them mere weeks Jesus was lifted to heaven.


[Quote]8.) Imam Ali (as) asked his son Imam Hassan (as) to chase people out of the masjid who were offering nawafil in congregation.[/Quote]Did Ali AbiTalib [ra] not confront Umar Khattab [ra]? Why, considering that this was not a shy man, who spoke up each time he had, including when the issue of the Persian Princess arose about who she may marry?


[Quote]9.) Sunni books and hadiths accept that nawafil are to be offered not in congregation.[/Quote]I wonder what happened to the first 3 days of the messenger or he [as] didn't lead his community at all?


[Quote]10.) Sunnis scholars hold the view that taraweeh is a bid'ah.[/Quote]While i will not say I am a sunni, i not a shia either and dislike the hyphenation of Islam or Muslim. But I will make tarawih in congregation if i can because the messenger made it at least the first 3 night and that is strong enough evident. see below:


a}. Both al-Bukhaari (1129) and Muslim (761) narrated from ‘Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) prayed one night in the mosque, and the people followed him in prayer. Then he prayed the next night, and many people came. Then they gathered on the third or fourth night, and the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) did not come out to them. The next morning he said: “I saw what you did, and nothing kept me from coming out to you except the fact that I feared that it would be made obligatory for you.” And that was in Ramadan


b}. It was narrated in al-Saheehayn from ‘Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) would forgo doing something that he liked to do lest the people do it and it become obligatory upon them. (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1060; Muslim, Salaat al-Musaafireen, 1174).

al-Bukhaari (2010) narrated that ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn ‘Abd al-Qaari said: I went out with ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allah be pleased with him) to the mosque one night in Ramadan, and the people were scattered, each man praying by himself. Some men would pray and have groups of people behind them following them. ‘Umar said: “I think that if I unite all these people with one reader, it will be better. Then he resolved to gather them behind Ubayy ibn Ka’b.

al-Haafiz said: Ibn al-Teen and others said that ‘Umar based this decision on the Prophet’s approval of those who prayed with him on those nights. Although he disliked that for them, that was based on the fear that it might be made obligatory for them. When the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) died, there was no longer any fear of that happening, and ‘Umar thought, because of the potential division that might arise from people praying separately, and because uniting them behind one reader is more motivating for many people. The majority agreed with ‘Umar’s decision. End quote from Fath al-Baari.

@Overhaul; « #28 on: Today at 10:33:17 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 10:18:27 PM
@Overhaul: « #21 on: Today at 10:01:11 PM »Start with the accusation of Jeremiah on the Scribes and their lying pen.

The go to www.leveltruth.com

Thank you but no thank you. I'll pass the accusation of Jeremiah on the Scribes and their lying pen and www.leveltruth.com offer,
considering I suppose you believe the plaintiff is without any shred of blame on these or similar issues and is holier than the defendant[/Quote]Suit yourself. You want proof. That was a proof. A beginning for you to discover the hidden treasures.

I wonder how sincere you were when you asked?


@Davidylan: Surah As Saf 61 verse 6:
And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad." But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, "This is obvious magic."

@Davidylan: « #24 on: Today at 10:16:06 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 10:13:54 PM
I thought Yahweh or Jehovah sent Old Testament down to Moses, from it lies the 10 Commandments? But Jeremiah says how can we be wise [meaning they are foolish] the pen of the scribes have lied [doctoring Old Testament]? Further it is the same OT laws and Prophets that Jesus said must not be abolished, and I am certain you have abolished one of the 10 Commandments because Paul told you that the one you have abolished has been nailed on the cross along with the accursed soul of Jesus, freeing you from all the laws? Tell us how the OT and NT sent to Yahweh's elects are not bastardized by the lying pen of Paul?

but i thot lagoshia said the injeel was preserved in the quran. Where is it?  Grin did the pen of the scribes get there too?[/Quote]Surah Saffa verse 6. Read it.



@frosbel (m) « #25 on: Today at 10:17:41 PM »
[Quote]Fellow TRUE Christians,[/Quote]I am certain Jesus son of Mary is not a member of this group. Guaranteed. Yet you have a religion different from the one you claim to follow? What was his religion? What was the religion of Abraham? What was the religion of Noah? Do they have different religions?



[Quote]There is always more that can be said to refute the claims of a Muslim in a debate, and the unfortunate reality is that to refute an unfounded claim takes 50 times more work than it takes for the other side to regurgitate mantra. Of course, once you do, they simply change the subject and/or attack you, your beliefs, and/or your country.

You can't blame them. They obviously have no basis for their beliefs other than they are told this is what they are to believe. And since they are creatures of thoughtless obedience, they have no abilities nor desire to use rational thought and logic to formulate a response on their own. Therefore they have no choice but to change the subject once you refute the lines that they have in their script.[/Quote]The video posted before has a different opinion. If you didn't see it, here is it, again:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMi_-xqhBYw&feature=related



[Quote]The message in the Qur'an is in every way in direct opposition to Yahweh's Scripture, the most glaring of which is the fact that Yahweh's description of Heaven is simply existing with Him, and Hell is simply existing separated from Him. In Islam, Heaven is obviously defined as something rather embarrassing and morally depraved. But that is nothing compared to the stark contrast of Hell. Islam graphically depicts Hell as consisting of eternal physical torture that is personally metered out by Allah![/Quote]If you mean Yahweh's scripture is The Bible, please tell me the name of the prophet it was given? I wonder if the writer knows that there are 7 heavens? Which one of them Yahweh resides, since he needed rest on sabbath?



[Quote]The reasons why there is so much of the Torah and Gospels in the Qur'an is that Muhammad was woefully mentally incapable of contriving the religious base that he needed to pull off his scheme, so he had to pay Rabbis to get the background and foundations he required to pull off his business plan to gain power, money, and sex. This information comes directly from Islam's own scriptures, by the way.[/Quote]And no rabbi used this woeful allegation against him as he corrected them and told both Jews and Christians along with the pagans that Islam is the only way? You know the jews will tell on you in the appropriate time as they did on Yasser Arafat? Why didn't the jews release this secret to the pagan Arabs to use it against Muhammad [as]? And what Islamic source are you referring to? Allegation without proof is different from facts that Muslims draw out of the Bibles.

@Overhaul: « #21 on: Today at 10:01:11 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: LagosShia on Today at 09:23:32 PM
the issue is not begging on the question on whether it is the same or not. the point being made is about the christian hanky-panky and their tampering of the bible which happens even in modern times and up to our day.

as for whether they refer to the same God,we only believe in One God who is the God of all including Jesus (as).this is what the Holy Quran has to say:

(2:136) Say, [O believers], "We have believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."

So what exactly was the hanky panky. I suppose the muslims are squeaky clean with their koran verses. It has no hanky pankies or inconsistencies? I wouldnt blame the accused party, if the case was, they were trying to dissociate and keep a wide berth from what had become of the name the other party took on from them[/Quote]Start with the accusation of Jeremiah on the Scribes and their lying pen.

The go to www.leveltruth.com

@davidylan:
[Quote]« #12 on: Today at 09:39:08 PM »
Quote from: LagosShia on Today at 09:28:34 PM
is it that hard to reason?
we do because islam is universal religion that guides people and save them from the pit of disbelief.

But then allah then went ahead and created christianity that became much bigger and more powerful than the alleged "universal religion"? So is this "universal religion" idea the reason you are desperate to spread islam by sword and force?[/Quote]Allah did not create christianity. Jesus did not even create christianity. Allah Who sent Jesus, Jesus who was sent by Allah, neither created christianity. Ask Paul. He will tell you. The people of Antioch gave you the name, unless they are the ones who sent Jesus you human god?

Some day in the past, Islam of Muhammad [as] was just him, before his wife Khadija [ra] joined him later that day. Judaism was millions of people at that time and Christianity was already more than it. This was in 610. This many years christianity has ahead of islam of Muhammad. InchaAllah in less that 300 years from now, Christianity will be overran by Islam in the numbers of the adherents. There will not be a rapture and if you are capable to stick around, you will see the dust on the face of Christianity, left behind. below is a proof;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMi_-xqhBYw&feature=related




[Quote]Quote from: LagosShia on Today at 09:28:34 PM
christians actually have opened the Quran to make ridiculous claims and to the extent of even trying to twist Quranic verses to justify the pagan trinity for instance.

none has opened it to prove Christ is real to them though right?  Grin None open it to prove that Solomon existed right? None opens it to force Jesus Christ into it right?[/Quote]The post that opened the threads of Itistrue guy does.




[Quote]Quote from: LagosShia on Today at 09:28:34 PM
in reality christians do not need to open the Quran to justify Jesus (as),because the Quran does confirm Jesus all but from a different angle.

it doesnt. to be frank the quran has nothing on Jesus that isnt found in the bible. Infact we constantly see muslims rushing to grab a bible to fill in the gaps on Jesus and the "prophets that the quran missed out.[/Quote]How about a messenger of Allah and He gave me Book and wisdom, and has made me not a burden on my mother. Peace is the day I was born, peace is the day i will die. And peace is the day I will be be raised up for Judgment? How about Speaking as a baby in the cradle to defend his mother. Please show me these two in the Bibles, but they are in Surah Maryam, if you need to know.




[Quote]Quote from: LagosShia on Today at 09:28:34 PM
infact Jesus himself never wrote anything.it was those who "heard him" and preserved his teachings and the inspired words given to him that twisted things .they added and subtracted to his words and made a cocktail of all colors.

But i thought allah sent down the injeel through Jesus? Which is it islamist?  Grin[/Quote]I thought Yahweh or Jehovah sent Old Testament down to Moses, from it lies the 10 Commandments? But Jeremiah says how can we be wise [meaning they are foolish] the pen of the scribes have lied [doctoring Old Testament]? Further it is the same OT laws and Prophets that Jesus said must not be abolished, and I am certain you have abolished one of the 10 Commandments because Paul told you that the one you have abolished has been nailed on the cross along with the accursed soul of Jesus, freeing you from all the laws? Tell us how the OT and NT sent to Yahweh's elects are not bastardized by the lying pen of Paul?

Finally, I got an idea about davidylan; he is probably a recording [computer or something], because he post the same lousy statement with the silly grin, everywhere and every time muslim brings out some truth in the Bible that you can verify because Quran says so and it definitely made sense. Take a look at the below and you will find many like that from him, if you check his posts;

« #5 on: Today at 09:07:10 PM »

Quote from: LagosShia on Today at 08:03:51 PM
What is His Name? by Ahmad Deedat

THIS WILL SHOCK YOU CHRISTIANS (HIS NAME IS ALLAH EVEN IN THE BIBLE!):

http://www.islamawareness.net/Allah/wihn.html

WARNING:
Missionaries are prone to distorting and misquoting verses and deliberately mistranslating them.they have perfected the art with the bible so they tend to do that with every other book out there!So please verify all the verses they quote and check the references they present.

struggling to force allah into the bible again arent we?  Grin this bible (that allah claims is corrupt by the way) must be real important to islam with the rate the strive to force themselves into it.


Since Jesus on the cross as reported by the Bible said "Ellah" by his not arabic but another semitic accent, one should wonder why he didn't say Yahweh, or Adonia, or El Shadai, or Jehovah?

@Itistrue; « #18 on: Today at 07:12:45 PM »
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Muhammad looked into another person's house and saw his daughter-in-law undressed. "Admiration for her entered (his) heart", but there was a terrible problem, she was his daughter-in-law, the wife of his adopted son. Then Muhammad claimed that God had saved him from this problem. First he said that God had cancelled all adoptions.

(N)either has He made your adopted sons your sons in fact. (Qur'an 33:4, Arberry)

This meant that Zayd was no longer Muhammad's son and that Zaynab was no longer his daughter-in-law. Then he said that God had given Zaynab to him.

So when Zaid had accomplished what he would of her (divorced her), then We gave her in marriage to you (Muhammad). (Qur'an 33:37, Arberry)[/Quote]So the anger against Muhammad [as] is that adoption was cancelled and he married the wife of the man who used to be his son when adoption was acceptable? If this is the problem, are we saying that adoption is a real family, why do we describe it or qualify it as adoption then? If marrying a wife that was once married before how do you eliminate over population of single people, who actually want to get marry? When a thing is forbidden, becomes forbidden. If it is permissible, you can not forbid it. The Bible relates a story of brothers passing a woman around between them, one after the other and no one of them wants to get her pregnant. Who is closer in true God's ordained relationship; blood brothers or adopted father and son?




[Quote]Judah was deceived into intimate relations with his daughter-in-law, Muhammad was not. The fact that Muhammad and Zaynab eventually got married does not justify this event, and adoption is not an evil institution that needs to be abolished.[/Quote]imagine if Judah was a woman and she picked up a John who happens to be her son in law? Imagine if Muhammad was an old woman whose former adopted daughter's ex husband marry? Judah will still be a pig and Muhammad will be call up to date. The up to date is happening in America; the older woman is called a Cougar. If she is a younger woman with an old man, she is a kitten. What Muhammad did is legal. And I supported Film Maker Woody Allen [a jew; a person from the people who holds the key to the salvation of christians] married Sun Yii, the adopted daughter of his wife; Mia Farrow who has never seen a sugar daddy she didn't want.




[Quote]The fact is Muhammad looked into another person's house and saw a woman undressed. This lead to "revelations" that allowed him to fulfil his desire and take her to be his wife. Be honest, Muhammad is making up revelations to suit his own desires. If anyone else had such revelations we would rightly reject them as false, but when Muhammad has these revelations Islamic leaders tell us it is a miracle of God.[/Quote]How do you explain the revelation of Surah Abasa and even verses that threatened him, Allah saying his life would have been cut short and his punishment would have been doubled?




[Quote]DAUGHTERS SEDUCE THEIR FATHER
Read Genesis 19, verses 30 to the end and mark again in "red" the words and phrases deserving this honour (of being censored). Do not hesitate and procrastinate. , To continue: the "history" has it that, night after night, the daughters of Lot seduced their drunken father with the noble (?) motive of preserving their father's "seed". , No decent reader can read the seduction of Lot to his mother, sister or daughter, not even to his fiancee if she is a chaste and moral woman. Yet you will come across perverted people who will gorge this filth. Tastes can be cultivated! (Ahmed Deedat, Is the Bible God's Word, ch. 8, p. 50)

Deedat refers to the incident of Lot's daughters having intimate relations with their father. His conclusion is that the Bible is a filthy book, a bad example, and unworthy to be called the Word of God. Deedat's comments are wrong for the following reasons.

The Bible records what humans are like - and we are sinful. Lot and his daughters sinned and it is not wrong to record that this happened. The Bible is clear that Lot's actions are not an example for us to follow.

No one is to approach any close relative to have intimate relations. (Leviticus 18:6, NIV)

Do not have intimate relations with both a woman and her daughter. (Leviticus 18:17, NIV)

However, for many Muslims there is another problem with what the Bible says. Muslims consider Lot to be a prophet and that prophets do not sin. Therefore to say that a prophet behaved this way is unacceptable.[/Quote]It is your Bibles that say these things about your Biblical prophets. Don't blame Muslims for your lies that Quran exposes, correct you we do. We do not accuse any prophet in the Quran.




[Quote]However, the Qur'an and Sunnah also record that the prophets sinned seriously. For instance, it says that Adam was the first idolater.
[.Quote]I want to see this verse. Hopefully the Christian wrote it somewhere, below?




[Quote]It is He who created you out of one living soul (Adam), and made of him his spouse that he might rest in her.[/Quote]This is the end of the story of Adam and Eve, giving us our source of existence, how we came to being.




[Quote]Then, when he covered her, she bore a light burden and passed by with it; but when it became heavy they cried to God their Lord, "If Thou givest us a righteous son, we indeed shall be of the thankful." Thereafter, when He gave them a righteous son, they assigned Him associates in that He had given them; but God is high exalted above that they associate. (Qur'an 7:189-190, Arberry[/Quote]This is about the disbelieving Arabs who disliked daughters and their gods are mostly males. It has nothing to do with Adam and Eve because there was no idolatry until human became populated again after the flood of Noah. The first person carved as idols because of their piety were listed on the pages of Quran. The story of the idolator Makkans are from 183 to 193 and not just the isolated 2 verses that are the core of your deceit.Read the Quran.




[Quote]Muhammad also sinned this way in the famous event of the Satanic Verses. One day when Muhammad was reciting Sura 53 he recited these words to his tribe:

Have you thought of al-Lat and al-Uzza and Manat, the third , these are the exalted Gharaniq (a high flying bird) whose intercession is approved. (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah, pp. 165-166)
Al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat were some of the local idols worshiped in Mecca. Previously Muhammad had spoken against them in his monotheist preaching but now he recited that their "intercession is approved". When Muhammad's tribe heard what he had said they accepted him as a prophet.[/Quote]No where in Quranic history that this was expressed as a thing possible. The abrogated verses were all left in the Quran. Why not this one? The effort to rubbish Quran as Bibles are rubbished will not work. Quran is in the original language and no time do we have that Abu Lahab accepted Islam, because taking Muhammad as a prophet meaning accepting islam.

Surah Taba Tiyada [111] was about Abu Lahab never to accept islam and dies as a pagan, though the messenger was his nephew. Abu Jahal was never recorded to have been happy about Muhammad or accepted Islam upon the beginning of this noble religion in Makka. If this verse had been revealed, all the Muslims who migrated to Ethiopia would have returned. What we know was that there was no happy time for those who accepted islam in Makka until the victory return to her after almost 10 years in Madina, at the tail end of the life of Muhammad [as], suffering almost the 23 years from the hatred of the Makkans.




[Quote]Then Gabriel came to the apostle and said, "What have you done, Muhammad? You have read to these people something I did not bring you from God and you have said what He did not say to you." (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah, p. 166)[/Quote]Was this after had threatened him to cut off his life and give him double punishment or before? If it was before, Allah did not relate the story as one of his short comings as He did of the "frowning or turning the face". If it is after He was threatened, Allah did not cut off his life and gave him double punishment, instead He praised him as the only Messenger to all mankind [Surah A'raf], a means of mercy and forgiveness [Surah Tauba, second to the last verse], raised to highest esteem and mentioning [Surah Alam Nashri ka], all mankind should call blessing of Allah on him if mankind knows whats good for themselves [Surah Azhab]. I just have to stop here, because my time is precious.




[Quote]Then Muhammad confessed his sin.
I ascribed to Allah, what He had not said. (Ibn Sa'd, Kitab Al-Tabaqat Al-Kabir, vol. 1, p. 237)
I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken. (Al-Tabari, The History of Al-Tabari, vol. vi, p. 111)
[/Quote]The lies on Muhammad is a book. Please pick it up and know that unlike Biblical prophets, no Islamic prophet will say the thing he had not been ordained to say. This statement that i just made is from Allah on the pages of the Quran. Allah is talking about the lies of Christians on Jesus. I am sure if Muhammad had said something he was not told to say, Allah will not let it come out of his mouth, The Powerful is unlike the weak Yahweh. Further Allah would have carried out His threat on Muhammad because Allah says in Surah Azhab that Allah is not shy to speak the truth; Allah The Almighty would said Muhammad [as] did such and such.




[Quote]Accepting polytheism and speaking false words in God's name is serious sin, and for a short period of time, while he was claiming to be a prophet, Muhammad did this. It is true that Muhammad confessed and repented, and this is to his credit, but this event still shows a very serious failing in his life. This event must not be ignored because it is inconvenient for it shows that all people are affected by sin.[/Quote]The bold will not wash away your lies. We have noted it. Allah Himself knows that you have lied against His elect.




[Quote]Muhammad prayed) O Allah! Forgive my mistakes and my ignorance and my exceeding the limit (boundaries) of righteousness in my deeds; and forgive whatever You know better than I. O Allah! Forgive the wrong I have done jokingly or seriously, and forgive my accidental and intentional errors, all that is present in me. (Bukhari: vol. 8, bk. 75, no. 408, Khan)[/Quote]Allah said of him, that all his sins of even the future is forgiven. Meaning he is prevented from committing it when the time comes, which elaborates what i meekly stated before that Allah would not allow sin like the one you stated come out of his mouth. Begging Allah for forgiveness is an act of worship. Reading Quran is an act of worship. Muhammad never stopped intensifying his worship so much so that his wife Aisha [ra] said to him, Allah has forgiven you all future sins. Muhammad responded, should I not be thankful for that reason? Allah says in the Quran cautioning Muhammad [as] to not pray all night long, 1/2 of the night a little less or a little more is okay. We muslims by this have been encouraged to worship in 1/3 of the night and the last 1/3 is the best. Muhammad asking for forgiveness in the above supplication is quality of sinless-ness [something you truly don't have in many Biblical prophets, according to the Bibles, if you do critical analysis].




[Quote]So know (O Muhammad) that there is no God save Allah, and ask forgiveness for thy sin and for believing men and women (Qur'an 47:19, Pickthall)[/Quote]Allah guaranteeing his asking will be accepted. This goes against your assumption of guilt. Arrogance is when a person says I am sinless. even if you are sinless, priding yourself on it is sinful. Never there was a prayer that came from his mouth, except that it was answered. Never did he say anything except it was inspired by God in him, and it comes to pass.




[Quote]Therefore, the Qur'an and the Sunnah both agree with the Bible that even prophets sin.[/Quote]The Quran does not. The Sunnah does not. Your bibles stand alone in this respect. You accuse God's elects, you are on your own.




[Quote]Deedat does not know the Qur'an or even the history of his own prophet. This is why the message of Jesus is so important because Jesus never sinned. God sent Jesus for this reason and he is our only hope.[/Quote]The bold is a good lie, because the Saudi Government can't help themselves but to certify him as a true "Crusader" borrowing the Christian's terminology, better yet a true man on the path of Jihad. May Allah make him from among the people of jannah. Amin. The muslim communities gave him so many awards that there is no need to list them. No muslim that was a muslim that said Deedat was ignorant of Quran or the history of the Prophet [as]. Well the christian writer true to the legendary of Christianity penned against Deedat when he is no more here to act against the lies, just like they penned lies against Jesus son of Mary.

To say that Jesus never sinned is to not be very analytical of Biblical verses. John son of Zacharias, his Father, yes, because the bible did not record any evil against them. John lost his head because he did not participate in evil. But not Jesus of the Bibles; he cursed a tree to die because he was hungry. He hurt a herd of pigs to drown. He called a tribe dogs. He called people pigs. He called many people and groups varied names to include leeches, vampires/blood suckers, even Peter his rock he called satan. he disrespected his young mother by not recognizing him. He ran old people away from their businesses, called people fools which he said calling people fools will lead to hell fire. He top all of these up not with threat of slaughtering those who would not let him rule over them, but if it is true saying of God that God was unable to protect him, leaving him unprotected as in blaming God in his 'why has Thou forsaken me?" cry. We do notice that he didn't say father in this case, suddenly forgetting that he was the only begotten son, according to Paul who wrote it [and we say there is no corruption in the Bibles?}.




[Quote]An angel of the Lord appeared to him (Joseph) in a dream and said, "Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife,
[/Quote]has he paid the dowry at the time the angel was talking to him? Is Joseph truly son of David? Are we truly children of Adam? So when Islam says Mary is sister of Aaron, why the uproar of 'the Quran makes a mistake" coming from the enemies of islam, Christians?




[Quote]because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins." (Matthew 2:20-21, NIV)[/Quote]The tone has changed; he's no more Immanuel [God with us which in essence does mean God does exist and not God is on earth right there], and he is no more the savior of the whole world [but just his people; children of israel. No wonder he preached to them and emphatically stated; i am sent to the lost sheep of the tribes of israel]?




[Quote]He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth. (1 Peter 2:22, NIV[/Quote]I do not come with peace, but with swords is not being a lamb, turning the other cheek. Family will be divided and father will be against son, etc is not about bringing peace or harmony. By swords if you not have a bag is not about being docile. I am God is not what he said about himself, who made him God, which will be a lie, since he worshiped God? Crying, weeping, begging God and says he is God elect who have been honored then blame God as in "why has Thou forsaken me?' is opposite of being honored. Telling us that he will return while a disciple is on earth is not truth since no one of them is alive today and Jesus has not returned because you are expecting him as a christian. If another comforter is not a human being, then this is an open lie, because we want ask what was a previous comforter like, Ghost like fire too? how did the ghostly another Comforter corrected mistakes he found when he appeared on the day of penticost, the only day he would fulfilled everything about him? how did he lead to all truth? how did he teach to all truth, even things Jesus felt the disciples were too immature to handle?

How did he glorify Jesus and stop people from thinking Mary was a LovePeddler, because it wasn't old man Joseph the carpenter that must be satisfied, but the whole community who knew that Mary was not married; the jews in the time of Muhammad [as] knew from their history that Mary was not married. Today young jews in videos on Youtube scorn christians saying that they are proud of their opinions of Jesus. The one man who presented time lime and compelling evidence against the opinions of the jews is Muhammad and no jew doubted him, though they may reject it still. After all they rejected Jesus from their mist, so what will be surprising if the reject Muhammad [as]?

Finally; how did the ghost speak?

What did he hear?[/quote]

we can see from the below the story of Adam and those Allah spoke about to Muhammad, the Makkans. idolatry has nothing to do with Adam. if you people know the idol he worshiped in your allegation, please tell us since you can name al manat, etc? The bold is an evidence of who the idolators are.


7: 186 Whoever Allah sends astray - there is no guide for him. And He leaves them in their transgression, wandering blindly.

7:187 They ask you, [O Muhammad], about the Hour: when is its arrival? Say, "Its knowledge is only with my Lord. None will reveal its time except Him. It lays heavily upon the heavens and the earth. It will not come upon you except unexpectedly." They ask you as if you are familiar with it. Say, "Its knowledge is only with Allah , but most of the people do not know."

7:188 Say, "I hold not for myself [the power of] benefit or harm, except what Allah has willed. And if I knew the unseen, I could have acquired much wealth, and no harm would have touched me. I am not except a warner and a bringer of good tidings to a people who believe."

7:189 It is He who created you from one soul and created from it its mate that he might dwell in security with her. And when he covers her, she carries a light burden and continues therein. And when it becomes heavy, they both invoke Allah , their Lord, "If You should give us a good [child], we will surely be among the grateful."

7:190 But when He gives them a good [child], they ascribe partners to Him concerning that which He has given them. Exalted is Allah above what they associate with Him.

7:191 Do they associate with Him those who create nothing and they are [themselves] created?

7:192 And the false deities are unable to [give] them help, nor can they help themselves.

7:193 And if you [believers] invite them to guidance, they will not follow you. It is all the same for you whether you invite them or you are silent.

[Quote]Muhammad looked into another person's house and saw his daughter-in-law undressed. "Admiration for her entered (his) heart", but there was a terrible problem, she was his daughter-in-law, the wife of his adopted son. Then Muhammad claimed that God had saved him from this problem. First he said that God had cancelled all adoptions.

(N)either has He made your adopted sons your sons in fact. (Qur'an 33:4, Arberry)

This meant that Zayd was no longer Muhammad's son and that Zaynab was no longer his daughter-in-law. Then he said that God had given Zaynab to him.

So when Zaid had accomplished what he would of her (divorced her), then We gave her in marriage to you (Muhammad). (Qur'an 33:37, Arberry)]/Quote]So the anger against Muhammad [as] is that adoption was cancelled and he married the wife of the man who used to be his son when adoption was acceptable? If this is the problem, are we saying that adoption is a real family, why do we describe it or qualify it as adoption then? If marrying a wife that was once married before how do you eliminate over population of single people, who actually want to get marry? When a thing is forbidden, becomes forbidden. If it is permissible, you can not forbid it. The Bible relates a story of brothers passing a woman around between them, one after the other and no one of them wants to get her pregnant. Who is closer in true God's ordained relationship; blood brothers or adopted father and son?



[Quote]Judah was deceived into intimate relations with his daughter-in-law, Muhammad was not. The fact that Muhammad and Zaynab eventually got married does not justify this event, and adoption is not an evil institution that needs to be abolished.[/Quote]imagine if Judah was a woman and she picked up a John who happens to be her son in law? Imagine if Muhammad was an old woman whose former adopted daughter's ex husband marry? Judah will still be a pig and Muhammad will be call up to date. The up to date is happening in America; the older woman is called a Cougar. If she is a younger woman with an old man, she is a kitten. What Muhammad did is legal. And I supported Film Maker Woody Allen [a jew; a person from the people who holds the key to the salvation of christians] married Sun Yii, the adopted daughter of his wife; Mia Farrow who has never seen a sugar daddy she didn't want.



[Quote]The fact is Muhammad looked into another person's house and saw a woman undressed. This lead to "revelations" that allowed him to fulfil his desire and take her to be his wife. Be honest, Muhammad is making up revelations to suit his own desires. If anyone else had such revelations we would rightly reject them as false, but when Muhammad has these revelations Islamic leaders tell us it is a miracle of God.[/Quote]How do you explain the revelation of Surah Abasa and even verses that threatened him, Allah saying his life would have been cut short and his punishment would have been doubled?



[Quote]DAUGHTERS SEDUCE THEIR FATHER
Read Genesis 19, verses 30 to the end and mark again in "red" the words and phrases deserving this honour (of being censored). Do not hesitate and procrastinate. ,  To continue: the "history" has it that, night after night, the daughters of Lot seduced their drunken father with the noble (?) motive of preserving their father's "seed". ,  No decent reader can read the seduction of Lot to his mother, sister or daughter, not even to his fiancee if she is a chaste and moral woman. Yet you will come across perverted people who will gorge this filth. Tastes can be cultivated! (Ahmed Deedat, Is the Bible God's Word, ch. 8, p. 50)

Deedat refers to the incident of Lot's daughters having intimate relations with their father. His conclusion is that the Bible is a filthy book, a bad example, and unworthy to be called the Word of God. Deedat's comments are wrong for the following reasons.

The Bible records what humans are like - and we are sinful. Lot and his daughters sinned and it is not wrong to record that this happened. The Bible is clear that Lot's actions are not an example for us to follow.

No one is to approach any close relative to have intimate relations. (Leviticus 18:6, NIV)

Do not have intimate relations with both a woman and her daughter. (Leviticus 18:17, NIV)

However, for many Muslims there is another problem with what the Bible says. Muslims consider Lot to be a prophet and that prophets do not sin. Therefore to say that a prophet behaved this way is unacceptable.[/Quote]It is your Bibles that say these things about your Biblical prophets. Don't blame Muslims for your lies that Quran exposes, correct you we do.We do not accuse any prophet in the Quran.



[Quote] However, the Qur'an and Sunnah also record that the prophets sinned seriously. For instance, it says that Adam was the first idolater.[/Quote]I want to see this verse. Hopefully the Christian wrote it somewhere, below?



[Quote]It is He who created you out of one living soul (Adam), and made of him his spouse that he might rest in her.[/Quote]This is the end of the story of Adam and Eve, giving us our source of existence, how we came to being.



[Quote] Then, when he covered her, she bore a light burden and passed by with it; but when it became heavy they cried to God their Lord, "If Thou givest us a righteous son, we indeed shall be of the thankful." Thereafter, when He gave them a righteous son, they assigned Him associates in that He had given them; but God is high exalted above that they associate. (Qur'an 7:189-190, Arberry[/Quote]This is about the disbelieving Arabs who disliked daughters and their gods are mostly males. It has nothing to do with Adam and Eve because there was no idolatry until human became populated again after the flood of Noah. The first person carved as idols because of their piety were listed on the pages of Quran. The story of the idolator Makkans are from 183 to 193 and not just the isolated 2 verses that are the core of your deceit.Read the Quran.



[Quote]Muhammad also sinned this way in the famous event of the Satanic Verses. One day when Muhammad was reciting Sura 53 he recited these words to his tribe:

Have you thought of al-Lat and al-Uzza and Manat, the third ,  these are the exalted Gharaniq (a high flying bird) whose intercession is approved. (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah, pp. 165-166)
Al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat were some of the local idols worshiped in Mecca. Previously Muhammad had spoken against them in his monotheist preaching but now he recited that their "intercession is approved". When Muhammad's tribe heard what he had said they accepted him as a prophet.[/Quote]No where in Quranic history that this is possible. The abrogated verses were all left in the Quran. Why not this one? The effort to rubbish Quran as Bibles are rubbished will not work. Quran is in the original language and no time do we have that Abu Lahab accepted Islam, because taking Muhammad as a prophet meaning accepting islam.

Surah Taba Tiyada [111] was about Abu Lahab never to accept islam and dies as a pagan, though the messenger was his nephew. Abu Jahal was never recorded to have been happy about Muhammad or accepted Islam upon the beginning of this noble religion in Makka. If this verse had been revealed, all the Muslims who migrated to Ethiopia would have returned. What we know was that there was no happy time for those who accepted islam in Makka until the victory return to her after almost 10 years in Madina, at the tail end of the life of Muhammad [as], suffering almost the 23 years from the hatred of the Makkans.



[Quote]Then Gabriel came to the apostle and said, "What have you done, Muhammad? You have read to these people something I did not bring you from God and you have said what He did not say to you." (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah, p. 166)[/Quote]Was this after had threatened him to cut off his life and give him double punishment or before? If it was before, Allah did not relate the story as one of his short comings as He did of the "frowning or turning the face". If it is after He was threatened, Allah did not cut off his life and gave him double punishment, instead He praised him as the only Messenger to all mankind [Surah A'raf], a means of mercy and forgiveness [Surah Tauba, second to the last verse], raised to highest esteem and mentioning [Surah Alam Nashri ka], all mankind should call blessing of Allah on him if mankind knows whats good for themselves [Surah Azhab]. I just have to stop here, because my time is precious.



[Quote]Then Muhammad confessed his sin.
I ascribed to Allah, what He had not said. (Ibn Sa'd, Kitab Al-Tabaqat Al-Kabir, vol. 1, p. 237)
I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken. (Al-Tabari, The History of Al-Tabari, vol. vi, p. 111)[/Quote]The lies against Islam is a book. Please pick it up and know that unlike Biblical prophets, no Islamic prophet will say the thing he has not been ordained to say. This statement that i just made is from Allah on the pages of the Quran. Allah is talking about the lies of Christians on Jesus. I am sure if Muhammad had said something he was not told to say, Allah will not let it come out of his mouth, The Powerful is unlike the weak Yahweh. Further Allah would have carried out His threat on Muhammad because Allah says in Surah Azhab that Allah is not shy to speak the truth; Allah The Almighty would said Muhammad [as] did such and such.



[Quote]Accepting polytheism and speaking false words in God's name is serious sin, and for a short period of time, while he was claiming to be a prophet, Muhammad did this. It is true that Muhammad confessed and repented, and this is to his credit, but this event still shows a very serious failing in his life. This event must not be ignored because it is inconvenient for it shows that all people are affected by sin.[/Quote]The bold will not wast away your lies. We have noted it. Allah Himself knows that you have lied against His elect.



[Quote]Muhammad prayed) O Allah! Forgive my mistakes and my ignorance and my exceeding the limit (boundaries) of righteousness in my deeds; and forgive whatever You know better than I. O Allah! Forgive the wrong I have done jokingly or seriously, and forgive my accidental and intentional errors, all that is present in me. (Bukhari: vol. 8, bk. 75, no. 408, Khan)[/Quote]Allah said of him, that all his sins of even the future is forgiven. Meaning he is prevented from committing it when the time comes, which elaborates what i meekly stated before that Allah would not allow sin like the one you stated come out of his mouth. Begging Allah for forgiveness is an act of worship. Reading Quran is an act of worship. Muhammad never stopped intensifying his worship so much so that his wife Aisha [ra] said to him, Allah has forgiven you all future sins. Muhammad responded, should I not be thankful for that reason? Allah says in the Quran cautioning Muhammad [as] to not pray all night long, 1/2 of the night a little less or a little more is okay. We muslims by this have been encouraged to worship in 1/3 of the night and the last 1/3 is the best. Muhammad asking for forgiveness in the above supplication is quality of sinlessness [something you truly don't have in many Biblical prophets, according to the Bibles, if you do critical analysis].



[Quote]So know (O Muhammad) that there is no God save Allah, and ask forgiveness for thy sin and for believing men and women (Qur'an 47:19, Pickthall)[/Quote]Allah guaranteeing his asking will be accepted. This goes against your assumption of guilt. Arrogance is when a person says I am sinless. even if you are sinless, priding yourself on it is sinful.



[Quote]Therefore, the Qur'an and the Sunnah both agree with the Bible that even prophets sin.[/Quote]The Quran does not. The Sunnah does not. Your bibles stand alone in this respect. You accuse God's elects, you are on your own.



[Quote] Deedat does not know the Qur'an or even the history of his own prophet. This is why the message of Jesus is so important because Jesus never sinned. God sent Jesus for this reason and he is our only hope.[/Quote]The bold is a good lie, because the Saudi Government can't help themselves but to certify him as a true "Crusader" borrowing the Christian's terminology, better yet a true man on the path of Jihad. May Allah make him from among the people of jannah. Amin.

To say that Jesus never sinned is to not be very analytical. John son of Zacharias, his Father, yes. But not Jesus of the Bibles; he cursed a tree to die because he was hungry. He hurt a herd of pigs to drown. He called a tribe dogs. He called people pigs. He called many people and groups varied names to include leeches, vampires/blood suckers, even Peter his rock he called satan. he disrespected his young mother by not recognizing him. He ran old people away from their businesses, called people fools which he said calling people fools will lead to hell fire. He top all of these up not with threat of slaughtering those who would not let him rule over them, but if it is true saying of God that God was unable to protect him, leaving him unprotected as in blaming God in his 'why has Thou forsaken me?" cry. We do notice that he didn't say father in this case, suddenly forgetting that he was the only begotten son, according to Paul who wrote it [and we say there is no corruption in the Bibles?}.



[Quote]An angel of the Lord appeared to him (Joseph) in a dream and said, "Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, [/Quote]has he paid the dowry?



[Quote]because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will give birth to a son, [b][b][b]and you are to give him the name Jesus[/b][/b][/b], because [b]he will save his people from their sins[/b]." (Matthew 2:20-21, NIV)[/Quote]The tone has changed; he no more Immanuel [God with us which in essence does mean God does exist and not God is on earth right there], and he is no more the savior of the whole world [but just his people; children of israel. No wonder he preached to them and emphatically stated; i am sent to the lost sheep of the tribes of israel]?



[Quote]He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth. (1 Peter 2:22, NIV[/Quote]I do not come with peace, but with swords is not being a lamb, turning the other cheek. Family will be divided and father will be against son, etc is not about bringing peace or harmony. By swords if you not have a bag is not about being docile. I am God is not what he said about himself, who made him God, which will be a lie, since he worshiped God? Crying, weeping, begging God and says he is God elect who have been honored then blame God as in "why has Thou forsaken me?' is opposite of being honored. Telling us that he will return while a disciple is on earth is not truth since no one of them is alive today and Jesus has not returned because you are expecting him as a christian. If another comforter is not a human being, then this is an open lie, because we want ask what was a previous comforter like, Ghost like fire too? how did the ghostly another Comforter corrected mistakes he found when he appeared on the day of penticost, the only day he would fulfilled everything about him? how did he lead to all truth? how did he teach to all truth, even things Jesus felt the disciples were too immature to handle?

How did he glorify Jesus and stop people from thinking Mary was a prostitute, because it wasn't old man Joseph the carpenter that must be satisfied, but the whole community who knew that Mary was not married; the jews in the time of Muhammad [as] knew from their history that Mary was not married. Today young jews in videos on Youtube scorn christians saying that they are proud of their opinions of Jesus. The one man who presented time lime and compelling evidence against the opinions of the jews is Muhammad and no jew doubted him, though they may reject it still. After all they rejected Jesus from their mist, so what will be surprising if the reject Muhammad [as]?

Finally; how did the ghost speak?

What did he hear?[/quote]

^^^^^^^^^^^
As I have asked the christians, always, when they say Jesus is son of God, I insist they tell me which wife of God bore Him that son. No Christian has been bold enough to answer, yet. Itistrue, this is your thread that you raised an allegation against Muhammad [as], apart from your religious lies against God, then Jesus and Mary his mother, above.

You will see how deceitful you and your religion are when I ask you to answer my question, providing fact about your allegation of wrong doing against Muhammad [as], a human being, a messenger of God which you have denied, never mind what you say you belief, your actions say otherwise.

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Deedat is critical of the Bible for recording how Judah had intimate relations with his daughter-in-law.

Inbreeding HONOURED
,  Under what category ,  will you place the Inbreeding of Judah, and his illegitimate progeny? All of these characters are honoured in the "Book of God" for their bastardy. ,  But what about the moral (of this story)? God blesses Judah for his incestuous crime! (Ahmed Deedat, Is the Bible God's Word, ch. 8, pp. 48-49)

Firstly, Deedat does not tell his reader that Judah was deceived into sexually relations with his daughter-in-law.[/Quote]when you see a drunk do something, know that what he does the thing in his heart, with the aid of the alcohol that makes him lost the shame of doing it. Joseph was a son of Jacob. So was Judah. Joseph was seduced by a powerful woman, who he turned down so much so that it was a family scandal, then a societal scandal and led Joseph to prison term. When Joseph was going to be honored as a minister, he insisted that the woman speak the truth about the sexual scandal. . .

Judah on the other hand went for a road side woman. I have seen many of those in my days. I never went for them. If you went on any neighborhood in USA, there is a neighborhood prostitute, if thats your wish.



[Quote]Not realizing that she was his daughter-in-law, he went over to her by the roadside ,  (Genesis 13:16, NIV[/Quote]So sleeping with prostitute is a good thing, unless if your daughter in law is that prostitute, it is not okay this time? First the in breeding is because the husband of the prostitute is the son of the customer. His biological son, from his loin. he got his mother pregnant by having sex with her, the same thing he is asking of the road side woman, prostitute who is discovered afterwards to be his son's wife.



[Quote]Thus Judah did not do this knowingly. And Judah is never "honoured" for this action as Deedat claims. [/Quote]As I recall, today we have Judaism and Jews, what is the root word of each of the two? Where do you think they coined each from except from Judah? There used to be a country called Judea. where do you think the name was coined from except from the same Judah, the man who was a John?



[Quote]the main problem with Deedat's criticism is that Muhammad had intimate relations with his daughter-in-law too! This is a well known event in Muhammad's life. Muhammad had an adopted son called Zayd bin Muhammad. Zayd had a beautiful wife was called Zaynab.[/Quote]Alhamdulillah, I am not adopted. Imagine if I were. There are two women, one was the daughter of my adoptive family and the other from my biological family. I have no choice of wife, except from these two women. Who is truly forbidden for me and who is truly allowed for me, of the two? Should I marry my blood sister because I am not raised with her and that is not inbreeding or incest?

Or should I not marry my sister of different parent, not remotely related to me by blood except that we are both humans, from Adam and Eve, but all we have in common is that we were raised by the same parents? Imagine me a black man marrying my blood sister and give up a chinese girl that my adopted parent also adopted just because the world we think we are family?

Please, tell me who is the mother of Zayd [ra] the "son' of Muhammad [as], Khadijah [ra] who bought the boy as a slave and gave him as a gift to Muhammad her husband, or which one of the wives? You know there are many wives and may just find a mother for Zayd among them?

Incidentally, Zaynab [ra] is a daughter of one of the Uncles of Muhammad, making her his cousin. If Zayd is the biological son of Muhammad [as], Zayd has married the first cousin of his father. But how many true father can a person have except one, otherwise there is illegal relationship between mom and many possible fathers? Only a bastard will have more tan 1 father. Was Zayd a bastard because there was a father for him from another town, from another tribe. He came to Muhammad [as] and asked him to release his son who was now Muhammad's slave, a gift from his wife Khadijah.

Muhammad was wiling to release him, but asked the young Zayd who already acknowledged this man as his father to go with him if he wishes. The slave boy said that he wishes to stay with Muhammad, long before he became a prophet [as]. I wonder why a child will see his father but prefers his slave master instead; would Kunta Kinte had done that, even though he was in America, being a different place from "dusty" africa [i am making fun of those who think america is more than a place on earth. it isn't]?

Has Muhammad became the father of this boy and his real father is no more his father? Lets ask King Solomon the wise. In days of Solomon he was called wise because he listened and made wise decision between 2 wives disputing about the son who was alive and a dead one, of the same infant age, born to the same father. The mother of the living child said they should let the boy live, being raised by the other mother, while the "FAKE" mother insisted that the king should slice the child into 2, giving a portion to her and her co wife.

The statement of the real mother tells us that only a real parent is the parent and a fake parent is not, regardless of good quality from him or her to the child because blood is stronger bond [thicker than water] between mankind. Lets imagine if Muhammad [as] was not a prophet and adoption was eradicated by the greatest of all explanations; you are not related to this person for real. what you have is your own desire and it is fake. The son can marry your daughter, instead of marrying is own blood sister [marrying his blood sister is incest, while marrying your daughter is not].

If the above scenario is what we have, can this man be accused of marrying "his son's former wife"? Where is the blood relationship between Zayd and Zaynab [please explain it]? Muhammad has a cousin relationship with Zaynab, and there is no real relationship with Zayd. Allah says that all artificial are fake and are bound to perish or be wiped off. I am an adoptive father of a young daughter. She has her parents name and my children have my name. Imagine if I have real daughters. If the world were to end and there are on earth, my adopted daughter and my blood daughter [real daughter now not the fake created relationship of adoption], and there are 2 boys alive too; my son and another boy.

if they have to start a family, should my son marry his blood sister and let the strange boy marry the adopted sister, because his blood sister is just a little taller, and my son loves tall women? It will be unnatural even in that extreme condition to do that. Then imagine when we are in condition that there is ease; When adoption is declared as fake and eliminated, Zayd ceases to be Muhammad's son, which was untrue in the first place because no son survived Muhammad and no wife of his is the mother of Zayd. And Zayd is not a Quraishi.

Zaynab was a Quraishi, a cousin of the Messenger. If you know that Zayd is a Quraishi, then tell us who is his Quraishi father and whats his blood relationship to Zaynab, since cousins can marry? One better for you; who is his Quraishi mother, or his mother the wife of the Messenger [as]? It-is-true [like your name] that no son survived Muhammad, and all progeny was through the 2 sons of Fatima Zarah [ra]; Hassan and Hussaine [ra]. Muhammad is not a man leading to lewdness. He instructed us against it and he would not have been the first to do the things he disliked. The enemies of Muhammad [as] did not use this alleged incident to attack him, shows that it did not happen. And the enemies of Islam in Makka, and Madina if you restrict yourself to these 2 places took advantage of every opportunity they had against him; no one ever used this. Why?

Muhammad is unlike your uncommitted to good moral biblical prophets, one not capable of telling a tyrant his relationship with his wife, even though God was on his side, another unable to turn away from seeing a woman far of taking showers outside, in the easy place for all eyes to see, almost like town square, sending husband to die, having 300 concubines on top of 700 wives and a father parading the byways looking for cheap tricks and ending up 'unknowingly' and you are not ashamed of this event, with his real daughter in law.

Allah is unlike unable, incapable, regretting and scared of human attempts Yahweh of the Bibles. Read your Bibles, these qualifiers are all in there. Allah protected Yusuf from illegal sex that the young man was solicited. Muhammad is His last Messenger and seal of Prophets. He was the only one Allah sent to all mankind. Could there be a person with more perfect quality? Before marriage he was a virgin, Just like John and Jesus except that neither ever got married. When Muhammad married, it was to a wife, telling you that it is okay for have just 1 wife, even a once married, once a mother, once a divorcee, once a widow, even older than the husband. When the wife died he remained a bachelor except that Allah used him to show all kinds of acceptable conditions:

marrying again; even to all types; people of your age, divorced, widowed, virgin, barren, etc. With all of these, why go for outside of Marriage sex? It is not unexpected that Allah used him to show that a fake relationship does not prosper. After all, Muhammad is the same person used to show that it is fake that God is more than One and or that He has a son and that God does not answer the prayers of believers, allowing Jesus to be hung. You asked for the truth, you are getting it raw. he married his cousin Zaynab after Zayd divorce her, and the story was related in Surah Azhab; if she wants you. Zayd did not complain and Zaynab didn't either [unfortunately, i wrote a good piece her which i mistakenly deleted and time is against me, so there you have what i put together in haste].

hadith, always, must always agree with the Quran. When Quran says no illegal sex, the Messenger [as] who s described as the "living/walking" Quran will not be the person to perform illegal sex. GUARANTEED. Further, a thing shameful is not even reported outside, if God covers it, why reveal it to the people.

Let me ask you, and i already take it that you dont know; Which of the two persons told the community of this evil event? You need to open your mind.

Finally, Allah reports about the turning of face of Muhammad from a blind man in Suratul Abasa. Just turning of face and that was it. Imagine if it was illegal sex? I didn't see anything in the Quran, while Allah has forbidden illegal sex.

[Quote]Mohammed was a strong leader of men. He formed an army and conquered a great empire. However, he was a false prophet. Therefore, his teachings must be rejected. Mohammed has led millions of people astray. Those who follow him are lost (Matthew 15:13,14). Jesus Christ is the only Way to God (John 14:6). All spiritual blessings are to be found in Him (Ephesians 1:3). He alone can give eternal life (1 John 5:11,12). “God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom He also made the worlds” (Hebrews 1:1,2). We must listen to God’s Son today in order to be saved (Acts 3:23). God’s Son, Jesus Christ, tells us we must hear and believe His gospel (John 3:16; 8:24); repent of all our sins (Luke 13:3); confess Him before men (Matthew 10:32,33); and be baptized in order to be saved (Mark 16:15,16).[/Quote]What is the proof that a person is a true prophet from the Bible?

What is the proof that a person is a false Prophet from the Bible?

Please apply both of them to Muhammad [as].

Please apply both of them to Jesus.

Tell us who failed a test of True Prophet. If you are not bold enough to conduct it, just say so.

Some christian with spine will.

If there is non, a muslim will do a good job. he will only use your Bible's verses as the testing materials.



[Quote]What is even more terrifying for Muhammad is the following verse of bible : "And I solemnly declare to everyone who hears the words of prophecy written in this book: If anyone adds anything to what is written here, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book." - Revelation 22:18[/Quote]This person is now Jesus or the Another Comforter? I though Jesus ended up everything about Christianity and not Paul? Or Jesus is the one making that declaration in Revelation 22 verse 18? Do you understand Yoruba? O ma seee o.



[Quote]But here comes Muhammad full of envy for the Jews and Christians and does exactly what has been forbidden, and adds a strange new doctrine ( obviously of SATAN ) to the finished work of salvation for mankind. ONLY SATAN could engineer such a diabolical scheme. !!

Which will you follow? God or Allah? The Bible or the Qu’ran? Jesus or Mohammed? You must choose! Your eternal happiness depends upon it.[/Quote]the christians always want to add themselves to jews or add jews to themselves against Islam. Allah already tell us about this, so I am not surprised. Finally, the only one who could forbid anything after Jesus was lifted is the Another Comforter Jesus spoke about. Is the writer of the book of revelation in the Bibles that "Another Comforter"? You can say yes and it will be okay if you care to explain.

you can say no and then you really have a problem. I will really go for the jugular in that case.

[Quote]Was Mohammed the last and greatest of the prophets of God? Mohammed accepted the books of Moses (the first five books of the Old Testament) as being inspired of God. In one of them, God said He would raise up a prophet like Moses from among his brethren (Deuteronomy 18:15-19). The brethren of Moses were the children of Israel who were later known as the Jews. Mohammed was not a Jew. He was an Arab. Therefore, he could not be the prophet God raised up among His people. Who is the Prophet God raised up? The apostle Peter tells that this Prophet raised up by God was Jesus Christ (Acts 3:22-26).

Mohammed admitted that Jesus was one of the prophets of God. We know that a true prophet of God does not lie. Therefore, whatever Jesus said must be true. Please notice what Jesus said about Himself: “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins” (John 8:24). Jesus also said: “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me” (John 14:6).[/Quote]How does the bold apply to the children of Israel who saw the way out under Moses in the Exodus and those who didn't see the way out, going against Moses perished? Who was the way that the drowning Pharaoh did not see; Moses who was there with his miracle staff or Jesus whose mother Mary was born many centuries later? How was Jesus the way with those people Lot saved and how was Lot not the way but Jesus was of those who got perished because they did not obey Lot? How was Jesus the way during the flood of Noah, when it was the ark of Noah with Noah being the leader that God protected those who didn't perish? If Jesus was not the way in all of these, Jesus must be incorrect about the era of each and every prophet of God.



[Quote]Is Allah the one true God? Is Allah the same as the God we read about in the Bible? The answer to both of these questions is “NO!” The Bible teaches there is one God {Divine Nature or Godhood} (Acts 17:29; James 2:19). There are, however, three Persons who possess the Divine Nature. They are the Father (Matthew 6:9; Ephesians 4:6); the Son (John 1:1-3,14; Colossians 2:9); and the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:3,4). Moslems reject the teaching of the Bible concerning the Godhead. They deny that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God (John 1:18; 3:16). Moslems claim to accept the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, but these books teach that Jesus Christ is God’s Son. The very books which Moslems agree come from God disagrees with their teaching.

We have learned that according to Mohammed’s own teachings, the Qu’ran cannot be the true word of God, nor can Allah be the true God. Neither can Mohammed be God’s prophet.[/Quote]If you ever told your little cousin or niece/nephew this bold, watch the face of the innocent child, he/she is saying this man can't add up a penny.

Is 1 Euro equal to 3? Please send me bank draft for 3 million Swiss Franks, I will return a check of 1 Million Swiss franks to you; 1 original, and 2 color copies and we are even.

@Frosbel; « #10 on: Yesterday at 08:42:38 PM »
[Quote]Is Islam the true way to God? Is Allah the true God? Is Mohammed the last and greatest prophet? Is the Qu’ran a true revelation from God or is it the words of men? These are important questions. Thousands of people are seeking the answers to them. Mohammed called Christians and Jews “people of the Book.” He taught that the books of Moses, the Psalms, and the Gospels in the Bible are true revelations of God. What does the Bible say about these questions?

The Bible warns that a different message from the gospel must not be accepted even though it comes from an angel:

“I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed” (Galatians 1:6-.[/Quote]Paul warned you in the Bible when Jesus never dare to warn you. Maybe Paul is the another comforter? but who is that prophet?



[Quote]Mohammed claimed Gabriel gave him his message. But according to the Bible, we must not accept another message even if it comes from an angel. Moslems say the Qu’ran is God’s final revelation to man. But the New Testament, which was written more than 600 years before the Qu’ran, claims it is God’s final revelation to man (2 Timothy 3:16,17; 2 Peter 1:3; Jude 3). If the Bible is true, then the Qu’ran is false. Mohammed claimed the Bible was true, so according to his own claims, the Qu’ran must be must be false![/Quote]Angels of God, one of them is Gabriel sent to Mary. Unless Yahweh down graded Gabriel, his status is still good. If you reject further message, then the message of Jesus is unfulfilled because he said another comforter with a message that will correct errors, teach to absolute truth, lead to all truth, glorify Jesus will have to come. Are we not seeing lies in 2 Timothy 3: 16, 17, and 2 Peter 1 verse 3 and Jude 3 otherwise, Jesus will be incorrect?

@Frosbel, Nuclearboy: here is the video I promised you, yesterday. See bowing down? They have been christians much much longer than any protestants. definitely much earlier than you nigerians;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMd2qMFpSvM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ When did you eat his meat [sorry flesh is so sophisticated to meat the same way nude is to naked], and drank his blood?

And you are not cannibalistic?

how is the meat and blood; still fresh or? Yaawk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMi_-xqhBYw&feature=related

^^^^^ i read Quran in arabic. in all my reading; by Allah's Mercy on me, I am reading it twice as we go along in the month of ramadhan; in tarawih and in daily reading without being in salah, i do not know of a verse that allow indiscriminate killing or fascism.

in surah Nisaa Allah Says those who believed and then disbelieved, and then return to belief and then disbelief, and then return to belief and then disbelief [you see the sequences? disbelief after belief and then disbelief, etc, becomes a joke because no seriousness in it. no woman will hang around a man who loved her and unloved her like that. same for man to woman], yet in all of these, Allah does not say such a person be killed, instead He said He will reject their action. really that is the longest rope given and a person may just hung himself [sorry, i know hanging is a sensitive word].

Christians who do evils are not blamed for their religion. A case in point was the young student who slashed the face/neck of the muslim cab driver in New York City sometime ago.

This is the time USA or even Nigeria need a maverick business mind, who will float the currency of his nation against Chinese Rim bi, Swiss Franks and many other and make a killing; turning the economy of the country around and lowering until quietly eliminating the national debt altogether.

if President Obama had started out with jobs creation instead of social projects like health care and bugging himself down with rescuing AIG, and others, instead with the same money creating companies headed by younger work force to take the places of the aged and badly managed companies he rescued, he would will be a sure in for a second term right about now.

and right now, he could have started his social program of health care and no republican would have the gut to challenge his agenda.

debt ceiling; all of that is artificial. america can have a turn around just like that if the politicians are not pretending to be doing something when they are not doing anything at all. All the USA has to do is to start new ideas, re-engineering the economy in all known and new concepts including manufacturing.

^^^^^^^^
[Quote]« #26 on: Today at 09:01:25 PM »
Yeah right bro, you are an Arab and can understand all the Arabic verses. You muslims just LOVE a LIE and cannot do without ONE.
Anyway let Me leave you Shiites and get some real answers from Sunnis.
Please can you watch these videos below and tell me what you think about the RELIGION OF PEACE ?[/Quote]I bet a catholic will be more honest than you in the below:

You overheard a people planning to attach your house this coming Tuesday between the hours of 9 am to 5 pm, the usual working ours in most offices. They think you will be in the office and most of your neighbors will be away in their offices, too.

You happen to be the chairman of a major company, contributing into the police benevolent organization too. This allows you to be able to the ears of the local authority; police, fire fighters, etc including the office of the prosecutors.

Will you not check mate the efforts of the thieves by allowing them to get into your house so that you can catch them with evidence, stationing uncover enforcement personnel all over the neighborhood?

If you are smarter, will you not let the force overpower them by arresting them as the put on their hoods over their faces with crowbars in hands, on your properties not waiting until the smashed couple of windows, breaking the doors down and ransacking your house, first where their presence may actually hunt your daughters who you have sheltered from hoodlums, all along?

If you don't do what it takes to overcome this evil, what is the value of all the power you have in the community?


Does God not have as much power? Even in the Bible? Was Pharaoh not more powerful than the people you said strangled to death Biblical jesus by handing? Didn't Yahweh killed them? Were the children of Israel more important at that time than 'son of god' at the time you said he was being gored to death on the tree?

Let me give you apiece of advise; if you are racing against yourself to become the one who created threads the most, at least pace yourself doing it. create posts that you must be able to defend with your own knowledge, not cut and paste.

They gave birth to Protestants. this is probably a surprise to you. but it is a fact.

@Annawhite; look at the topic. it is a question. the best to affirm the truth of this topic's question would have been answer[s] from and or action[s] of Jesus.

there is no verse from Jesus that is an action or answer to say that Jesus blood is special. we do know that he begged and was not willing to shed any drop. he did not volunteer for even the beating before the 'hanging', all are from your bibles. i am paying attention to details.

[Quote]1 john 1 verse 17; 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.[/Quote]who said the bold; Jesus? if not, how did the speaker arrived at it; where are the verses of Jesus that he drew this conclusion from?

if a person wishes to ignore the fact, he is as good accepting lies.

@frosbel; « #26 on: Today at 08:34:18 PM »
[Quote]^^
Jesus Christ is not DEAD, he is ALIVE forever more ,after offering himself for the sins of mankind ONCE and forever and for those who come to GOD through HIM.[/Quote]the bold took you out of christianity. a man who was beat down to pulps by a big bad bully, can't be assumed that he offered himself up to be beat down. when we watch the whole thing developed as the wimp was cornered in the alley way and has no room to run and zero chance to escape. he was caught by his neck, taken to the park and got whooping. he yelled and cried for help until he collapsed.

it was when he wasn't moving that the beating stop and the bully went away. some scared spectators rushed the man to the hospital, where he was admitted given a bed instead of body bag in the morgue. after less than 3 days, his family got him back. some periods after, his friends were saying in the neighborhood that he offered to be beating so that others may not get beaten, while we see from time to time people in town still get beat up.

shall we say the man volunteered and his volunteering benefited the town in any way since the beating never stopped, or that those who take it that he volunteered himself to be beaten so that others don't get beat needs their heads examined?



[Quote]" How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!" - Hebrews 9:14[/Quote]this is garbage because it never came from Jesus. Paul who wrote this not part of the 12 who should take precedence over him on Jesus. either he was the another comforter because he seems to be leading you to all truth, correcting your way of religion, teaching you new things and glorifying Jesus. or paul is lying and definitely the another comforter must be against pauline doctrine and he must the one telling the truth?



[Quote]But to be honest, what you need is salvation from sins through Christ Jesus , but it is your choice. Like countless millions you can mock Christ all the way to eternal damnation.[/Quote]why trough Jesus when you can approach the One Who can give you salvation, directly? after Adam and Eve approached Him directly and not through Jesus and they got their salvation. why create a road block for yourself adding a useless layer since Adam and Eve whose sin you are laden with got salvation. their method is better, because that how each prophet approached God. even Jesus approached Him the same and not through himself.



[Quote]"Don't waste what is holy on people who are unholy. Don't throw your pearls to pigs! They will trample the pearls, then turn and attack you." - Matthew 7:6[/Quote]and Juses loved everyone so much he called them unholy and likened them to pigs. some real love there, especially coming from man god who is not satisfied being God and just had to come to be a prophet like others by getting his own mother pregnant, etc.



[Quote]ISLAM However , not only venerate the dead , such as Muhammad etc, but they delight in making the living more dead than alive and shedding blood as a means to appease the thirst of their beloved deity ALLAH.[/Quote]muslims make prayers to Allah, after they give salaam to the messenger [as] at his grave. you do make prayers for the dead and not to the dead? this act of muslims is ibadat commanded by Allah in the Quran in surah Azhab. the christians, all of you go to a cave which you call a tomb. such a cave is in american baseball field. it is called dug out and that is where the players sit. dug out or cave is not the belly of the earth.

who is the one that instructs you to go to the fake belly of the earth?

@annawhite^^^^^^^^^^^^ this is for you;

[Quote]« #9 on: Today at 07:54:07 PM »

There is something special about the blood of jesus!
Dnt know for others but whenever i encounter any difficulties in life i call on d blood of jesus and it works for me![/Quote]Jesus himself never once called on himself or his own blood. he called God Who is Heaven.

Jesus said of my own power i can do nothing.

please pick up your bibles and discover this bit of shocking news to you.


a physical object worshiper may call on the object he/she believed in and get result.

i remember tina turner, the black musician had a second musical life in the mid 80s to to the 90s right after she became a buddhist leaving christian the period that ike turner beat her to senselessness for decades.

@Davidylan; « #5 on: Yesterday at 07:14:30 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 06:31:20 AM
^^^^^^ the gentleman davidylan traps himself;
i dont know about your allah. But i know that my Allah knows best. and i don't or know all or best, just like Jesus did not know best because he didn't know all. open your bibles and see deficiency of knowledge. it is classic.

i am in good company; Jesus and me do not know best or all. But only Allah for me, Ellah for Jesus knows best and all.


struggling hard to force islam into the bible again eh? Moooslims and their constant need to dribble themselves.[/Quote]you need to wean yourself from that stage of moma's breast milk. the question, it address situation of all mankind; was Jesus the only way to God, in the time of Moses in the exodus, or Moses the only way?

this is thinking reality 101. even pre-thinking reality.

[Quote]2. Where are these "non-muslims" who are killing muslims? I cant find them anywhere[/Quote]hypocrite, check iraq, if your heart is blocked for afghanistan.

i don't which one of the homes of family or people you love in nigeria that you want their enemies to blockade or partition their ancestral home as the 'israelis', your word is doing to the whole palestinians?

^^^^^^^^^^^ i copy.

i copied the fake gospel verses that are not from Jesus.

i also copied the not from gospel verses.

we are talking about Jesus, and nothing is coming from his lips.

right. i copy.

@Nuclearboy; « #7 on: Today at 11:05:58 AM »
[Quote]^^wise? My brother, no man is wise.[/Quote]if this your statement is correct, the bibles must lying because King Solomon was considered Wise.

i avoided using Jesus you will jump up that human is god.

@Nuclearboy; #37 on: Today at 01:10:19 PM »
[Quote]^^ Let us assume that truly, Christ was afraid. The record shows that He still went ahead as an obedient Son & fulfilled His Father's Will.[/Quote]Who is the wife, because every father must have a wife, unless there was adultery?



[Quote]Your own Koran agrees He went to the cross.[/Quote]Show me the verse in the Quran. I do know you can not.



[Quote]But suddenly and according to your storybook, allah became a deceiver and "lied" to the whole worlkd that Jesus was dead[/Quote]Show me the verse. Are you okay? If you are running temperature, may God make you well. Go laydown after you show me the verse.



[Quote] So allah couldn't save "his" prophet from pain, torture or death and had to lie (pdp godfather) and hide "his" prophet from mere humans?[/Quote]show me the verse.



[Quote]Grin this is proper "Fee Dee Fee, allah"

Was that because he\it cannot raise the dead just like he\it cannot save you from fire coming on your carcass once you die?[/Quote]Before Jesus, in the time of Musa [as] in Surah Baqarah, a dead man was raised up by merely touching him with part of a cow, so that he can tell his community that his cousin killed him for his inheritance.



[Quote]We Christians have a God who is glorified NOW and ALSO after death.[/QUote]Your god died? Astagafirullah. Glory belongs to Allah Who does not die.



[Quote]Even you need Him and His Name to give yourself a semblance of respectability. So even YOU glorify Him. But we want nothing to do with your Arabian allah, god of Mo's father, slave of 1 out of 360. If Mo had chosen "aruba", that would be what you bow to now, ehn?[/Quote]Nuclearboy is doing Jibjabbing. it does not make sense. Please get out of the nuclear plant, sometimes.



[Quote]Bow down your head and knees, Bingo, and worship the God that you use to make yourself seem credible and without which you are naught but a insult to existence. No make me vex this morning O[/Quote]I know you are giving me oriki, your abule style. Not to worry. I will not make you vex. Reality is biting you. Vex you will.

i will now settle down to read because a more competent man is here to take the mantle.

@Frosbel: « #31 on: Today at 12:26:21 PM » I am grateful to Allah for His Mercy over Muslims. Yesterday, you opened a big Thread, became very boastful of the little thing you put together from David Wood. Allah gave me strength to tackle it. Then overnight, He sent His slave, Lagosshia to assist another slave, me. And today, you, Davidylan, etc are not using the words of Jesus to defend Jesus. is Jesus not the one in the Bibles who should know himself best, instead of Paul coming to his aids, as you posted below?:


[Quote]"And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing,in whose case the god of this world ( SATAN )  has blinded the minds of the unbelieving ( Muslims included ) so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God " - 2 Corinthians 4: 3-4

You keep exposing your ignorance of the word of GOD , reading the letter that provides no life and ignoring the spirit of the word.

"He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant--not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life." - 2 Corinthians 3:6

"But the eyes ( Mind of understanding ) of the wicked shall fail, and they shall not escape, and their hope shall be as the giving up of the ghost." - Job 11:20

Just to show how TRUE the Christian faith is, and what a personal relationship with GOD it is, without God's Spirit you will keep groping in darkness till you come to the light through the Spirit of GOD's revelation.[/Quote]Where is the word of Jesus in any of this? This is pitiful.



[Quote]But the Quran is just another story book that anyone can read and understand.[/Quote]so why can't you read it and understand it? You can get the meaning in your mother tongue, you know.