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A growth concentrated particularly on trade and agriculture would suggest substantial welfare benefits for many but the opposite is the case in Nigeria because the social welfare indicators have been slower than would be expected in the context of this growth. What was the impact of this growth on the citizenry within the period? Even if our growth is in double-digits, as long as the growth is unable to result to more job creation and poverty reduction, is anything but cheering!

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@last pope, na when you go begin get sense

[quote author=L.M Ayedun..]Mr. Take dat, hope you can see this? This is Nigeria, where nothing is impossible. Recruitment process can start and End within 24hours in Nigeria.
AAUA's management is more desperate than even the FG... Just wondering why.[/quote]You are wrong bro, and this news from Daily Post is outright misinformation. The school started its recruitment exercise in September. So they weren't recruited to replace the striking lecturers, they only recruited more teaching staff.


http://www.aaua.edu.ng/career/

http://getnaijajob..co.uk/2013/09/adekunle-ajasin-university-recruiting.html?m=1

berem: Seriously? You think every supporter of both parties were hired to promote their respective politicians? I am definitely not one of them. Trust me!

But you do not whine about political posts/threads gracing the home page. Those who constantly whine are the political hacks hired to promote politicians.

[quote author=Mazi_Omenuko]You guys whine about almost everything; from modship, to frontpageship, to GEJ-ship, to Buhari-ship, to APC-ship! Ahah!

Seun, please put a pricetag on the frontpage-ship. Anyone that wants to advertise his/her paymaster has got to drop something for the site admin or remain silent![/quote]Maxi, I agree with you. I believe it is mostly those who are political party(PDP and APC) agents and lackeys who whine about threads not leaving the Politics board for homepage. Since these people were hired to promote politicians(GEJ, Tinubu etc) and their agenda, I see no reason why Seun should not put a price tag on political posts that hopes to make the FP.

gedtalks: Yeah... Its just the beginning. They've not seen anything yet. The number of strikes done by ASUU in the past 15 years is unbelivable. And all of them boil down to one thing SALARY INCREASE.

I actually do not blame students that support ASUU 's comouflage of ''improve the status of Nigerian Universities''. Did Nigerian Universities just start getting bad. And by the way which is more important '' infrastructure or the quality of education? - I mean quality education without sorting and fvcking to pass. Can 50% of our so called naija lecturers compete academically/ intellectually with Ghanian lecturers. Do our lecturers read before coming to class ? Do they update their handouts or pass the same expired information in old papers from generation to generation ? If ASUU is actually concerned about the state of Naija universities, they would have started cleaning the mess from within by removing the bad eggs amongst themselves first. Open ur eyes Great Nigerian students.

This post does not make any sense!


This current ASUU strike isn't about 'Salary Increase'.


Our universities did not just start getting bad, I concur but should we then continue with the bad system or should we look for ways to put a stop to it? Which is why ASUU's demand for revitalization of the universities is important.

There is no association, group or organization where you will not find bad eggs mixed with the good ones. So there is no denying the fact that there are bad lecturers but the buck doesn't rest with ASUU. ASUU is only a trade union, it has no power to hire or fire lecturers. It is the university management that can hire lecturers, they can also query, discipline and fire bad lecturers. The ASUU chairman cannot punish licentous lecturers only a university management can do so, and who appoints the University heads/administrators(VC's, Pro-Chancellor and Governing Councils)? It is the 'GOVERNMENT'(the President for federal universities and state Governors for State universities). The rot starts and ends with Government(either Federal or State) depending on the institution!

Nigerian lecturers cannot compete 'Academically or Intellectually' with Ghanaian lecturers? Well, it is your opinion. Do you know what it takes to be employed as a mere graduate assistant in a Federal University? It means such a person would have graduated with a First Class and minimum of a 2.1. Do you know what it takes to bag a First Class in a Federal University? Lots of hardwork, perseverance and exceptional brilliance. These Nigerian lecturers you claim are not competitive or up to date Academically/intellectually, are the same ones many of our political leaders who starve our universities of adequate funds but loot our treasury to establish private universities where students pay good money 'hire'. And many of them who leave the shores of Nigeria gets hired by foreign universities. Are those foreign and private universities hiring lecturers who are not intellectually sound? Why are we always quick to condemn these academics, yet many of those who condemn the lecturers are themselves not intellectually sound?

If the Government fulfills its promise of annually funding the universities for 4 years to the tune of N1.2trillion, and the universities management make judicious use of what they are provided and build more hostels, lecture theaters/halls, equip the labs and improve on the infrastructural deficits, it is then you will see the 'Gains of this strike'. If ASUU did not embark on strike action, the Government wasn't prepared to inject more funds into our university system because almost all the top officials don't have children in public universities.

[quote author=L.M Ayedun..]You have your point and
I respect your opinion Bro.
You are more reasonable.[/quote]Its all good bro!
In fact, I made a mistake which I already modified. The school resumed on the 25th of November and the opening day for new lecturers was held the same day. There was no way the university management would have known how many of the striking lecturers was going to turn up for work on the 25th of November(the resumption day), so they couldn't have planned on replacing them with the new lecturers who commenced their opening day on that 25th of November(resumption day).

[quote author=L.M Ayedun..]http://dailypost.com.ng/2013/11/28/ASUU-strike-aaua-begins-recruitment-replace-striking-lecturers/?[/quote]Daily Post is rather confused. The University resumed on the 25th of November. If the University was going to sack striking lecturers it can only happen when lecturers fail to turn up on the 25th of November. The opening day ceremony for the new lecturers was held last week monday which was on the 25th of November, it means the new lecturers were employed long before the 25th of November. The link you provided which reported that the VC had commenced recruitment was dated 28th of November. How can you commence recruitment when the university had already finished recruiting long before then?


this news Daily Post's is outright misinformation, the university commenced recruitment exercise(job advertisement) in September, long before the school ordered striking lecturers to return to work in November.

http://www.aaua.edu.ng/career/

http://getnaijajob..co.uk/2013/09/adekunle-ajasin-university-recruiting.html?m=1

It shows that the school only recruited more hands, and did not employ them to replace anyone.

[quote author=L.M Ayedun..]AAUA's management pulled out of the strike action before the FG ordered all Federal Unis to immediately reopen and even before the FG issued a deadline to the striking lecturers.
Few weeks ago, AAUA's management announced the automatic sack of any lecturer that failed to resume work and also last week or so, announced the start of their recruitment process.
Lastly, the AAUA's management (VC) is kinda desperate and not even working with the FG's deadline just like FUTO.[/quote]How can they start 'recruitment process' last week and from this report, the institution held its 'opening day ceremony for new academics' just last week. Recruitment process takes time, right from advertising the vacancies to the several interviews which will be conducted by the university management. The VC himself commended them for being found worthy of employment after 'Rigorous Interviews'.


*FUTO's VC already denied sacking any lecturer.

The university only resumed on the 25th of November, and can only sack the striking lecturers if they failed to resume on that particular 25th of November.
http://dailypost.com.ng/2013/11/21/ASUU-strike-aaua-pulls-out-of-union-orders-students-to-resume-on-monday/

If the university held its 'Opening Ceremony of a two-day orientation programme organized by the Institution for the new academics' last week monday(25th of November), that is the same day the school resumed. It is impossible that the school recruited the new lecturers to replace the striking ones, because as at 25th of November(resumption date), the school wasn't sure of how many lecturers would turn up for work in order to decide on recruiting new lecturers to replace them and for the institution to hold its opening day for the new academics on the 25th November, it means the school must have concluded the recruitment process long before the 25th of November, so they were not recruited to replace striking lecturers. The story from Daily Post doesn't add up. Its more likely the institution only recruited 'more' lecturers.

The VC also 'commended them for being found worthy of employment after rigorous interviews'. It shows that the recruitment exercise started long ago(anyone familiar with recruitment process would know it takes a long time), making it doubtful that the were recruited to replace the striking lecturers.

eGuerrilla: I wonder what Dragon Surveillance and Consultancy Services have to say about the picture lifted off its website: http://www.dragon-surveillance.co.uk

You be confirm e-Detective

[quote author=Ile-Ife]Allow them. [/quote] . Me sef go bring picture of Jonathan in his official car and claim that the car is 'reportedly worth' N1billion with nothing to support the claim!

The picture showing him in the one of the vehicles paying toll is an old one. This is a recycled news sponsored by those who want to make justification for a minister's acquisition of N255million cars. Those spreading this 'unsubstantiated allegation' of Fashola's acquisition of two bulletproof vehicles for N600million are yet to produce proof(transaction documents-sales invoices, delivery notes and attestation documents) to support their claims. Abi SR no produce documents to back up the allegations against Ms. Oduah? @OP, Please 'Do the Needful' by supplying us with proof!

Wallie: It is obvious that Nigeria took a turn for the worse when compared to other countries, which is what the rankings show. However, when looking at the raw scores, where 0 means that a country is perceived as highly corrupt and a 100 means that a country is perceived as very clean, in a 6-year time span we've mostly stayed flat and we had our highest score of 27 in 2008 and 2012.

Can anybody guess the major changes that occurred during 2007 and 2011?

2013 Rank 144/177 Score 25
2012 Rank 139/174 Score 27
2011 Rank 143/182 Score 2.4 (24)
2010 Rank 134/178 Score 2.4 (24)
2009 Rank 130/180 Score 2.5 (25)
2008 Rank 121/180 Score 2.7 (27)

I tried to get the data through 2000 but it will require a lot more digging. Here's the link below for anyone interested in getting the data
http://www.transparency.org/cpi2013/results

The same thing I tried to explain to @karl marx!

^ Is full university autonomy not part of ASUU's demands? All your suggestions are in the 2009 agreement which the Government has failed to implement.

awodman: Withdraw from federation account...can you withdraw from Federation account without governors approval?..where governors part of the negotiations?

Though I agree with your view of a supplementary budget but pls leave fuel issue out of this..Fuel is far greater than any of ASUU demands because right now it is the foundation on which our economy stands including education

Is it difficult to bring state governors in? State universities are also part of the strike and they will benefit from the largess. The Presidency cannot access a huge sum like N200billion without the consent of the national assembly. Summoning state governors to Abuja and passing a supplementary appropriation bill to the NA can be done in a week except we don't have the money.



Fuel subsidy greater than improving our university education? Well, your opinion! Both are important and demands urgent attention

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awodman: Have you not heard about the Special Funds Accounts which is solely at the discretion of the presidency?..

Meanwhile if you insist that the money must be appropriated by NASS before it can be made available..then why is ASUU with supposed educated members insisting that govt must open this account and credit it within two weeks..If they know this simple fact doesn't it justify the position of govt that ASUU is been pushed?..

Also if you insist the money must be appropriated..then doesn't this show of proof by govt that the account has been opened and the modalities for disbursement is been worked out not enough for ASUU to call this strike off..or are you suggesting that this strike should be called off in 2014 when the budget must have been passed and signed by the president?

Pls you guys should stop shooting yourself on the foot

Government cannot withdraw from any 'Special Funds Accounts which is solely at the discretion of the President'. They will have to withdraw it from the Federation Account because state universities are also beneficiaries.


Don't play ignorance here bro! Haven't you heard of 'Supplementary Budget' before? Let the Government submit a supplementary appropriation bill to the NA and ask that it must be expeditiously passed within a week.

If you can remember, just two or three weeks to the end of 2012, Government submitted a supplementary appropriation bill of N162billion to the NA for payment of fuel subsidy and it was passed into law within a week without the NA debating it. Why is it difficult to do same with the N200billion universities' fund? Is it because the N162billion was for 'friends of Government' ie the cabal, and this N200billion for public universities revitalization is for the poor? It can be done!

Sincere 9gerian: That is absolute thrash. Why didn't ASUU get inputs from its state chapters before going into the meeting with President? Why didn't ASUU harmonize its position before going into the meeting with the president? The essence of the 13-hour meeting with the president was to resolve and agree on ALL issues. That essence is defeated if ASUU will be going back and forth like little kids.

Anyway, discussing this issue with you is like speaking to the deaf. You support this strike simply because it is in the political interest of Tinubu to continue the strike. I'm done with you.

Because you are beholden to politicians and shamelessly sing to them for your daily bread, you automatically believe that others are just like you. You are not interested in the state of our university system, yours is just to praise sing politicians. Isn't that why you abandoned your 'medical profession' to become a paid professional griot?



ASUU did not get inputs from their members before the meeting because they went into the meeting with the President insisting that Government must implement the 2009 agreement as earlier agreed.

It was during the meeting that Government proposed the payment of N1.2trillion revitalization fund and also proposed that the 2009 agreement should be reviewed in 2014. These were new propositions from Government and ASUU leadership had to inform their members, and after their NEC meeting they agreed to the FG's propositions subject to the FG signing an MoU.

#why is Government reluctant to sign the MoU?

Sincere 9gerian: Maybe you re-read my post very carefully. During the president's 13-hour meeting with ASUU he proposed that both parties should have an MOU signed. But ASUU objected to this request from the president. How come the issue of MOU is now a reason for the strike to continue?

Read my post again. ASUU leadership cannot unilaterally decide to sign an MoU without consulting their members! They are not PDP or APC, ASUU practices internal democracy. You are aware that they had to vote in their NEC meeting before agreeing to call off the strike subject to the FG agreeing to their conditions/resolutions. While addressing the Press after the meeting with the President, ASUU chairman told the press that he would consult members and get back to Government. Government should sign the MoU as a sign of good faith and let students get back to school.

awodman: Please those who are conversant with how CBN operates should help explain this...Can an account be opened in CBN be opened without paying in a dime? As the custodian of the country's finances doesn't it mean that opening an account in CBN is equivalent to assigning a certain amount from the nations's purse to that account?..or does it mean that if an account is opened in CBN then it will be empty and the money will be sourced from whr?

Have we(NASS) appropriated money for such? Can the FG or CBN unilaterally credit the account without appropriation? No.

Sincere 9gerian: Tinubu dogs are ready to give up their life to see this strike continue because of POLITICS, nothing more. I just admire the patience of this president in tolerating all these nonsense.

After the 13 hours meeting with the president, the president proposed to ASUU that they should have an MOU on all the areas agreed by both parties and that the MOU should be signed by both parties. But ASUU leadership refused this proposal but rather said they preferred a letter of comfort from the govt on what govt has offered so they can take the letter to their state branches.

Part of the agreement reached after the 13 hours meeting with president was that ASUU will call off the strike within one week. But over 3 weeks after, the strike has still not been called off and now the same ASUU that rejected an MOU in front of the president has now made MOU one of the reasons it has not called off the strike.

ASUU has failed to call off it strike within one week as they agreed with the president, but ASUU is asking the FG to pay N200 billion which the govt promised to pay this December. Notwithstanding that ASUU failed to keep its side of the agreement, FG has kept its side of paying N200 billion into an account.

See all the first in the ongoing ASUU versus FG face off:

1. GEJ is the first president to sit with ASUU in a negotiation

2. GEJ is the first president who on his own set up a committee to go round and assess the infrastructural decay in our universities. This was called the NEEDS assessment.

3. GEJ is the first political leader to sit with labour unions in a 13-hour meeting.

4. GEJ is the first president who has to release funds before a strike is called off. In the past, once an agreement is reached, labour unions call of their strike.

5. GEJ is the only president that had to make 3 different offers to ASUU and yet the strike has not been called off. The FG committee headed by governor Suswan made the first offer, that was followed by the offer by the vice president of Nigeria and then the last offer was made by the president himself.

Despite all of these efforts, the strike is still on.

So what are the "sins" this president that he has to be treated differently from past presidents? His only "sin" is where he comes from, nothing more. This is very unfortunate for our country.

When all the chips are down, rabble rousers, ethnic stooges, hired guns and mercenary interests usually play the ethnic card to attract sympathy. Many of the striking lecturers are from the SS and SE. Most of the striking lecturers are students(post graduates) and many of them have children in public universities so they are also affected. How many of our political leaders are affected?


ASUU is a union that practices internal democracy, ASUU leadership does not have the mandate to sign an MoU without first consulting their members.

You claim the FG paid N200billion into the account, yet Government did not produce an evidence of payment rather they produced a memo or circular that only shows that an account has been opened.


If GEJ is the first President to sit with ASUU in a meeting, it is no big deal. That is part of what he was elected to do. Solve Nigeria's problems.


Yes, GEJ did set up the NEEDS assessment committee in January 2012 and the findings of the committee detailed the parlour state our universities are in. And Like every other committee reports/recommendations submitted to this Government of Commitocracy, did GEJ act on it since then? Why did he wait for ASUU to embark on strike more than a year after before coming to the realization that we must inject funds for the revitalization of our universities? Why do Government wait for unions to go on strike before deciding on doing the right thing?


GEJ sat with ASUU for 13 hours, any big deal? Is he doing the job for free? Why must we deify our leaders? So many parents and students do not know the name of the Minister of Education(Wike) all they know is GEJ who they elected. Because OBJ, Yaradua and others derelict in their duties, so we must applaud GEJ for doing what we elected him to do?


If Government feels that they have acceded to ASUU demands, why is Government reluctant to sign an MoU?

Sedition is an invalid law by international standards, it is not a 21st century law. The NA populated by idi0ts who are mentally deficient and lacking in the ability to deal with real issues and prioritize, ought to know that we already have similar laws in the Criminal Code Act and A competent court of law already ruled that sedition laws are unconstitutional because it infringes upon the Constitutional rights of every citizen to freedom of expression.

In 2001, Ghana repealed their sedition laws, UK in 2009 and many other democracies around the world.

Do we need "reasonable restrictions" to protect State security and Public order? Yes! Can we guarantee that the laws would not be abused, patently misused and misapplied? No! Using the laws as political tools; and using it to limit freedom of expression arbitrarily in order to silent dissent or criticism portend grave danger to our democracy and outweighs the benefits of the laws.

We already have legislative provisions that criminalizes incitement to violence and abetting an offence, waging war against the state, public mischief and defamation so why are the distinguished crooks debating a useless bill?

omenka: There is not a cent in that account and and the said evidence was back dated. If these were true why didnt that thugish minister present them at his last press briefing to justify his ultimatum? This govt think they are dealing with pipeheads here. Discerning mind can easily see through their lies and deciet. ASUU would make a huge mistake not getting that document signed by govt before calling off the strike.

You dey mind them? In the eyes of a public official like Okupe who is paid from the public purse to disinform the public, Nigeria is a Confederacy of Dunces.

ASUU knows what it is doing by insisting that Government must sign an MoU. Fo0l me once, shame on you; Fo0l me twice, shame on me.

abes: Okugbe only proved an account was opened, he didn't prove there is money in the account.

Okupe is so deceitful and thinks Nigerians are dunce. This is only an evidence that an account has been opened, it is not an evidence of payment. If they had deposited the N200billion why did Okupe not produce documentation/evidence of payment, that is so and so amount have been credited into the 'Universities Infrastructural Account'?


This isn't the first time the Government is employing this deceitful tactics of misinforming the public. In August, we were told that the Government had distributed N100billion as part of the intervention or revitalization fund to the universities;

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/fg-distributes-n100bn-to-59-universities/157047/

Only for the VC's to raise alarm seven weeks later that they have not received a dime from Government;

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/10/ASUU-strike-re-yet-receive-n100bn-fg-vcs/

Government should do the right thing, which is to deposit the N200billion into the account and communicate to ASUU and other parties involved with evidence of payment.

deletrue: Hello, pls check with CBN to confirm and call off the strike. This government has shown some efforts. Do not go to APC, the Boko harams, always ensuring that GEJ is down. ASUU should not meet them to seek another advice before doing the needful.

In a situation like this, shouldn't the CBN Governor publicly confirm that Government has indeed deposited the money?

Sodiq3: who told you FG is reluctant to sign the
MOU?.what FG is saying is why would ASUU wants the MOU to be signed by the AGF when we have the parm sec nd minister of edu..ASUU members are aware of existing protocols but they dnt want to follow it..

ASUU did not make it mandatory that it must be signed by the AGF, they said, 'preferably' the AGF. The SFG told the Perm Second of Ministry of Education to sign an MoU in January 2012 only for the Government to later reject it. All ASUU want is for a top Government official to do so.