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@TOH,

Despite all that googguy has said about the reason for this subject, you are still pushing your opinion down the throat of everybody.

While you are providing the said quote about asking Muki some questions, please don't leave out the insults you rained at others in the process. And never forget that while you were being made to see some truths about Muki's position, all you do again was rain down abuses.

If you are asked why muslims keep long beards, what would be your answer? Don't just tell us it is sunnah 'cos you have to explain the purpote of that sunnah as well.

@TOH,

Do you alwasy derail every thread you get involved with? I'm just curious. This topic went way off target since you came onboard.

allah and Muhammad are one and the same since a revelation always came when Mo was in dire straits about an issue.
So Mo sent himself. End of story.

I don't believe you are further from the truth. There were no witnesses at all regarding the visits of this 'angel Gabriel'. All the Bible Prophets had witnesses to their divine encounters.

@gbade.x,

TayoD's the pastor

I have no objection as long as I have the liberty to collect "special offerings" during the wedding.  

finally the much awited result is out but not without some raised eyebrows. for men to be more than women that is something to ponder about. hey look at the bright side for women it means more men for marriage, but on the men's part they have to search for a woman as they have been declared scarce by INEC

are you talking about INEC or NPC (National Population Commision)?

I wonder too o.

@babs747,

The brethren of Israelites (descedants of Abraham through Isaac) are Ishmaelites (descendanrs of Abraham through ismaelites. Jesus cannot be the prophet mentioned in deutronomy as he was an Israelite, otherwise it would have been “a prophet from among yourselves”

Are you unable to read now? I know you will never accept the truths revealed in other scriptures regarding Jesus as the one prophesied about in Deuteronomy 18:18, and that is why I provided the proof in Deuteronomy 18:2 which I now quote again: Therefore shall they have no inheritance among their brethren: the LORD is their inheritance, as he hath said unto them.. So are you saying among their brethren mentioned here in verse 2 also refers to Ishmael? I hope you are truthful enough to acknowledge that is not so. In any case, if the phrase in verse 2 refers to the 12 brothers of Isreal, why should the one in verse 18 means something else? And by the way, the Bible would have refered to Ismael as cousins. Search that word and you will find it is very well used in the Bible. I'm sure you know there is a difference between brethren and cousin.

Your Koran expressly says in chapter 34 verse 44 that Mohammed was sent to the unlettered, so why are you trying to prove he was sent to the people who were already lettered: the Jews? "We did not give [the Arabs] any previous books to study, nor sent them any previous Warners before you." (Koran 34:44). And isn't it said to the Jews that: "to you your religion, ?" Isn't that contradictory to Deuteronomy 18:18 which will imply that the Jews are to leave their religion and listen to what that Bedouin Prophet had to say?

And why should we have this thread closed when we are at the brink of a revolutionary scientific discovery. In all my scientific classes, no teacher, lecturer or textbook as gone to the extent of postulating that the beard is a sexual organ. Now that our knowledge is being expanded, someone is crying foul.

Abeg, I don't know about you guys, but I am still waiting for Pa Olabowale to give us more details. I'm sure there are a lot of men out there that'll prefer the growing of beards (a more natural alternative) to using viagra with all its side-effects.

I'm sure TOH will also have some information for dem guys and gals at the romance section courtesy of pa Olabowale. Who said we haven't learnt anything on this forum?

@4_Play,

Saddam presided over one of the most tyraniccal regimes in the 20th century which resulted in the death of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. During his reign of terror,the muslim world kept silent.He was still feted as a hero on account of his anti-american stance

Why are you trying to paint Sad-man-insane (I meant Saddam Hussein) in good light? Did you intentiaonally leave out the deaths the hundreds of thousands of Iranians?

While enough evidence has been adduced by you guys to confirm the delusions of the muslims that Muhammad is the Prophet refered to in Deuteronomy 18:18, I will like to put an icing on the cake by providing a conclusive evidence form the same chapter.
Deut 18:18 -I will  raise them up a Prophet from among their brethen, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

I will like us to focus on the phrase: among their brethen. Question is who does the Lord have in mind when He used that phrase? Was He refering to the 12 tribes and brothers of Isreal (Jesus lineage), or was He refering to their distant cousins through Ishmael (Muhammad's lineage)? The answer can be found in Deuteronomy 18:2 Therefore shall they have no inheritance among their brethren: the LORD is their inheritance, as he hath said unto them.

It is obvious to everyone who can read that the phrase refers to the 12 tribes of Isreal as used in the same context provided in verse 2. Levi was of particular interest in that verse but the phrase among their brethren was used to refer to the entire 12 tribes. Now how these Mohammedians can apply that phrase to the Arabian Bedoiun Prophet just beats my imagination. Talk about stretching the truth.

@TOH,

I'm glad you can recognise yourself for what you are. You were able to tell I was refering to you in my post to goodguy.

Why won't you fail to see our points when you just barged onto the forum, accused the Original Poster of having a hidden agenda, accused everyone else of self righteousness, and now trying to do some damage control.

Of course I'm impatient with B.S., especially those that are packaged in self-righteousness.  Even Jesus couldn't stand the self-righteousness of the Pharisees. He made it known in no glowing terms.

@opia,

8 Christian baptism is not for everyone. Jesus ordered his followers: “Go . . . and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you.” (Matthew 28:19, 20) Before being baptized, people must be ‘taught to observe all the things Jesus commanded his disciples.’ Hence, forced baptisms of those lacking faith based on accurate knowledge of God’s Word are valueless and contrary to the commission Jesus gave his true followers.—Hebrews 11:6.

Your argument falls straight to the ground when you read through the account of the baptism of the Ethiopian Eunuch in Acts Chapter 8. How much was he ‘taught to observe all the things Jesus commanded his disciples.’ before he was baptized? I will advice you to not go beyond that which is written as you will end up with traditions that make God's Word of no effect. What else will you say? That we have to fulfill all of Christ's teachings before we can be born again?

@godguy,

I admire your patience in trying to enlightene someone who feels the only reason why people ask questions is to ridicule others. Her self righteousness and holier-than-thou attitude even gave her the bravado to assume she knows the intention of the heart of others.

Her hypocrisy is glaring to all by her lack of condemnation of the other party's rightful questions about the faith of christianity. I tire for her B.S. It smells to high heavens.

Mukimuki babe,

ok . .you finally arrived
@tayod as long as you guys post with name calling especailly to Prophet MUhammad (saw) i wont reply . .
if you can post without name caliin then i'll reply . .

I've been busy all day and only had the chance to reply you now. Don't worry girl, you are always on my mind and in my prayers.

Isn't that an escape strategy again? Why don't you admit you have no clue to what is being discussed and move on from there. Or better still, why don't you ignore the so-called name calling and reply to others?

@Mukina2,

M4malik just provided a good foundation upon which to begin my dissertation. Just like him, I felt the need to clarify the fact that this allah preached by Muhammad is definitely not the Jehovah revealed to us in the Bible. So while I refer to Jehoveh as God in my responses, I will refer to Muhammad's master as allah in the spirit of clarity and unambiguity.

Just like Paul argued with the Romans, I will put forth a human argument just to meet you at your level and show you the unreliabilty of the foundation on which you have laid the confidence of your faith. When we are done with that, we will move on to teach spiritual things with spiritual words to the edification of those who through use, have exercised their senses to discern both good and evil.

1. Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) was raised illiterate, unable to read or write, and remained like that till his death. Among all his people, he was known as being truthful and trustworthy. Before receiving revelation, he had no prior knowledge of Religion or any previously sent Message. He remained like that for his first forty years. Revelation then came to Muhammad with the Koran that we now have between our hands. This Koran mentioned most of the accounts found in the previous scriptures, telling us about these events in the greatest detail as if he witnessed them. These accounts came precisely as they were found in the Torah sent down to Moses and in the Gospel sent down to Jesus. Neither the Jews or Christians were able to belie him regarding anything that he said.

Muhammad's purpoted illiteracy lends credence to the miracle of the Koran to those who have been deceived by this lie. There is absolutely no historical justification to believe Muhammad was unlettered. Many further hold on to this truth because of the Kora's epithet for Muhammad: an-nabi al-ummi , traditionally understood as meaning "the unlettered Prophet." As Kenneth Cragg and many others have demonstrated, an-nabi al-ummi should more properly be understood as "the Prophet for the unlettered" (that is, the Scriptureless), a translation consistent both with the grammar of the sentence as well as the Muhammad's view that the Koran is the revelation for a people without a sacred book: "We did not give [the Arabs] any previous books to study, nor sent them any previous Warners before you." (Koran 34:44).

On the other hand, it is highly unlikely for a successful merchant like Muhammad to be unable to read and write the receipts of his own business. He must have been able to read at least basic Arabic names, dates, goods, services - and, considering that many of his customers were Jews (another avenue for exposure to Judaism), he may even have had rudimentary skills in Aramaic.

And if we choose to ignore these facts, then there must have been one more trustworthy and truthful than Muhammad was who kept his books and ensured that Muhammad got the praise for being a truthful and honest, yet successful Merchant.  Such an one would be more entitled to be a Prophet ahead of Muhammad if we go by the yardstick of truthfulness being a pre-requisite for Prophethood.

To say that Muhammad never had any prior religious knowledge is an absolute rape of truth. For one, Muhammad grew up in the days when the Hanifs preached throughout Arabia the message of Monotheism with a firm belief in the after-life. Like Christianity, Hanifism was a proselyting faith whose ideology spread throughout the Hijaz. In fact, there exists a tradition recounting an astonishing meeting between Zayd, the Hanif, and a teen-aged Muhammad. The story was originally reported by Yunus ibn Bukayr on the authority of Muhammad's first biographer, Ibn Ishaq. While this appares to have been expunged from Ibn Hisham's retelling of Muhammad's life, M.J. Kister has catalogued no fewer than 11 other traditions that recount nearly identical versions of the story. In other words, apart from exposure to the religious pilgrims to the k'abba, Muhammad was well exposed to christianity and Hanifsm. Hear what Zayd the hanif said and compare to the Muslims confession of faith: "I serve my Lord the compassionate, that the forgiving lord may pardon my sin."

The Torah and the Gospel were not the only books copied by Muhammad, he also lifted some pages form the Jewish oral tradition and continues to prove himself to be a fraud. Why will the Christians and Jews believe him when they noticed he muddled up names, events and characters in his revelation called Koran.

@Thiefofhearts,

Dont refer to me as I was not talking to you. simple question ko, complex question, ni.
I like Mukina and I can tell that all this shit annoys her and I just wish she wouldnt give you wolves the time of day. Now move along and don't bother me with your selfrighteous bullshit.

You need to understand what a public forum is all about. It is not my fault to be in the light, it is just my choice. Masking your ignorance with insults does not make you right. How childish.

Unlike you, I do not believe in self-righteousness. Rather, I believe in the "gift of righteousness" which is also available to you in Christ Jesus. You have not provided Mukina2 with answers, rather you are encouraging her to stay away from discussions that'll enlightene her. So much for your liking Mukina - Hypocrite.

@Havila,

Good answer.  Someone almost broke my head years ago when I tried to point out this fact to her.

@Thiefofhearts,

Is there anything wrong in asking a simple question? You all have tried to make us believe that Islam is a religion of logic, yet you are afraid to lift up the practices to inquisitive light.

Mukina2 has every right to be bothered since she obviously has no clue why they do what they do. Perhaps our questions will get her to either educate herself better about her chosen religion, or make her understand the shallowness of the faith which she knows provides no path to her soul's salvation.

@Mukina,

@Tayod why must you pity me?

Because you are a blind follower of the blind. And as Jesus said: "If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit." Matthew 15:14.

How much time elapsed between the birth of Jesus and the visit of the Magi?

This is a tricky question. The answer is no longer than 2 years.  This is why Herod asked to kill all male babies 2 years and under!!!

My question: How many Magis from the east came to visit Jesus?

@Mukina2,

I shake my head for you, not in admiration, but in pity.

Mukina2,

It sure appears to me that though you are a muslim by choice, you really don't understand what your faith is about. You cannot tell us how your faith will lead you to sure salvation, neither can you articulate the reasons why you do what you do. Your soul is too important to leave to guess work. You need a sure anchor for that soul which Christ considered so precious as to give up his life for it.  Now you have the time, now you have the opportunity to accept salvation by faith in Christ Jesus. He said "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one can come unto the Father, but by Me."

Think about it Mukina2, in whose hands would you rather commit your precious soul? In Jesus who claims He is from heaven and is going back to heaven, or in Muhammad who was not sure of his destination after death? I don't know about you, but it appears there is only one choice of the two.

just wondering, can we brush our teeth with sand too?

Only if you do not plan to eat garri afterwards.

cleaning one's private parts with water.

Emm. Just wondering. Are the women also allowed to use sand in a situation where water is not available? Or is this the exclusive preserve of the men?

@babyosisi,

So you plan to work? I thought you'd stay on the moon for ever!

There is nothing like the WILL of the people in Theocracy.

At least you admit the killing is done by Iraqis themselves and not the U.S.

Secularity does not imply the absence of religious friction.

But it means the State will not take the side of one religion to oppress the other as we saw in the case of Saddam.

Are Iraqi Kurds, Sunnis and Shiites different nationalities?

You have obviously missed the point again. Thata section of the country has moved on only shows that the other sections are being bogged down through a reprisal and vengeful tendencies that they have imbibed. The Kurds have shown that democracy can and will work in Iraq as long a the parties invloved are ready to make it work.

It would be interesting to compare figures of how many Iraqis were killed during Saddam's regime with the number that have been killed as a result of George Bush's invasion of another independent state on spurious allegations

It would be interesting to compare how many people were killed by the U.S. Army (with greater fire power) to the number of people killed by the Iraqs themselves.

Can we still call you [b]Baby[/b]osisi or do we start refering to you as [b]Madam[/b]osisi?

Oh my God!!! Congratulations Babyosisi. Some bros will be wishing they had moved faster. That's great news. Enjoy the union.

Now that you are officially a Woman, I guess we'll be getting more visions and revelations from your end. Welcome to the Club!

@BigB1,

You easily forget that when things was being done differently with the oil for food programme, some U.N officials and other highly placed people in government were helping themselves to some kick-backs that rendered the purpose of the sanctions useless.

There was never going to be an easy solution to Saddam; same goes for Ping-Pong (or whatever the N Korean guy's name is), Ahmadinajad and the likes of them.

The U.N is all about talk talk. They asked Hezbollah to disarm as part of the cease fire, but what is happeuing now? Is Hezbollah disarmed? What is the UN doing? Only wishful thinking will make any one depend on the UN to enforce and carry out an effective and necessary action.

The U.S. and the U.K. will not be there for ever. In the mean time however, the U.S. and the U.K. have to stay back and help 'maintain' the mess that the occupation has been turned into.