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When civilians willfully use their homes as hideouts for terrorists who fire at the advancing armies of their foes, then they deserve what they get. If I may recall, Isreal actually sent out fliers to warn the civilian population to leave in preparation for their attacks. Now that is bending over backwards to minimise civilian casualties. Not that their enemies will do the same.

Osama may still be alive, but what a way to live! His freedom is completely taken away from him and he can not show his face in public. He is a prisoner and that is part of the punishment he gets for his role in terrorism. His end will be worse than those he killed on 911.

And can you please suggest how these criminals can be killed with no civilian casualties? Or is it that you believe the casualties can be minimised and a greater effort should have been put into seeing to this?

I believe the constitution is not very clear about this issue. Our constitution only says the VP must be in the same party as the president at the time of election into the Office.

Common sense dictates that OBJ should be more cautious in making categorical statements that are not expressly supported by the constitution. Besides, isn't the constitution clear enough by saying only the National Assembly has the power to declare the seat of the President or VP vacant?

You have only re-written the ten commandments. All that you have mentioned are still within the law. No matter how you try to run away from God, you show your folly by running towards Him. You can't do better than what has been done

Like Chris Okotie will say: "You can never run away from God, you can either run to His love or into His wrath. He is at both ends of continuum."

So is dialogue the way to appease Osama and his likes? If not dialogue, then what?

In a society where crime thrives, a government will usually tackle the issue in two ways. The first is arrest and punishment, and the second is to address the societal cause of the malaise. Same is true for terrorism. Seek and punish/kill the terrorsit, while addressing the other issues that makes some involve in terrorism.

@Donzman,

If you had taken the patience to read my post, you would have found out I said this in addition to my statement: There is no shame in it.

And you sure know how to make statements that have no factual antecedent. How can you claim to know many traders who are a million times richer than I am when you have no clue how rich I am.

My beef with this individual is in his attempt to tell us he is what he is unable to prove he is. By his fruits, I am sure he is not an Engineer that he claims to be.

@olabowale,

If you know, Architecture in a way is a fine art interpretation of Civil Engineering.

I wish you will stop speaking words that are without knowledge. You give the impression that our schools are not doing their jobs when you make statements like this. How can you say that about Architecture and Civil Engineering? Now I am more than convinced that you are not the Engineer you claim to be.

It seems to me that a number of you like your prophet, believe in doing evil that good may abound. You are the second muslim I am catching here that is making up stories about their credentials in order to butress an unsustainable point. First we have one calling himself a Comparative Religion Lecturer (please see Davidyland's definition of this), and now we have one calling himself an Engineer, but can't differentiate between science and engineering, as well as Architecture and Civil Engineering. Please come clean and just tell us you are a trader. There is no shame in it. Your lies can never propagate God's righteousness.

@mamaput,

Sound advice: Never go near a ruptured pipeline.

Question: Weren't innocent people affected by the blasts as well? I believe the blast took place in a dense population area. Some reports actually gave a head count of over 700 and still counting dead. May God help us in that country.

@bab747,

Yours is a lost cause it seems. Even with clear admonision based on scriptural references on how you are meant to read the bible, you still fail to follow that pinciple and you want others to be carried in the direction of warped logic that you have bound yourself.

Others, rightly following the more elementary principle of the Word in pointing out to you the nature of the Godhead through the enlightenment supplied by nature have also being ignored by you. Romans 1: 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

If you have failed to grasp it through such elementary teaching, then I fail to see how you will understand what I say, because I only compare spiritual things with spiritual. Since you are still tied to the earth through the First Adam, I will only pray that some day, you will go beyond that and lay hold of the Spiritual through the Last Adam - Jesus Christ. And just as I said before, some of my explanations are not really directed at you because they are more elevated than you can understand, rather they are designed for those whose hearts have being enlarged to understand the mysteries of the Kingdom of God.

u quoted the above for me as being the reason that made jesus to be God. if as a result of jesus saying that heand father are one made him tobe God, why not think and apply john 17v21 too, maybe it will awaken you and stop uttering more blasphemous statement.

You remind me of those Pharisees who also accused Jesus of balsphemy for claiming Himself to be God. I'm alsways so thrilled when this kind of situation arises, it tells me that I must be having the same effect on you as Jesus had on the religious people of His days. That is a very good thing as it tells me I must be witnessing Him in the right way.

@olabowale,

@TayoD: I am very shocked that you and Havila are backslapping each other! Shameful is this attitude. Considering that you are an Engineer! Is there any trial and error in the final product of any engineering field? Unlike medicine, where they could try this drug or therapy or process and see if it works. You have to wake up from your slumber of blind faith, man. Common. Are you for real! A man is approaching a matter with clear LOGIC, you have a problem with it. The way you explain away is by blind faith? How can you an Ijebu be in this funk! You can do better. Please think.

Mmm.  Backslapping each other!!!  Na wa o.  What exactly are you trying to say here. You don't have to use big grammar that you do not understand. Just go by simple english. Remember the principle of K.I.S.S.

While I do not care for the personality of any man, I am beginning to wonder if your claim to being an engineer is genuine. How could a learned person make such an uneducated statememnt in comparing the science of medicine to engineering? Medicine, like engineering is not a trial and error affair! If you understand anything about engineering at all, then you will know that enginering is just applied science.  If you claim that the science is trial and error, what then will you call the application of that error.  

May I ask what field of Engineering you are in?  Maybe all you can discuss intelligently is just in that specific field and I can limit myself to discussing that with you.

What matter have you approached here with clear logic if I may ask?  Or who is my Antagonist on this forum that is dealing with logic? Do you digest the things you read at all before concluding that I am in christianity by blind faith? You got to be joking! I can see much more clearly than your prophet and I am thoroughly convinced of the reality of the faith in whch I stand strongly. No shaking, jesus is Lord!!!

Neither is terrorism the solution to "perceived" injustice. Our dear Professor sure forgot to mention that bit.

America may not be in Somalia right now, but a lot, and I mean a lot of Somalis have been relocated to the U.S. as refugees of the war.  Can you please tell me what other countries are doing?

What benefits does America gain from this except that the tax payers have to foot extra bills to cater to the needs of these refugees who are by the way, mostly muslims. Do you still question the U.S.'s motives?

Thanks Havila. I am still sure the guy will come back with more questions. this time, i will refer him to your daughter

babs787,

You are still here? Can you for one just accept what Jeus said by declaring "I and my Father are One." If you do, do you still think the others verses are incomprehensible?

@Olabowale,

So are you an Engineer?  That would be great.  That means we have more in common than just being Ijebus. Afterall, we need to promote what binds us, and not just what separates us into Sheeps (Christ believers) and goats (Unbelievers).  And I only hope you are not making that up like someone on this forum who calls himself a University Lecturer of Comparative Religious Studies but unable to spell Hebrew. You cannot be a serious student of the Bible and not even know how to spell Hebrew which is a Book in the New Testament.  So much for Primary 2 drop-outs that hide behind the internet to claim to be what they are not!!! 

I do not blame you, afterall, it is the same you and your Christian brethrens, who claimed that your God was born, having to have a beginning. It is the same you that your God died, having to have an end. It is the same you that said that your God, before his experienced living in the earth, he did not know the nature of mankind. So he had to come to learn about this and experienced it. This takes him off the list of All knowing and Omnipotency. Your god, the Bible Jesus, eat, tired, slept and slumbered, was tempted by Satan, the accursed and prayed to God the Almighty at the garden of Geshemenee, beginning that a trial that he was groomed for in the first place, having the full knowledge of this trial, now began to beg that he be spared of its experience before it even began! Tell me, Pope or Archbishop Havila of Ekiti Parapo, is this the quality of a believer, knowing fully well that a prophet has higher believing quality that ordinary believer and you people blasphamed and call that 'disbeliever' God the Almighty!?

We do not claim anything Mr Olabowale. I'm sure you realise that Christianity is regarded as the Great confession. All we do is believe what is written and speak it out in faith. If you are going to have any beef, please do that with David, Isaiah and the other prophets whose words we echo. These are the authors of the same Torah, prophets and Gospels that your allah claimed to have sent down.  Here are some of the words witten down:
Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?
Psalm 2:7 - I will declare the decree: F6 the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Psalm 110:1 - The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

@Seun,

Why does God feel the need to present himself as multiple personalities? Why can't he just be himself?

The answer is simple and complex at the same time. Simple in the sense that God cannot have come to the earth in His full glory. Everyone will die if they behold Him. Even in Heaven no one can look at His face. When He came to mount Sinai, every where was thundering and quaking and the Children of isreal were fearful and wouldn't have anything to do with Him. For Him to be able to relate to us in a way we can understand, he has to come down to our level. Imagine a Professor need to teach his 4 year old kid some truth without coming down to that kid's level. The kid will only end up confused the more.

Secondly, the Bible says the earth has God given to the sons of men. It takes man to wield authority on earth and that is why God has to come in human form to be able to wield God's authority to the fullest. The devil will also make use of this principle when the anti-christ comes. Look at John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. You can see that the reason why Jesus can wield authority on earth is because he is the Son of Man.

I have tried to simplify the answer, but that is basically two reasons I can think of for now.

@babs787,

You are just dancing round in circles. God has always talked to God. The Book of Genesis records God talking to Himself in teh unity of the Godhead saying: "Let Us, "

David records a conversation betwen the Godheads in Pslam 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool

In Hebrews we see the anointing of Jesus and a conversation between the Godheads again in heaven: Hebrews 1:8-11 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness F3 is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;

There are many more conversations like that and Jesus praying to His Father while on earth is no different.

Of course, we are one as Christians. There is only one body of Christ: The church. There may be many parts, but only one body. Theis is well taught in the New Testament.

@mrpataki and davidylan,

Uhmmmm, comparative religioin study lecturer, Another modernised-Decemer 2006 updated name for an Arabic/Kewu teacher!

mrpataki, kindly allow the use of this term in the compedium of nairaland's vocabulary to be compiled by Davidyland.

@babs747,

Whuile you may be confused by all thsoe verses, WE are absolutely not. Not only are you trying to understanding by logic what the bible declares can only be understood by faith, you are definitely on the wrong path when you try to explain a scripture only by that scripture.

I picked up a book yesterday to read.  It is titled "Mystery of the Ages" by Herbert W. Armstrong.  Reading through the Preface, the guy just echoed the same sentiment that I submitted regarding your reading of the scripture.  Here is what he has to say as regards the Bible: I learned, in this night-and-day study, why it is the most misunderstood book, even though it is the world's best-seller. the full explanation or truth of any one subject is seldom made complete and clear in any one passage.  Other portions, factors, or phases of the subject are usually contained in one or several other passages in other parts of the Bible either in the Old or New Testament. A true and full understanding of this subject is profitable only when these perhaps several other passages, scatterd throughout the Bible, are put together.  He also says in another place that: The Bible needs no interpretation because it interpretes itself. This becomes clear when one sees the various scriptures of each subject properly put together, as the Bible itself says, "here a little, and there a little" (Isa. 28:10).
So babs787, you cannot read the Bible the way you are reading it and expect to understand it. You want me to explain a passage to you while not comparing scripture with scripture. If I do that, I will only end up as confused as you are. Rather, I gave you an assignment to read up the entire passage but you came up listing more scriptures from wherever you downloaded them.

from the explanation u gave to the issue of woman to man, why don't u apply same to issue of christ and God since it refers t the same statement.

Are you under an influence that is unable to make you assimilate the things you read? Of course I applied the same principle between Christ and the Father. I said Christ has submitted His will to the Father's just as every wife is meant to submit her will to her husband, not because the husband is better or greater than her, but just so as to fulfil a divine requirement.

The answer to ALL the questions you listed are found in the in Jesus' words in John 10:30 - I and my Father are one.

babs787,

Since you are unable to understand my simple explanations, can you just go through the entire chapter of 1 Corinthians and tell us what you understand by it. That way, I can begin to understand your elemenatry reasoning and accord you such consideration in my future replies.

And by the way, the Bible can only be understood in line with other scriptures. So telling me to explain a passage to you without referncing relevant scriptures is a mere waste of time. If you choose not to read the bible in the way it admonishes you to, then you are just wasting your time opening those sacred pages.

He is my man above all else. I just hope Nigerians will not be too timid to vote for a necessary change that Okotie epitomises.

@babs747,

I have said before that you cannot receive the things of the Spirit because they are spirituallt discerned, and you have proved me right in your following post. In any case, I stand by what I said that the passage talks about authority as a consequence of marriage. Man is head over a woman (only as in marriage). You are not head over every woman you come across, rather you are head over your wife. If you can't understand that, then you will never understand anything else.

if as a result of what jesus said made him to be God, then go through the verse below too.

What Jesus said did not make Him God, rather He said what He said because He is God. Your confusion with regards to the baby born to Mary should dissapear when you read the scriptures that says in Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: That baby is the vessel that carried God and that vessel was annointed with the Oil of Gladness at the resurrection. This also I have explained before and you obviously dont understand.

You also wonder who Jesus was talking to. The answer to that I also shared with you earlier from Psalm 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. This is just one of the few scenarios where we see a conversation between the Godhead even before Jesus came to earth. Now this conversation was recorded by David, whom your koran refers to as God's Caliph in 2:30 and 38:26. Unless you wish to tell us that the one whom your allah claims to be God's trustee or vice-regent on earth does not know what he is talking about.

So if a conversation could take place between the Godhead while in eternity, nothing keeps the same from happening while the Son was on earth within that body. I hope you know that prayer is essentially a conversation between two parties.

@davidylan,

Please go ahead and use it.  Perhaps I should have also mentioned that I got that understanding from "The Last Outcast" - The book by Rev Chris Okotie.  Have your read it?

@onikunkewu,

You are not serious ok

Is that the best you can offer to explain your lack of ability to spell "Hebrew"?  Even my 8 year old niece will spell that word correctly and you claim you are a lecturer? 

Na wa o.  No thanks to the internet, a Primary 2 school drop-out is now arrogating unto himself the sole honour of being a Lecturer. Dream on onikunkewu, dream on.

Since you refer to yourself as a scholar? Can you please answer this question that your fellow muslims have been unable to answer so far? Will you consider the koranic verse in 5:32 that says: "And for this reason, we ordained for the children of Israel that whoever has killed a single human without just cause, it is as if he has killed the entire humankind." which was lifted from the Jewish oral tradition (Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin, 37a.) as plagiarism? How many more of such intellectual copyright violation can be found in the Koran? Don't you consider it deceitful to copy a source without referencing it while making us to believe that one Angel jibril revealed it to you? Answers please.

And when you claim there is one one koran as against the Bible, please tell us which koran it is you are talking about. Is it the Qu'ran compliled by Abu Bakr or the one compiled by Uthman.  Better still, could it be the versions that Uthman gathered together and burned because they differ significantly from the ones he had?  Please tell us which one was really from Muhammad.    This same question have I asked from your fellows without any answers. I guess you will also side-step the questions with more 'igbe' of "You are not serious ok"

babs747,

Your problem is that you have chosen to interprete the Bible in an unbiblical way. To read the scriptures, you have to learn to balance scripture with scripture. In your case, you have done exactly what the Bible admonishes us to avoid: "Do not go beyond what is written." - 1 Corinthians 4:6.

I have told you to read that scripture in the context of the entire chapter to derive the whole meaning, but of course you choose to wallow in your own self-deceit. While there may not be much room for thinking in Islam, there is abundant room for doing that in Christianity. We are at liberty to think through a scripture according to the way the Bible admonishes us to do it: Isaiah 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

If you were someone gifted with insight, I would go further to explain these verses to you in line with the revelation in Genesis, but of course it will only be unprofitable to you. However, for those who have received the mysteries of God, I will explain further that which has thoroughly confused you as well as your prophet.

To begin with, the passage in 1 corinthians refers to a husband and wife situation and not a male to female issue. Being a man, I am not the head of any woman but my wife.  Infact, a technical look at the Bible reveals that only a maried male can be refered to as a Man, and only a married female can be refered to as a woman. If we keep this perspective, then we will begin to understand the mind of God when the issue of Christ is mentioned.

In Genesis, we are told that God created mankind in His image, and to accomplish this, mankind was created as male and female. The logical question to ask is: so what is the image of God? We will find the answer in 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. In other words, marriage was established by God to point to His Christ! Anyone with biblical understanding will know that the Bible refers to a husband and his wife as ONE. To those who are doing mathmatics, they will say that is not possible since 1+1=2 which is true. But we understand that the Bible is not talking about one plus one, but rather ONE IN ONE which is ONE. 

Understanding also that Christ, though seemingly a different personage from the Father is the same one and only God within the same Godhead.  So the trinity is not about 1+1+1=3, but rather it is about 1 in 1 in 1 = 1..  Hear directly from Jesus in John 14:11 Believe me that I am IN the Father, and the Father IN me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

I have cut the explanations short knowing full well that those who care to know will study the scriptures to understand the fine prints. But as for you babs747, the mystery of Godliness will NEVER beunraveled to you until you begin by asking the question: What can I do to be saved? When you have received the gift of salvation then will you be among those of whom it is written: "Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, " Luke 8:10

@Donzman,

My views on the conflict were arrived at when I realized that Isrealis lost the land close to 2000 years ago and suddenly wants to take it back because Europeans were feeling guilty over the Holocaust. I realized that I'll do the same thing the Arabs are doing if somehow America decided they should divide Nigeria and give one part of it to AA's because they're from this region and were sold 300 years ago. I'll fight with my flesh and blood because land is mine, who cares about what happened 2000 years ago?

You are obviousbly not thinking through your responses. Could you please tell us who drove the Isrealites out of their land some thousand years ago as you claimed? Are you aware that not all the jews were taken captive? do you know some of them still lived in that land and never left? Are you aware that the Jews' desire to have that land back dates back before the time of Christ?

Who are the so-called Palestinians now? Where did they come from? Are they the same people who drove Isreal out of that land? If they were, then will it be right for the Jews to take it back from them? Will the people who drove the Islrealites out of that land be in their right mind to return it to them? These are a few questions that you need to answer. If you do, I am sure you will not write down the above statement.

This is mere duplication of another topic: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-33222.0.html

My vote, whether it counts or not is on Okotie. The reason being that he appears to be the only one who knows what he wants and is not ready to compromise. Negotiate, yes, compromise, No.

Thanks mrpataki,

I have told the guy over and over again that the scripture talks about authority, but hopefully repeatition might be the key to him learning.

@olabowale,

We have no fear of anybody shining light on Christianity. When you shine a light on the sun, what effect does it have? On the other hand, when light is shone on darkness, the resulting effect is a "world wide day of anger", burnt embassies and flags, suicide bombings, issuing of fatwahs along with many more vices.

Jesus was called worse names while he was here and he has made us known from scriptures that in the last days there will be mockers and the rise of false science that contradicts itself. You may be troubled, but we are at peace knowing the reality of our faith. I don't know howlong you have been in the U.S., but if by now you do not understand that not all whites are Christinas, then you must be dafter than I thought. Let national Geographic make as much fun as they want, they will answer to God, and not to suicide bombers. I guess that is the difference between both faiths. While Christianity leaves judgement to God, allah is powerless unless his followers engage in armed conflict for him.

@onikunkewu,

"Repent the kingdom of God is at hand"

Arent you confused? Now you are quoting the Bible word for word. You guys are in the wrong religion o.

@babs787,

1st Corinthian 11v3: but i want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is her husband and the head of christ is God.

I have said in my earlier response that you will not understand the scriptures even after explaining it. The scripture there is talking solely about authority.  It is plain and simple. If you care to read the entire chapter, it goes on to explain the fact that a wife should be subject to her husband though the man is not better than the woman, neither is the woman better than the man.  Even the verse you quoted summarises this by including the relationship between the husband and the wife in expressing the relationship between Christ and the Father. 

Again, I doubt if your elementary reaosning will make you see this point, though very glaring to all who read it.

While I have answered your question AGAIN, can you please answer mine?  Here it goes again: can you please explain to us why a part of the Jewish oral tradition (the Mishnah) was lifted word for word and included in your Koran?  Do you realise that the koranic verse in 5:32 that says: "And for this reason, we ordained for the children of Israel that whoever has killed a single human without just cause, it is as if he has killed the entire humankind." was lifted from the "Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin, 37a. So much for Muhammad's inability to read or worse still, the divine inspiration of its source.  I doubt the real Angel Gabriel will be involved in plagiarism!!!"