₦airaland Forum

@olabowale,

Here we go again. You only need to preach the fear of hell to those in your community who are blind followers of the blind - Muhammad.  He was not sure what Allah will do to him and yet asked you all to follow him.  How foolish can a billion people be?!

In any case, your empty words are devoid of any answers to the legitimate questions raised.  Like your Prophet, all you need do in trying to settle contradictions is to manufacture what Allah says to contradict the positions of those you oppose.

You are indeed a good follower of Muhammad.  He manufactured revelation to justify acquiring more wives than the four he limited your sorry asses to.  He also manufactured revelation to clear Aisha of marital infidelity that the whole community knew she was guilty of. Keep following in his footsteps so that at the point of death, you will be quivering with fear of not knowing if in his mercy,  Allah has decided to use you as the next fuel for the fires of hell.  Afterall, he has promised to fill hell with jinn and men.

If you retrace your steps however, our God said He does not delight in the death of any man but that all should repent and come to the saving knowledge of Him. So choose you this day olabowale. Do you choose to follow him who knew not where he is going (I will certainly bet with you that he is in hell now), or would you go with Him who says: "I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live". John 11:25

@Omot208,

You reason like a mere man. Learn to compare spiritual things with spiritual. You have put forth a purely human argument that reminds me of 1 Corinthinans 1:21 Since God in his wisdom saw to it that the world would never find him through human wisdom

@Olabowale,

Beard enhances sexual prowess

Can I give you some advice sir! Quickly go register this mother of all findings as an intellectual property with the relevant body. Do you know sexual prowess enhancement is a multi-million dolar industry in the world today? Infact, all you need is to go gather to yourself, a number of clean shaven men who are sexually challenged. Get them to grow their beard over a period of time and prove to the world the difference the beard brought on their sexual lives.

You will also be doing a lot of men some financial good as I believe such an option will be cheaper than the Viagra that a lot are using today. Come to think of it, maybe it is this same beardlessness that is the source of barreness and childlessness in many homes today. Olabowale, you are a genius. Thanks to you and your bearded Prophet, we now have the solution to sexual timidity in some men.

Hey guys, we need to start a radio jingle to open the eyes of the world to this findings. We musn't keep this good news to ourselves alone.

Mr Olabowale,

What role do the beards play in reproduction that it has to be regarded as a secondary Sex Organ?  Do you or that professor know the meaning of that phrase.  Do you ever question the things you read or you just accept everything even when it doesn't make sense.

I believe you have now reduced this thread to a jocular one.  Mr Seun, please transfer this topic to the Jokes section.  This one pass me.

Now this is turning into a comic strip.]

Otunba Olabowale, are you trying to conjur up some humor by linking the hair on samson's head to your beard and subsequently your prophet's sexual perversion? I am getting ready for a good laugh.

@olabowale,

When you have the real Bible, then we can discuss it and compare it side by side topic by topic with Qur'an.

perhaps you need to ask your allah to answer this question for you. he is the one that seems to have misplaced copies of the Gospel, torah and the Prophets he calims he sent down. What a careless deity that is. I hope he gets to be more careful with the souls of his followers. as for me, I cannot entrust my soul to him.

I am not surprsied by the side by side comparison you plan to do. Even your Allah plagiarised some Jewish oral tradition which he pit down into the koran withouf acknowledging the source. Or could it be that Abu Bakr left out the footnotes that allh provided when he was compiling the koran? Or maybe the footnotes are in the oroiginal copies of the koran that he gathered and burnt because they differ significantly from the one he sanctioned. Questions begging for answers.

@Donzman,

Please carry your ignorance commot for here. Who tells you Allah and Jehovah are the same? Even when you call George Bush, one has to find out if it is the senior of junior. whn you call Allay, we need to find out if it is the one with a small letter 'g' or the capital letter 'G'. The muslim allah is not same as our Jehovah, and it is an isult to our God to compare Him to an idol venerated in the kabba long before Mohammed came to live in the sandy dunes of the Arabia.

babs747,

Are you for real or are you just acting up this display of base intelligence?

Havila has articualted truthful facts to you which he backed up with adequate refernces from the Bible and you are still asking for references?  How intellectually lazy can one get.

Why should we go back and read up a book which has obviously confused you?  You have read the book and unable to articulate any good point and you want us to go waste our time in reading it. Are you asking us to go read up and explain what you do not understand?

Your threats to come up with points is just getting boring by the day.  It is obvious you are confused and are going back to try and see what else you can get your hands on to support your losing position.  While you are at it, please pick up a Bible and go through Havila's responses.  I support his submissions 100%.

@babs747,

1st Corinthian 11v3: but i want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is her husband and the head of christ is God.

The scripture you have above is that of authority.  I have said before that while the man may be in authority over the woman, he is not in essence a greater or better being than she is (Never mind Muhammad's balderdash that women have less intelligence than men).  It is only sensible and according to the Godhead's divine plan that final authority is left with the Father.  It is like the story of creation where we see the plurality of the Godhead in the pronunciations: "Let Us, ".  In the creation of the woman however, we find the Father saying "I will, " showing that He kind of stepped-out from the unity of the God-head to create the woman based on His will. Jesus on the other hand always subjects His will to that of the Father as we see in the garden of Gethsemane.

So while I have provided an explanation which I doubt you will understand, can you please explain to us why a part of the Jewish oral tradition (the Mishnah) was lifted word for word and included in your Koran?  Do you realise that the koranic verse in 5:32 that says: "And for this reason, we ordained for the children of Israel that whoever has killed a single human without just cause, it is as if he has killed the entire humankind." was lifted from the "Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin, 37a."  So much for Muhammad's inability to read or worse still, the divine inspiration of its source.  I doubt the real Angel Gabriel will be involved in plagiarism!!!

What a defence strategy by Hezbollah!! Hide behind women and children while firing your katyusha rockets. When you are hit, blame Isreal for not knowing better than to fire at the position where they are being fired at. Bravo to their military genius.

@TeeHay,

While your reasoning seems genuine, I think I know where your understanding is short.  You have failed to realise during Jesus' ministry that he sometimes refer to Himself as the Son of Man, and atimes as the Son of God.  The former refers to His humanity while the later refers to His deity.  Those scriptures you refer to can be rightly applied to His humanity.  Concerning His deity, the Bible says "whose going forths have been from of old, from everlasting".  His humanity was actually born in the manger by Mary, as the scrioture says: "A body have thou prepared for me,  "  That is where the Catholics are wrong in refering to Mary as the Mother of God. No she is not, she is the mother of Jesus.  These are two separate things.  God cannot have a mother.

Going into the meat of the Word, we realise that His humanity was anointed to become deity after resurrection from the dead.  You will find the refernces here:

Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
Here we see a conversation between the Godhead in heaven, so it is not strange to find Jesus talking to His Father while here on earth.

@angelz,

Yeah, you're rait. Jesus is a God in d bossom positn of the almighty God. The bible talks of an almighty GOD - Jehovah & a mighty God - Jesus christ. Jesus made us 2 undastand that dia'l b a time he'l summit al authority 2 his fada. The bible @ corintians also said that when all creatn both in heavn n on earth had sumitd to the rulershp of Jesus, it'll b to d xceptn of his fada wu is greater dan him. D idea dt Jesus is prt of a trinity is nt biblical.

You are just dabbling into semantics which really means nothing.  Here is what Isasih as to say about Jesus:

Isaiah 9:6  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Jesus Himself said "My Father and I are one."
That Jesus is subject to the Father is just a sign of authority.  That a woman is subject to a man does not mean that the man is better than the woman, or more intelligent than her.  It is just an arrangement of authority and Jesus in His humility subjects Himself to the authority of the Father.  That was the same thing He did in the Garden of Gethsemane where He subjected His will to the will of the Father.

@Mckren,

TayoD that comment is not fair at all. The man Yaradua only started campaigning 3 weeks ago, Nobody has even heard his voice on National TV so Yaradua has not gotten better passion than anyone else. This is no failure on Duke's part, I think we should rather weep for our country for HOPE HAS BEEN DEFFERED

So the fact that Yaradua started campaigning 3 weeks ago now makes Duke's [osition right abi? Why are you citing an aberation to justify your position? I wonder where he plans to lead naija to when he has no vision. In the words of Femi Kuti: "I sorry, sorry o o, I sorry for Nigeria".

I wont be surprised if Okorocha becomes his Vice.

@olabowale,

@TayoD: Of course, there are many more sect in Islam. At the end of the day, there will be 73 but the true Muslim is the one that follow the guideline from Muhammad (AS), as he had explained Qur'an and his model in the Sunnah. However, the difference between Islam and Christianity is while Muslims obey God as strickly as they can, using Muhammad (AS) as the model of obedience and all actions. The Christians are saying that Jesus is God! So while Muslims pray and praise and supplicate and depend on God alone, christians hang on to Jesus, even seeing that jesus of the Bible was unable to defend himself from a handful of people in Jerusalem who were determined to kill him. Yet he yelled out, asking why his God forsook him. That yellinig out is a cap-out and amount to gross disbelive! We must know that the christian claim that he already knew that he will be hanged. Why could he stand firm and take it like a real trooper, a one who knew his mission already? In Islam, if anyone were to behave like that, groomed specifically for that mission and has complete clarity of the mission and all its difficulty, even in a secular enviroment, that is the behaviour of a sissy or low faith. This is why that you do not see any true muslim who is not aware of the coming of the hour. For sure muslims are not afraid of death and certainly not afraid to talk about it. Unlike christians and I can see why!

At least you have some understanding of what makes Christians differ from you guys.  In addition to our faith in Jesus, we believe that no man can be saved by good works though we believe in them. The Bible makes it clear that our righteousness are like filthy rags before God, so while you want to present filthy rags before the Almighty, we freely receive the righteousness that He has made available through faith in Christ Jesus.

What examples of Muhammad are you planning to follow?  Is it the fact that he limits marrying only four wives to his followers while he can have as many as he desires? If I were to follow any prophet, I will rather follow in the footsteps of one who is above all reproach: Christ Jesus.  He lived by the principles He layed down and not set a different standard for Himself.

Have you ever heard of something called a Rhetorical Question?  If you do, then understand that Jesus' question on that cross is a rhetorical one.  He later said on that same cross that "It is finished", refering to His work of salvation and accomplishing of all that was written ahead of His coming.  I guess that excludes the need for am imposter like Muhammad.

Who is afraid of death? Don't get me started at all.  For us, to live is Christ and to die is gain.  Unlike you guys that will kill others in the hope of an endless supply of virgins, we have proven over time that we will doe for our faith.  Perhaps you need to read the book "Fox's Book of Matyrs" to see how the early Christians mostly died for their faith.  We know the antecedents of Muhammad and his immediate followers who not only killed one another, but others as well.

Suratul Nur is very familiar with me. In adith, Imam Mahdi is spoken about. But like the way the Shia believes it. He was not a little boy who ran into a cave a long time ago with the Qur'an. We have the Qur'an with us, presently as it was revealed to Prophet Muhammad (AS) and learnt and committed into memory by the prophet and his companions (RA) Borrowing from my main man Havila, the muslims did not just 'CRAM' it. They used it for salah, ceremonies, in prayers and supplicate with it. There is an extensive exeges on every verse, as much as it is sufficient for the muslims then and later generations, including the last generation of man before man perish from the surface of the earth.  Islam is thorough and there is no ambiquity. I remember a muslim entry in one of topics that told Havila off, about his usual explanation of the Bible, twisting and trying to cajol us all to his brand of explanation. Havila is smooth, but all know that it is only on the surface and his explanation has no substance, so he can not convince anyone. He are smart enough not to be fooled by those who put a Millennium Baby Jesus in Diaper  in 1999-2000. He can not be fooled by those who did not know the season of the birth of their lord. You do not even know that your christman is a device of Nordic cold climate people, a device to have sometime other than sex to while away time in Winter!
TayoD, if you are a scholar of Qur'an and adith, I will not take any religious sdith from you, because you have the knowledge, but you lack the faith. Hence the knowledge is useless on you. It does not benefit you and it may be a causation for hell fire.

What Koran is presently with you? Can you please enlightene us?  Is it the Qu'ran compliled by Abu Bakr or the one compiled by Uthman.  Better still, could it be the versions that Uthman gathered together and burned because they differ significantly from the ones he had?  Please tell us which one was really from Muhammad.  

It is so intriguing to realise that part of the Jewish oral tradition (the Mishnah) was lifted word for word and included in your Koran.  Do you realise that the koranic verse in 5:32 that says: "And for this reason, we ordained for the children of Israel that whoever has killed a single human without just cause, it is as if he has killed the entire humankind." was lifted from the "Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin, 37a."  So much for the divine inspriational source of the koran.  In our day and age, Muhammad would have ben sued for copyright violation while not acknowledging its source.

So what more sayest thou?

@All,

Keep believing in fairy tales. Duke will never be nominated as the Vice President either. This is the only opportunity for the South-South to really push their course and strive for the Presidency. Do you think the South-East or the South-West will stay in the background in 15 years? I think not. Yaradua is a member of the same cabal that has held Nigeria in its grip from time immemorial. They are not letting go and Duke just bargained his opportunity for a morsel of bread.

Some of you are talking about Party loyalty. Why sacrifice the will of the people at the altar of partry loyalty? What good has PDP as a partry done for our country that will make any reasonable person exalt its interest abocve that of the nation? That is why I said Duke lacks the passion to be President. If he really has the driving passion and vision, he will go find a platform as required by the constitution and test his popularity with the people. But like others he will eventually settle for the role of a Minister. He sure has his price as someone said.

What happened to Atiku should have taught him a lesson that settling for the VP (which he wont get) his absolutely no guarantee for the Presidency, but of course, he really has no consuming passion to be the President.

The reality on ground today is that power will only be snatched from these thugs by one who is not like them and who is ready to sacrifice all for that goal. Duke certainly does not fit this bill.

@olabowale,

@TayoD: I am not saying anything about any group. In Islam, I am a Simply a Muslim. There is no hyphenatedness in my belief. In the Qur'an and Sunnah there is no Shi'a or Sunni or others. There is only Islam.

To digress a little bit, why don't you then apply the same principle to Christianity and realise that while there may be many denominations, there is only one body of believers called Christians.  I am sure you also know that there are more sects in Islam that sunni and shia.  Only that you guys just try as much as possible to to anihilate each other.  Muhammad's wife pitted against his cousin etc,   

In any case, we will continue to provide naralanders with the information they want regarding this 12th Imam. And by the way, their belief is based on the verse of light in the Qu'ran. I hope you know what it is or do you want me to explain it to you?

@olabowale,

And your point is,

@mazaje,

there was no where it was written she adopted them all that was said was that she brought them up, it wasnt said the adopted children who were brought up but the 5 children who were brought up, its confussing any way because it wasnt really stated clearly enough.

There is nothing confusing at all about the passages.  One declares that she never had any child of her own while the other declares that the 5 children she had were brought up FOR someone else.  This will only be confusing to those who either don't understand english or who are just biased beyond reason.  Take your pick.  Even the one who copied and pasted this accusation has tacitly admitted he was being fraudulent with his presentation of those passages.

@Idirente,

how about Abraham and his only begotten son Isaac is that not rebuttable with Ishmael
Do you think that ONLY Judaism and Christianity has Religious hegemony on all mankind and whoever does not subscribe to them are doomed or will perish in hellfire,  me thinks not. what is your view

I don't think I need to provide any answers for you until you tell us your motive and source of information on this thread.  You have deliberately tried to manipulate information and to mislead people just to hold on to a losing position.  Please admit you were being fraudulent in presenting your supposed facts, or just tell us where you copied and pasted from so that we can go correct those fradulent people.  When you do that, then I can begin to think you have a ounce of integrity left in you that I can trust.  In the mean time, the issue of Abraham and his offspring have already being dealt with on nairaland.  Do a google search as I do not want to waste my time with someone who is really not after scholarship, but mockery.

You wanted to know my view?  This is it: Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

@onikunkewu,

Mr.Pataki, one thing you fail to understand is that: if government of a nation do not partake in the enhancement of religious activities such as going to hajj and jerusalem,what else do you think it should contribute to?. {patronising brothels?,promiscuity?child abuse?,consuption of liquor etc.} ha! ha! mrpataki Oga funyin o (nawa for you o)

I provide mrpakati with the piece he is waiting for.

The Government is not meant to enhance religious activities in the way you mentioned. If that is the case, then the government will have to be responsible for everyone going to Bible School, church conventions abroad, and other traditional worship rituals that is available out there.

The purpose of the government is to ensure that there is freedom of religion in the State. In which case, the situation in Zamfara where churches are suppressed and oppressed would never be allowed, the situation where Reinhard Bonkke will not be allowed to preach in the North while the Muslims can have whatever they want to have on the south will be addressed.

The government must never be seen as promoting one religion over the other, and government money shouldn't go into building churches or mosques for that matter.

I like Okotie's vision in this matter. He said in every state function, no Imam or Pator will be allowed to lead or close the event with prayers, rather the only thin that binds us together as Nigerians is our National Anthem which should be sung at the commencement or end of any function. This is the best option if we consider that allowing just the Imam and the Pastor to pray is the state promotion of only two religion while discrimanting against a thousand more.

@Davidylan,

When is the Davidylan compedium of Nigerian vocabularies due for release?

I have never supported the presidential ambition of Donald Duke for good reasons which have proved true in the face of his shameful withdrawal from the race.

One thing I have learnt in life is this: you can only have significant success in an endeavour you are passionate about.  From all indications, Duke is not passionate about the presidency.  He only entered the race to 'try his luck' which is not good enough.  His withdrawal also shows he holds his party a greater loyalty than he does to the nation.  This is indeed shameful.

While I will not consider the possibility that he may have been adequaltely 'compensated' to withdraw from the race by those who claim to be fighting corruption, I suppose his withdrawal just show that the power of external persuasion that got him to run is all that is needed to end that half-hearted pursuit. So what about these big words he uttered after submitting his forms: "I am not prepared to step down for any other presidential aspirant because I have not seen any aspirant that could challenge my credentials. " Can he now be taken seriously?

At this point in our chequered history, we need someone with vision, passion, youth and determination to lead our country.  So far, I see only one person who fits this bill.  And while I will get crucified for suggesting this, I know from the bottom of my heart that the only person who meets this criteria right now is Chris Okotie.  Duke may be a worthy candidate, but he lacks the will power and the vision to lead us into the promised land.  Okotie on the other hand is consumed with that passion. He has got the vision, the intellect, the integrity, the administrative and people skills required. He has shown he will not compromise and above all will not be tied to the apron strings of anyone.

Others who may have shown some passion about leading Nigeria are Buhari, IBB, Kalu and maybe Marwa.  I am not in support of any of these personalities and I can't vouch for the galvanising force behind their burning passion to want to lead Nigeria.  But if passion is needed, they got it.  However, they lack either vision, integrity or both.

Okotie may seem a greenhorn in politics, but recent events around the world have shown that all you need is the relevant vision, administrative and human skills to be a political leader.  Arnold Shwazenegger and Jesse "the Body" Ventura have proved that in the United States.

The ball is in our court Nigerians.  Are we going to take the chance with this young dynamic man or are we going to keep wondering in darkness, hoping that these geriatric rulers will lead us to the promised land they cannot even see?

@Ndipe and co,

The point is not that these mockers are unaware that the Bible declares Jesus to be the very God. The point is that they choose not to believe it and consider it to be blasphemous.

However, if only these mockers know that the Most High is the Most Lowly in heart; if only they realise that the High and Lofty One is the most Contrite and Humble of all, then they will not be far away form believing that He has shown us what humility is by taking up the abiliments of flesh and becoming a 'son of man'.

@Idirente,

It is so easy to spot those of you who just copy and paste information from a prejudicial source whose ignorance are spread by biased zealots like you.  I would wish you'd do a thorough study of the Bible by yourself starting with the New Testament, before you bring forth your strong reasons for maintaining this stand.

Now to your post.  I only need to look at your first two accusations to throw out the rest of your post for outright lack of scholarship and credibility.  I believe the first point has been dealt with on another thread so I wouldn't bother myself here.

197. Therefore Michal, the daughter of Saul, had no child unto the day of her death. II Samuel 6:23 The five sons of Michal, the daughter of Saul.------II Samuel 21:8

I will write out the passages in full here for all to see your folly:
2 Samuel 6:23 - Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death

2 Samuel 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite:
I am sure all can see the difference in these passages which you have tried to twist for your dubious purposes.  You conveniently left out the fact that Michal brought up those children and not bare them as you implied. 

Why the lies? Do you have any credibility at all?  Or do you think adopting or bringing up a child outrightly makes you the biolocal parent? Along with some people I have come across on this forum, I hereby move to have you listed as a fraud on nairaland.  Can someone please second this motion!!!!!!!!!!

@Exu,

You failed to mention the most important of it all: God died for you.

And do you know what that makes you? A beloved friend of God. John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

@Mukina

La ilaha illa-Allah Muhammadur Rasulullah!

How many times do you need to say that to bring salvation to your soul? Here is an advice for you from the Gospels which your allah claims he sent down: Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Under no circumstance should the State funds be used to fund a purely religious duty of an individual. Whether the funds is provided for Hajj or for a visit to Jerusalem is immaterial. State funds should be used for State purposes.

In any case, those who consider it a duty to visit Jerusalem are doing it purely on their own conviction. It has nothing to do with the tenets of the Bible.

"We did not join this movement to become ministers but rather to become martyrs." - Ismail Haniya, Palestinian Prime Minister. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6183409.stm


I guess the quote above goes to show the true position of these Arabs. If the only reason why they are in politics is to kill the Jews, one will not be too far off to assume their aim of claiming sole right to a land that isn't theirs historically, is for the same purpose. These guys do not believe in peace for Isreal and that is why Ahmedinajad couldn't hold his evil thoughts in. Isreal has my full support to do whatever they have to do to stay alive.

@olabowale,

So are you saying the Shi'ites are not real muslims? Is that why the Sunnis have always wanted to anihilate them? Is that the much respect they had for Mohammed that they virtually wiped out his generation?

@onikunkewu,

Moreover,saying that hajj is a means through which muslems go to saudi arabia to worship idols is blasphemous.I beleive no good follower of Christ Jesus will ever alter such a statement

I am a Christian and I concur with the fact that Moslems do go to Saudi to worship idols.  If you do not know the history of the kabba, then I will tell you.  It is a house of idols from time immemorial and it remains the same till date.

As for you , Zulunation, praying that muslems should go to hajj and never return home,i believe you are such a christian fellow who never abide by the teachings of the holy bible,becouse Jesus has never in any way set a curse on other fellow creatures

So you agree that it is a curse to leave Nigeria and live in Saudi Arabia, your holy land?  Na wa for you o.  Why are you still a muslim then?  Don't you agree that living that close to the kabba will make you closer to your allah and more righteous?

I hope you know that the Hajj predates Muhammad.  This was a ritual maintained by those who kept the house of idols (kabba) in pre-mohammed days.  This was basically a political and economic tool, and it remains the same till date.  It will serve you better financially to go to Olumo Rock in Abeokuta and at least contribute some of that money into Nigeria's economy.

@Donzman,

Where were present day Isrealis before some white people in the comfort of their homes decided it will be a good idea to take away Palestinian land and give it to Jewish people?

The Isrealis were scattered all over the world and some of them still remained in Isreal.  So technically, they never completely abandoned that land. The desire of the Jews to return to their land dates as far back as the Babylonian captivity a few hundred years BC.  The desire became stronger after the destruction of Jerusalem and subsequent exile of more Jews in AD 70.  The whole world knew of the Jewish desire to have their land back and those Egyptians (like Arafat) and other Arabs knew the land belongs to Isreal.   The means to achieving their desire was handed to them by no less than the United Nations.

I liken the plight of the Palestines to taking away my father's land and giving it to some AA's on the basis of justice by some whites trying to cover their asses. It doesn't make sense, Jews have been driven from that land for hundreds of years, they really have no legitimate claim to it. Personally, I do not care but I wonder how many people running their mouths here (Davidylan) will give up their father's land to African Americans if for some reason Americans decide it's time for them to go back home.
It's the same people like Davidylan who will criticize Robert Mugabe for taking away white people's land in Zimbabwe and giving it to black farmers. Or wouldn't you?

At least you acknowledge the fact that they were driven from that land.  Had they given it up through freewill or sold it to others, then they absolutely have no case.  You are making an argument for the Palestines that is rightly meant for the Jews.  It is the Jews that are being asked to give up their father's land for the Arabs.  Isreal was ready for a 2 state solution but their Arab neighbours felt they could wipe them out in a military sweep in 1948.  Unfortunately for them, they lost the war and are still losing it.  The Arabs have always been the aggressors, though the weaker ones.

@Easyy & Afam,

You would do well to come out with American impressions of Nigeria and let's see what it is, abd how many Americans who have opinions about Nigerians have ever met as many as 5 Nigerians, let alone lived in Nigeria.
I am not saying the opinions expressed here are correct, neither am I saying they are wrong. I am saying that people have a right to express opinions, right or wrong. Americans are probably the worst at doing this because they form all their opinions based on whatever ABC editors and other media editors decide to feed them.

Why should I be bothered with what Americans think of Nigeria? Why should I go on a quest, the results of which you know will be biased? I have not restricted people's rights to form opinions here, I have only stated that the opinion of most people about America will likely be formed from third parties as you have acknowledged same will be the case for Americans for Nigeria. Please try to understand what you read before you post responses. Besides, you advocate people sharing their iopinion but you will rather have me keep mine to myself. That is hypocrisy you know.

Exactly. Unless we are being told that the Americans have the right to form opinions about Nigerians and Nigerians don't have any rights to form opinions about them.
It's the same double standards and hypocrisy that is causing problems in the world today, same law or priciple is interpreted differently depending on who the law or principle is being applied to.

I wonder who gave you that information. Please try not to misinform the public. It does not speak well of you. Double standard is declaring belief in the freedom of expression but suppressing the opinion of those who may go in a direction you are uncomfortable with.

The gospel according to Afam:

The problem with discussing these issues with the seriousness and objectivity they require is that many are often blinded by certain mindsets and hidden hate filled ideologies that is usually masked by pretending to be christains while supporting oppression, injustices, killing of innocent people etc.

Meaning: No one else is objective and serious on discussing these issues except ME, Afam.  I am the only one able to see clearly into and I can even see into the hearts of those who oppose my stand.  I can see that thses Christians are so blinded by hate that they support the killing and oppression of innocent people (By which I mean Palestinians.  I am persuaded that Jews can never be innocent).

The gospel according to Afam:

Even some Americans attended the conference, the spiritual leader of the KKK and other non islamic people.

Meaning: As long as a few Americans, the KKK and other interest groups attended the conference denying a historical fact, then we must believe they are right.  In any case, the outcome will not favour the Jews, so who cares what they arrive at.

The gospel according to Afam:

Sunnis and christains formed an alliance in the days of Saddam, today Sunnis and Christains are doing the same in Lebanon where they have indeed sided with the Hezbollah to democratically overthrow the government of Lebanon

that is backed by the West.

Meaning:  I am still trying to make a point here.  I hope I end up confusing you on these issues as I am.

The gospel according to Afam:

Christains live in Iraq, Christains live in Lebanon, Christains live in Palestine, Muslims live in Israel. So, who is fighting who? Who hates who?

Meaning Since some are so bold as to deny the Holocaust, permit me to deny the fact that the Arabs were the once that attacked Isreal first in 1948 when they wouldn't go by the UN resolution.  Based on this premise, we can conclude that only Isreal is in the habit of breaking the sacred UN resolutions.  This way, I will not be seen as a hypocrite.

The gospel according to Afam:

These are questions that one must honestly answer before engaging in discussions like these but unfortunately, simplistic opinions like all muslims are terrorists, the arabs does not want Israel to exist etc are being conveniently canvassed by the ill informed.

Meaning As the sole depository of information and historical facts, any contrary opinion to mine must be considered ill-informed.  Infact, any one who opposes my stand must be regarded as a muslim-hater.  Please never mind what Ahmadinajad and his hero Khomeni said about wiping Isreal off the map, it was just a slip of the tongue.  I would have sited the fact that the Arabs so love the Isrealis that they willingly lost the 1948 war, but then, we have agreed that the war never took place.

The gospel according to Afam:

The president of Iran is one of the most intelligent presidents I have heard or seen on TV discussing issues whether technical, religious or political with real confidence and without seeking help from his aides before answering questions.  Even though the call for the destruction of the state of Israel is an improper statement since it means the destruction of everyone in Israel today. I do not believe in the death of any innocent person regardless of the person's race.

Meaning Infact I so applaud the intellectual prowess of Ahmedinajad, that his decision to bar Professors from Universities and replace them with Clerics is a concept I plan to introduce into Nigeria.  Ahmed Sani of Zamfara hasn't done enough.  Not to sound politically incorrect, I have rightly tagged his call for Genocide as an improper statement.

The gospel according to Afam:

Israel has been going against UN's resolutions since time immemorial, the UN has consistently vetoed sanctions or resolutions that comes up at the UN when such resolutions do not favour Israel.

Meaning These sole action of Isreal cannot be justified though the Arabs were the first to break such resolution in 1948.  Besides, why should the U.S. always veto such resolutions when it rightly gives the Arabs what they want while trampling on the legitimate desires of Isreal?

The gospel according to Afam:

The world needs to focus on the real issues and find a lasting solution to the middle east problem, funny enough many Western nations do not want to tackle the problem head on even though they know where the problem lies.

Meaning In order words, instead of issuing an "improper statement", the world needs to carry out an "improper action" - Send Isreal into the sea, never mind the fact that historically the land has been Jewish.

The gospel according to Afam:

If the late Arafat (the symbol of the Palestinian struggle when he was alive) could marry a christain and still allowed her to baptize their child in the church, allowed her to still attend mass, hung pictures of Jesus Christ in his home, one begins to wonder if their is any truth in the often cited hatred of the muslims against the non muslims or if certain powers are bent on creating this divide so that their selfish aims and objectives will be met.

Meaning Indeed, Suha Arafat is my epitome of who a Christian should be.  She is so Christian that she publicly declares she hates Jews (her supposedly Lord's brothers), and she will have no greater honour than to have her kids enrolled as suicide bombers to kill Isrealites.  I intentionally left out the fact that though she was raised as a Christian, she converted to Islam.  Besides, what has that got to do with anything.  She hates Jews and that puts her in good company of people like my hero, Ahmedinajad.

The gospel according to Afam:

Ultimately, we can never have peace unless their is justice and speaking of justice, in the middle east today there are a lot of injustices metted out against the poeple of Palestine and until these issues are addressed, nothing concrete will come out of any arrangements to force people to be peaceful.

Meaning  I have always declared that I believe in justice.  Justice for the Palestinians and none for the Isrealis.  The only way to achieve peace is by giving the Palestinians what they want and tell Isreal to go into the sea.  At least, that is where they have lived all their lives even in the days of Christ.