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@harakiri,

While I understand what you are driving at, I think you have used a totally misleading example to parallel what is going on in Naija. Endemic corruption and a lackadaisical attitude on the part of Nigerians is our problem. What is happening in Greece is different. I believe it was George Washington who said something akin to this: "Democracy ends the day the people realise that they can vote themselve money from the treasury". The people of Greece have been doing just that and have now found themselves in a big hole. The problem is not a few looting the treasury, it is the majority with a sense of entitlement draining the public coffers.

Margareth Thatcher was right when she said "The problem with Socialism is that we will eventually run out of other people's money". Greece has run out, majority of Europe has run out and so has the United States. All not because of a few, but the entitlement mentality of the majority! Catch my drift?!

@harakiri,

And you think what is going on in Greece is to be commended? We are seeing the unintended consequences of runaway socialism is action. Unfortunately, America is also on a fast track to Greece if we do not limit these uncontrolled govt spending and social programs.

@truly,

Let's summarise your verbosity above.

1.  You can find no proof that any Christian who murders another is following in Christ or His early Disciples footsteps.
2.  Mohammed practices peace only when convenient.
3.  Mohammed's morality is time and era dependent (I suppose same must be for the allah he serves). Morality can be bent to serve pressing needs
4.  Organizations like Hamas/Al Quaeda and co derive their legitimacy from Mohammed.  Afteral, doesn't their charter declare Mohammed's marching orders to kill ALL Jews?  "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree,  would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).
5. You cannot link the would-be bomber's nationality to the ideology that led him to carry out such heinous act. This leaves only one other option - Islam!

@truly,

I stand by my statement that the guy is a muslim at heart.  Let's apply some logic here.  Did the guy's dual nationality provided the ideological inspiration to carry out such murderous action? The answer is NO! What inspired his action was nothing but his faith, in this case ISLAM (the so-called relion of peace). So until you can prove to us here that his nationality provided the ideological impetus for his action, you will do well to keep your islamic peace to youreself.

Going a little further to address your irrelevancies.  All the cases you mentioned above bear no implications to my faith as a Christian.  Why? Because neighter the Pope nor any of the people you mentioned are the author and finisher of my faith.  If you need to find out what a Christian should be like, look at Jesus and to an extent Paul and the early Disciples. Were they ever at anytime violent? NO.

As for you and the other "non-infidels", Mohammed is the author and finisher of your faith.  He was a violent man who practiced blood-shed that provides the inspiration for the Jihadist of today. His teachings are not ambigous with regards to killing infidels and Jews!  Consider this. How in the world can you condemn a muslim who marries and sleeps with an underaged girl when Mohammed did same? Apply same logic to mass murder and terrorism!!!

@topic,

The above topic is misleading. He may be a paskistani by birth and an American by convenience, but he is a muslim at heart. The headline should read: "Surprise Surprise - A muslim to be charged for NYC Bombing"

@JeSoul,

I am going to be in Boston the last week of May to the first week of June. We should hook up some time. I will be there with family on a vacation.

@mama-gee,

The Law should simply be boycotted, it's discriminatory.

Great idea!!  The same way they "boycotted" America's immigration law and came in illegally. Infact, America should dismantle all its embassies world-wide because it is an agency of discrimination. It's discriminatory that they give some people visa and deny others same.  This kind of reasoning on nairaland no get part 2.

@topic,

When we say the Mid East wahala cannot be divorced from its spiritual cause, many here will be crying foul. Again and again, these murderous bands of Mohamed hints to this truth over and over but our so-called intelligensia alwas ignore it. There can be no peace in the ME unless there is a spiritual basis for it. Unfortunately, while peace is associated with Islam, it cannot be proved to be so. From its founder to its early followers, we see that all they understand is violence.

@topic,

And on the Tea-Partiers being violent, here's a very brilliant article by Mark Stein. Enjoy!

http://article.nationalreview.com/432436/not-too-hip-and-edgy-for-censorship/mark-steyn

@pres_elect,

i couldnt agree more with this ''gospel according to tayo D''
unlike the democrats, the tea baggers are veru civilised and respectful, fighting for their rights which the[b] demonic obama administration/regime [/b] has destroyed. while the liberals lie a lot, the tea bagers carry out their demonstrations honorably as testified by this 48 seconds video.

Taken out of contect, I agree totally with everything you wrote and higlighted in bold above.

We are talking about violence and you are here with an orchestrated Democrat Party video that does not even counter my claim.

@4Play,

From the little I've heard, it's a bad law. How will they identify the illegal immigrants without racial profiling?

Please shine the light on my ignorance.  What is wrong with profiling, and by extension racial profiling?  Profiling continues to be a very intricate part of solving crime. Common sense also advocates for profiling when it comes to personal survival.  Of course I will be more apprehensive seeing a muslim on the plane with me than I would a catholic priest.  On the other hand, I will be more comfortable leaving my son in the care of a muslim mallam than I would a catholic priest. That is common sense and it involves a level of profiling.

People try to advocate their position through facts and figures.  If we rely on those, no one will argue the fact that the majority of illegal aliens in the US are of a certain race. If that is the case, common sense and the prudent use of scarce resources suggest it wise to not waste the limited resources on those who are least likely to have commited such offence.  Am I wrong?

I still don't know why they can't build a proper fence across the border with Mexico since this has proven one of the most effective methods for stopping border crossings.

So what do u do with those who are already here? Fence them in with the rest of us?  I think deporting people will be the biggest blow to the morale of those who are intending to come in illegally.

@agathamari,

those people are listening to propoganda, some republican in an attempt to skew public opinion started spreding that poo and instead of spending time to get the facts they listen to it, democrats do the same thing when repeblicans are in office. there were huge protests when bush did his bailout - just democrats tend to be less violent in thier protests. this is nothing new. it is the same poo for the last 250+ years and will be the same in the next 250+ years, those who think otherwise dont know thier history very well.

I was in agreement with your post until the phrase in bold. Can you back it up with facts that Republicans are violent or more violent in their protests compared to Democrats? Do you want to go back through the history of domestic terrorism in the US and look at the politics of those involved?

Do you realise that the few times violence was present at any tea party gathering was Democrats sending their thugs to beat up on the protesters? Do you know they send in their people to cause destruction with the hope of pinning it on the Tea Pary folks? How about the latest lie by some Democratic Senators that they were verbally abused by Tea Pariers when they walked by? With all the cameras present at the event and that followed the Senators through the crowd, no one can produce a video to prove the allegation even though someone put out a $100,000 reward for anyone who can prove the abuse with a video evidence.

Don't be deceived by these liars/liberals. They are the violent ones and are only irked that protest against govt, which until recently has been their exclusive preserve is now done by the conservatives.

@topic,

You ask are the teabaggers racists? While I can't speak for everyone of them, I can at least affirm that the most notable teabagger is racist.

This teabagger was known to have sworn under oath that "I never had sexual relations with that woman." What is lost to millions of Americans is that this teabagger did not consider the teabagging he did in the Oral Orifice Oval Office, a sexual activity.

This same bobo was quoted recently saying that "then Presidential aspirant Obama (being black) is only good enough to serve him coffee." In light of his heroics as a teabager, one cannot but wonder if he actually used the coffee serving as a cover up to say that the only good thing blacks are good at is teabagging.

As for me, this notorious notable teabagger is a racist. Can same be said of his entire Party? You be da judge!

@montelik,

Is that why you want to cause fight. Don't you know that putting up Rush here you are going to cause a serious conflict.

The answer is Yes and No. I intentionally put out a two-edged sword. I know the haters will fume and will want to respond with their usual diatribe while ignoring the salient points. To minimise the possibility of such happening, I mentioned what their typical response would be. The smart ones amongst them will realise they've been called out even before they write, and so show some restraint if and when they respond. Don't you love to kick liberals around?!

Anyway to my surprise I agree with what he said and like how he said it

You'll be surprised how much you will agree with the man if you just sit down and listen to what he says.  I started tuning in to his show when a national advertisement accused him of racism against Mexicans. I realised how much falsehood was in the advertisement and got to enjoy what he says and how he says it.  He makes a lot of sense to me.

That was until he had to bring up the whole Clinton/Lewinsky angle.

You gotta admit that was funny as hell! I didn't see that coming at all. It makes a good laugh, a good point while taking a shot at his usual targets - Democrats!

This forum has been rather quiet. I thought I'll post something that will inspire both thought and laughter.  It's another Rush Limbaugh Update. I almost forgot, this will surely inspire the haters to come out of hiding too.

Enjoy:

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@bawomolo,

why would any smart person attack the US Navy? even China no go make that kin mistake

I am sure those guys must have Palestinian blood in them.  They must be emboldened by the same spirit that makes the Palestinians hurl rocks and katyusha rockets at Isreal with her armored tankers and WMDs.

When are we going to start hearing about disproportionate response?!

@David,

Groan. we are back to this idiocy again. We already know states have their own mandates on healthcare but it has NOTHING to do with the individual.

Who ever said it had anything to do with the individual mandate? You must be arguing with someone else in your head. Please read my posts, understand them b4 responding. Fair requirement?!!

It is a REQUIREMENT ON THE INSURANCE COMPANY to cover a stipulated minimum coverage. What has this to do with anything?

Its got to do with costs. Isn't that what we are trying to do? Control costs! Didn't you just acknowledge earlier that each State mandate increases the insurance costs?

What does it have in common with the individual mandate? Do the state mandates on healthcare force the individual to purchase healthcare?

Who claimed that it did?

Allowing folks to go across state lines to buy coverage is meaningless and will do nothing to reduce cost. The states will simply increase premiums and you're back to square one!

That's not true. If I can buy insurance for cheap out of State, the insurance companies in my home State will reduce their cost just to remain competitive. One of the mobile phone carriers recently reduced their prices and guess what? Others quickly reduced their prices also so as to not lose all theri customers to the cheapest carrier. This is how the market works.

@David,

I  knew what the state mandates where ages ago. My main point from the begining was that the state mandates where NOT the same as the mandates in Obama's bill period. The fact that both are called "mandates" does not mean they point to the same thing.

I wish you are a better liar.  How can you say you know the difference between the two and yet jump to conclude that I was refering to individual mandates when all I have refered to was the State mandate?  In response to my refernece to the mandates, this is what you said: "there are no govt mandates now, why are the prices going up?"  

I understand when people try to save face, but please do so intelligently and without lying.  It does not speak well of you.

Which "government mandates" are you talking about here? Still confusing the two?

Use your brain and you will understand which one I was refering to? How can it be individual mandates when I refer to shopping around either intra or inter-state?  Do you remember our discussion about the flat screen TVs and how the mandate in each State could determine the cost of providing the goods or services? Is that in any way related to individual mandate?

the state mandates of course are the reason we have ballooning prices because:

Why are you so confused. You mean you have been hyper-ventilating only to arrive at the same conclusion I stated earlier and corroborated by JeSoul that the State mandates need to be revisited to make the cost of health insurance cheaper?  Now while some of the reasons you provided are laughble (especially when it comes to govt admin cost being cheaper, see Medicaid), the forgoing conclusion was apt.

Funny enough, this individual mandate was a republican idea as far back as George H.W. Bush.

And is that supposed to make it a good idea?

@David,

I am glad that my little contribution so far has made you to seek some knowledge regarding state health insurance mandates.  With that little knowledge, please go back and read what I posted earlier. It will amaze you how foolish your previous responses were in the light of this new truth (new to you and not to the rest of us).

"Do you know that govt mandates is part of the reason why we have these balloning prices? Do you realise that I would have opted for a less expensive coverage if it was avaialable? I have to maintain the one I have because the insurance companies were mandated to provide some minimum coverage which is a waste as far as I am concerned.  I can't intelligently choose some options because someone in Washington or St Paul has decided I must have and pay for something I do not need."

"You do not know that each State has its own mandate on healthcare?  Why do you think some people are talking about crossing State lines to buy health insurance where its chaeaper due to less mandates? What about the fact that current laws forbid crossing State lines to buy insurance?"

Can you cool down a little bit and use your mental faculties to reason out wnad untwist yourself from the self-inflicted knots?!

@Davidylan,

Tayo-D obviously doesnt understand the difference between the "mandates" contained in the HC reform bill and the insurance state mandates. What's the point responding to his noise-making?

You are so ignorant, it beggars belief. Here is someone who is not even aware that each State has a different health insurance mandate turning around to accuse the one who informed him of such, ill-informed! You really need to learn to debate and to understand what is being said before you retort with all the NBC talking points.

Its surely a waste of time talking to you. As someone who have been through these issues first hand and have had the personal esxperience of actively seeking options that are not available because of govt mandates, it's laughable to see such an ignorant person repeating his favorite politician's talking points in response to issues raised.

Please have a doughnut with the cool-aid that has been giving to you. I wish you Godspeed!

@Davidylan,

hmm the state mandates you talk about is NOT the same as the mandates in the healthcare bill. Only this bill imposes a tax on everyone who does not carry health insurance. The fact that both are called "mandates" does not make them the same.
I think you're deliberately and dishonestly mixing up the 2.

No. You are the one that needs to understand what you are talking about. How can you address the rising costs without understanding why it is so high in the first place?

That may be a workable idea in that case.

Not MAY, it is a workable idea. If people can be allowed to buy what I call "catastrophic insurance" where they will be covered in the event of a major physical crisis, you will see how cheap the cost of insurance will become. Everyone will most likely buy the insurance without mandates and there wont be the problem we have today.

i put up a link as an example of what happens on a daily basis. some insurance companies wont even take you because of "pre-existing" conditions. You seem to live in a bubble where everything is like cinderella's garden.

I understand fully well what is going on. My wife and I went shopping for life insurance a feww years ago when she was pregnant. Of course the insurance company refused to cover my wife because of her pre-existing condition (pregancy). I understand why they do not want to assume such a risk. If we think its stupid to have people go buy car insurance after they have had an accident, why would this be any different? Let's get the emotions out of this to be able to deal with it properly.

I watched an interview by a Catholic Nun who suppported the healthcare bill. She said about 45,000 people may be dying in the US yearly because they lack health insurance. The first thing that occured to me is this. As rich as the catholic church is, can't they set up hospitals and retain the services of Doctors to meet the needs of these people? Why must we hand everything over to Ceasar? There is something fundamentally wrong with that picture!

@Davidlyan,

You sir are advocating anarchy not a state. this is the prevailing mindset in nigeria, it is no wonder you emigrated from it.

You mean it is anarchy when people live responsibly and take care of their own business without being a burden to their neighbours? Let me tell you what anarchy is. It is GREECE. That is what happens when people are too dependent on central authority.

why dont you go back and live in nigeria? they practice the nonsense you're advocating to a T. We dont expect light, water, good roads from the government neither do they expect taxes from you

How does this bear resemblance to what I am talking about? We do pay taxes in Nigeria. Only that the corruption makes it dissapear.

unbelievable that someone would write such drivel.

Ubleievable that I believe in human dignity and the concept that a man should be expected to eat the fruits of his labor without somebody somewhere thinking they have a right to the fruits of his labor? What a world this is turning into!

@Davidylan,

1. those without insurance can basically walk into the ER, get treatment and go free. YOU (the ignorant noise makers) pick up the tab with your premiums.

I thot you guys were claiming before that the sick are deprived of healthcare in the US because they are poor.  You need to take a stand (even if it is an ignorant one) and stick to it.

2. The healthy (like you) refuse to get insurance and only buy one when you are sick. Where do you think the money to pay for all the medical bills come from? The sky high premiums of those with insurance

Do you know what insurance means? If you do, you won't be making this kind of ignorant statement.

That is why the mandates are kicking in. the larger the pool of the healthy, the lower the premiums are for everyone. think a ponzi scheme, that is how it works.

Why don't you teach libnearls personal responsibility.  Our problem will be half-solved if liberals become more repsonsible.

which is why your premiums are so high too. "administrative costs" are about 30% of what the insurance companies pay out. The government on the other hand would spend less than 5% on administrative costs. Sorry i thot you said the private guys were more efficient.

Are u serious?  Govt more efficient? Tell me you are joking right?

That's a fraudulent lie! If you fell sick today and had to be on medication for the whole yr you'd be getting way more out of your insurance than you paid in. All the money would be coming from those of us who have been paying for insurance without using it.

Like I said previously, if you understand what insurance mean, you won't be talking this ignorantly.  I measured my risk and took adequate steps to protect my finances.  The insurance companies will pay my bill not minding if they get the money form others or not.  People like me is not the problem, it is the govt-dependent people that is populated mostly by the Left and sadly by the Black community have increasingly grown dependent on the govt that is the problem.

@Davidylan,

1. which "mandates" are you talking about? If each state had mandates already then why are 13 state AGs suing the federal government for including MANDATES in this healthcare bill?

They are suing that every person will be forced to buy health insurance or be fined. You obvously don't know anything about what you are passionatley defending. By the way, the fact that you do not know that each State has its own mandate on the inusrance companies clearly potrays you as having no idea what is going on.

2. Crossing state lines to buy insurance wont work at reducing prices. I'm sorry but opting to go buy a flat screen TV in Texas all the way from NY does not guarantee lower prices.

Not if Texas mandates that all the flat screen sold in their State must be at least 75" wide. I will go buy a 50" screen in other States if that is what I can afford.

YES . . . that is what has been happening all along . . .See the news - Insurer targeted HIV patients to drop coverage. health insurance companies routinely drop the sick, those with pre-existing conditions and the elderly from coverage to maximise profits while raising premiums on the young and healthy. Its all a game

Routingely drop their customers? You mean the customers voluntarily drop their insurance because of higher premiums? You have been fed a bowl of half-truths. People who claim to be dropped are basically hiding the fact that they dropped out because they could not afford or choose not to buy the insurance. I switch my health insurance company last year because they got rather more expensive. I went for one which was cheaper.

@David,

there are no govt mandates now, why are the prices going up?

You see how ignorant you are? You do not know that each State has its own mandate on healthcare? Why do you think some people are talking about crossing State lines to buy health insurance where its chaeaper due to less mandates? What about the fact that current laws forbid crossing State lines to buy insurance? what are those? Recommendations?

Actually you're lying there . . . infact with the increase in premiums a lot of the insurance companies are betting on losing a lot more customers.

Your ignorance of how the market operates beggars belief. You mean the insurance companies are basically putting themselves out of busniess by delibeartely shrinking their market base? Please stop and reason a little bit.

The reason insurance premiums are so high is because of folks who reason like you. You dont think you shld buy maximum coverage because "i do not need it". When you now need insurance you go ahead and purchase it, where did you think the money paid out for your healthcare came from? It came from those who purchased maximum coverage long long before they needed the insurance!

This is how ignorant you are. I have a car insurance right now that I wish our health insurance will be patterned after. My car insurance does not cover my every visit to the mechanic for an oil change, it does not cover my car wash, parking fees etc. As for our health insurance on the other hand, we are told our insurance companies have to pay for every time we visit the Doctor even for routing check-ups. They have to pay for every time I vist the Dentist to clean my teeth etc. Why wont the premium be so high?

Do you think car insurance will be this cheap if they have to factor in all our visits to the workshop? This is some simple common sense that eludes people like you. In addition to paying for the visit, they will pay for all the administrative costs that come with the visit. In many cases, those administrative costs will be higher than the Doctor's fees. And while the inurance companies keep factoring all of these in their baseline, the premiums keep rising.

that is the reason we now have a mandate . . . so that pple like you would stop scamming the rest of us!

Scam you? Are you for real? I am a conservative. I believe in paying for what I use. If more people with your persuasion take responsibility for their lives like people from my persuasion do of ours, we wouldn't be in this mess. I expect nothing from you, and you will do well to expect same from me. Live and let live is one thing you need to teach people on the Left!

@Davidylan,

I dont blame you. Thank God your kids werent born with health problems. You folks disgust me with your selfish responses.

Selfish? I just finished preparing my taxes for last year. My wife and me gave over 20% of our income to charity. Please come back and call me selfish if you gave half of that to others this past year.

It's funny how you ignored the points I raised and started attacking my person. You will do well to ignore my post if you can't handle the points. I have no time to deal with your childishness.

@Busy_Body,

Hello bone of my bone  Where the hell have ya been, spent the whole winter without my favourite blanket  but thank God for this bill ehn

I thot we had an understanding that I can change blankets each season.  Now that winter is over, you will see more of me this spring, darling .

This new legislation is good because, before, you pay health insurance for years only for you to need to make a claim and have these unscrupulous insurance companies start backtracking and investigating in order to wriggle out of paying and start telling you they cannot pay out because you did not tell them you had any pre-existing medical condition before,  but now they can no longer hide under that, i should know . . . You should know, too, that this is the same way loads of car insurance companies try to avoid paying too

You can only be denied based on pre-existing conditions if you knowingly hide a major health problem while buying insurance. That is the economic thing to do. The insurance companies like other companies are in business for economic reasons while providing health services.

Let me make this easy too by giving you a scenario.  Do you think a life insurance company will let you buy a $1 million life insurance for a $10 monthly premium when you've been diagnosed to have terminal cancer and have just 6 months to live? That is a pre-existing condition and such an insurance company will turn you down outright.  Why are people surprised same is done by health insurance companies?

@JeSoul,

Tayo, the counter argument to that - and I think its a very valid one - is that premiums are going up anyways. I don't recall exactly but I think it was detroit where the avg premium was expected to rise 70% this yr alone. Here in Mass it was estimated to rise about 30-40%.

And my premium did not go up by 30% even though I do not have a public option inusrance as you do in MA. The point is there are other very reasonable way top deal with skyrocketing prices that were ignored. I will details some of these as I am chanced.

I think democrats have a strong argument in that regards. Its not like we have control over prices and costs now, they've been rising steadily every year. What remains to be seen is whether or not this bill will slow the pace or increase it.

Do you know that govt mandates is part of the reason why we have these balloning prices? Do you realise that I would have opted for a less expensive coverage if it was avaialable? I have to maintain the one I have because the insurance companies were mandated to provide some minimum coverage which is a waste as far as I am concerned. I can't intelligently choose some options because someone in Washington or St Paul has decided I must have and pay for something I do not need.

Double posts

@agathamari,

the biggest improvement on healthcare thanx to this bill is no more pre existing conditions. those in the us know exactly what i mean

Question. What do you think will happen if new legislation forces other insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions? Imagine if I go to buy life insurance for my dead grandma after the fact? What do you think the economic response will be if anyone can go by car insurance after they have had an accident? Prices are going up, up and up! This is an economic reality that has eluded Dems and those who support them.

Biden said this Bill was a f**king deal. He is right. We have all been f**ked!!!

@Davidylan,

the typical reichwing ignorance . . . the HCR bill is NOT about quality of health care but ACCESS and AFFORDABILITY. No one is arguing that America does not have the world's best health care . . . available only to the rich.

Can you please share with us how many Americans have been turned back at Hospitals for their inability to pay?  I will really like to see such statistics!

@John_Blaze,

I did not provide you with any linnks earlier, so go sort out where you are muddled up. Why would I provide you with any links when you have shown absolute ignorance of the issue under discussion. It's like asking me to teach you about pythagoras theorem when you can't even do basic addition and/or multiplication. That would be a waste of my time.

Have you tried to school yourself by researching what I asked you to earlier? As an extension of that, I will like you to tell me what you expect the speed of the fall of the WTC to be? You've been crying fowl that it fell at about 10m/s (even though u don't know where that number came from). The question I will ask you is at this: "at what speed do you expect it to fall?" Please provide your answer with reasons.