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@Cap28,

Now you've limited imperialism to only occupying of another's land. In which case, I wonder what the problems of the Middle Easterners are that they always talk about America's foreign policy as the reason why they are so antagonistic towards the US.

I will not go into argument about what is going on in Sudan because I no get power to engage in prolonged debate with people who've already made their minds up one way or another, especially when religious sensitivities are involved. But do you seriously overlook China's adventures in Tibet and Vietnam?

@Sam,

What has Biology or Chemistry got to do with the fact that you think a past event is still ongoing? Going to Havard has nothing to do with ignorance of a regional political event.

Lets quit this and let everybody live with his own ideology.

Smartest thing you've said here.

@Sam,

You don't know what it is to be insecure? No wonder you have not been able to diagnose what your problem is. I suppose your friends here can help you with that.

As to the drivel you wrote above, I will not take upon myself, the responsibility to untwist you from the logjam you got yourself into. Instead of acknowledging you were wrong, you try to look intelligent by writing things you obviosuly know little about.

From declaring that "currently they are proposing", which is in a present continuous tense to now acknowledging that the plan has been canceled by Obama (in past tense) after I revealed the info to you. How many times do you have to be proven wrong?

A post was made here about people kidnapping children, i didnt see your comment about it

You don't determine what I comment upon. Unlike you, I do not respond to things I have no knowledge about. I thought this discussion is about what the United Staes is doing in Haiti. Are you now saying the goal is to kidnap little children? While a few individuals may be guilty of criminality, it does not reflect on the millions of Americans who during this economic hardship are still making very sizeable donation to Haiti. Last I checked, Americans have given more to help Haiti than any other Nationals. Same was the case during the Tsunnami in Indonesia. Why ignore the action of millions, but chose to demonise them for the actions of a few.

I talk am before. This thing na bad belle.

@Sam,

I believe you wrote this to make yourself feel OK. To justify the American Invasion and intimidation of other Nations.

Again, you reveal your insecurity by accusing others of what you practice.  I am very secure in my skin and do not need to pull others down or rail against a superpower in order to feel okay about myself.  You are left to practice this alone.

Like Cap said, What about China ?

What about China?  Have you heard about Tibet or Sudan?

Russians are more interested in punishing their satellite states which America took away through sponsored terrorist bombings.
Chechnya, Georgia, Belarus, Ukraine, ETC.

America took these countries away from Russia?  What are you smoking?

Currently they are proposing building what they called defense shield in those Countries which of Course Russians said no.

Which countries?  The missile shield was only proposed to be built inside the Czech Republic and Poland.  And for your information, Obama has shelved those plans. 

What right has Russia to demand what a country can and cannot do?  Isn't that the hallmark of Imperialism?  Abegi, I have given you too much time already.  You sure have no clue what you are talking about.

@topic,

You people have turned me into a Prophet, or is it Primate or Alfa (which one is more distinguished?). It's not even been 24 hrs since I made a prediction and see how many people have reared their heads to make my predictions come true. "I have started counting, soon we will see the rest of the horde coming out here to have their cheap shot at the United States. I guess the mere feeling of powerfulness that comes from condemning a powerful nation is too intoxicating for insecure people to ignore. The thing wey bad belle go cause ehn." I am sure we have not seen the last of them.

@cap28,

if you look at china they are interested in economic development but not imperial hegemony, has china tried to invade or occupy any sovereign nation? have they provided military assistance and training to repressive govts around the world, have they aided and abetted corrupt govts in the looting and plunder of those countries natural resources, have they instituted austerity measures such as SAP (structural adjustment policies) on developing nations in exchange for loans with extortionate interest rates attached

I can't believe you wrote the above. You mean China is a model State for the rest of the world? What planet do you live on? Since you appear to have a socialist bent, you take a look at the following article that provides a twin response to your posting above. It reveals the imperialism of China and at the same time the hypocrisy of those who talk about socialism as a viable alternative to capitalism represented by the United States. [url]http://socialistworker.org/2009/06/23/china%E2%80%99s-record-of-imperialism[/url] To think that the article did not even menation China's adventure in Sudan!

@Sam,

i told you how many places i have been because you need to see people and know how they behave before judging them

Do you ever listen to yourself  or read what you write at all?  So when did you ever meet me or know me to now judge me?  I have said before and repeat, you are a confused individual.

You don't impress me with where you've been at all.  For all I know, you may have been kicked out from one to the other for illegal immigration.  Running around other countries as a refugee does give you any edge over other people.  Do you know where I've been, what I've done and my station in life?  You have no clue how I became resident in the US or what I am doing there and yet in your usual manner jumped to conclusons that are totally baseless and above all, wrong.  Aint you tired of being wrong all the time?

Who you are or what you are means nothing to me.  Go impress those cheap girls with such boastings.  It does not move me.

@Cap28,

Let me give you the benefit of a doubt because you are new to this discussion by sharing this with you.

I have no problems with accepting that the US pursues its self interests beyond its borders and in the process violates the sovereignty of other lands.  This is inbred in every nation and every ideology that we find on our planet.  While they all mouth one thing, they do what is diametrically opposed to what they declare.  I am reading a book on Global Justice this weekend, by Che Guevara.  It's funny how he is against imperialism but basically does the same thing.  They just call it by a differnet name.  His present day contemporary would be someone like Hugo Chavez.  The end justifies the means is basically their mantra.

Why am I saying this? Words and allegations are cheap.  Facts is what matters.  I do not believe the Global Warming that the US and other Western Nations are shouting about because I believe there are no facts to back up their claims.  My sceptism of global warming is not based on the antecedents of America or Europe, but on the data I can see.  But to claim the US is behind the earthqake in Haiti while at the same time up to some sinister plans (which the accusers are yet to identify), without providing any verifiable data to suggest such is ludicrous.  

The most logical antecedent to comapre this to is America's response during the tsunami in Indonesia.  Despite the fact that the govt of Indonesia did not collapse as it apparently has with Haiti, the US sent about 8,000 marines to help with the relief effort.  That was Asia, this is South America.  So please, before you ask me to tow the path of condemning America, I will need more than all these America did this, America did that.  They have absolutely no bearing to this situation.

@cap28,

Why am I not surprised that cap28 is now a student of the Negro-Sam School of Virtual Reality! You can be certain that Cap28 will take sides with anyone who cries Death to America or Death to Isreal. Of course he will toe along the path of anyone who sees nothing good in America. I have started counting, soon we will see the rest of the horde coming out here to have their cheap shot at the United States. I guess the mere feeling of powerfulness that comes from condemning a powerful nation is too intoxicating for insecure people to ignore. The thing wey bad belle go cause ehn.

@Sam,

I have said before that you are very insecure. You try to feel adequate by putting other people down and you are here again touting how much travels you've done. Who cares? Do you even have a clue what others have done and where they've been? Any fool can come on the www (that's the world wide web for you), and make bogus claims. You really need to grow up.

@blacksta,

Sam and Negro - I have just read through the pages of this thread and i must say you guys are seriously deluded and please enjoy your false theories hopefully one day it will make hollywood.

I basically advised them to do same but their inflated ego will not let them accept my good faith recommendation. I believe there is a rumours section on nairaland, both should be directed there.

@Sam,

actually you are very very stupi.d.
i was just trying to quench your ego so you dont keep fighting with negro.

Me, ego? I'm not the one that has been involved with self-praise. It appears you project yourself unto others, and when you don't like what you see, you begin your abuse.

You obviously don't learn from what you read, else I wouldn't have had to correct you on the same issue with your last 3 postings.

If you think I'm stupid, why then do you attempt to debate with me? You know it does not reflect well on your self-proclaimed intelligence when you insist on debating with a stupid person.

@Sam,

You are not silly. Lets just put it that you are trying to debate what is beyond your knowledge.

You see how you cut across again as a hollow intellectual. Soo you will turn around again and accuse others of trying to be intelligent.

First I was silly, and now I am not. You are confused men!

@Negro,

You have finally proven me wrong on one issue. I never knew that one person could corner as much stupidity as you have done until your last posting.

I'm sure you wont have a problem giving yourself a pat on the back since you are used to singing your own praises from lack of receiving any from people who count.

Carry go. Your life mission to be the most ignorant "intellectual" is now accomplished!

@Sam Milla,

Sam Milla:
Tayo D it seems you hardly understand things.

See what I mean?

@Sam Milla,

Trying to make people see you as a clever intelligent person here wont help you at all.

You are such a confused individual. Aint you and Negro the ones that have been calling yourselves shepherds and others sheep? Aint you the ones that have been questioning people's intelligence. Now you are turning around and wrongly accuse others of what you are so guilty of. Are you suffering from amnesia in addition to your psychosis?

@Negro,

1+1=2 is a Truth! If I say 1+1 is not equal to 2, that does not make me a liar or a conspiracist.

One thing is for sure, it makes you wrong.

This is turning into a comedy of errors. If 1 + 1 = 2 is not a fact, what is it then, fiction? speculation? Manufactured news?

A fact can be measured, always consistent and can be confirmed at any time. The same cannot be said of the truth. 1 + 1 = 2 is a fact given the assumption that we are working in base 10.

@Sam,

Here is what you said: "therefore if Russians say america can cause earthquake, i wont doubt it either."

Two sentences later, you said: I will not conclude that they can or cant based on manufactured news.

Can you see how confused you are?

@Negro,

This is just getting very ridiculous.  Trying to divert attention again to the activation notice of the national guard? Based on experience and the way the Guard is set-up, I told you it takes about 12 months to deploy members of the National Guard overseas.  Up till now, you have not provided any proof to show otherwise.

Here's a blog spot for members of the National Guard discussing their deployment showing it consistent with my position.  Care to prove otherwise or you still choose to live in your head and not in reality? http://www.nationalguard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8295

From the Army Times http://www.armytimes.com/benefits/pay/hbgr08_activationdeployment_091508/:
A unit usually is put on alert before it is activated. Once on alert, activation can come within hours or days, but units often are alerted months before activation or deployment.
A provision of the 2008 Defense Authorization Act requires a minimum of 30 days’ advance notice, with a goal of 90 days’ advance notice, to a reserve component member called or ordered to active duty for more than 30 days in support of a contingency operation.

Are you still of the opinion that the NG would have landed in Haiti as fast as the Army?

@ElRazur,

I do understand your point. However, it gets really tiring when the two can't simply separate facts from fiction. To think you get accused of lack of intelligence just because you try to point this out.

At this point, I just think I am done with trying. If they feel good with the notion that they are blessed with more intelligence than others, let them knock themselves out.

@topic,

If the US has such capabilities, why haven't they destroyed Iran the same way? What about North Korea? The United States' headache could be easily eased by engaging this weapon of geo-cataclysmic destruction right away.

And by the way, if the US has abilities to create such enormous power, why the energy crisis?

@ElRazur,

You get time o. How do you intend to convince people who have substituted their conjectures for truth as to the fallacy of their position?

You have Sam Milla admitting that he is not sure as to the veracity of what he is saying and yet continues to argue with anyone who shows him the stupidity of his logic. Most disturbing is the fact that they think themselves to be intelligent just because they can write up some fiction. You live in the world of reality. Leave these folks alone in their Avatar land.

Sam Milla:
Not like we are sure.

Looks like your medication is finally kicking in ! Until now, you had lost touch with reality!

@Negro,

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-387574.0.html

Sam and Negro,

I came online just now to see if you guys have woken up from your delusion. Unfortunately, I just found out through nairaland, a very personal and terrible news which leaves me devoid of strength and initiative.

But let me just point out one thing here.  Have you two noticed how you are singing your self- praises? It appears you need to reassure yourself enough because of self-doubt.  When reality catches up with you and you see how dumb you are, the next thing is to declare yourself to be a genius and so remain in that delusional world.

I will advise you guys to put your talent to work by authoring some works of fiction.  Afterall, Micheal Moore did the same thing and made himself a millionaire even though he critices capitalism.  What a bunch of self delusional hypocrites.

@topic,

So sad. That's my cousin! I just called and woke my brother up in Lagos on reading this news. He is not even aware yet of what has happened. I don't even know how my Dad and other elderly people within the family will handle this. What a shame! what a shame!!!!

@Sam,

It is obvious that you are psychotic. I wonder if I should bother at all.

@Sam Milla,

Please do not try to patronise me by telling me to cool down. You are no different than Negro with respect to the ability to hold a cvil discuss. I intentionally ignored your earlier invectives hoping that you were just carried away by an adrenalin rush that is a product of your self-promotion.

You might want to redeem yourself by answering the questions I posed to Negro, or do you disagree with him with respect to the deployment of the National Guard?

As to the intentions of the US in Haiti, I will like to know where you are coming from to know how to deal with you. Are you one of those that believe the US was responsible for the earthquake? It is good to know these premises because you conspiracy theorists have different levels of psychosis that should be treated uniquely.

And you did not just try to defend Negro's inability to comprehend the simple sentence that I constructed regarding the event and the timing of Isreal's landing in Haiti did you?

@Negro,

Sam, here comes another fool! Tayo, shut up! You have active and non active reservists. This classification is an attribute of their priority in line to a service call (activation). It does not in anyway relate to scheduling in their personal lives. If active or non active reservists are contacted to report for tour, they must be at the designated reporting location within a stipulated time and that time is managed by the military, not their private sector employer. An employer cannot say I need him/ her to finish a project before leaving to report to unit training. You sure have lost your mind!

Is your aim to quench discuss by resorting to name-calling? Here's an insecure person who cannot argue with facts, but always see the need to demonise those who intellectually disagree with him. You have not done anything here to massage your image. There is a simple way to resolve this issue. What is the fastest time that a NG unit has ever been deployed abroad? You mentioned a stipulated time. What is the average time given to NG members to report for National duty (I hope you are aware that most NG members are controlled by the State Govt). Do you think the Natiaonal Guard can be deployed to Haiti as fast as the military was? Please provide this answers with proofs to back 'em up. I can only suffer fools gladly for so long.

Because IDF immersed itself in a scenario that truly raises the eyebrows! There is nothing funny in that, unless you are Tayo D!

Tell that to the Haitian lady who just named her new-born baby Isreal in honor of a country who was out there to help. I wonder why she didn't name the child Negro!

When you say "fact", you are giving a sense of certainty. Then you continue and say "perharps" to express uncertainty. Get back to the people that manage your thinking and bring a better story to support your argument

This is where english language fails you. I used "fact" with respect to the event and "perhaps" with respect to the timing. Unlike you, I have learned to separate what I know as fact from what I am not too sure about.

Negro,

As long there are sheep there will forever be sheperds to corall them. .

Whatever! If calling yourself a sheep or a shepherd helps massage your bloated ego, you can knock yourself out!

Yeah I said that!! Are you sure you want to debate American military history with me? Listen pal, The National Guard was the first component of the US military force. From their inception to date they have always been sent to foreign soil when deemed necessary and in a number of times as the only force deployment. . . not as an embed unit. Get your historical account right from wherever you are subscribing it. If I may add, The US National Guard had been on tour of duty to Haiti before. So sending them now, instead of Marines would be quite in place and a match for their role to the US disaster recovery efforts in that nation

No thanks. I do not need history lessons from people who cannot separate facts from fiction. The history of the NG is not relevant to this discussion just as the fact that they were the first military establishment in the US. What is relevant is their constitutional role which is very clear. I have NG colleagues who are deployed to Iraq to serve embedded with the military. They had more than a year's notice before being sent abroad. Please do us a favor and kindly prove to us that there has been any NG unit deployed abroad with less than a few month's notice. I will thank you profusely if you can prove that I am wrong.

@Sam Milla,

I never said I was an expert at anything.

I can't tell you why any of those nations are not in Haiti because I do not make statements based on conjecture like you are obviously contented at doing. If the US is up to no good, please prove so with facts. Your theories or whatever they may be called are not based on any facts but the fruits of your widely fertile imagination.

With people like Negro backing you up, you have a very large audience that are willing to play your games that are based on imagination and not facts.

As to your reply about Isreal, you certianly missed my point. Infact, you went on a totally different tangent. The IDF is not there to protect Haiti but Isrealites. Do you know anything about what happend in Munich?

@topic,

Conspiracy theories! They never cease!

Someone asked why the National Guard was sent to New Orleans while the Army was sent to Haiti. It's like asking why the military was sent to Iraq and not the Police Force. The National Guard duty is mainly domestic. They are not set up to work overseas except if they are embedded with the military. Besides, most members of the National Guard work full time in the private sector. It takes time to call them off work and get them out there, unlike the military men that are soldiers 24/7! If we were to call up the National Guard, I doubt the US will have 500 people in Haiti now.

It's quite funny that people are raising eyebrows about the IDF being in Haiti. Everyone neglects the fact that Isreal was perhaps the first country to reach Haiti with medical staff, set up hospitals and treat the Haitian people. Perhaps the IDF is there to protect them knowing that the hordes of Allah will not hesitate to go kill any Isreali wherever they get the chance. The lessons of Munich '72 is not lost on Isreal even though the rest of the world suffer such amnesia.

Put your imagination to productive use and try to figure out why the richest Arab countries have not so much as offered anything to help when a nation of Black people like you just suffered such a terrible loss. You want to offer us clues why the hordes of Allah are quick to destroy but absent when its time to offer lending hands?

@Negro,

Tayo, why do you say the bill is dead?

Because it was given a dose of its own medicine - "death-panel-icine"!

An ode to Obamacare titled "The day Obamacare died".  Very funny!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2scxJNXjMI