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@Muzbo,

@Naijacann, are you saying that by taking the war to the terrorist it will bring peace? You put some valid points but you like most people do not comprehend where these terrorists are coming from. All your points with the fight fire with fire solutions equals fighting the fire from the surface. This is what you should know: terrorists don't have a problem with America or Americans, these terrorists and their sponsors only hate US foreign policy. So whether it started with Bush, Clinton or the Snr Bush doesn't matter but Obama wants to change these policies and embrace the Muslim world. Did Bush win any of the wars he started in his 8 years- NO, he only made America more unpopular everywhere. Your points are valid but missing the crux.

I made a statement earlier which I'll repeat here.  I'll appreciate if you will point out its veracity or otherwise.  Peace is maintained in our world only through the instrumentality of force. This explains why every nation on earth has a police force.  The lack of such will bring anarchy to the nation.

Please be aware that Bush fought Al Quaeda on two fronts - militarily and ideologically.  This is to be expected because while some can be persuaded of the error of their ways, others will not stop from doing evil unless they are stopped through the use of force.  Bush's efforts are largely succesful which explains the following from the AP news this week - "U.S. national security adviser James Jones said last weekend that the al-Qaida presence has diminished, and he does not "foresee the return of the Taliban" to power.

He said that according to the maximum estimate, al-Qaida has fewer than 100 fighters operating in Afghanistan without any bases or ability to launch attacks on the West. - http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gLjgdXU8KLh71Hf-NLRD3a5NzT8gD9B5T9J00

Al Quadea is on the run not because of diplomacy but because of brute force.  As Naijacann eloquently mentioned before, Al Quaeda and their threat grew under Clinton but have been diminishing since Bush took them on.  This is a fact!

@Radiant,

Do you understand the word "peace"?

Our world is warped. That explains why peace can only be achieved through the use of force. Remove the threat of the courts, prison and the police and our world will descend into chaos.

@Aloy.Emeka,

What is funny about that response?. What is so funny about racism?. You are happy racists are trying to frustrate Obama because of his skin colour?

What is funny is that people like you actually believe that racism is behind this! No wonder you believe every opposition to Obama must be race motivbated. Can you reason beyond skin pigmentation?

Do you also agree with my light-hearted conspiracy theory that the IOC denied Chicago the hosting right to the Olympics because Obama is black? Again I laugh!

@strangleyo,

America will pay dearly for electing a black president. Nations of the world are far
more racist towards blacks and feel they are too superior to continue to enrich a nation run by a black man.

What a classic response!

@Ikomi,

A good sign of low life.

I dont speak to people with such vocabulary. Now we know why you cant think straight.

Men, I've had so much fun wounding you up and down. Is that the best you can come up with?  I repeat, your a*ss is mine, and I can do with it whatever I want. 

I shall stop there.

Wisest decision you've made so far.  You would have proven much wiser if you had restrained from posting falsehood in the first place.  As long as my humble self is around (nairaland's truth detector), you can't possibly get away with such lies.

Ciao.

@Ikomi,

At that point dont you think it would be wise to keep quiet, and if you cannot keep quiet, then argue constructively.

If only you will follow your own advice. Why not keep quiet instead of propagating falsehood as truth? So far, I have not made an erronous statement but you have. I believe statement of truths are more constructive than lies. Something for you to think over!

Tayo-D which mental home did you escape from?

I'm having so much fun seeing you display extreme emotions at my beck and call. Your mental state is mine to control. Not only do I call out your lies, I determine your experience of life at my choosing. I own your a*ss men!

@Ikomi,

Tell me what you have added to this conversation since you came in if not insultive diversions.

Listen if you confess you are an animal that knows how to use the internet, there is a big chance you might earn yourself a place in the Guinnes book of records.

Aah. I can see that I have touched a nerve. Does that mean you've decided to interprete my contribution in a certain way and not another?

Let's put it this way, I may have nothing to say about a belligerernt nation test-firing missiles at will. However, I am not here propagating error on the www like you are doing. Your eror has been called out here as before, and instead of taking the honorable path and admitting it, you want to use the agbero style bold-face to ram your errors down our throat. It aint happening bro!

@Ikomi,

That is one line u picked from following me around. At least you are learning something.

You are not a fly in the ointment afterall.

You know what a fly follows around? IT's a dead putrid carcass. Get the jist?

@Ikomi,

You call those personal attacks? They are just statement of truth. And by the way, jokes are more funny when they actually express the truth. Still wondering if the whole thing is a joke? That's another home work for you!

@Ikomi,

Thats the only sincere statement av heard from you on this forum

See what I mean!? You have such a unique ability to deceive yourself and yet keep a straight face. Your giftings are without equal.

@Ikomi,

You must be one of my fan to be one of my critic.

Keep following me around. Good to know someone is keeping watch.

Absolutely. I admire your ability to put on a facade of knowledge despite being wrong. Not many people can do it. It is a gift!

@Tudor,

I thought ahmadinajad spoke persian. . . .

How dare you contradict what Ayatollah Ikomi said. He declared that the king of Persia speaks Arabic and you have the guts to contradict him. Who do you think you are to contradict the self-proclaimed expert in Middle East Affairs? Until Ayatollah Ikomi said it, I used to think that being a Shiite means you belong to a certain faith within Islam. But he opened my understanding that a Shiite is a member of an ethnic group. You have to learn to forego everything you think you know in ME affairs when you are discussing with the Ayatollah! You are bound to learn new and incredle things!

@Pres-elect,

Don't mind the IOC jare. They are all a bunch of racists. Is it not given that the only reason to oppose Obama on any issue is becuase of his skin pigmentation? If we look closer, I'm sure we'll find out that Joe Wilson had a hand in that decision. Bunch of Obama-hating racists!

@Pres-elect,

and the worst he wants bipartisanship . . . .

You just have the knack for reporting errors with so much confidence. Obama seeking bipartisanship? For where? Where is the history to prove this? If he could have his way, he would have passed the healthcare bill without a single Republican support. In an attempt to blame the Republicans for the disunity in the DNC, he is now stylishlish hiding behind the mantra of bipartisanship. We need new lies at this point. The old ones are so stale.

@Kobo,

Well, the confirmation from Iran is new. The feigned outrage would be Israel pretending things have suddenly changed, since it has known all this while now of this second site. Like I said, Israel needs to calm down and watch what the UN/World will do with this new confirmation from Iran itself.

It's one thing for Isreal to have been making the case before now for a more proactive response to Iran's nuclear programmes, and its another thing for the facts they have been pointing out to be made so glaring to the rest of the world with such a very typical response.  Isreal's outrage is unpretentious.  Perhaps the most important statment that was made at the last UN general assembly was uttered by Bibi, saying to the nations who continue to treat Iran's threat with kid's glove: "have you no shame?"  That statement and everything else is non-pretentious!

By the way, Iran's only military plane that monitors its airspace against external threat crashed last week just about when the new nuclear facility was confirmed.  Guessed where it crashed?  On Ayhatollah Khomeni's grave!  Now that is so funny, it must take a divine orchestration to have made happen.  Does anyone remember that the corpse of this same was trampled upon during his burial ceremony?  Talk about "double wahala for "deadi bodi".   

Eye witnesses reported that the flaming planes landed on the mausoleum burial site of the Islamic revolution's founder Ruhollah Khomeini, a national shrine. According to Western observers, no distress signals came from either cockpit indicating that the collision and explosions were sudden and fast.

The loss of this airborne control system has left Iran's air force and air and missile defenses without "electronic eyes" for surveillance of the skies around its borders. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1c6_1253744018

Saudi Arabia
NOT COMING Perhaps just as well, since King Abdullah Bin-Abd-al-Aziz Al Saud has at least seven wives. Think of the seating plan.

The seating plan would be the least of the wahala. How will you tell the women apart in any picture when they'll all probab y be covered from head to toe like our Eyo masquerade (only they'll be in black)!

@Kobokunkie,

Israel needs to calm down. I mean not certain if this post is factual, but concerning this nuclear issue with Iran, I think Israel needs to chill and watch for a while what the world (UN) is going to do with the new revelation from Iran.

I don't understand what you mean by new revelation. According to reports, the US, Britain and France have known about this facility for a while now through their intelligence sources. What is new is the feigned outrage now coming from Russia, US, Britain and co.

@Ibime,

Not to mention the whitewashing of African culture over there and the subjugation of the native Africans by light-skinned mulattos. You cannot get into some clubs unless you are a mulatto. I witnessed this first hand

No wonder the bad belle for Angola. You went all the way from PH City only to gate crash at the Club? Sorry ehn. Better luck next time.

By the way, MJ's Doctor is still available to offer you the latest technology in skin pigmentation augmentation. As long as you are lucky enough to wake up from the drug dosage administerd by the Doctor, you can be sure of a heroes welcome back at the same Club that ones bonced you!

@naliakar,

They can't/wont do it. It is simply suicidal.

This is not an attempt to authenticate the report. However, is it not even more suicidal to wait till Iran obtains a nuclear weapon?

@topic,

Abeg, let Iran go on sohun and build the nuclear bomb and whatever bomb they have in mind! When they are done, let them transfer the technology (better still), the finished products to their proxy Army in the form of Hamas, Hezbollah, and possibly an ally in Al Quaeda.

All this talk and threat of sanctions that the joke called the UN could not enforce against Iraq is what they now plan to enforce against Iran? Let the mayhem start soon. Everyone sould own their own weapons and let's wipe each other off the planet earth.

@pres-elect,

i disagree. despite all the rhetoric, john kerry lost in 04 mainly b/c he lost ohio. if he won ohio he would have been in the oval office now doing his 2nd term.and how did he loose ohio? similar to florida loss in 2000 _____the secretary of state for ohio (my ken blackwell, an african american) sat on top of a very fraudulent election that was bedevilled by allegations of fraud and dissappearance of ballots. he was a republican under governor taft. he rigged it for bush, that was why many people were dissappointed when kerry conceeded and even started a conspiracy theory of ''skulls'' affiliation btw bush and kerry.

This your story has as much credibility as the myth that Bush orchestrated 911.  But you are free to live in the alternate universe you have built with your imagination.

kerry lost, the next yr mr ken blackwell now went to seek election as the republican candidate for gov of ohio, and his republican brothers remembered that he is black, they voted for a white democrat. . . .

The same republican brothers who elected the first Black justice to the Supreme Court even though the Dems wanted to skin the guy alive?  The same Republicans who elected a Black man as the Chairman, not forgetting that he was their gubenatorial candidate just a year before?  The same Republicans who were the first to elect a Black Senator to the US Senate?  You have taken race-baiting to a new low my friend.  You must be very desperate at this point!

Do you realise that the Dems are asking Peterson, one of only two Black Governors in the country to not run in the next NY governorship race? They want to replace him with a White person. Do you think they are being racist to do that?

@Davidylan,

He's white, he doesnt have to worry about a failed policy. Obama is struggling to survive his first yr in office.

You are so despicable. The same Bush can hardly show up in public now without being followed around by sadists like you at every turn. His name has almost been destroyed by political hitmen and thugs and yet you are telling us that his beign White gave him a free pass? What are you smoking?

Kerry lost in 2004 BECAUSE Bush and co used false intelligence to con the people about the terrorism threat level. Americans were still in the throes of 9-11 and the Iraq war that just started . . . all Karl Rove and co needed to do was paint democrats as weak on terror and Kerry's campaign was doomed.

That's what's called campaign strategy, stupid! Obama won the last election because he had a better campaign strategy - turn McCain to Bush's evil twin.

Obama won 4 yrs later because America's economy was already on the verge of collapse, bearing the burden of 2 wars. Even if a republican had run against a 5 yr old, he would have lost.

You mean relevant issues can get in the way of American's inherent racism? You mean the racist Whites (who by your race-baited definition can see nothing good in a Black man), chose to elect the "no-good" Black over a pure and superior White Race when their lives dependent on it? Man is superior to animals. Do you think you will chose an animal to lead you in a crisis when you have the choice to have a fellow man do that? Beginning to see how stu[id you are looking on the www?

You have a big problem with the word "overwhelmingly". I'd like to get an overwhelming vote even while losing by a huge 12% margin.

And you obviously don't understand the concept of relativity. A 12% vote difference among Whites represents an overwhelming difference when compared to an 80% vote difference among Blacks. Learn to think critically.

What absolute, dishonest rubbish. What is the difference between slavery and racism? both explicitly say you're not better than a dog . . . the only difference being i dont have the right to sell you as property. So you think racism is better than slavery? I pity you.

You are such a dunce! Slavery is borne out of racism. The Whites did not enslave fellow Whites but Blacks because of racism. One is the cause, the other is the effect. Plese wise up!

You can legislate against slavery but not racism? So what was the civil rights bill all about? what was desegregation all about? Abeg go and sit down!

The civil rights bill did not legislate against racim. It's intention was to give the State the power to punish acts motivated by racism. Racism did not stop the day the bill was passed, rather it removes any motivation to carry out racim for fear of Uncle Sam's big stick. For instance, even though both you and cap28 are racist, you cannot enslave a White man today because of the civil rights bill no matter how much you desire to. While you cannot own slaves, you are still racist. Get it now, Mr Black Supremacist?

Of course you can be an ass licker.

Naa. You're are doing a great job already. I've learnt to let the experts do their thing. You were born to lick asses. May you never run out of asses to lick!

@cap28,

no you are the confused one -this debate has been about whites who refuse to accord blacks the same respect that they accord their white counterparts and i have not departed from that position - i have tried to explain to you without  much success that the reason they do this is because of their inherent racism which majority of them have- i think you are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome - a psychological disorder where victims of abuse develop a positive emotional bond with their abuser which is manifested by way of extreme loyalty irrespective of how abusive the relationship becomes.  this is why it is impossible to get through to you, you are psychologically programmed into a victim abuser relationship.

I will not waste my time cataloguing again your very unfortunate posts.  It is there for everyone to see. Repeating those racist statements is sure to make me sick to my stomach.  Unrepentant race-baiters like you do so for many reasons.  Chief amongst them is to provide a ready excuse for your failure in matters of life and career.  With so many race-baiters like you out there, it becomes acceptable to blame your failures on the White man.  People like us are a threat to you becuase we provide adequate reasons to debunk the myth that you so wish to hang on to. Find some other excuses man. This racism horse has been beaten to death.

what goes on in the west is much more insidious blacks are singled out and scapegoated by the ruling elite to prevent working class blacks and whites from uniting against the common enemy the elite and overthrowing their capitalist system, because this has been going on for centuries it is now ingrained in the psyche of every white person that blacks are inferior.

How is that different from what goes on in Nigeria? The average Hausa man believes he should rule over every other tribe.  They have been fed with this notion from as far back as Naija became a nation.  They are meant to rule and others are meant to be ruled. What's the difference? Oh I forget, its the skin pigmentation, baa?

majority of those congressmen are beholden to their corporate paymasters who make huge donations to their respective political parties, in other words they are paid to ensure that legislation favourable to corporate fat cats is passed through congress, they are not beholden to the people at all, therefore the  idea that these congressmen are acting in the best interests of the public is a complete joke and this makes wilson's heckling of obama all the more contemptible - this man wasnt challenging obama on an issue that he had any strong convictions on he was merely heckling because he simply doesnt like the fact that a black man is the president of the united states!

It's funny how you think. You started by saying the overiding concern of every congressman is to do the bidden of their paymasters.  The logical conclusion of your statement is to link Wilson's outburst to how it was an attempt to protect the corporate master's interest.  A thinking person will realise that there is a disconnect between the cause and effect you are describing here.  Get off those cheap drugs, man.  Believe me, its for your own good.

You know one of the reaons why I like capitalism which you obviously hate? It has one of the main attributes the Bible associates with God - it does not respect a man's person.  Any enterpreneur (White or Black), will employ you irrespective of your colour if you can prove to him that you will make him $100 for every $1 he spends to retain your services.  If you make yourself worthwhile, capitalism will worth your while - that irrespective of your skin pigmentation!

@pres-elect,

I'm glad to be providing you with some comic relief at no cost at all.

What you have failed to realise is that those charges did not stick on him throughout the campaign. He spoke middle of the road with a mantra of change that no one could really point at. He was a chameleon who couldn't show his true colours then. Now that the wind is blown and the fowl yansh is revealed, many are now not sure that this was the yansh they had in mind.

@Davidylan,

those are black votes! What of the white votes? Do you think if Obama were white McCain would have a chance in hell?

What a stupid question! Asking a question whose answer is based on a subjected disposition and not facts is really asinine. Bush won a second term despite a failed foreign policy record. Obama won McCain despite solely because he was tied to Bush at the waist. It can be safely said that both Kerry and Obama ran against Bush. Kerry a White man lost and Obama a Black man won and you are here crying racism? Please go sit down.

Just pls stop lying and using face-saving but puerile argument. Even if Obama had been white he'd still get the traditional black vote as a democrat.

And if America was racist as you claim, Obama would have only got about 10% or less of the White vote. That was not the case. The 'racist' White people voted for him overwhelmingly to become President.

lol you believe that lie? And why after the civil war did blacks not get the freedom that you allege whites shed their blood for? Why did it take Lyndob Johnson's civil rights bill to get blacks to drink from the same fountain as whites?

What a dunce. You can end slavery, but not racism. Do you know the difference? You cannot legislate against racims even though you can legistlate against slavery!

Many of you white butt-lickers sicken me.

Sorry to dissapoint you. You may call me all manner of names that you like, but I will not be a race-baiter like you!

@cap28,

As for Lincoln desiring to not end slavery, you have to understand his stance was mainly a constitutional one.  The Federal Govt was not as powerful in those days as it is today.  Such matters were constiututionally left to the States to decide.  States had the right to do what they wanted, but then Lincoln was quick to point out that "all men were created equal". The secession bid by the Southern States gave Lincoln the opportunity to enforce his will on the States. Why then did slavery end after the war was won by the Union?

As for Abe's quotes, I could come up with a lot of them. Notable among them would include those he made at the Gettysburg address. Was it not Lincoln who said: "this question of Slavery was more important than any other; indeed, so much more important has it become that no other national question can even get a hearing just at present."

@cap28,

no i accuse whites who refuse to accord blacks the same respect that they accord their own people of being racist and i accuse blacks who turn a blind eye to white people's disrespectful and abusive behaviour towards blacks as house negros and uncle toms.

You are very confused, really! You started this debate painting all Whites with a single brush of racism. When I called you out on it, you claimed otherwise but sitll went ahead trying to prove the White man is devil's incarnate. From that position, you shifted to different kinds of evil perpetuated by people with certain skin pigmentation. Now you've evolved to calling out only those who show no respects to Blacks as the racists. You sure can dance around like Maradona without scoring a goal.

i do think outside race but for a black man living in the west it is impossible to AVOID being reminded about race by white people, black people are constantly reminded of their race daily, be it through the negative perception of us in the media, the negative stereo typical images of hip hop, the statistics that we are bombarded with constantly on how badly we seem to be doing, its everywhere and aside from leaving the country, you cant escape it. In america race determines everything- it determines where you are educated, what kind of job you are likely to get, where you live even to some extent who you socialise with , date or marry.

What goes on in the West is no different than what goes on in our native country - Nigeria. The same evil is interpreted as racism in the West and tribalism in Africa. It is inherent in people to group themselves such that they exercise power over other groups. It is the self preservation inherent in ALL humans that reveals itself in this way. Accusing Whites while giving Blacks a free ride only suggest you have yielded to your basic human instict to lump yourself into a group in order to exercise some form of power over another group.

You are an individual and should learn to treat people as such. Stop this grouping!

if america has moved on as you claim why are we in 2009 having a debate about an african american president not being accorded the same respect that a white president would have been accorded.

This is becuase some of you have chosen to live in the past. If someone had been courageous enough to call Bush out when he was making a case for the Iraq war, we probably wouldn't have been in this mess. Obama lied, and Wilson calls him out on it. While Wilson chose a very wrong platform to do what he did, he could not have been more correct in his assertion that Obama was lying!

@Davidylan,

1. Blacks have ALWAYS overwhelmingly voted Democrat, even whites like John Kerry got close to 90% of the black votes. Was that racism?

So you agree that the votes could well have been a reflection of policy differences? I thot you guys could not reason beyond RACE.

2. PLEASE LEARN TO ADMIT WHEN YOU BLATANTLY LIE . . . it is NOT TRUE that Obama was elected "with an overwhelming White vote" . . . trying to use grammar to over-ride that fact makes all other argument your throw up nothing but irrelevant smokescreen.

It is overwhelming when compared with the Black votes that McCain got. It is not about grammar, it is about the truth. And the truth is this. If Whites hadn't voted for Obama the way they did, he would not have smelled the White House talkless of being its number one tenant.

When did that happen? Please dont tell me you believe the hogwash that the US civil war was fought to free blacks!

Please don't tell me you believe that slavery was not the major reaosn for the hostilities.

infantile reasoning or not YOU SIR, YOU LIE!

I am not Obama. Can you please point out where I lied?

@Davidylan,

Try looking at statistics dude, McCain beat him by a clear 12% margin among whites. He struggled to get more than 15% of the white vote in places like Alabama and Mississippi. Folks like you just spew groundless propaganda.

So is that margin grounds for racism? While McCain got about 12% more votes amongst White people than Obama, Obama got about 80% more votes amongts Blacks than McCain. If we go by your flawed reasoning, we will conclude then that Blacks must be racist. 

This is equally shameful . . . why shld blacks be enslaved to the white man in the first place? What "ultimate sacrifice" did whites pay that blacks shld be free?

Learn to think objectively.  I never said Blacks should have been slaves in the first place.  History reveals that Blacks have been slaves to Blacks, Whites and everything in between.  However, Whites are the ones who turned agisnt each other and killed each other to set Blacks free.  What other race did that?  While Blacks sold their Brothers into slavery for money, we do not know of Blacks turning on each other to end such a terrible practice.

Sometimes you just wonder how blacks reason. Soon they'll be asking us to be grateful that we can work in white-majority countries.

You are the one that needs to check your infantile reasoning.  For Whites to have sacrificed their lives to free Black people should tell you that you cannot paint all of them with a single brush and refer to anyone with White skin as racist!

@cap28,

A very "clever" post you have above. You accuse Whites with a different opinion than you as racists and Blacks who do not race-bait like you as slaves of the White man or House Negroes. Can't you learn to think outside of Race? People like you would rather live in the early 1900s becuase the reality of today do not support your racist views. Breaking News, the President of the United States is a Black man. He was voted into office with an overwhelming White vote in modern day America. Live with it!

It does not occur to racists like you that Whites, hundreds of thousands of them paid the ultimate sacrifice so that Black men could be free. But of course, acknowledging that does not empower your pre-disposition to racism. I live and work amongst people of all races and there are evil White people as much as there are evil Black people. Attempting to link evil to skin pigmentation is an adventure in futility. But of course you maintain some relevance by feeding gullible people with such balderdash. I trust you wont desist from such an act in the near future.

@adconline,

It was a near consensus amongst economists on the left and right. Those at the corridor of power,influence  and knowledge in your party agreed that stimulus was the way to go.

This is what happens when you just ingest talking points from the dronic Left. It is part of the lies you guys just propagate.  How many Economists did you poll to make such a bold and very misleading statement?

Apart from the CBO that declared that the stimulus willdo more harm than good, here's some information for you to digest.

The Cato Institute, a non-partisan think tank that takes broadly free-market views, was frustrated enough by the conventional wisdom in Washington that it took out a full-page ad on page 11 of the New York Times on Wednesday. The ad, which will also appear in Roll Call magazine and Thursday's Washington Post, is signed by scores of economists and says "we do not believe that more government spending is a way to improve economic performance."

Greg Mankiw, a Harvard economics professor who was chairman of George W. Bush's Council of Economics Advisors, is a self-described stimulus skeptic; he recently pointed out the Democratic Congress' own budget office says that only 8 percent of the proposed "stimulus" spending will take place in the 2009 fiscal year. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/28/politics/otherpeoplesmoney/main4759532.shtml

Stop reproducing Washington's talking points here as facts.

@adconline,

Facts?  Are you really seeking facts? Question. Was Wilson's accusation at Obama the truth or was it a lie? Was Obama  economical with the truth when he said illegals will not be covered? Was he economical with the truth when he declared in the same SOU address that a man's insurance was declined during treatment which led to his death? These are issues that can be confirmed by data and not the subjective accusation of racism at a man who has genuine policy disagreement with a decietful president!