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Nateevs2:
This is not an arithmetic class.... it's war. Unless you are Israel, every other nation treats war exactly as it should be - an extention of political negotiation, not a means for annihilation.

Iran doesn't need to annihilate Israel. They have never wanted to, so there's no need to continue to fire 90 middle a days. What strategic objective does it achieve.

Iran's strategic objective was to make the cost of war so steep for the US and Israel, that everyone thinks twice before returning for a new round. The goal is not to kill civilians.

Iran exhausted Israeli and US defensive capability to a point where they chose targets in retaliation and hit.... pound for pound, without resistance.

Iran cannot push Israel to the point of existential threat... otherwise, they will provoke Israel into launching nuclear weapons. Iran know this..... so they chill on the launching of missiles.

Iran's execution of its strategic objectives does not equate 90% BS you are talking about. It's just pure nonsense.

Not even US Intelligence agrees with you..... and even then US Intelligence is still only guessing, because like I said, everything is buried underground. You don't know what you are talking about.

Are you being funny. 90% of Iran's missiles on Israel fell on civilian targets but according to you, they mean well for Israel. Are you just trying to joke. They lost their ability to fire not that their good heart made them stop.

Iran is willing to attack hotels in the UAE but you believe they care about human life?
The problem is not their willingness to shoot bombs, it's their ability to do so.

To your second point, the cost of the war. The cost was by far more expensive for Iran. Frist, if Iran was in control, they would have continued shooting more cheap missiles because it was really expensive to bring them down but they shot less and less every week. Maybe they didn't want Israel to spend so much. Remember, they have a good heart.
Now what is the cost on Iran?
The have lost much of their manufacturing, their economy is shit. They have not paid their military.

This year the Israeli economy is projected to grow by 3.8% one of the highest of any developed country while. Your friends at Iran will actually have a contracted economy of 2.8% one of the worst in the world so what are you talking about. Who's purse is the war affecting the most?

Lastly, I am willing to bet that you didn't even bother to read the story before sending the screenshot. I am not moved by headlines, send the link.

basilico:
A lot are disappointed, Trump is such a failure.
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He captured Maduro , no loss of life. They called him attacking a sovereign nation, were silent when Reagan invaded Panama to capture Noriega.
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He is severely degrading Iran military.The disappointed lot are not happy Iran has not killed thousands of civilians so far or damaged Dimona reactor.

3. Cease-fire
The disappointed lot can't imagine oil won't be hitting $200 per barrel. They are disappointed the Straits if Hormuz will reopen albeit for two weeks.

One can write a book detailing their disappointments.

I tell you.
The number of people hoping for a total collapse of the global economy is what surprises me. This world is truly evil. Many were willing to chew their hands just to have Iran win.

GracieX3:
Lol....see delusional MAGA.

5 countries in the middle east are being bombed because of Trump's Iran war....yet Trump is bringing peace to the middle east. Ask Lebanon how peaceful reality bombs to their civilians are.

The American economy is suffering from inflation and unemployment, yet Trump is doing well.




Even Conservatives are turning against Trump but we have Nigerian MAGA here still deep in the cult...

Lol see delusional leftist
Just the same way the allied forces brought peace to the world in 1945. They did not do it by negotiating or allowing German and nazi ambition, they stoop up to it. Trump and Israel are standing up to Iran. Obama was Iran's sugar daddy who gave them all the funds to build their military so if you will blame anyone for the 5 countries being bombed please blame sugar daddy.

Before the war, inflation was its lowest in 4 years after the war, it will go back to its great numbers. Again, the MVP of inflation remains a certain Biden. Trump still has a lower average inflation rate in his 5 years as president then any democrate this decade.

Yes a few conservatives are turning against him but a courageous man knows that life will not always be a popularity contest. In 2016 most Americans were against Trump's immigration policies but by 2024 most wanted it. The people will always move like the weather but a great leader is constant in the pursuit of his beliefs.
Yes the Nigerian MAGA support Trump while the Nigerian leftist support DEI and men in female locker rooms.

nateevs:
What has Trump done to end the nuke ambition? Tell us. What is the specific thing he has done?

The special operations to hike Uranium from Isfahan 3 days ago failed, when Iran shot down 8 aircrafts.

Iran will have a bomb and nothing can be done about it

You have not touched Iran's missile cities, so the capacity to manufacture and launch missile remain intact. As a matter of fact, you will see this when Israel breaks the ceasefire very soon.

Iran has not even fired any of its 4000km range missiles that remain intact.

He killed a few guys at the top. Those guys have been replaced by more resolute hard liners who were previously begging Khamenei to reverse the Fatwa on the Nuclear bomb development.

So what exactly has the US achieved?

Absolutely nothing!

I don't know where you get your news from so can we begin with that before we can discuss any further?

You claim that Iran shot down 8 American planes, can you provide your sources?

If we don't agree on the news, then there is no point debating so let's settle that first.
Give me your sources for the gunned down planes. Because it never happened.

Also, Iran started the war with launching more than 100 missiles a day but as of recently, they don't do up to 10 a day so clearly 90% of that capacity is lost and 100% of their manufacturing is gone.

GracieX3:
Yes, Trump will by far have the most stories tied about him- much more than any other president. This is because he has done so many notorious things within his presidency.



1. Trump has killed peace in the middle east. Since the Iran War that he started with Israel, at least 3 other Arab countries have been bombed.

2. Obama is not listed on the Epstein file. Trump has the most mentions in the Epstein file- even more than Clinton.

3. Trump is a serial cheat and liar. An adulterer, who somehow is a moral Christian to both American and Nigerian conservative Christians.

4. Inflation and unemployment are skyrocketing in America. Trump has managed to mess up the economy even worse than sleepy Joe aka comatose Joe Biden.

5. He is the first president in this era of social media to post a racist content on his own social media profile. To add the cherry on top, IT WAS RACIST AGAINST ANOTHER PRESIDENT (OBAMA).

Quite the contrary, He has brought peace to the middle east by weakening Iran and exposing Iran. Obama funded and enhanced Iran. If not for Obama's funds or Obamacare for Iran, the terrorists wouldn't have been able to build the military infrastructure to bomb their neighbours. Now, Trump has reduced all that.

2. You are right Obama is not in the Epstein file because he was not working with the police to stop Epstein like Trump. The files actually allege that Trump was a police informant on Epstein.

3. Like most humans, we cheat and lie. Trump is not perfect but overall he is a blessing to mankind. So far, he has resolve at least 7 international conflicts. Obama actually triggered the conflict in Libya that remains the root of insecurity in west Africa and Nigeria.

4. Inflation was going down before the war and it will continue to go down after the war. If you want the ultimate lesson on inflation, ask Biden who brought about the worst inflation in 40 years.

5. He has done more for the African Americans than Obama the so called first black president. He is more black than Obama.
Well in Obama's defence, he was doing more for the LGBTQ community.
Please, remind us, what was Obama's biggest achievement for the blacks.

nateevs:
Clown! Oya let's get into it then. What Trump wanted vs what Iran wanted.

Let's list them. Let's see if you know what you are talking about.

No nukes is the most important.
Ending Iran's missile development.
And of course sending all Iranian supreme government to their virgins.
He would be too greedy to ask for more.

nateevs:
Show us the military success! You mean all US based in the Middle East wiped off the map?

That kind of success?

Lol
All military bases in Iran wiped out. All of Iran's navy wiped out, all Iran's military leaders wiped out. All Iran's air defence wiped out. All Iran's military industry wiped out, 90% of Iran's ability to fire missiles and drones gone.
Now that you know these, do you still think this is victory for Iran or will you change your mind in the light of new information?

Obrigardo:
I don't see any other set of people who do this. When you lose, just say you lost. This fake posturing does more to make you look more like a deranged cultist than an actual thinking human being.

Obama handled Iran better. No military equipment destroyed, no thousands of innocent lives lost, TelAviv is still being pummeled as we speak.

Sore losers.

Are you a child?
This is a war, there with definitely be loses. But compared, the US and Israel put together lost less than a thousandth of what Iran lost.
For every successful bomb Iran landed, it was hit by over a hundred more effective bombs.
It took over 13,000 successful hits for Iran to shoot down one plane.
I don't know how you understand defeat and victory.

Obama did not handle Iran, he allowed and enhanced Iran. He was to scared to take action.

But then, I remember he took action in Libya and lost 4 American lives even though American was not at war.

He funded Iran with billions. The money he gave to Iran funded Hezbollah and Hamas.

Anyway, since you are a fanboy of Hamas, I see why you think Obama did better.

Obrigardo:
Stop putting yourself to shame. Why don't you just take the L and move on?

Nairaland boys, you kids never change. Even in defeat, you keep talking.
The world is witnessing the actions of one of its greatest leaders. We have seen one of the greatest military success but somehow it's a failure to you.
Trump got everything he wanted from this.
What did Iran get from this, please tell us?

Trump keeps his promises.
No endless wars.
No nukes for Iran.
We need leaders like this who would do what it takes to get positive results.
Smart talking and great public speaking do not always provide results.
A crazy tweet or in Trump's case, Truth may have a far greater impact.

The world needs a man like Trump, a man not afraid to solve difficult problems.
He has shown that the only way to treat terrorists is by not blinking to them or to their sympathisers no matter how noisy they may be.
There will be peace in the middle east.
Oil flow will be restore.
Iran will never regain its formal evil glory.
Iran will never build a nuke.
And, the strait of Hormuz is now the strait of Trump.
If a book is written about all US presidents, Trump will have by far, the longest chapter.

Emeskhalifa:
You don't fight someone who has nothing left to loose.

You sanctioned them for 47yrs, still they thrived above that.

Except America is willing to kill civilians without guns or any form of weapons tonight, the world is watching.

They are not longer civilians, they have taking a military stand. But then, let the US spare them.

Where did God say he had a son or that he himself will come as man to be executed for the sins of humanity.
Which prophet preached about this plan. Because Amos 3:7 says God does nothing without revealing it to his servants the prophet.

Good question. God revealed the coming of His Son to several prophets of old. The most notable is Isaiah.
Isaiah 53:4-5: "Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows... But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed."
Isaiah 53:10: "Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him... when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin.

It contradicts it because if you commits the sin , it is you that has to repair your relationship with God, somebody else doing it for you won't work. It is you by your sin has strained the relationship, how would somebody else dying restore that? You have to confess and forsake or provide the animal and you have to be there when the animal is slaughtered.
Wrong. It is you that has to repent and God then forgives you. And He is able to forgive because He has paid the price of your sin. So this is not taking away your personal responsibility. Zero contradiction.


If you sin, it is you that would be stoned to death or executed. Not somebody else, it is you that will serve the punishment. You can't commit a sin and somebody else will be killed. It does not happen with humans, it certainly will not happen with God. That is what Ezekiel is saying.
Yes, if you sin you will face the punishment but if you repent you will be forgiven because God Himself has taken upon Himself your sin.

I believe you understand it better now.

DeepSight:
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What's wrong with a census. And notice just like with Pharaoh it's Yahweh who goes about putting the idea into David's mind in the first place before punishing him for it.
Isn't it weird that he slaughters 70, 000 innocent people for this?

Is it weird? Yes, the story is just like a few others in the bible. We don't know God's reason for all His actions but accusing the creator of life of murder is just crazy.
Hope you know that God will ultimately take all life. Death is a part of His plan.

In the case of David, I don't know the reasons of His actions.

But honestly, I think it is ok not to understand everything about God.

I will do some more learning and get back to you if I have a better explanation.

Galapagous:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVBOpmHj9FK/?igsh=MTVtdnFnMzEyZXJrZg==

That is for the Syria.

i am glad you accept there is classification and declassification going on. Meaning the mainstream will have to report false new or remove the country involvement on purpose, till it is declassified, then come up with a cookup story that new evidence resurface. So you can't believe everything from mainstream media, as there are two party involved. I am not saying everything from the US is wrong all the time, but if it threatenes national interest, then another story will run.

Do you even understand the meaning of classified info? It mean mainstream media doesn't have access to it so they can't report it.
I don't believe everything from the mainstream or any other media source.
But please could you answer my simply question and provide your sources on Syria?

You need to do this if you are really serious.

DeepSight:
Who can explain the murderous callousness here?

2 Samuel 24

1 Again the anger of the Lord burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, “Go and take a census of Israel and Judah.”

2 So the king said to Joab and the army commanders[a] with him, “Go throughout the tribes of Israel from Dan to Beersheba and enroll the fighting men, so that I may know how many there are.”

3 But Joab replied to the king, “May the Lord your God multiply the troops a hundred times over, and may the eyes of my lord the king see it. But why does my lord the king want to do such a thing?”

4 The king’s word, however, overruled Joab and the army commanders; so they left the presence of the king to enroll the fighting men of Israel.

5 After crossing the Jordan, they camped near Aroer, south of the town in the gorge, and then went through Gad and on to Jazer. 6 They went to Gilead and the region of Tahtim Hodshi, and on to Dan Jaan and around toward Sidon. 7 Then they went toward the fortress of Tyre and all the towns of the Hivites and Canaanites. Finally, they went on to Beersheba in the Negev of Judah.

8 After they had gone through the entire land, they came back to Jerusalem at the end of nine months and twenty days.

9 Joab reported the number of the fighting men to the king: In Israel there were eight hundred thousand able-bodied men who could handle a sword, and in Judah five hundred thousand.

10 David was conscience-stricken after he had counted the fighting men, and he said to the Lord, “I have sinned greatly in what I have done. Now, Lord, I beg you, take away the guilt of your servant. I have done a very foolish thing.”

11 Before David got up the next morning, the word of the Lord had come to Gad the prophet, David’s seer: 12 “Go and tell David, ‘This is what the Lord says: I am giving you three options. Choose one of them for me to carry out against you.’”

13 So Gad went to David and said to him, “Shall there come on you three years of famine in your land? Or three months of fleeing from your enemies while they pursue you? Or three days of plague in your land? Now then, think it over and decide how I should answer the one who sent me.”

14 David said to Gad, “I am in deep distress. Let us fall into the hands of the Lord, for his mercy is great; but do not let me fall into human hands.”

15 So the Lord sent a plague on Israel from that morning until the end of the time designated, and seventy thousand of the people from Dan to Beersheba died. 16 When the angel stretched out his hand to destroy Jerusalem, the Lord relented concerning the disaster and said to the angel who was afflicting the people, “Enough! Withdraw your hand.” The angel of the Lord was then at the threshing floor of Araunah the Jebusite.

17 When David saw the angel who was striking down the people, he said to the Lord, “I have sinned; I, the shepherd,[c] have done wrong. These are but sheep. What have they done? Let your hand fall on me and my family.”

Tctrills, Kukutente23, TV01, SirTee15, FreeIgboho, Gabrielshow24, ono, femi4, explain.

Didn't you understand the chapter? What explanation are you seeking? I guess you are not seeking an explanation but you are asking us to justify God's actions right?

Well God is the giver and taker of life so if every time He takes a life, you accuse Him of murder, I really don't know what to tell you.
We are about 8 billion people on earth, we all would die one day, so you can go ahead and accuse God of their murder.

But then, let me ask you, if you created anything for yourself, and you destroy it, can any court find you guilty?
If no, why do you think God is guilty of a crime?

Bro, this is a very lazy effort from you.

Verses that contradict the idea that Jesus could have died for our sins.

Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin (Deuteronomy 24:16).
It did not say that God Himself can't die for our sins. And yes, your father a sinner like you is not qualified to die for your sins.

Everyone will die for their own sin; whoever eats sour grapes—their own teeth will be set on edge (Jeremiah 31:30).
Please how does this verse contradict Christ's atonement? We still believe that every man will be punished for his sin, you wouldn't suffer for the sin of another. But we also know that forgiveness comes to us through the sacrifice of Christ. Remember, it was Christ that paid the price of sin not man but God.

The one who sins is the one who will die (Ezekiel 18:4).
You are repeating the same thing and the above explanation covers these.
Remember, it was Jehovah (Jesus Christ) who gave these revelations to man. Also, if in the same bible, men used animals to stone for sin, how much better is the blood of God Himself.

Galapagous:
Okay, that is one, how about Hilary Clinton who publicly affirm twice that they created all these militia to create instability in any country they deem not corporational. Also the new Syrian president install by US was a formal alQaeda member. It their playbook to tuple any government. They tried it with Iran, sanction, militia group and all, but it still did not work. I'll share the video once I can get hold of it. Mainstream just print what they are told. Declassified CIA report are the way to go. Mainly Cos, an entity that hold more secret than the people is stronger than the people, which was what the Larry devlin/church committee was after when lumumba case came to the open.

Sir if the US wanted to tuple governments, they actually have the power to do so in most countries but they are not.
Now, point to your sources to show that the US installed the current president of Syria. Let's start from there.
Again, the idea that the mainstream media don't report on declassified CIA reports is completely false.
Have the US tupled governments before?
Yes but extremely few. And honestly if I am the strongest nation on earth, I will be doing a lot more.

sonmvayina:
This your last quote from Isaiah destroys every other point you raised there.
Please can you show me where it says in the Tanakh that God will assume the form of a man and be sacrificed to himself in other for him to forgive humans....


And secondly you have to learn Hebrew to understand what is actually there, not the mistranslated versions you peddled up there...

Oga if you understand Hebrew, show that I mistranslated anything, don't just assume. Also, I don't understand your point in the first paragraph. Please explain better.

Keedyreal:
U can't take him to court? Just talking nonsense here for nairalanders to go and beg him on ur behalf or what?

Taking him to court is a very unwise thing to do.

DeepSight:
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Of course, especially Islam.
But I have no or barely any issues with the generality of Eastern Religions, philosophies as well as African Traditional Religion. My main issue with Hinduism rests in its relationship with the caste system which also has a highly racist component. Some fringe religions such as Jainism are also unrealistic in their pacifism. Buddhism and Taoism have a lot of elevated thoughts. Compared to these schools of thought, Abrahamic religions are quite backward or not quite as elevated, except with regard to some of their teachings on love and brotherhood, where the great master Jesus of Nazareth excels.


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Please don't be unduly repugnant.


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It is my ministry. Get thee behind me Shaitan.

No problem, continue your mission.

DeepSight:
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You ask this question because your subconscious senses that the murder of Jesus was nothing but a criminal act which probably serves to damn and not save mankind.

Hope the way you attack Christianity is the same way you fight other religions online.
You are beginning to look like an ex Christian suffering from PTSD from some very dark experience.
As a child, did any so called man of God molest you in anyway?

Almost everyone on nairaland already knows your position do don't need to press it every time.

Galapagous:
I guess you only watch new from mainstream, you don't follow the money, business deal and agreement.
Pls 🙏 do check this out

https://youtube.com/shorts/XAM0ODKA4H0?si=3D4PdsTBR8WafQYQ

https://youtube.com/shorts/yhO7ahQmJrI?si=fxe5HGmfLPLEawX6

I am sure you trust your news source. Hope you know that anyone including you can float a YouTube channel so what exactly are you trying to prove.
Unlike you, I am balanced? I get news from both the mainstream and alternative media and I am open to information.
So what exactly is your point?
I watched your video, a brunch of people arguing, what's your point.

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chieveboy:
You seem to reason that the Bible was one book which was made to be an exclusive or original source of historic data about Jesus and the others.

You are yet to grasp that it is a second or third-class information book which came about as a convenient effort by Constantine to grasp political power, where people you do not know where asked to find these letters and combine with the holy book of the religion of Judaism to form a new book.

Many Christians think God wrote it or sent some angels down to write, dictate it or something in that line of inference especially the New testament.

Many do not know that in India and other places are more factual and detailed account of Jesus's life that is more richer than the ones who compiled the books of the Bible could lay their hands on. Did you get that? it means there are more books or original content that could have been there but for unavailability or downright censorship, editing and even translation, several where hidden, didn't make it or gets twisted most times due to the technicalities of translation, and famously to hide or twist the original content to suit a purpose.

If anything, Paul, Peter, Mathew et al, never knew their innocent and people-specific private communications will one day be gathered or compiled into a Bible for a future religion to be called "Christianity". None of their letters was made as personal contribution to a certain "bible", hence were not to be applied generally for all humanity even though it carries patches of sensible didactic, philosophical, historic and religious relevance which users may use as excerpts or quotes.

No declaration can ever make an Igbo man a Jew, not even a Christian because it opposes Jewish faith is not compatible with Christianity in matters of conditions for "salvation".

So you may want to grasp this dynamics first before making the statements above. You will also like to study how vast religious empire of belief systems can be made around half knowledge and or full ignorance as in claims like "... it is the word of God".

That thing called Bible is as good as any old letter outside of the bible by people who worked for the cause of what today is Christianity which the church calls "saints", or even the ones sent within Nigeria from the north to a distant School principal in the east. If it was during the time of compilations, that letter could have made the cut.

Everyone with their opinions. But I still don't get how your write is an answer or reply to what I wrote. It seems you completely went into another topic please reverse to the old discussion.

Kaliningrad:
Iran has destroyed more US aircrafts, oil tankers, bases, radars, air defense systems, factories and industries in just one month than Ukraine has in 4 years.

The US has lost 26 aircrafts/drones in only 1 months of war. Imagine how much they'll lose in 6 months.

Iran would probably come out of this war a nuclear power, unless they're governed by extremely dvmb people.

You kids and fake news.
Anyway, Iran has lost it's entire navy, air force, air defence bases, radars, weapon factories and industries in just one month. How about that

budaatum:
I would say, yes, the crucifixion of Christ was very unjust to him and humankind.

Humans would have benefitted more if they'd not murdered Christ and allowed him to teach some more. Unfortunately, they crucified him and then wrote a story to convince you he died for your sins, the same sins most are convinced they'd still be judged for when they die, which makes his murder a complete waste.

Now you are all over the place. You are saying you don't believe the writings of the bible but somehow, you believe Jesus Christ was a great teacher who's teachings benefitted mankind.
It sounds like you are confused to me.
We know that Jesus Christ was a great teacher who's teachings benefitted mankind.from reading the bible. So it's either the stories written are true or not and no matter which, what you wrote doesn't make sense because you are assuming the bible to be true and false at the same time.

DeepSight:
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Thats a link to judicial commentary and this is what you have to say. No one can take you seriously in this matter. You have shown yourself.

Oga stop talking like a woman. If you have a point to make please do. You all are the same once your idea doesn't sell you get angry and start nagging. You remain me of Cenk Uygur

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Flangelo12:
We are say8jg the same thing.

Ok

Flangelo12:
It's ok if you walk around with a scowl.

Do you.

No bro, it's ok, if you set higher standards and do not get excited with the mediocre

IjeBos:
Just for anyone reading this.
This is what a Republican Federal Judge said after Trump tried to remove a slavery exhibit.



Here is the ruling if anyone is interested in reading it:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.paed.648842/gov.uscourts.paed.648842.53.0.pdf

Not read. Ignored

Flangelo12:
We should applaud it.

Why should we continue to dwell in negativity?

No, we don't applaud everything. I would wait to applaud meaningful change.
I get it, you are very easy to please but we all can't be like you