₦airaland Forum

Firstcitizen:
Keep embarassing yourself. You are beginning to look like the village cacophonist busking at the village market, ranting but nobody bothers to throw in a dime.

You are giving me the platform to educate and I am grateful. I would not reply your insults but use it to teach many lost souls like yours.

Now here is more
The average Nigerian consumes 7.15 kg of meat each year. The average Gazan gets 22kg of meat each year. Three times more.
This is a country that they claim is facing the worst genocide ever.
Nigerians cry for yourselves. No one from Gaza would exchange his place fro a place in your country.

Firstcitizen:
So everyone can learn from a headless dumbo chicken running around screaming high GDP and HDI ensures genocide cannot happen. What a clown

So Gaza and Egypt have very similar HDI. HDI means Human Development index.
The Human Development Index (HDI) is a statistical tool used to measure a country's overall achievement in its social and economic dimensions.
Now for a country you claim is facing a genocide, has better education and health institutions than most African countries. Please anyone in camp genocide how does this make sense.

Firstcitizen:
How can we get the post to front page.
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So everyone can see the stupidity of the author

I am beginning to enjoy your stupidity. And yes I want everyone to learn.

ShoeGetSize:
You're beginning to sound like a broken record and if you're not careful, you will end up discrediting Peter Obi.
I actually saw someone on NL writing the other day that the reason Nigeria couldn't beat Equatorial Guinea was because God is punishing us for not voting Peter Obi.
You guys are getting caught up in nonsense and over emotional sentiment and it is damaging your brand.

Forget the emotional sentiment the damage you should concern yourself with is the total destruction of the Nigerian economy. If you like, keep fighting your fellow Nigerian when your real problem is your evil gov.

ehnukiny:
Any human being with a conscience knows that Israel is an apartheid state committing genocide against Palestinians. Even Israelis themselves know it deep down Zionists are the new Nazis. “The former victims have become the new oppressors.”

Any human being with half a brain knowns that Israel is only protecting itself from terrorists.
Any human who can reason knowns that there is no genocide taking place.
Life expectancy in Gaza is 76 years. If the average Gazan is living up to 76 years pls explain how that is a genocide.
Mind you, life expectancy in Nigeria is 53 years.
Please learn to do your research.

Rolings:
I agree with the bolded. I even have a personal opinion that Israel would have normalized relationship with all it's Arab neighbors if only Christian Europe and America will allow
And if All Arab nations will let it be.
...but they won't .....
the Israeli Palestinian Conflict is being used by both faiths to checkmate eachother

The major obstacle to peace remain IRAN and Iran is having issues with Israel because of USA

This idea of blaming Christians is very unfair. Europe is mostly non religious. Stop viewing the crisis through the len of religion.
Western Europe and the US are basically the richest countries on earth. The Muslim world on the other hand is struggling so I don't see any reason why Europe would want to disability

Ikaeniyan0:
No country in Africa have natural resources like China. China is one of the country with the largest deposit of natural resources. Countries that have natural resources than china can't be more than 6-7.

China have oil and produce more oil than Nigeria. China produce more than 4.5m bpd, while Nigeria produce less than 1.7m bpd.

Africa has 30% of the world's natural resources and 65% of the world's uncultivated arable land. China has a lot but no continent comes close to Africa when we talk about natural resources.
Also note, Nigeria may produce less oil than china but we have a far bigger oil reserve. This means that we have more oil in the ground than China.

misreal:
I do not disagree but send me links

1. The 1967 war.
[url]https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ho/time/ea/97187.htm#:~:text=By%20June%2011%2C%20Israel%20controlled,effort%20to%20end%20the%20fighting[/url]. The last 3 paragraphs contain what you need.
2. The 1948 war.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/israels-moment/us-and-un-arms-embargo-november-1947may-1948/B705968B86E9AA2DC42FED7B70AFB100

The first war in which the US supported Israel was in 1973 (Yom Kippur war). But then, the Arabs were also heavily armed by the Soviet union.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

Firstcitizen:
Chai smh

I am really enjoying talking with you because you are giving me the platform to address many confused kids like you.
Did you know that more people have died in the Syrian war but I can bet you have never written about the Syrian genocide on Nairaland.

How about Yemen. Kids die of starvation. Still I would be you are yet to comment on the Yemen genocide.

Then let's go to the Kurds. Yes, you don't know who they are but I will teach you.
They are also Muslim. They are one of the most persecuted people on earth yet no one talks about the kurd genocide on Nairaland.

The only reason people like you talk about Palestine genocide is because Israel is involved.

Don't you consider yourself a hypocrite?
No UN resolution against Syria, non against Turkey.
No UN court against Syria or Turkey.
I hope you are learning?

Firstcitizen:
he buries his head deeper into the grave of ignorance he dug for himself. I should travel abi

There is a difference between facts and ignorance. I will keep educating you because other people are learning even if you are unserious.
Let's go back to your genocide claims. Here are facts you don't know.
Gaza has a growth rate of 1.99%, the 39th-highest in the world. Israel is doing an abysmal job.
Gaza has a 27.5 births/1,000 population rate, This is a city facing so-called genocide.
You should write a book about how not to carry out a genocide: the Israel example.

Petrallen:
Where did you get the idea of Christianity persecuting the Jews for close to 2000 years? Even some Jewish scholars will just laugh at what you said - for this presumes that Christianity began a wholesale persecution of the Jews the moment it was born.
What many of you keep forgetting is that the first Christians were Jews (and Jewish Christians exist till date).
It was the non-Christian Jews that started the persecution of Christians. Christianity was being persecuted by both the Jews and the Roman empire.
Christianity was a banned religion in Rome for the first 3 centuries - so where did you get the notion that Christians have always been persecuting the Jews?
The first recorded instance of the Jews being persecuted in the name of Christianity (which is not even universal) was during the Middle Ages - which by the way also targeted even some Christians.

Stop making it look as though the Jews have always been that innocent kid that Christianity have always been persecuting. The Jews (the non-believing ones) started the persecution of Christianity and this persecution continues in some forms till date (which is only rampant among few radical Jews)

You are right the Christian persecution of the Jews is less than 2000 years. But now let's take an in-depth look at the European Christian persecution of the Jews or Antisemitism in Europe.

Persecutions against Jews were widespread during the Crusades, beginning in 1095, when a number of communities, especially in France and the Rhineland, were massacred.

On many occasions, Jews were accused of the ritual murder of Christian children in what were called blood libels. The first known blood libel was the story of William of Norwich, whose murder sparked accusations of ritual murder and torture by the local Jews.

The Black Death which devastated Europe in the 14th century also gave rise to widespread persecution. In the face of the terrifying spread of the plague, the Jews served as scapegoats and were accused of poisoning the wells. As a result, many Jewish communities in western and central Europe were destroyed in a wave of violence between 1348 and 1350. For example, some two thousand Jews were massacred by burning in Strasbourg, in February 1349, upon a decision by the city council, before the plague had reached the city. In the German states a total of approximately 300 Jewish communities were destroyed during this period, because of Jews being killed or driven out.

In the later Middle Ages, Jews were expelled from smaller and larger regions across western Europe as well as the German lands, including monarchy-wide expulsions from England, in 1290, and France, in 1306 and 1394. The greatest expulsions of Jews were in Spain (1492) and Portugal (1496), where Jews were ordered to convert to Christianity, or to leave the country within six or eleven months, respectively.

Their residence in cities was often limited to specific areas known as ghettos. Following the Fourth Lateran Council, in 1215, Jews were also ordered to wear distinctive clothing, in some instances a circular badge. Some Jews managed to evade the humiliating requirement of wearing a badge by bribing the local authorities

In western Europe, Jews were largely limited by local monarchs, especially as a consequence of the growing fear of competition with the local merchants due to the fact that the main occupation of Jews was commerce and banking. Notable examples are the limitation of the number of Jews allowed to settle in Breslau issued by Frederick II of Prussia in 1744 and the banishment of Jews from Bohemia by the archduchess of Austria Maria Theresa, who later also stated that Jews had to pay for remaining in the country

In order to restrict the Jews from spreading throughout the Russian Empire and to protect Russian merchants from competition, the Pale of Settlement was established in 1772 by the empress of Russia Catherine II, restricting Jews to the western parts of the empire with the exception of a number of Jews who received permission to live in major cities, such as Kiev and Moscow.

By the end of the 19th century a new type of antisemitism had begun to develop in Europe, racial antisemitism. It started as a part of a broader racist world view and belief of superiority of the "white race" over other "races", while existing prejudice was supported by pseudo-scientific theories such as Social Darwinism.

The main idea of racial antisemitism, as presented by racial theorists such as Joseph Arthur de Gobineau, is that the Jews are a distinct and inferior race compared to the European nations. The emphasis was on the non-European origin and culture of the Jews, meaning they were beyond redemption even if they converted to Christianity. This modern antisemitism emphasized hatred of the Jews as a race and not only due to their Jewish religion.

Another example of modern antisemitism in Europe was the conspiracy theory of Jewish world economic domination, as presented in the hoax The Protocols of the Elders of Zion which was first published in Russia in 1903 and became known outside Russia after the Russian Revolution of 1917. This theory was strengthened by the leading part Jews like the Rothschild family played in the European banking system.

The pogroms in 1881 and after the first Russian Revolution of 1905 cost thousands of Jewish lives and more than a million migrated to America. The second Russian revolution and the civil war that came afterwards sparked a new wave of pogroms against the Jews as nationalist militias and regular armies fought over the control of the country. The casualties from the pogroms were estimated in tens of thousands dead.

As you can see, I was trying to be brief, and thanks for the correction. I guess we both have learnt something today

Firstcitizen:
Very funny and dumb comments. I should travel

Yes, you should. Gaza has a better healthcare delivery system than Nigeria. This is supposed to be a people suffering genocide. Intellectually lazy kids like you have made the word genocide meaningless. You have had all day to tell me Israel's crimes and the best you can do is say they cut down some olive trees hence genocide. This is a serious topic but it seems you just came to make jokes. Genocide is a very serious allegation. Please man get serious with your life.

Firstcitizen:
You have just exposed your ignorance thinking everyone that comes on Nairaland lives in Nigeria

Praying for Genocide in Nigeria. You are very twisted. smh

Are you back?
If genocide means a life expectancy of 76 years which Nigerian wouldn't want that.
If genocide means a better life with a higher development index, which Nigerian wouldn't want it?
If genocide means less poverty even when 45% are unemployed, who wouldn't want that in Nigeria.
The Palestinians have giving us a new meaning to genocide. I love this kind of genocide.
Its easy to believe that you don't live in Nigeria and you are not even Nigerian because it would take only a hypocrite in Nigeria to claim that there is a genocide in Gaza and not Nigeria.
Wherever you live, visit Africa and you will change your mind about Gaza.
You would know that Israel is the worst Nation at carrying out genocides.
Travel and you will learn.
Because it's clear you are speaking out of the comfort of a wealthy nation.

Firstcitizen:
I was gonna respond even when I said I will not on on the childish deviation from evidence of genocide to unintelligent focus on the economy of Palestine, but after reading through no 4, I guess the ignorance is deeper that I thought. Just re-read the nonsense you just wrote. No point engaging you. No point

You have never responded to any of my points so yes this is a good time for you to run.
You should really be ashamed of yourself. You live in a country with lower development index than war turn Gaza yet you shamelessly find a voice for Gaza.
If you fight against your evil leaders with the same zeal you fight against Israel maybe your life would be better.
You claim than a people with a life expectancy of 76 years are facing a genocide. I honestly pray for such genocide in Nigeria.
Now go and sleep and think of these things.

Firstcitizen:
Let me start from 5. the fact that you take the same words as insults speaks volume as to how one should not take you seriously

On 4. I have just stated facts. In your little world, the pictures and video evidence of bombings in refugee camps and hospitals and the bloodied faces of innocent children are fabricated,. For this I will insult you for once. You are despicable.

on 3, healthy eating and non red meat consumption does not increase life expectancy. Ask your parents to seek refunds from the schools you attended if you did.

On 2. You seem very ignorant of the economy of Palestine. Let me paste you an extract from a report of one of the western media houses supporting Israel
"A complex web of checkpoints and roadblocks make it difficult for Palestinians to travel within the Palestinian Territories for jobs, to bank or to trade. Farmers whose land is now behind the barrier are required to apply for 'visitor permits' which Israel regularly rejects - in Akkaba it approved 49% of applications in 2011, and just 20% by 2012. More recently, a report from the World Bank found that Israeli restrictions in the West Bank alone cost the Palestinian economy $3.4bn (£2.1bn) a year, or 35% of its GDP."

Israel's reach in the Palestinian Territories means it can exert enormous power over Palestinian livelihoods. Oxfam estimates that 800,000 olive trees have been uprooted by Israeli authorities since 1967. As a result, the 80,000 Palestinian families that the UN claims are economically reliant on the olive harvest lose $12.3m each year To show the impact of this, Visualizing Palestine showed what an area with one thirty-third the amount of trees - Central Park - would look like if it were destroyed

Anyway you will deny this report as well so there is actually no point.

Finally on 1. Why do you speak from 2 sides of your mouth. You said earlier that Israel has never been found guilty by the ICJ.

My friend go and rest, I still maintain that you make zero sense.

1. I said Israel has never been found guilty of genocide. If this is your example of genocide then I don't know what to tell you.

2. Both Gaza and the West bank have better GDPs and development index than a good number of African countries. No one is denying that Israel has to restrict their movement but it is only wise and well deserved. Israel has a right to protect itself from terrorists. Also Israel is one of the biggest providers of aid to Gaza. Please do your research. Israel gives much more than the olive trees you mentioned. Again, you refuse to answer the basics question, how does Gaza have better dev index than a number of peaceful African nations?
Forget GDP and let's talk dev index.
For example, infant mortality is much lower than Nigeria.
Again, are you not being a tiny bit dishonest, you never mentioned Gaza's corrupt gov as one of the problems. It's all Israel's fault.
You also forgot to mention that Gaza gets water, electricity, medical care, jobs and lot more at little or no cost from Israel.


3. Nigeria and Burundi eat much less red meat than Gaza yet they don't live as long. There is also a drug epidemic in Gaza. So you are obviously confused.

4. Can you also explain how countqries in Africa have higher poverty rates than the people of Gaza suffering a genocide? Israel is very incompetent at this genocide game

Rolings:
It was evangelicals in Europe that first mooted the idea of a homeland for Jews believing it to be a biblical call even before Theodore Herzl began Zionism.
The purpose of Israel among Jews is different from those of Christians
Jews through Zionism wants to create a homeland for the Jews and Israel being a historical significance to Jews became the natural choice....the problem is the land is not uninhabited and the local population including some Jews never resisted the settlers it was the settlers who began displacing those the met on ground. And since they have Europe (who was too glad to finally get rid of jews) backing them with cash and weapons it was a matter of time before Zionists proclaimed the creation of Israel.

Christians on the other hand view creation of Israel as a necessary step towards the coming back of. Christ .

A personal belief here

Jews would have settled with Arabs long ago....but Christianity is not allowing that because it will be seen as a defeat of Christianity

A personal opinion

Hope you know that Christian Europe treated the Jews very badly. They killed and persecuted the Jews for close to 2000 years cumulating in Hitler's pogrom.
So the Christian Jewish narrative can't be right.
Finally, it was not the settlers who displaced the Palestinians but the other way round. Please can you name the Palestine villages that were displaced by the Jews before 1947?
If you do this, I would give you the list of Jewish communities displaced by the Arabs before that date.

Rolings:
You are now
That should do
Abi is there anything to gain by taking or not talking about them

Let's ask those talking about Palestine if there is any gain. I am only pointing to global hypocrisy.

Rolings:
The main reason is an oxymoron called Christian Zionism.
Evangelicals in America believe supporting Israel is a biblical mandate. The belief is that if Christ is coming back it will be to the land of the Jews ie Israel.
Israel has to exist for Christ to come back

Everyone disregards UN resolution because of US hypocrisy.

First only 46 percentage of Americans are members of a Church or synagogue so it doesn't add up. Also a much less percentage actually attain church.
Secondly, between 1948 to 1967, the US was Neutral. There was an arm embargo against Israel. In the 1948 battle, most of Israel's arms came from Czechoslovakia.
Note, at this time, there was a much larger christian percentage in the US.
The first time the US supported Israel in war was in 1973. And this happened because of the cold war. The Soviet union was on the side of Egypt.
Let's stop the lazy blame on Christianity.
If you disagree with anything I have written, let me know so I can send you links.

Rolings:
The league of nations did. It changed name in 1945 to UN

The league of nations was born in 1920. The land of Palestine was under British control since 1917.

Rolings:
Remove US veto power and Israel dare not disobey any UN resolution.
The power behind Israel is USA

It is not a point. Every country has its allies. Have you ever asked why the US supports Israel?
Lastly, many countries have disregarded UN resolutions. This include North Korea, Iran, Syria and Russia and nothing happened to them.
China also disregards the UN on the issue of the South china sea

Rolings:
You mix it up.
That's why it was called the British mandate for Palestine. The predecessor to UN, the league of nations gave it to the British and Syria and other parts to France .
Lord Balfour declaration is seen in some quarters as an anti semitic act because it was a solution to the Jewish problems of Europe....

First, there was nothing like the UN at the time of the British mandate. (1918-1948). The Britain conquered Palestine at the end of 1917
Don't worry let me send you some links.
[url]https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/british_mandate_for_palestine#:~:text=The%20British%20Mandate%20for%20Palestine,that%20emerged%20after%20the%20war[/url]

The British ask the UN to decide on Palestine.
The United Nations took up the question of Palestine in February 1947, on the request of Great Britain, the Mandatory Power which had governed Palestine since 1917, first as an occupying Power and then under a mandate from the League of Nations in 1922.
[url]https://www.un.org/unispal/history2/origins-and-evolution-of-the-palestine-problem/part-ii-1947-1977/#:~:text=The%20United%20Nations%20took%20up,League%20of%20Nations%20in%201922[/url].
I hope these explains it better.

Rolings:
Actually there are many Palestine all over the world. The world would act based on how much noise and lobbying those affected could make .
Rohigyars in myanmar
Kashmir
Kurds
Armenians
Palestinians
Uighurs
Western Sahara

UN can act on Palestine because it created Israel in Palestine.
It gave the British the mandate to rule Palestine and the British gave it to Israel. UNs oldes relief agency is in Palestine.... UNRWA

I agree with some of what you said but you got the facts wrong at the end. The UN did not give the land to the British, it was the British that handed over the land to the UN. The British took the land from the Ottoman Empire after WW1.
The UN then decided to create 2 nations out of the land but the Arabs went to war.
And yes, you are right, many people are being unfairly treated so we should not only make noise for those who lobby.

Firstcitizen:
1. July 9, 2004-International Court of Justice finds Israeli barrier in Palestinian territory is illegal. Although this might not be a binding ruling, it was a great victory for those with a sense of humanity in them.

2. Your bringing up GDP comparisons of a people who are 80% dependent on foreign aid with one of the highest unemployment rates in the world, under occupation and under sub-human conditions is out of context, childish and entirely unintelligent.

3. If life expectancy with the blockade is 75+yrs, it means it would be 100yrs+ without blockade. Life expectancy is hig due to the fact that Palestinians have mostly a veggie diet, no illicit drugs and alcohol due to the conditions they live under.

4. You are no different from the minority who attempt to negate, deny and distort the established facts of the Nazi genocide of European Jews. Same thing you are doing now. History books in the near future will tell the stories of this group which you happen to fall under.

5. You cannot make sense to me because you actually make zero sense.

1. Just said it was not a binding rule and mind you, Israel has never been found guilty of genocide but the courts. If you are Israel why would you abide by a nonbinding rule?

2. No you are the child here. If 80 percent of Palestinians depend on aid and their GDP is better than many other countries then you should hold their gov responsible. I guess you don't understand how GDP works. They have become reliant on aid and their gov has become increasingly irresponsible. What do you say about a gov that converts water pipes to bombs?

3. Now this is even laughable. There is no evidence that the life expectancy of vegetarians is anything close to 100 years. Meanwhile, Nigeria has one of the lowest meat consumption rates and still one of the lowest life expectancy. Same with Burundi. Again, if you are educated enough to research, you will discover that Gaza has a meat consumption that is almost 4 times that of Nigeria. Please learn to research and stop embarrassing yourself. If Israel is committing genocide, they are very, very, very bad at it.
Also, no matter how much veggies you eat, if someone was actively shooting at you, you would die before the age of 76. Veggies are not bulletproof. Please research, Gaza has very high rates of smoking and drug use. It's a very big market for tramadol. Learn to research

4 & 5. That's you taking it personally because I disagree with you. I have been the one pulling out facts and evidence but you only keep insulting. What do you think the life expectancy was for Holocaust Jews? Do you think it was 76 years? I am still waiting for your first evidence of genocide.

Merci beaucoup

All the Kurds want is independence yet they have no support from the Niaraland Pro-Hamas dudes

Obrigardo:
You never see anything. The number of white male pastors arrested each week for child sexual abuse is something to behold. Crazy figures.

Do good and post the figures. Lets know the number

The Life expectancy in Gaza is 75.7 years while that of Nigeria is 52.89 years. Do you still think Israel is committing genocide in Gaza? If yes, then Israel must be the worst country at committing genocide in the history of the world.

ehnukiny:
Whatever cruelty and brutality is happening in Palestine,
if your heart is not saddened by it, then mourn your situation.
When you look at bloodied children, dead children, how women,
old people suffer, how doctors die, and
fists clench, and tears well up in your eyes

I am saddened by cruelty everywhere. The cruelty of the evil Nigerian government saddens me more. The cruelty against the Kurds also saddens me.
As for Gaza, I am sad, but I don't blame Israel. I blame Hama and their supporters.
One more thing, Life expectancy in Gaza is about 76 years but in Nigeria it is 53 years. Which country makes you sad? Nigeria needs more of your mourning

Firstcitizen:
Who is arguing the role of politics in any decision made in the UN. Even decisions made under ChapterVII have a political undertone and are they not enforced. Yes or No? Which conflict in the world is not driven by politics. You see why I say you write a lot of nonsense. Note: I asked you about ICJ rulings not UN resolutions as you clearly seem not to know the difference.

You embarrass yourself with the GDP comparison What point are you trying to make?

By the way ,did you even bother to read the link you added. Maybe you did but cannot comprehend it.Chai

Now you agree with me that this is all politics but still, you believe I am writing nonsense. I love the way you think. You asked me about the UN resolution, not the ICJ so I wonder what your ICJ question is. Please learn to stick to facts.
The ICJ is a completely different case. Israel has not been found guilty by the ICJ.

Now I brought up GDP to teach you that the suffering of the Palestanians is more imagined than real. People like you have turned them into perpetual victims even when they were having it better than many. Before Oct 7th, life in Gaza was much better than in Burundi or Niger, Yet people like you keep giving false narratives.

If there was a genocide, how come life expectancy in Gaza is 75.7 years? many times more than the African average. Israel must be really bad at this genocide thing or don't you think so? The people of Gaza are living longer than most people on Earth yet they are an endangered Species.
Haba, this cant make sense to even you

happney65:
Do they know the Kurds? Nobody does. They have been persecuted more than anybody in the middle East

I got to know them when the west was fighting to uproot Isil in Iraq. A resolute group of people who have seen persecution and War through the years but don't Whyne like the Palestinians

Why are Muslims and Arabs not talking about them? Why is Nairaland silent?

ehnukiny:
Israel is a terrorist's nation

I understand how you feel but it's ok to learn new things.

Every UN resolution boils down to a vote. Its politics.
There are 1.8 billion Muslims and 49 majority-Muslim countries. On the other hand, there is just one majority Jewish state and only 16 million Jews in the world.

These Muslim nations' influence easily overpowered that of Israel.
In 2020, the Economy of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation which consists of 57 member states had a combined GDP(PPP) of US$ 24 trillion which is equal to about 18% of the world's GDP or US$ 30 trillion with 5 OIC observer states which is equal to about 22% of the world's GDP.
It is impossible to ignore this influence when considering how the UN votes. Even if you are not a Muslim country, you wouldn't want to be an enemy with a 30 trillion GDP.
I opened this thread to educate my friend Firstcitizen and others who have argued this with me in the recent past.

The Kurds are the most victimized people in the Middle East. Genocidal attacks have been committed against them by Syria, Iraq, and Turkey. The worst chemical attack in history was carried out against them, yet the UN and international community find it convenient to ignore their suffering.
Also, the pro-Hamas wing of Nairaland never discusses this. Is it because the Jews are not involved here?
The hypocrisy here is simply legendary. Just so you know, these are also Muslims but so long they are being persecuted by their fellow Muslims, it is ok.
I can bet that this is the first thread on Nairaland dedicated to their plight.