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Firstcitizen:Before reading this, I advise you to read my post below which directly addresses your legitimate concern. Even though you are being very emotional, it seem to be more honest than most of the Nairaland team Hamas hence, I have decided to further educate you. Let's do it point by point. 1. The international bodies use different rules for the Israel-Arab conflict from any other similar conflict. Let me explain. In other conflicts over the legitimacy of land and borders, the borderline is drawn at the point where the battle freezes. Here are some examples. A. China vs Taiwan. Both claim legitimacy to each other's land and government. Even though by 1980, most of the world stopped recognizing Taiwan as a country and technically, the war never ended, the world respects the war front boundaries as their international borderline. B. North and South Korea, are still technically at war yet the recognized borderlines rest at the point where the last battles ended. C. Chile vs Bolivia and Peru. Today, Bolivia no longer has an oceanfront because Chile took it all at war. Chile also took up part of Peru. There is zero international pressure for Chile to return any land despite the two countries doing all they can to get their lands back. D. Most of Europe's borders were drawn by war. Then we have Israel returning Gaza and parts of the West Bank. They are the only country to willingly do so. Yet the international community is pressuring them to do more. 2, I am sure you don't know that 800,000 to 900,000 Jews were kicked out of various Arab countries in the late 40s and early 50s. These were lands they occupied for over 200 years in some cases. Yet, you don't see anyone fighting for them and you don't see Jews terrorizing Iraq or Morroco to get their lands back. 3. Between 1948 and 1967, the Palestinians never fought Egypt for Gaza and non-Jordan for the West Bank. They also had the opportunity of forming an independent country in 1948 but they rejected it. These people do not know what they want. 4. Finally the Palestinians are the only people in this world who claim genocide is being committed against them yet their population is growing faster than most places in the world. It does not add up. If you are interested in fighting and lending your voice to the true victims of genocide, you would be talking about the Kurds. They are the most victimized people in the Middle East yet your pro-Hamas bunch never talks about them. And your friends at the UN don't take them seriously. Please educate your pro-Hamas friends with the facts. |
Firstcitizen:It's easy to claim that I spew nonsense yet you can't prove anything I have said to be wrong. At least this time you attempted to challenge one of my points so let me respond to the only point you made. Is it not amazing that with 45% unemployment, yet Gaza has lower poverty than nations like. Nigeria, Burundi and Niger. Here are the UNDP figures for Gaza. https://www.undp.org/press-releases/poverty-state-palestine-set-soar-more-third-if-war-continues-second-month Is it not crazy, these people don't work yet you are poorer than them .Also please go to the link below so you can understand that UN resolutions are all about voting and politics. With 57 countries as members of the international Islamic community (the OIC) and only one Jewish state, one would be a fool to expect a different result from these resolutions. https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/12/1144717 Stop believing lies. Meanwhile I am still waiting for you to explain how every UN resolution isn't political. Anyone who can prove that deserves a gold medal. |
Firstcitizen:You write so much but you are making no points. To sum up all you are saying, because more nations voted to find Israel guilty then Israel must be guilty of genocide. Please let me teach you the meaning of the 'political' When you depend entirely on a vote to find a country guilty, that's the meaning of politics. Then again you are trying to be sentimental talking about me not having humanity but the truth is that people like you are your UN are the only reason why this crisis never ends. You made the Palestinians eternal victims. Before October 7th, Gaza had a GDP per Capita better than many African nations but people like you keep giving them excuses go be terrorists and to be stupid. And stop blaming the US for all your problems. The US has done more for the Palestine people than all their Arab brothers put together. |
Firstcitizen:You spent so much time writing and insulting but forgot to explain you position. All you Hamas supporters are the same. The moment you meet someone who is ready to counter your claims you begin to call names. One more thing, the ruling against Israel carries zero weight. There has been little to no consequences. The resolutions are just child's play. And the world is not a better place because of the UN or it's resolutions. We both agree that the UN members voted to find Israel guilty of many things. But unlike you, I don't believe that justice should be entirely political. But you seem angry and unable to sell your argument. No one is contesting the fact that the UN found Israel guilty. Let me leave you here so it doesn't become an insult contest. |
delpee:and still, we don't have the critical infrastructure she was talking about. |
Firstcitizen:Let me explain. A UN resolution only means more nations voted one way or the other. Hence it's boils down to politics. Again the idea that UN resolutions is what's stopping invasions is false. The UN resolutions did not stop the Iraq vs Iran war, the gulf wars, Russia vs Ukraine, Second Congo War (the African world war) so why exactly are you excited about UN resolutions? Below is a link so you can better understand what a UN resolution is. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_resolution |
Badassniggga:Some of the world's biggest shipping companies have stopped using the red sea. Already international shipping is more expensive and it is affecting the final consumer. Linked below are the list of companies that have suspended Red sea shipping. https://www.rappler.com/business/list-shipping-companies-avoiding-red-sea-houthi-attacks/ One way or the other we the consumers are affected. Again just because you have no interest in the middle east doesn't mean that those who are interested one way or the other are hypocrites |
Badassniggga:It only depends on which side you are on. For US allies, Iran sending arms to the Houthis is not to their advantage. And for all the countries who depend on ships passing through the red sea the arming the Houthis is bad news. But if you are excited at the news of civilian ships being captured I will understand your excitement at the arming of the Houthis. If you are also against the funding of terrorists you may not be too happy with the arming of the Houthis are the are currently terrorizing international waters. |
ghettochild:When you leave your child in the care of someone else, don't expect them to treat your child like you do. Expect them to treat your child as they treat theirs. |
Cashsteady:Sometimes it's ok not to think like a white person. Breastfeeding your sisters son because she was not available can never be wrong. The only thing she did wrong was that she did not take permission. |
Mindlog:Genz at it. In the olden days, it was it way to go for any baby who lost his mother or who's mother was no available for breastfeeding. Breast milk is also much healthier. I understand a modern day mother not being too comfortable with that but it's a simple matter they should talk over as sisters |
Badassniggga:This had nothing to do with hypocrisy. It's all about protecting your allies and your interest. |
happney65:Unfortunately even those that did not vote for him would also suffer |
Coronavirus1:We both know what will happen to any money donated to the federal government. |
If Tinubu is able to pull this country from disaster, he would be the greatest president of all times but if not, he would be just another wasted opportunity. In 2023, we needed to vote for a very frugal leader. We needed someone that would reduce our spending. But clearly, we got another spending machine. I remember Kemi Adeosun telling us that the borrowing and spending was going to save the economy. It's clear that she never knew what she was talking about. |
Firstcitizen:You are just doing what you said you wouldn't do. Secondly, the UN resolution does not mean much. Just because Pakistan and any other nation voted against Israel does not mean they are right. So if you really want to look at facts, I would be interested but presenting UN resolution as your facts is just being political. Facts are facts and votes for or against don't change that. More nations voted against Israel is not prove of genocide, ethnic cleansing, and crimes against humanity. |
Firstcitizen:Stop playing to the emotions. We both know what would happen if there is free flow of movement between Israel and Gaza. And it's hypocritical to accuse Israel of creating an open air prison in Gaza since Gaza has a common border with Egypt. No one is accusing Egypt. Why don't you ask the Egyptians why they also have a blockage against Gaza. No one wants to be overran by terrorists. Finally, it's funny that you call the South African blacks your brothers because they don't think the same of you and they are prepared to kick other blacks out of their country. |
AntiChristian:Sir it's clear that I can't argue with you. But first here are a few points then I will let you be 1. The Palestinians are not the first settlers. History has it that the Jews dwelt in the land 1500 years before Islam was founded. 2. 3 major world religions Christianity, Islam, and Judaism speak about the people of Israel. No major religion mentions Palestine or even the land of Palestine. 3. It was not NATO that divided the land between the Jews and Arabs, it was the UN. 4. The US only begun selling weapons to Israel after the 1967 war. Prior to then, the US was actually had an arms embargo against Israel. 5. Small Israel defeated the entire Arab forces in 1948, and 1967 without the help of the US. 6. It's ok if you support the Arabs and hate the Igbos but no one would take you serious if you think one group deserves to die and the other does not. 7. Even before the October 7th attack, the Palestinians have committed more the 2000 terrorist attacks against the Jews. 8. No one cares about an Igbo president. Nigeria needs a good president not an Igbo president. 9. The poverty and hunger in Nigeria today did not happen because of an Igbo president. The price of fuel in not cheaper in Yoruba land or Hausa land. 10. Among the last 5 presidents, we have had, 2 are Yoruba, 2 are Hausa/Fulani yet Nigeria only gets worse so it doesn't matter where your leaders come from, an idiot will still be an idiot. 11. Now can you give just one reason why you think the igbos deserved to be killed but the Palestinians don't. Just one reason. Go ahead. |
AntiChristian:Your point is that the igbos deserved what they got because Ojukwu survived right but the Palestinians don't deserve what they get because their leader Ismail Haniyeh is in Qatar, a millionaire while there people die. I love the way you think. To your second point, the war between the Jews and the Arabs began in 1948 if that is what you are talking about. It started when the Arab forces refused the UN resolution and declared war on Israel. So you feel the Igbos killed themselves but the Palestinians were killed by Israel? Don't you see that it's not possible to fault Israel and still claim that Nigeria did not commit genocide against the Igbo without being a hypocrite? |
AntiChristian:So that was a good reason to kill 2 million civilians mostly babies right? Because half a dozen Igbo military men stated a coup, that is good enough reason to kill 2 million innocent kids? Don't you see that you have a strange way of thinking? Again, using your logic, the Palestinians are the cause of their demise on October 7th, they attacked Israel, killed raped and kidnapped innocent civilians. My question remains, why cry for Palestinians and not the igbos your own country people. Why do you think you are not a hypocrite. |
Gbadespet:Oh so the past is not important I see. So no need of justice because it does not bring back the dead. I see. Don't worry, after Israel kills half of the the people in Gaza, we would also tell them that it's in the past. Their dead can't be brought back. You guys should keep deceiving yourselves. It's always easy to talk about another man's house than to keep your house in other. And just in case you don't know, it's because of people like you who don't believe in repairing past injustice that we have IPOB. You and others like you are as guilty as all those who participated in the genocide of the 60s. You have no moral right to talk about Israel when you own fathers are genocidal. |
11doubledee:Don't mind them. None of them would take such nonsense if it were their own country |
Originalsly:When Israel began the operation, their prime minister clearly stated that this would take many months so yes, they knew it would take much more than 3 months. |
Originalsly:Oga you are making a fool of yourself. First the website you showed couldn't prove that the war had anything to do with the canal. Also, as I stated earlier, it would be cheaper to move the canal by 40 miles than fighting a very expensive war. Here are some stats for you. The approximate cost of the canal is $100 billion dollars while the war would gulp 50 billion this year alone. It's much cheaper to move the canal by 40 miles than spending 100 billion on the canal and an additional 50 billion on war. Plus the war will end up costing much more than that. What about the cost of life, the reduction in productivity. The cost in terms of tourism. It makes zero sense My advice, stop foolish conspiracy theories. |
Gbadespet:Now you are trying to avoid answering. Forget about what you quoted and let's discuss Nigeria for a while. They say charity begins at home. 2 million civilians died in the Nigerian civil war. Was that not genocide? Have you ever written about this? Do these people and their families deserve justice? Do they deserve your voice? What about their killers,what should be done? It's easy to see genocide in another man's land and forget the one taking place in your land. Many of you even deny the killings at lekki tollgate but you would come online everyday to fight for Palestine. Shame |
Gbadespet:Oga stop being a hypocrite. You have never condemned Nigeria for it's genocide on the Igbo people but you prefer to discuss another man's land. Charity begins at home. Forget Palestinians and fight for the igbos. 2 million civilians killed during the civil war and you don't speak about it. You should be ashamed of yourself and you have no moral standing to fight for the Palestinians. |
blancsn1:Oga, do you know how many members of the Muslim brotherhood currently in jail without trial? What are you talking about? Please do your research and let's have this discussion when you are prepared. Here is a link to help you https://www.newarab.com/news/egypt-had-least-60000-political-prisoners-nyt You praise Egypt and criticize Israel please tell me how that isn't hypocrisy |
Originalsly:This boy and conspiracy theory. So the October 7th attack never happened right? Gaza is only 40 miles long and you think your tunnel can't be moved by just 40 miles to prevent this very expensive conflict that would cost the Israeli GDP much more? Use you head and stop believing foolishness |
blancsn1:Oga please tell me how you will fight this war if you are Israel? Again comparing the stockpile of Hamas to that of Israel is unnecessary. The Taliban had much less yet they were able to withstand the US and NATO for 20 years and ended up taking back all their territories. So just because an army is less equipped does not mean it is not a war. |
blancsn1:I am sure you have not read any of them please read. If you don't see any wrong in these but somehow you see wrong in the actions of Israel then you are not being serious. Be honest with yourself, what happened in Nigeria in the 60s is many times worse than anything the Palestinians have faced. Just before this war, the GDP per Capita of Gaza was better than that of many African countries. These are the people you claim the Jews are killing. I laugh. |
[quote author=blancsn1 post=127949844]There is no war zone it is just your delsuion. If it is a war zone Palestinians won't be working Isreali farm n other Isreal firms. Isreal is not waging a war isreal is mass murdering Palestinians n it will pay for that crime sooner or later So when n where did the Isreali army found them guilt n of what ? So because Isreal law isn't sufficient Palestinians should be locked up for it. I bet you will be laughing 😜 at your own foolishness on this type of reasoning. [/quote Oga, when you have heard over 2000 terror attacks, it is a war zone. Just one terror attack took the US to war with Afghan. If you don't see this as war, the various terror groups have already openly declared war on Israel. So if Hamas says they are at war with Israel it's foolish of you to claim it's not a war. Let's just believe your friends at Hamas and the Arab league. |
blancsn1:It's ok if you call me an ipob member no p. Now you ask the questions of the uneducated but I will try to answer them. You ask where are the dead bodies as if i should be keeping dead bodies but then the dead bodies are in the same places you found the dead Palestinian bodies. You found the Palestine dead through the media and the internet so let's do the same for the dead igbos right? Here is the Wikipedia report of the Biafran war. This is Wikipedia not ipob news. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Civil_War Here is the New York time report of it not IPOB news https://www.nytimes.com/1987/08/01/opinion/l-lest-we-forget-the-starvation-of-biafra-462487.html The1966 Anti Igbo pogrom reported by Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_anti-Igbo_pogrom The anti Igbo pogrom by the language conflict encyclopedia https://www.languageconflict.org/event/1966-anti-igbo-pogrom/ You are clearly a hypocrite. It's so easy for you to see Palestine genocide but somehow you can't see it in your country. haba |
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