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To me it's all pretence when people talk about a two states solution as the remedy for the crisis in the middle east.
In reality, it would never work.
The Arabs would never agree to any settlement put forth by Israel.
Again, there is no guarantee of peace if there is a two states solution.
When Israel gave them Gaza, it did not improve anything. Giving them more land and more autonomy would only make them stronger.
Furthermore, the state of Israel owes the Palestinians nothing.
Just because the Palestinians want the land does not mean it should be given to them.

huptin:
You accuse someone of not being intelligent but you don't know the difference between taken and taking! Instructive!!

I am sure you felt very smart writing this. Funny people. You were finally able to point out an error in my post. Congrats

Procashtips:
I just educated you with a screenshot. I don't insult, I educate.
Refer to the previous screenshot.


https://www.pcrf.net/information-you-should-know/what-was-palestine-before-1948.html#:~:text=It%20is%20part%20of%20the,especially%20the%20city%20of%20Jerusalem.

Let me give you a tip further. I actually took a course on the Israeli-palestinian conflict. You can do too, it's free.

Go on Coursera or other online study sites like that for unbias education on an issue like this.

Have a nice day, need to concentrate in Church.

I love how you ended your post, asking me to have a good day. It's clear you don't want me to read the link you posted and respond to it but sorry, I love to read and respond.
First, you are clearly not intelligent. In fact you are very dull. The link you posted has nothing to do will the Arab percentage of Palestine. Please stop disgracing Coursera. I have taking a number of their courses.
I am giving you another chance to point me to your evidence. According to you, what percentage of Palestinians are Arabs. Go ahead answer.
You keep disgracing yourself. You took a course and yet you lack any evidence to prove your point. How did you pass your course

Procashtips:
Wikipedia?

You need read education

Lool
Now that I have given you my evidence you begin to trade insults. Typical Arab supporter. If you had any better evidence than Wikipedia, you would have shown it but you don't so you choose to discredit mine without any counter argument.
That's the problem with you guys.

gassbee:
Biden is not trying as regards d gaza war but Americans know Trump is not a better choice as regards presidency.

Biden is also calculating d Israeli votes for him

The current opinion polls say otherwise. If the election was held today, Biden would lose

Procashtips:
If I ask you to prove this now, you go struggle.

Can you show evidence of Palestinians being 90% Arab?

It's actually the other way round.

There was no state of Israel prior to 1948.
Please read more, you need it.

Actually there was a state of Israel over 2500 years ago. It's both historical and in the writings of 3 major religions.
Now you asked for evidence. I hope you can read. [url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_State_of_Palestine#:~:text=East%20Jerusalem%2C%20once%20administered%20by,other%20%3C1%25%20(cf.[/url]
Please stop asking questions when you can do a simple research by yourself.

wirinet:
No body support Hamas dropping bombs (crude bombs that can hardly do much damage) into Israel. But, why then do you support the apartheid going on inside Gaza, why do you support Israel government building settlements on Palestinian lands?

Stop the lies. You claim you don't support the Hamas attacks then why are you against Israel destroying Hamas. So you are against the Hamas attacks and at the same time against Israel fighting back? Are you confused? Please in your own words explain the apartheid in Gaza. Your own words please and not UN talking points.

wirinet:
So non combatants civilians - women, children and babies are now accepted collateral damage according to your judgement?

Stop acting like you were born today. Please mention any war that women and children were not affected? It's unfortunate but it's just the nation of war. The innocent are caught in the crossfire.

Procashtips:
Who are 'the arabs'?

Some Palestinians are ethnic Jew,Hebrew, Samaritan, Judean etc.


Expand your horizon.

Oga 90% of Palestinians are Arabs. Their official language is Arabic so what is your point?
Their was nothing like a Palestinians county or struggle before the 1970s. It has always been an Arab struggle. Don't let them confuse you.

wirinet:
Israel is not wiping out Hamas, Israel is wiping out Palestinian women and children including christians, and Palestinian buildings and lands.
With all the bombings of apartment buildings, hospitals and schools in Gaza, how many Hamas fighters had been killed since the war began?

Thousands of Hamas fighters have been killed. At least 8000 so far.

cococandy:
His point is that not all Nigerians including you need to die because boko haram exists?

Surely It can’t be that difficult for you to comprehend.

Nigerians did not vote for Boko Haram to be their government. And 70% of Nigerians do not support the terrorism of Boko Haram. There is a big difference here. Please stop compering Nigerians to Palestinians. We are nothing like them.

Cruise777:
Palestinian are not Muslim in fact your Jesus Christ was born Palestinian.. Palestinian have Christians, Muslim and jews

Isreal are not Christian, they are European Zionist relocated from Europe when Adolf Hitler almost ruined them

By Definition Terrorism is more common and established by Western civilization

Colonization is terrorism

Slave trade is terrorism

The word Palestine did not exist in the time of Jesus. Please learn to read history and you will be fine.

Procashtips:
It's the land they want. They want to occupy all of Palestine.

Funny the Arabs want the same but you have no problem with that.

Cruise777:
Since 1992 United Nations have issued 12 sanctions on Isreal illegal occupation and apartheid in Gaza, west bank and Palestine

The united nations are wrong. And surely, you know that the UN is a political organization.

AriyaTV:
To think some clowns are supporting Israel's killing of unarmed citizen.

Killing and bombing of journalist, children, hospitals, refugee camps, aged men and women, they broke all rules of engagement and some people are giving thumps up.

You cant make scramble without breaking eggs. You can't uproot Hamas without innocent civilians dying. Israel really has no choice. I blame all deaths on Hamas.

CandidAdmin:
If not for middle east media, will they know what's going on in gaza.

Meaning Africa needs its media

It's one thing to know but really what can you do about it.

Edusouls:
joe Biden i loved and supported so much not knowing the man is devil on suits, no human sympathy at all

You chose to love him for no good reason. Most people are politically lazy. You just follow politicians without understanding.

Ibrahimlagosian:
What's wrong with people on nairaland.How can you justify the killings of civilians by accusing them of being terrorists.??
Shame on all of you!.

You men Hamas is not a terrorist organization right?

Fineman2:
I don't believe women and children are all terrorists

Actually, Hamas uses both women and children in their terror attacks. Again, it's unfortunate that bombs can't always tell the difference between terrorist and non terrorist

Fineman2:
We have Boko Haram in Nigeria, but that doesn't mean all Nigerians are terrorists

You are right. The Nigerian people did not vote for Boko Haram and Boko Haram is not our official government. On the other hand, the people of Gaza voted for Hama, it's their official gov and 70% of Palestinians support the October 7th killings.

Fineman2:
the thing here is that Israel is actually wiping out Palestinians and not hamas

How would you fight this war differently. I blame all deaths on Hamas not Israel.
Let's face it, it's impossible to destroy Hamas without many innocent people dying so would you spare Hamas and allow them to continue to grow and remain a threat to peace?

Fineman2:
I hope this Gaza war will not cost Biden his reelection

He has lost the Jewish vote, he has lost the young voters but he still has time to lose more so let's see what happens.

[quote author=Gerrard59 post=127928703]When life was good in Nigeria, the price of oil was high, ditto production. The population was not as large as today. What we are suffering is the persistent reliance on oil as the major source of foreign exchange.

Life has never been good in Nigeria. Please which year are you talking about? But then again I disagree. We are suffering from the effect of corrupt leaders who have stolen over 500 billion dollars since independence.


The best way for our firms to be competitive is via a devalued currency. About the bold, how am I finding it hard to say so? I clearly agreed with you in my last post.
How come our firms are getting less competitive and many are packing up now that the value of the naira is falling. Clearly your statement above have been proven to be incorrect.



Because of over-reliance on imported materials. In 2016, during the recession, many companies had to resort to local suppliers to replace imported supplies. Unfortunately, this could not be sustained because of those factors you listed, which I agreed with you.
We don't suffer from an importation problem. No one would import if it's so easy to produce locally



Businesses are being affected by falling demand and rising costs of inputs. We literally import petroleum, so our foreign reserves have dwindled over the years coupled with low production even below OPEC quotas. But how you believe a stronger currency devoid of an increase in oil price and production rather than export of non-oil products will help Nigeria is what makes me confused.
You are putting words into my mouth. Please do good to quote where I said that I believe a stronger currency devoid of an increase in oil price and production rather than export of non-oil products will help Nigeria.
But still let's look at it carefully. For a country that depends on importation, a stronger currency would be of more good that a weaker currency

What and where exactly do you have a problem with the naira?
Your falling currency is creating millions of poor people overnight. Nigeria is minting out poverty. Prices have become so expensive and the cost of living is unbearable. This again is making businesses and companies uncompetitive. Many companies especially those into manufacturing ran at a loss in 2023. The consumer market is shrinking. So far, all the advantages you talk about are only on paper. Nigerians are suffering from the fall of the Naira.

Gerrard59:
But aren't those items I mentioned even when this thread was posted? I clearly stated that those measures should be put in place to further encourage manufacturing. But saying the currency is the obstacle is where I disagree with you.

Oga is life better now that our currency is falling? Are our companies getting more competitive now? The answer is No. We both know this so why are you finding it hard to say so.
Many manufacturing firms are reporting a loss but somehow, you don't see it as an obstacle.
This is no longer about your opinion or mine. Let's look and see how the falling currency is affecting business and the economy.
Are businesses rejoicing and celebrating the falling currency or are they counting their losses? You know the answer to this so why the argument?

Gerrard59:
I agree with the bold.



Does this mean we should continue importation? Should we not look towards aiding manufacturing in the country?



Obviously, manufacturing is not easy anywhere as it costs a lot and takes a long time to break even let alone make profits. Also, the involvement of PPE makes it more difficult. This is why people target service and trade industries since they can produce profits faster.



As I earlier mentioned, I listed solutions to enable manufacturing work. Another solution is to create industrial clusters in each senatorial district in every state. Let each state attract businesses that can produce based on the comparative advantage they have.

It would be unwise to encourage manufacturing without making it easier for the manufacturers. We shouldn't just ask people to go into manufacturing without removing the obstacles that previous manufacturers have faced.
We already have industrial clusters but that is not the solution.
Start from the basics
1. Electricity
2. Good roads and other transport infrastructure
3. Security
4. Make it very easy to clear goods at your ports.
Oga, do these and the argument is over. You would see industries from China, Europe, and America begging to set up shop in Nigeria.
At present, we are a disgrace.
We should be asking, why are businesses leaving Nigeria for Ghana.
It's a big shame. But take care of just these 4 things I mentioned and you will see many of your importers going into manufacturing.

Gerrard59:
Both men failed.

P.S. In 2015, Nigerians voted for one of them because he told them "I will phight kwarruption", and they believed.



He did not just ban foreign rice, but closed land borders. That was the major problem. Well, he was voted to phight kwarruption.
Let's not forget how he emboldened his brothers (Fulani herdsmen) to go on the rampage destroying people's crops and slaughtering farmers across the nation.



Part of the reason why local production did not take off as expected was because of Buhari's brothers, who went about destroying farmlands, waylaying people, kidnapping them and butchering them. Buhari wrecked havoc.



Foreign rice dominates because many people who invest in agriculture have their hands burnt because of Buhari's brothers. So, local production could not keep up. This thread exemplifies it: https://www.nairaland.com/7723312/nigerian-kidnap-gangs-drive-big-time

Buhari and his brothers did everything. People like Alore are extremely proud of their decisions and have no regrets. However, after installing the incompetent feudalist, they fled as cowards!



Please don't misquote me. I never advocated for the closure of borders or ban of imported goods, but the naira is good at where it is. You are the one advocating for a strong naira, but I am saying it is not possible due to low oil production vis-a-vis our population. Oil like you mentioned is our major export , but we produce too little to cater to everyone's needs in the country. The naira cannot be strong as you want. That time don pass.

I see you are making excuses for the failure of the very policy you are advocating for. But then, I only used rice production as an example.
In the 80s and early 90s, we did not have Fulani killings and we did not close the border yet these policies did not work. They never have.
About the oil, do you know that Nigeria is currently producing below our capacity? We produced more oil in the 90s than we are currently producing. Also we don't even produce close to half of our gas capacity. So the idea that the time of oil is gone isn't true.
We are in this position because of bad government and we need to acknowledge that, then we can move forward. And our falling currency is not a strength but a big weakness.

Jamie248:
Who else has noticed Obi only donated in the east

You people! First, that's a big lie.
Secondly, charity begins at home. When you learn to give in your village, it will be very easy for you to give in a bigger stage.

jesusjnr2020:
Not sure if real but I know for one that seduction is a major tool of the devil.

A lot of anointed men have fallen victims to this tool.

Ask Samson.

From what we saw, the girl had a mental problem nothing more. There was nothing seductive about her. She was unintelligent and was acting like a child.
I don't know if that is how the queen of the marine operates.
But if that was the marine queen, it's safe to say it's a very foolish and unseductive spirit. It acts more like a mad woman.

Gerrard59:
The solution is to reduce imports of raw materials which can be sourced from within the country. Target the export market. It is good to invest in manufacturing provided you are selling to foreigners.

Let's take cassava: invest in processing it into ethanol and export every drop of it. Labour is cheap in Nigeria. As I mentioned, the issues are logistics, security (for farmers & outgrowers) and high import levies on equipment.

So today, I decided to give a more detailed explanation why your suggestions don't just work.

They say insanity is when you continue doing that same thing that does not work.
You talk about reduction of importation as if it's something we have not tried out.

The military regime of Buhari ban the importation of so many products.
Then Babangida came in and introduced structural adjustment program. This also made it illegal to import certain goods.

Again, the civil rule of Buhari also ban the importation of rice.
Now let's talk about the effects of the rice ban since this is the most recent.

In a period of 8 years, the cost of a bag of rice went from 7k to almost 50k bringing untold hardship to the people.
Imagine what this did to the 105 million Nigerian living in poverty.

Again, this made smuggling to be very lucrative. We continued to see foreign rice during Buhari's gov because it was being smuggled in crazy quantities.

Then, the government spent 100s of billion in local production. Till today, the CBN's anchor borrowers program has not been able to recoup 10% of the loans it gave for rice production. Billions were stolen.

As of today, foreign rice still dominates our markets.
I remember the last governor of Ogun state had to create fake rice pyramids to justify billions spent on the investment.

It was a total disaster so why do you want us to repeat the same foolishness again?

LegendHero:
I am not blaming people for being broke, it is usually not in my character.

But my stomach turn when you guys only want to project bad side about Nigeria at every given opportunity. This thread is about how the Nigeria stock market perform greatly.

Then one of you came to start crying that companies are running out of Nigeria, leaving the main topic.

Then I told him that if he continues to depend on government everytime, he will remain stagnant as we’ve always have poor and rich people in Nigeria.

Then you suddenly came to center yourself and bring issue of USA. Then now gaslighting me about brokeshaming you.

Who tell you that everyone in USA is richer than their Nigeria counterpart? You sabi wetin I dey do for Naija before?

A few things here
1. Your stomach is turning for the wrong reasons. If the corrupt and evil government of Nigeria does not turn your stomach but the complaints of it's suffering people, then it's clear the kind of person you are.

2. Talking about depending on government for everything. Nigerian depend on government for very little. Nigerians provide their own water, electricity, pay for their education from the birth to graduation, pay for their security, in many communities, they build their roads.
So if there was ever a people who have earn the right to complain, it's the Nigerian people. We have been deserted by our government.

Originalsly:
Bending over backwards to attract foreign investment is not the same as the local business climate. Let's say a foreign investor .... Shop Rite ... wants to fo business in Nigeria. The FG says ok ... we will provide you with land to set up your business including for parking lot..... we will provide the basic infrastructure ... roads ... drainage .... electricity.... and for communication. We will give you a tax break and duty free concession on all imports for 7 years ... the following 5 years you'll pay 1% tax. When they set up business and find they have to pay bribes etc...etc.... that's a different matter... that's about the business climate.

What is the local content?... you must employ at least 100 Nigerians. This is bending backwards. What do other countries do? They have strong local content .... you must employ 100 locals with a minimum salary of X. You must have a training programme to equip workers with the relevant skills. After 1 year at least 5 % of management staff must be locals .... products that can be sourced locally must not be imported...etc. These are the types of conditions under which foreign investors must abide by in those countries but not ours.

I completely disagree with you. In the US, the only pay requirement is the minimum wage. Government dies not decide how much foreign businesses pay their staff. Also government does not mandate a transfer of technology. Also, the government of US gives tax brakes to businesses, it's not unique with Nigeria. TSMC is getting lots of tax break for investing in Arizona.
In the UK, many of the stores are owned by indians and the government does not mandate them to replace their staff with citizens.
Also, the UK bends over backwards to maintain their foreign student business.
Infact, its a much easier process to qualify become a foreign student in UK than in Nigeria. These people do everything to make come to their school.

Again, I disagree with your definition of bending over backwards but for the fun of it, it's agree you are right.
With our negative business climate, do you think we would be able to attract business without bending over backwards?
So it's either you have the right business environment or you enact favourable policies for businesses.
Again have you asked yourself why businesses prefer investing in Ghana despite our so called bending over backwards?

Gerrard59:
Because they sell to Nigerians. Japanese and Korean companies which sell to residents experience the same. Those who export generate billions in profits. The solution is to reduce imports of raw materials which can be sourced from within the country. Target the export market. It is good to invest in manufacturing provided you are selling to foreigners.

Let's take cassava: invest in processing it into ethanol and export every drop of it. Labour is cheap in Nigeria. As I mentioned, the issues are logistics, security (for farmers & outgrowers) and high import levies on equipment.

There are only few profitable export businesses in Nigeria. In fact if you remove oil, export becomes an almost intangible percentage of our GDP. Those who import are making many times more and the data proves it.
Have you been to any of our big industrial estates from Agbara in Ogun state to Aba in Abia state. If you have, you will see the number of manufacturing firms that have either fully or partially pack up.
Manufacturing is not as easy as you make it seem.
155 textile industries have collapsed in Nigeria.
Many manufacturing firms of the 90s are no more.
Please don't let anyone fool you that manufacturing in Nigeria is doing great.
You are more likely to lose money going into manufacturing than importation.
Talking about the solution, first we need to stop lying to ourselves. Manufacturing in Nigeria is terrible. It's a risk that usually does not pay off. After we tell ourselves the truth then we can explore solutions. And I completely disagree with your solution.p