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MaxInDHouse:
They've mixed it all up that's why they can't say for sure what is right or wrong what can lead one to Paradise or destruction.

They're totally confused.

And when JWs want to help them they will start arguing blindly!

Please use the scriptures and not your guesswork. Anyone can guess

MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmmmmm!

Both Paradise and heaven means the same place since it's all God's kingdom and there is no separation!

Ok

gassbee:
it seems d op just came back from europe, i sure say dat op no dey this naija

true

cornelboy:
What does it mean to be born again?
What's paradise?

To be born again means to be born of water and the spirit.
As for what is Paradise, let's look to Paul to learn more.
1 Corinthians 12
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.

3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth

4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

He called paradise the 3rd heaven so it's clearly not on earth but in heaven.
It's also the place where we have the tree of life. This is the best I can do and I hope it helps

guobe:
As I went to buy paracetamol at the chemist which cost two hundred naira,my attention was caught by the price of condom and I could not hesitate but snap it.

Condoms are now being sold at 2500, 5000 and 7000 naira a pack.

I was like alot of guys will go raw if they are not able to afford it.

Having sex in Nigeria is now very expensive especially for promisquos men.
The breakdown of expenses include condom 3,000,hotel 20,000,olosho fee 50,000,food and drinks 10,000 naira.Total 93,000 naira .
Promisquos men will learn and they will learn the hard way.

You talk like a child, you think this would reduce promiscuity?
There are actually very cheap condoms, very cheap prostitutes and very cheap hotels. Most Nigerians don't need 93k to have sex

[quote author=cornelboy post=127343345]So explain what paradise mean and was the thief born again?[/quote
I have told you a million times that I don't know if the robber was born again at that moment.
Now look to your Bible to know where paradise is located
Revelation 2:7

7 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God.

MaxInDHouse:
Calling someone a FOOL for not practicing the things taught by the group is not the same as calling someone who is a fellow believer FOOL because of personal grievances.

Learn to know the difference.

Paul was struggling with the tendency to anger just as he has always been in the past {1Timothy 1:13} before Jesus called him he was never an armed robber o!

So it was correct for Paul to call the people fools?
Is anger a fruit of the spirit?

MaxInDHouse:
Was the thief BORN AGAIN?

The bible did not state if he was or not. Was Paul born again?

MaxInDHouse:
He was addressing BORN AGAIN Christians and he clearly said nothing should make them fall into such mess which means their privilege of ruling with Christ is on the line!

Yes he was addressing born again Christians. And there would not have been a need to advise them if like you say, they are not capable of such.
Now to the part 2. He also mentioned wrongdoing or evil doing. By your definition, Paul calling people fools was wrong so according to you, Paul is no longer a born again.

cornelboy:
If the thief could be promised paradise without being born again, definitely paradise is not the same as God's kingdom Jesus was referring to at John 3:3.

This further shows that they are some special set of chosen people that will rule together with Jesus from heaven while the rest of us will live on earth forever in the future.

If there were a set of special people chosen and another set that would make then kingdom of God without being born again, as you say, the that would make Jesus statement false.

For your religion to be correct, Jesus Christ needs to be wrong. But for me, I am comfortable accepting all his truths.
I know that only the born again can see the kingdom and so the robber will never enter his kingdom without being born again.
What I do not know is if the robber was born again at that moment but clearly, he must fulfill that condition before entering the kingdom of God.

Jesus says a man can't enter the kingdom of God without being born again but you are saying that a man can actually enter the kingdom of God without being born again.
One of you is wrong. I am comfortable believing Jesus and not you.

cornelboy:
If the thief could be promised paradise without being born again, definitely paradise is not the same as God's kingdom Jesus was referring to at John 3:3.

This further shows that they are some special set of chosen people that will rule together with Jesus from heaven while the rest of us will live on earth forever in the future.

The big difference between you and me is that you believe that one of Jesus Christ statements have to be false for the other to be true. I know that both statements are true and without fault. Jesus knew what he was saying. He is perfect and he knows that both statements are possible.
So 2 things here.
1. Jesus Christ stated that except a man is born again he can't enter the kingdom of God
2. He promised the thief Paradise
Both are true and correct because Jesus can't lie
So even if the robber was not born again, he would definitely have been born again before entering paradise.
Lastly where is paradise?
Revelation 2:7

7 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God.
This tells you the location of paradise. Do you still think there are 2 kingdoms?

MaxInDHouse:
Peter never listed ANGER as something that a BORN AGAIN can't fall into rather he stated:

Murderer
Robbery
Evildoer
Busybody

Moreover Paul never got angry because of his personal needs but an armed robber is greedy that's why such a person can't be a BORN AGAIN Christian.

But if you're still doubting then i will continue to take it up with you that there's a difference between a Christian and BORN AGAIN Christian both of them aren't the same.
One is born of water and spirit while the other is only born of water so while one is totally under the control of God's Holy Spirit the other is looking at the examples of the BORN AGAIN because they're the ones who will rule over them in Paradise.

So back to our discussion:

Do you still think an armed robber could be a BORN AGAIN Christian?

English class for you.

But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.

This means, let none of you be a murderer or a thief or an evildoer...
If born again people can't commit these offense, why warn against them?
Also, is calling someone a fool not evil? Please check the definition of evil? So by your own definition Paul is not a born again.

MaxInDHouse:
Peter never listed ANGER as something that a BORN AGAIN can't fall into rather he stated:

Murderer
Robbery
Evildoer
Busybody

Moreover Paul never got angry because of his personal needs but an armed robber is greedy that's why such a person can't be a BORN AGAIN Christian.

But if you're still doubting then i will continue to take it up with you that there's a difference between a Christian and BORN AGAIN Christian both of them aren't the same.
One is born of water and spirit while the other is only born of water so while one is totally under the control of God's Holy Spirit the other is looking at the examples of the BORN AGAIN because they're the ones who will rule over them in Paradise.

So back to our discussion:

Do you still think an armed robber could be a BORN AGAIN Christian?

Peter never listed the things born again can never do.

You are at least a bit educated. If Peter was warning the Christians against certain things, it's because he knew they were capable of such.
I tried to teach you that it's stupid to advise a blind deaf man against pornography. You don't warn someone against something he can commit. Please stop making yourself seem uneducated

MaxInDHouse:
I never disputed forgiveness of sin but BORN AGAIN anointed with God's Holy Spirit that's the bone of contention.

So can an armed robber be a BORN AGAIN Christian born of the spirit of God yet going about to rob people?

This is what Paul said about the fruit of Holy Spirit:

"On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law." Galatians 5:23-23

So i'm really really shocked that the same holy spirit can produce an armed robber!

You don't think God forgives born again. You said Paul used the term foolish and it was a sin, was it the Holy spirit that inspired him to use such language?

MaxInDHouse:
Really Really shocked!

Because your god anointed an armed robber after he repented of his sins and got baptized in the name of Jesus then he returned to robbery and was caught only for Jesus to take the armed robber to heaven to rule with Christ.
Your god can do anything just anything even though it's against the word of God written in the Bible!

A verse in the bible stated that he will forgive even if your sins are red as scarlet. Just read your bible to learn these these. They are not hidden unless you decide not to learn

MaxInDHouse:
We're saying the same thing here.
It's just that you don't understand me because they're supposed to be together not separate so my question is why were they separate in the first place if they're all Jesus' sheep?

We are actually saying the opposite.
I can only tell you what has been revealed. The bible never stated why the sheep were seperate in the first place. I don't do guesswork I operate on the revealed word.
The revealed word states that he will bring his sheep and make them one. Hope you understand now. I am not in the game of guesswork.

MaxInDHouse:
YES, O!
So God anointed a person with holy spirit after he has repented of his sins and got baptized in Jesus' name then he returned to robbing people of their possessions and after he was caught Jesus now took him to heaven to rule with Christ shey?

I guess you are surprised by the mercies of God right?

MaxInDHouse:
He was caught while robbing with his cohorts and he confirmed it with his own mouth.

So back to the question:

After repentance he could go back to continue robbing again shey?

Everyone had freedom to choose. People choose to fall back to sin even after repentance is that the question you are asking?

MaxInDHouse:
So if you don't know the answer there's no need arguing because they supposed to be together yet they're separated in the first place!

Are you making sense. The bible says they with become one but you are asking me why they are seperate. I only stated what is revealed. The revealed word it that there will be just one fold no more 2

MaxInDHouse:
Then he goes back to rob again shey?

That's up to him and his God. Did you follow him when he went back to rob? You seem to know too much about this robber even more than what the bible wrote.

MaxInDHouse:
Why aren't they in the same place before?

That's a question for Jesus Christ but the most important thing is the final destination. Jesus goal is to bring them together and not to seperate them. The JW goal is to separate them

MaxInDHouse:
His people are Jews so why come only to the Jews until he was rejected?
Aren't others part of the plan?

Now you get it wrong.
The gospel of Jesus Christ is for everyone but it came to the Jews first. It was not because the Jews rejected it that he gave salvation to the whole world.
For Gid so loved the world (not the Jews) that he gave his Son.
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
The gentiles are not plan B but it started with the Jews and spread to the whole world.

MaxInDHouse:
Feeding is what makes a shepherd brings his sheep together but they don't stay in the same place. So when talking about bringing his sheep together Jesus meant they will all feed as one spiritually speaking but they aren't literally in the same place!

Please is there any verse that talks about Jesus Christ separating his sheep?

MaxInDHouse:
We're saying the same thing nah.

So after robbery he will still continue preaching and teaching about God's kingdom shey?

If he repents

MaxInDHouse:
Feeding is what makes a shepherd brings his sheep together but they don't stay in the same place. So when talking about bringing his sheep together Jesus meant they will all feed as one spiritually speaking but they aren't literally in the same place!

Here, Jesus is talking about bringing his sheep together but you seem to be about separating them. Who do we follow, you or Jesus Christ

MaxInDHouse:
In that verse who are his own people and who are not his own people?

Were those who aren't his own people part of the plan or they're just waste products?

You seem to forget that Jesus Christ is Jewish right? Son of David.
But then here is another verse to make you understand.
For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.
So even though his people by birth are the Jews, his blessings are for anyone that does the will of his Father.
The goal isn't to separate the sheep but to bring them together.

MaxInDHouse:
Literally a shepherd always carry his sheep together when it's time to feed them but when they're returning to their place each knows where to sleep!

So Jesus Christ is bringing his sheep from different places to one place that's what the verse says so I don't get your point.

MaxInDHouse:
Please explain what this verse mean:

He came to his own home, but his own people did not accept him. However, to all who did receive him, he gave authority to become God’s children, because they were exercising faith in his name. John 1:11-12

Was God planning to destroy all the earth and preserve only the Jews?

You just keep presenting me with the right verses.
Here it states clearly that everyone, not 144k that received him become Children of God. Everyone the receives him becomes co-heirs with Christ.
Please this verse does not talk about 2 Kingdoms of God. Provide a verse that reflects your views please

[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=127340628]So a thief can be a BORN AGAIN at the same time shey? [/quote
A born again can commit sin

MaxInDHouse:
Do you know the meaning of SHEEP literally?

Well a shepherd can have sheep kept in more than one location o!

But Jesus Christ is saying he will bring his together or can't your read?

MaxInDHouse:
So why two SHEEP in the first place if you understand him?

Does it even matter, what matters is they become one. You can't claim the sheep is one if the are treated differently and kept in different locations.
You can't treat people differently and claim they are one.

MaxInDHouse:
If you're trying to make this a joke then i will help you.

The thief was never BORN AGAIN!

And how do you know?