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achorladey:
loooooool!

tctrills there you have it. Just say Yes say Yes say Yes. You don't have to accept whether it is true or not. Just say YES. Loooooool!

Madness and insanities we see from far before it gets to its eventual destination.

The guy wants to sell nonsense to me but I am not buying

Stephen2324:
Age 25+..what advice would you give someone age 18-24?

Stop advising people

MaxInDHouse:
You already know me as an intelligent officer so stop deceiving yourself.

It's the busybody that reveals or leak matters into the hands of gossipers and gossipers are the ones taking it to places.
Do you understand now?

You said you are an intelligence officer and I don't have to believe you and even if you are, you have proved that you are not good at your job. No wonder Nigerian security officers keep arresting and harassing innocent people. It's because they employed people like you. Have you ever read the Constitution? You can download it for free online and it's not a very big book, even you can read it.

MaxInDHouse:
The thief is not BORN AGAIN!

I already said, let's move on for argument's sake. Now show how this proves 2 Kingdoms of God.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ ask any intelligent officer they will tell you that we don't go after gossipers but those who reveal secrets: Busybody!

Oga, jut read the constitution and state law, you can read and you don't need a police officer to tell your right from left.
Now let's continue your education. Have you heard of the term Whistleblowers?
How many Whistleblowers have gone to jail for leaking others' secrets in the US? Have you heard about the Whistleblowers Protection Act?
But according to JW, all Whistleblowers have jeopardized their salvation.
You need to read or travel to gain a real education and stop relying on the lies your semi-illiterate pastor tells you.

MaxInDHouse:
No need of all these stories just go to North Korea and reveal a single thing about Jim and come back to thank me!

Oga you are not a fool and you know the difference between a busybody and a gossip.
If you don't, use your dictionary and stop disgracing yourself.
The people that exposed Bill Clinton's sex scandal are not in jail but according to JW, they are criminals

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK keep what you know while i keep mine!

Yes you will keep your false knowledge of 2 Kingdoms of God.
The Jewish kingdom and the gentile Kingdom.
You will keep calling Jesus Christ a liar even when he says that you can't enter the kingdom of God without being born again.
Your knowledge is clearly not of God.

MaxInDHouse:
Busybody differs from Spy!

A spy is sent on a mission so he knows that if he's caught it's either death sentence or life imprisonment but a busybody just enjoys meddling in other people's matters in most cases they're innocent yet it's a crime against the person whose private life they're revealing.

So humble yourself and learn!

Again a busybody is not the same thing as a gossip.
A busybody gets involved in others affair and not necessarily exposes others privacy, that is the job of a gossip. Please make friends with your dictionary, you will learn a lot.
Oga you are not talking to one of your ignorant followers. I have defined the meaning of a busybody. Please can you mention one person that has been sent to prison for being a busybody? Just one please.

MaxInDHouse:
I hate it when people argue blindly so it's either you agree that an armed robber can't be a BORN AGAIN Christian or continue displaying your ignorance!

Wait you are trying to force me to agree with you lool.
When even the verse you quoted from Peter proves you are wrong.
And you claim I argue blindly because you can't sell your falsehoods to me?
You don't even know the meaning of a busybody.
See I understand this topic makes you uncomfortable so you are free not to answer any of my questions.
But trying to use the excuse that my arguments are blind will not fly.
Just agree that you are wrong or you don't have the answers and move on

MaxInDHouse:
Hebrews 9:27

And just as it is reserved for men to die once for all time, but after this to receive a judgment. NWT


Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment. NIV


And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment. KJV

After death, there is judgement but that does not show that there is no forgiveness after death.
These are 2 different things. Judgement is not the opposite of forgiveness and in many cases, they go together.

The same bible talks about the spirits of just men made perfect. Did they become perfect in this world or in the 🌎, after? How did they become perfect if their imperfections are not forgiven?

Finally, we are told that blasphemy against the Holy Ghost can't be forgiven in this world nor in the world to come, doesn't that mean that some sins could be forgiven in the world to come?

cornelboy:
Sorry I couldn't make you laugh 😂

Now to serious matters, let's both assume that the robber at the cross was not born again, please explain how this proves that there are 2 kingdoms of God. And where is paradise?

MaxInDHouse:
OK go to North Korea and reveal any secret life of Kim Jung Hu i'm sure you won't live to tell what PRIVACY means in North Korea!

Like I said before, for the sake of understanding each other, let's assume the robber was not born again now explain how this proves there are 2 Kingdoms of God.

MaxInDHouse:
OK go to North Korea and reveal any secret life of Kim Jung Hu i'm sure you won't live to tell what PRIVACY means in North Korea!

Since you want me to teach you everything here are the definitions of a spy and a busybody. It's up to you to decide which is a crime.
A spy
work for a government or other organization by secretly obtaining information about enemies or competitors.
he agreed to spy for the West
observe (someone) furtively.
the couple were spied on by reporters
collect information about something to use in deciding how to act.
he would go and spy out the land
noun
a person employed by a government or other organization to secretly obtain information on an enemy or competitor.
a person who keeps watch on others secretly.

A Busybody

a person who is too interested in things that do not involve them:
busybody, do-gooder, meddler, or marplot is someone who meddles in the affairs of others.


A busybody caricatured by Isaac Taylor in the 19th century to illustrate the character sketch by Theophrastus
An early study of the type was made by the ancient Greek philosopher Theophrastus in his typology, Characters, "In the proffered services of the busybody there is much of the affectation of kind-heartedness, and little efficient aid.

MaxInDHouse:
OK go to North Korea and reveal any secret life of Kim Jung Hu i'm sure you won't live to tell what PRIVACY means in North Korea!

I just taught the meaning of a busybody but you are still going off point. Please use your dictionary. A busybody and a spy are not the same thing.
You are too intelligent for me to be teaching you these things

MaxInDHouse:
Do you know the meaning of PRIVACY?

Is it a crime for someone to interfere in your private life without your consent?

My friend, it's a CRIME anywhere in the world!

Definition of a Busybody
A busybody is a nosy, meddling person, who's very interested in what other people say and do. If you're a busybody, you can't help offering advice to friends, whether they want it or not. Busybodies are known for trying to help with situations in which they're not necessarily welcome or needed.

Oga it's not a crime to be a busybody anywhere in the world. Or are the JWs creating new crimes?
Again, the press interferes with people's privacy every day, and it is not a crime. You are talking to well-traveled and very well-read people here. We are not some of your semi-illiterate followers.
No country not even North Korea has criminalized being a busybody.

MaxInDHouse:
Now it's clear you don't understand what i've been saying since!


You're quoting a religious book (Bible) which means nothing to people in other places or religions but those things Peter mentioned are CRIME in all places religious or not.

That's what i'm saying!

Let none of you suffer as a MURDERER or a THIEF or a WRONGDOER or a BUSYBODY in other people’s matters. 1Peter 4:15

Oga being a busy body is not a crime. Thats one of the sins Peter mentioned in the verse you quoted. He also talked about a wrongdoer which again is not necessary a crime. So where did you get the idea that Peter was talking about crimes and not sins?

Also, you said that only blasphemy against the Holy Spirit can jeopardize one's salvation but I gave you verses to teach you that just about any sin can jeopardize one's salvation.

cornelboy:
Lol 😂
You're just funny 🤣

Good, I am glad I could make you laugh.

cornelboy:
He was a bond again actually. He was baptized with the holy spirit while he was being nailed to the cross.
He even got to paradise (situated in hell) before Jesus cause the Jesus that i know went to heaven 43 days after death.

This too is the JW opinion, right?

achorladey:
The madness and insanities peddling peddler that knows

Let none of you suffer as a MURDERER or a THIEF or a WRONGDOER or a BUSYBODY in other people’s matters. 1Peter 4:15

Is not

No born again will ever suffer as a MURDERER or a THIEF or a WRONGDOER or a BUSYBODY in other people’s matters once they are born again. 1Peter 4:15

Anthony Morris come to mind, he was a governing body member aka faithful and discreet slave.

Ask any Jehovah’s witnesses up till today is Anthony Morris still a faithful and discreet slave? They will turn a blind eye. Since we know he is no longer a faithful and discreet slave. Who is he?



Only in the madness and insanities peddling brains of MaxInDHouse

tctrills see below and compare......




and.....

MaxInDHouse is clearly not sure of his stands. If I were him, I would relax, call my church members brainstorm and hopefully come up with a better line of argument.

cornelboy:
Okay

Mr Man, I just asked you the same question you asked me but it seems you are uncomfortable. I would have asked you to call MaxInDHouse but he is not finding it funny trying to answer the question either.

Anyway, you can ask your audience, Let's hope one of them has an answer for you bro.

IjebuWarrior:
Haha... lol. Go verify my stats, fool!
I don't need to convince pple like you cuz your brain is filled up with ignorance, and nothing more. I sent you three different pictures revealing ur moniker label on it all, yet you called it forgery. E shock you to see pple like me on here, abi?

It's OK, it's simply the Yoruba way. We're not loud, proud, arrogant, boastful etc... We're CIVILIZED!

Same set of pple that claimed they're Jewish, Buhari was cloned, Nigeria hates them, blah blah blah. A tribe that is very ungrateful towards everyone that hosts or accommodates them, a tribe has 98.5% Christians among them, yet the 8 biggest churches in Africa are Yoruba owned. In Everything, anything Yorubas are superior to you.

No be by making fun of poor pple like you do, no be by chest-beating, making noise et al... You're just a reflection of your pple. Simple.

Who takes such pple serious?

We don't verify the stats of an idiot. And when did owning a big church become an achievement? Just keep disgracing yourself with nonsense stats.
Now here are my own stats,
Oyo state has more out-of-school kids than Anambra, Imo, Enugu, and Abia added together. So keep having big churches but it's better to educate your kids.
Again, Oyo state has more poor people than Anambra and Imo added together. Again does it make sense to have some of the biggest and richest churches in the world yet this much poverty?
It's clear that men like you are very poor because you don't get your priorities right. You rather have a rich church than money in your pocket to feed your hungry kids.
You also have bigger churches than the UK, Germany, Japan, and the list goes on.
When the bible said, "By their fruits, ye shall know them", it was not talking about having the biggest churches.
Fool

MaxInDHouse:
You need to humble yourself if you want to learn.
SIN is about religion so what one religion take as sin may differ totally from another but when talking about those things Peter mentioned they are CRIME in all religions and societies.
So the only sin (religious blunder) that could jeopardize the salvation of anyone is speaking against what the Holy Spirit is working out through the hands of imperfect humans.

You clearly don't read your bible. Now let me teach you.

Even the sin of anger is enough to send you to hell
Matthew 5:22

But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘You good-for-nothing,’ shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.

also read
But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

It does have to be speaking against what the Holy Spirit . Every other unrepented sin will jeopardize your salvation. Do you guys know the bible at all.

I think we are spending so much time on this topic so let's assume that the thief was not born again, now make your point. How does this prove that there are 2 kingdoms of God?
Jesus told him, "Today you will be with me in Paradise."
Now lets see the point you are trying to make.

MaxInDHouse:
Continue deceiving yourself.

Peter said a BORN AGAIN Christian can suffer in the hands of the authority but they should make sure that they are never accused of those things.

Now this is what Peter means:

Never be a friend to anyone practicing those things so you may not be mistaken as one of them:

The one walking with the wise will become wise, But the one who has dealings with the stupid will fare badly. Proverbs 13:20

Do not be misled. Bad associations spoil useful habits. 1Corinthians 15:33

That's the principle!

so back to my original questions, which bible verse talks about sins born again cannot commit, and which verse talks about the sins they can commit?

Hebrew 12.23 Talks about the spirits of just men made perfect. How are they made perfect if their sins are not forgiven.
Forgiveness can come in this world and in the world to come.

MaxInDHouse:
NO!
BORN AGAIN Christians are chosen people who have always lived by conscience even before they accept Christianity that's why you will notice that the one and only thief among Jesus' closest confidants (Judas Iscariot) never made it to the day of anointing by Holy Spirit! John 12:4-6

So when Peter was addressing BORN AGAIN Christians he emphasized what could jeopardize their anointing as BORN AGAIN Christians therefore those two thieves are not BORN AGAIN Christians!

Let me summarize the JW point of view here.

Peter knew that the born again cannot commit the stated crimes yet he took his time to warn them to prevent them from commiting sins that he knew the can never commit.

If I am a JW, me too would be ashamed of this doctrine so I perfectly understand.
Would they have committed the sins if he had not warned them?
The more I debate with JW, the more they prove my point.

cornelboy:
Okay

Honestly I don't know because it was not mentioned in the bible but I am assuming that you know. Can you tell me please?

cornelboy:
Was the thief that was promised paradise born again?

Boss I don't know, was he?

MaxInDHouse:
NO!
BORN AGAIN Christians are chosen people who have always lived by conscience even before they accept Christianity that's why you will notice that the one and only thief among Jesus' closest confidants (Judas Iscariot) never made it to the day of anointing by Holy Spirit! John 12:4-6

So when Peter was addressing BORN AGAIN Christians he emphasized what could jeopardize their anointing as BORN AGAIN Christians therefore those two thieves are not BORN AGAIN Christians!

Yes sin would jeopardize anyone's anointing but the question remains, would peter warn them 8f he knew it was impossible for them to commit such sins?
You seem to know the truth but you just can't take it and I understand why

MaxInDHouse:
Those aren't SIN they're CRIME so if anyone should fall under this category he can't be a BORN AGAIN Christian but he can be helped to gain salvation that's what Peter meant there.

Verse 2 of 1Peter chapter 1 clearly stated that Peter was addressing BORN AGAIN Christians and chapter 4:15 expressly stated CRIMES a BORN AGAIN Christian must not be accused of.

Ọmọ nah Max be this o no be your usual churchgoer friends so before arguing blindly read again and tell the forum why Peter only listed few things when there are so many things people can commit as SIN!

Calm down. The point is, if it is impossible for a born again to commit these crimes, Peter would have had no reason to preach against them.
The only reason he preached against these crimes was because he knew that some of his people could commit these crimes.
So that proves my point. Even born again Christians can fall for such crimes hence the need for Peter to preach against it.

An example here,
Would you preach against pornography to a school of blind/deaf men?
Only a fool would do that because they are not capable of such even if they tried.
Peter preached against the listed crimes because the born agains were capable of commiting everyone of them.

The verse you quoted is a prove that born again Christians can steal.

Or do you want to take back that verse?

MaxInDHouse:
Was Peter addressing all the people in the world or wrote a letter to his fellow BORN AGAIN Christians?

Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the temporary residents scattered about in Ponʹtus, Ga·laʹti·a, Cap·pa·doʹci·a, Asia, and Bi·thynʹi·a, to those chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, with sanctification by the spirit, for the purpose of being obedient and sprinkled with the blood of Jesus Christ: May undeserved kindness and peace be increased to you. 1Peter 1:1-2

2 things here,

1. I did not ask you to look for a passage where peter warned against a few sins. Please pay attention. I asked you to look for any passage that lists the sins born agains can't commit

2. The fact 5hst Peter was writing these things to the church and warning them again these sin is enough evidence to show that members of 5he early church were not beyond these sins.
If they were, Peter would have no reason to warn them.

This is evidence that even born again Christians could fall for the listed sins above.
You just made my point.

Also can a born again commit fornication because Paul also warned the church against it?

MaxInDHouse:
A BORN AGAIN Christian can not commit a crime having to do with societal rules
So listen to what apostle Peter said about the crimes BORN AGAIN aren't supposed to be accused of:

Let none of you suffer as a MURDERER or a THIEF or a WRONGDOER or a BUSYBODY in other people’s matters. 1Peter 4:15

*Raising weapons to kill someone.
*Stealing, robbery or fraud.
*Making life difficult for ones neighbour.
*Going about spreading false accusations.

Those criminals were sentenced to death for such crimes because it's punishable in the laws of all society!

So you seem a bit confused here. The bible condemns all sin.
Peter never said those are sins born agains can not commit
Please were is it written by peter that these commandments are only for born agains?
Start talking abeg