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[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=127340335]Jesus was addressing Nicodemus a Jew who is a member of the Jewish High Court.
In that group they're anticipating joining Christ in his rulership in Jerusalem but by the time Nicodemus was talking to Jesus Jerusalem has already been condemned for their gross maltreatment of God's prophets {Matthew 23:37-38} so that the seat of God's kingdom has been changed to heaven and no human can go there unless he or she has a new rebirth.
The truth is the same no matter who you are speaking to. There isn't a truth for Jews and a truth for gentiles.
Jesus did not say unless a Jew is born again, he can't enter the kingdom of heaven.

Nicodemus knew that God never intended to select anyone from among the gentiles to rule with Christ but now that the Jews have rejected Christ the invitation has been blown open to gentiles! John 1:11-12

This is a lie and your personal opinion. If God never intended to select gentiles how come Cornelius? Did God have a change of mind?

So a man can't be a part of Christ's corulers unless he is born again but that doesn't mean servants of God who aren't born again won't enter everlasting life under Christ's reign!
This is not taught in any scripture. It's again guesswork.

MaxInDHouse:
Please quote where i typed the highlighted!

If you can't remember your words, don't give me the job of quoting but I will be happy if you take back your words. Are you saying that you never said 'The Kingdom of God 'has 2 different meanings?
If you never said so then let's immediately agree that their is just one kingdom of God and except a man is born again he can't enter it

MaxInDHouse:
Talking about two categories Jesus said he has OTHER SHEEP meaning there are two categories of Christians!

But he said he will make the one meaning there will be only one category

MaxInDHouse:
Please why quoting the same post twice?

Can you calmly read before responding?

We all have our style. You should get used to it

MaxInDHouse:
My point is that there's a difference between a Christian and a BORN AGAIN Christian, a BORN AGAIN Christian will be taken to rule with Christ in heaven while a Christian will inherit everlasting life on earth but in both places there will be Jews and gentiles!

What did Jesus Christ mean when he said repeatedly in the book of Revelation, 'To him that overcome'
What does it mean to overcome.

achorladey:
See cut and join Bible interpretation

From John 10:16 ran back to John 4:24. The content and context of John 4 is different from the content and context of John 10:16 .

I tire oh

MaxInDHouse:
My point is that there's a difference between a Christian and a BORN AGAIN Christian, a BORN AGAIN Christian will be taken to rule with Christ in heaven while a Christian will inherit everlasting life on earth but in both places there will be Jews and gentiles!

I understand that is your point but that is not the point Jesus nor any of his disciples taught.
They never grouped the followers of Christ into 2 categories.
Christians and then born again Christians
Your point is actually manmade guesswork that has nothing to do with scripture.
I have begged you to show just one verse where Jesus Christ divided his followers into 2 categories.

MaxInDHouse:
I will advise you to stop listening to the other guy and focus on what you and i are discussing if you want to get my point.

I never said Jewish Christians and gentiles will be in different places or practice different faith perhaps you should calm down and reread my posts carefully!

Oh you want to tell me who I can or who I cannot listen to on a free forum. Hmmm
So now you are admitting that Jews and Gentiles would be in the same place right?
So where did your 2 kingdoms story come from.

MaxInDHouse:
Your grievances is the blurring power here!

Both Jews and gentiles will be selected as part of corulers with Christ and of course billions will inherit everlasting life in Paradise on Earth but the Christ and his corulers will be in heaven while the subjects of God's kingdom will be on planet earth!

Your guesswork again.

But then why did you lie when you said that the words of Jesus Christ below only applies to Jews.
Except a man be born again, he can't enter the kingdom of God

MaxInDHouse:
The one fold simply means both the Born Again Christians taken to heaven and their subjects on earth will believe and practice the same faith not that they will geographically be in the same location! John 4:24

Please how does John 4.24 explain the different folds?
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Learn to read before quoting

MaxInDHouse:
Please quote where i typed the highlighted!

So if both Jews and Gentiles go to the kingdom of Heaven and both Jews and Gentiles are born again, what is your point?
This clearly means that Jesus Christ meant what he said that unless a man is born again, (both Jew and gentile) he can't enter the kingdom of God.

MaxInDHouse:
The one fold simply means both the Born Again Christians taken to heaven and their subjects on earth will believe and practice the same faith not that they will geographically be in the same location! John 4:24

Oga do you understand the meaning of one fold?
Jesus Christ already told you that he would bring his 2 fold together.
He clearly stated that he will join them together. Both folds were not practicing different faiths.
All the folds of Christ practiced the same faith.
Please was there ever a time that Jewish Christians and Gentle christians practiced different faiths?

MaxInDHouse:
Please quote where i typed the highlighted!

That's your entire point. 1. You never provided a passage of scripture that says only the Jews can go to heaven.
2. You agreed that Cornelius a gentile is born again.
3. No verse in the entire bible speaks about 2 Kingdoms of God
So where did this idea that no gentile goes to heaven comes from
4. Jesus Christ says you can't enter his kingdom if you are not born again.

MaxInDHouse:
Your grievances is the blurring power here!

Both Jews and gentiles will be selected as part of corulers with Christ and of course billions will inherit everlasting life in Paradise on Earth but the Christ and his corulers will be in heaven while the subjects of God's kingdom will be on planet earth!

Oga this is your guesswork not the word of God right?
Now listen to the word of God
John 10:16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

He will bring his sheep together and make them 1 fold not 2 fold.
Are you calling Jesus a liar?

MaxInDHouse:
According to God's plan it was only among the descendants of Jacob (Israel) that the Christ's corulers were to be selected they will serve as Kings and Priests over all other tribes of the earth {Exodus 19:5 compare to Revelations 7:5-8} so when Jesus was addressing Nicodemus the man knew what he is driving at.
It was because the nation of Israel lost that privilege. First of all ten tribes out of twelve turned away and never came back to pure worship these ones are called "Samaritans" {John 4:20-24} Jesus made it clear to the woman that only the Jews (three southern tribes) still have God's promise! John 4:22
So when Jesus told Nicodemus "except a man is born again" Nicodemus understood that it's within those to be selected among the Jews that's the import of what Jesus commanded his disciples when sending them out to preach:
These 12 Jesus sent out, giving them these instructions: “Do not go off into the road of the nations, and do not enter any Sa·marʹi·tan city; but instead, go continually to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" Matthew 10:5-6

Why segregation of Samaritans?
Are they not also descendants of Jacob?

Well it's because Jesus' mission was to gather his own corulers whom he referred to as his sheep {John 10:14} it's this first set that will go out and gather the subjects of God's kingdom throughout the earth {Matthew 28:19-20 compare to Act 1:8} these billions of subjects Jesus referred to as his "other sheep" John 10:16

That is why the book of Revelations said that John saw the lamb on mount Zion (God's supposed government house) with him 144,000 (his corulers) they will always be with him everywhere he goes! Revelations 14:1-5

It's after these set has been sealed that the great crowd of subjects emerged:

And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare to those who dwell on the earth, to every nation and tribe and tongue and people. He was saying in a loud voice: “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of judgment by him has arrived, so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and the springs of water.” Revelations 14:6-7

The highlighted in blue shows that the great crowd are not in the same location with the 144,000 though they're all worshiping God as one family {Revelations 7:9} so Jesus' promise that the other sheep will join the first set in pure worship will be fulfilled {John 10:16} but due to some reasons they can't be in the same location, the Jews have polluted Jerusalem by spilling out the blood of God's servants {Matthew 23:37-38} and finally they condemned the Christ in Jerusalem! Matthew 27:25

That's why Jesus promised his corulers that they will be taken to another location (heaven) and from there they will rule over the earth {John 14:1-3} but instead of the selection to come from only Israelites or Jews the invitation has been blown open to people from other nations of the earth so the 144,000 will be chosen from different nations not just Israel! Matthew 21:43

You are yet to show one verse that says the Jews and Gentiles go to different kingdoms of God. Your argument is that because the gospel was first preached to the Jews hence they would go to a different Kingdom.
But neither Christ nor his disciples taught that.
Finally please point to the verse in revelations that says only 144k men would be in heaven?

MaxInDHouse:
YES! Himself and some members of his house became the first set of gentiles to be counted among the 144,000 corulers with Christ!

Now you see you don't have a point.
So clearly there are not to Kingdoms of God as you claim.
Now you see that both Jews and Gentiles are the same. Both go to the very same Kingdom of God.
Romans 10:12

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

Now
Point to one scripture that says Jews and Gentiles who believe in Christ would have 2 different eternal outcomes?
Just one scripture please.

MaxInDHouse:
@ tctrills
Go through this thread:
https://www.nairaland.com/7932330/rhoda-jatau-languishes-prison-after#127338266

I believe it will help you a lot regarding what i told you about busybody who revealed what is to be concealed. The woman in question is a Northern yet she is been detained for revealing what was supposed to be hidden from the public.
Even a prominent politician who condemned the act on Twitter quickly deleted his Twitt on this matter, that's to show you how deadly it is to be a busybody in an unjust world!

Your point is that being a busybody is worse than adultery right?

MaxInDHouse:
NO!
Because i'm not a Jew anticipating to rule with Christ in his kingdom but if i have to be with him in his kingdom as one of his corulers then i must be BORN AGAIN because flesh and blood can't go to where his government will be established: heaven

Jesus Christ did not say except a Jew, he said except a man. He was not lying.

MaxInDHouse:
He was addressing a member of the Jewish high court in that group they believe that the Christ will select his corulers in their midst.

That's why Jesus used an illustration to show them that their reward if they're ready to be saved will be the same with all other people! READ Matthew 20:1-16
This illustration shows that both Jews and gentiles will gain the same thing: everlasting life.
But as for being corulers with Christ only God can choose and it must be among those that have received training from the King himself that's why none of those who lived before John the baptist can qualify because they never got the needed training to become corulers with Christ! Matthew 11:11-12

You clearly don't understand, the truth remains the truth no matter who you are addressing.
If only Jews can enter heaven Christ would have said so. He would have said except a Jew is born again he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.
But he did not lie, he knew what he said, when he said except a man, that covers all humans both Jews and non Jews. Unless you don't think non Jews are human.

MaxInDHouse:
NO!
Because i'm not a Jew anticipating to rule with Christ in his kingdom but if i have to be with him in his kingdom as one of his corulers then i must be BORN AGAIN because flesh and blood can't go to where his government will be established: heaven

Was Cornelius born again

MaxInDHouse:
NO!
Because i'm not a Jew anticipating to rule with Christ in his kingdom but if i have to be with him in his kingdom as one of his corulers then i must be BORN AGAIN because flesh and blood can't go to where his government will be established: heaven

Please where is it written that only the Jews would rule with Christ?
And only the Jews will be in heaven.
Don't you know that all are one in the Kingdom of God?
Galatians 3:28
This is literally translated "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
You see you are wrong?

MaxInDHouse:
That's why i said the term: Kingdom of God
As used by Jesus has two different meanings it doesn't apply the same way in the case of a member of the Jewish high court and a gentile.

When Jesus used that term for Nicodemus he was talking about ruling with Christ in heaven {John 3:3-5} and the same applies to the rich ruler whom Jesus asked to go and sell everything he had! Luke 18:18-23

Note that he didn't say the same to common Jews who only want to enjoy the benefit of Christ's reign but to Jewish rulers who wants more than just being subjects of God's kingdom!

Where is it written that the Kingdom of God has 2 meanings.
Hence there are 2 kingdoms

MaxInDHouse:
NO salvation is for all repentant sinners not only BORN AGAIN!

So Christ lied when he said except a man be born again?
If being born again was not a condition for entering the kingdom, why would Christ have said so?

MaxInDHouse:
That's why i said the term: Kingdom of God
As used by Jesus has two different meanings it doesn't apply the same way in the case of a member of the Jewish high court and a gentile.

When Jesus used that term for Nicodemus he was talking about ruling with Christ in heaven {John 3:3-5} and the same applies to the rich ruler whom Jesus asked to go and sell everything he had! Luke 18:18-23

Note that he didn't say the same to common Jews who only want to enjoy the benefit of Christ's reign but to Jewish rulers who wants more than just being subjects of God's kingdom!

Direct question, do you need to be born again to enter the kingdom of God?

MaxInDHouse:
YES! He wasn't Born of water neither was he anointed with Holy Spirit!

But he would be in the Kingdom of God
So it's wrong to say that except a man is born again he cannot enter the kingdom of God right? Since according to you John proves the saying wrong.

MaxInDHouse:
John wasn't a BORN AGAIN Christian so he will gain everlasting life like the thief but he can't rule with Christ in heaven! Matthew 11:11-12

So John would not be in heaven?

MaxInDHouse:
You need to know the difference between Salvation and being BORN AGAIN.

All servants of God whether BORN AGAIN or not will be saved and gain everlasting life but only BORN AGAIN Christians will rule with Christ in his kingdom.

You used the term jeopardize one's salvation not me.
And yes there is a difference. You become born again to obtain salvation.

MaxInDHouse:
Please quote where i said the highlighted.

Before I do, are you saying that you never said that the sins/crimes Peter mentioned jeopardize one's salvation? Are you taking that back?

MaxInDHouse:
John wasn't a BORN AGAIN Christian so he will gain everlasting life like the thief but he can't rule with Christ in heaven! Matthew 11:11-12

So being a Busybody does not jeopardize one's salvation so you lied. That also proves that the robbery does not jeopardize one's salvation.
So what is the basic of your point.

MaxInDHouse:
Of course John is one of the greatest humans who ever lived before his time but when talking about BORN AGAIN SERVANTS OF GOD John is not qualified! Matthew 12:11-12

That's what i've been saying all this while that there's a difference between BORN AGAIN and a believer in God, both of them will be saved but a BORN AGAIN will rule with Christ Jesus in heaven while all other believers will live forever in Paradise on Earth!

So did he jeopardize his salvation for being a Busybody? You said being a Busybody would jeopardize one's salvation but now you are saying it does not apply to John?

MaxInDHouse:
I have told you that SIN differs from CRIME.

SIN has to do with religion while CRIME has to do with society so what Deeperlife term as Sin may not be sin in Christ Embassy but when talking about CRIME both of them can't dispute it. What Peter listed was CRIME in all human society.
That's why i gave you the example of John the baptist who was talking about SIN when the man in power doesn't give a damn about the laws of John's God but then John the is going into the private life of someone who is not a believer.
So if Herod is a Worshiper of the God who gave the Israelites laws he will take John's matter seriously and beg God for forgiveness but instead he was concerned about his political career that's what led to John's death.

Lesson learned:

It's wrong for believers to meddle in the private life of others most especially when such ones aren't believers.

As i am now if Aemmyjah or Janosky or Cornelboy discovered that i committ adultery they must make it known to the elders unless i myself am ready to do so myself but what if it's their landlord or co-tenant that's doing so and they're aware of it they will surely become busybody if they tell anyone because it's none of their business and the person who did isn't one of our brothers in faith.

You are not addressing any of my questions. Did John the Baptist jeopardize his salvation by being a Busybody? Let's start from this simple one

achorladey:
tctrills now see more madness and insanities peddling from MaxInDHouse He stated earlier.....



Then later added......



When gossipers go from place to place, what do they do? They gossip and in so doing they reveal secrets

MaxinDHouse has declared that John the Baptist was a busybody now he needs to tell us if John has jeopardized his salvation.