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Christianity Etc › Re: Religion And Politics! by tctrills: 10:09am On Mar 17, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:
Uncle twister, your love for twisting will always leave you confused and of course you can't get anything when you are a twister. Twisters dont get, they destroy, things, even themselves.
Mention just 1 thing I have ever twisted sir. Stop the false witness.
Christianity Etc › Re: Countries That Make Up The Organisation Of Islamic Cooperation by tctrills: 10:07am On Mar 17, 2023
AntiChristian:
Not only this!

There are many more!
Lol ok wish you the best in your battle
Christianity Etc › Re: Religion And Politics! by tctrills: 9:55am On Mar 17, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:
Now you are twisting back to the Nigeria would not be better issue. See how scattered you are?

Anyway, as I said, time will prove me right or wrong and I will make it a point of duty to let you know every year (if I remember) if it doesn't get better.
Oga you argument is making no sense. But obviously you don't get it
Christianity Etc › Re: Countries That Make Up The Organisation Of Islamic Cooperation by tctrills: 9:53am On Mar 17, 2023
AntiChristian:
13As a fair exchange, I ask you as my children: Open wide your hearts also. 14Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership can righteousness have with wickedness? Or what fellowship does light have with darkness? 15What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?
2 Cor 6
Lool. So this is your reason for your battle with Christianity. No problem carry on
At least I enjoy arguing with you from time to time
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Was Chosen Even Before Adam's Sin. God Does Not Make Mistakes by tctrills(op): 9:40am On Mar 17, 2023
Techobeys:
This is why I try not to give reasonable comment on Nairaland. Did you means I wrote all that only for it to go to waste?

You mentioned that the Bible says that we have been chosen before the began and I did a short teaching explaining to you that “the world” in that context didn’t mean the universe but the activities in the universe. But here you are removing your statement and making it look like I spoke out of context.

Answers to your question:

1. God planted the tree
2. I wouldn’t tell you the purpose of the tree bc you will not accept, seeing that you’ve refused to accept that “the world” is not the universe which is something that you can easily check to see if I was right.
3. Everything God created is good if used within its purpose. Man sinned only bc he consumed what God planted for his own satisfaction.

Lastly saying that God wanted a better man to come do the jobs sound rather cheeky. It appears as though God set Adam to fail and then turn around to be complaining that Adam failed. Think about it, don’t you think it’s rather awkward?
Well I respect your opinions but I rather believe the word of God.
Christianity Etc › Re: Countries That Make Up The Organisation Of Islamic Cooperation by tctrills: 9:38am On Mar 17, 2023
AntiChristian:
My name is anti-Christian!

I am absolutely against the Christian views just as you are against Islam!
I don't believe in Islam and all other religions out there but I am not against any of you neither am I on a campaign of hate against any religion. I am sure you have your reason for making another man's religion your battle but we are clearly not the same in any notable way.
Christianity Etc › Re: Countries That Make Up The Organisation Of Islamic Cooperation by tctrills: 9:32am On Mar 17, 2023
AntiChristian:
The picture of that Alhaji and his wife above is just a propaganda by foolish liars who do not confirm news before posting!
Anyways, our laws are our laws!

If you don't want your hand to be cut, then don't steal!
It's always funny when I see you online. A Muslim who's greatest mission is to hate and attack Christians only.
It's an interesting job you have yourself
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Was Chosen Even Before Adam's Sin. God Does Not Make Mistakes by tctrills(op): 9:23am On Mar 17, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:
See, as I have always told you, your soul is so twisted that you do not see nor interpret normally.



Yet, it is not wiped away.
Let's just say that I rather believe the words of John than a funny guy on Nairaland
Christianity Etc › Re: Religion And Politics! by tctrills: 9:21am On Mar 17, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:
I won't! You don't like Truths.
Lol.
Christianity Etc › Re: Religion And Politics! by tctrills: 9:20am On Mar 17, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:
See twister has twisted back to Bible verse because he couldn't answer on the fact that Nigeria would not be better.
You always talk like a kid. How do you know Nigeria would not be better? Qatar was a poor country for over 100 years now it's super rich. That a country is poor for 70 years does not mean it would not become super wealthy. Grow up na.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Was Chosen Even Before Adam's Sin. God Does Not Make Mistakes by tctrills(op): 9:16am On Mar 17, 2023
Techobeys:
Hi dear, I must say this is one of the most respectful replies I have ever received on Nairaland so I really praise God for your behavior

Nothing is controversial of my statement, I think you might view that bc of your beliefs. If one knows will do a thing bc of the way that person behaves, that doesn’t mean one expects that person to do that way. This is why we get hurt by people even though we might have been seeing signals of that behavior.

If your girlfriend or wise, starts giving signals of wanting out, of course if you critically analyze their behavior, you’ll know what they’ll do. But that doesn’t mean your expect or want them to throw away the relationship you have. So there’s nothing controversial about that.

Also, I think it’s well plastered that God did all he could to prevent man from sinning. You saying “we don’t know” is just you trying to deny that. It’s how scientists who always claim to know everything say “we don’t know” when they don’t want to admit certain facts.

Lastly, according as he has chosen us before the world began. That’s something I was going to write about or talk on on my YouTube channel. So kindly subscribe to my channel to stay up to date.

The phrase “the world” has two meanings. In the Greek, it’s kosmos and kosmon. Kosmos means the universe, or the heaven and the earth as religiously put. But kosmon means the activity on earth (eons).

The world in that context is not cosmos its cosmon so it’s not saying that we have been choseb before the heaven and earth were created, it was saying we have been chosen before activity began on earth.

This is a very long topic I’ll like to take time to dissect bc it reveals a lot but I’ll cut it short bc of the length of my reply. I can’t let my reply be long than the article. Iyen o da na.

So kindly check it and confirm. Also read Psalm 24:1-2. Do you think the psalmist was saying that the universe was founded on sea? Are sea not a part of the universe? The world is in the heaven and earth, and the world which the psalmist was talking about is not the universe itself, it’s the activity on earth. It was established on the water in the beginning bc God said let the water bring forth ground, that began activity you see on earth today.

Here’s a link to my YouTube page. Kindly subscribe to it bc I’ll be teaching these things and more for proper understanding of the scripture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8-E6o7N6Xs
Now if you know something would happen then clearly you expect it to happen. It's not possible to know something and expect another. It's possible to know something and want another outcome but not possible to know and expect another outcome.

Again, I was hoping you would show me scriptural evidence that God did everything to prevent Adam from eating the fruit. Now let's use the scriptures.
Could you highlight some of the things God did to prevent Adam from eating the fruit? I would love to hear your views.
1. Who planted the tree?
2. What was the purpose of the tree?
3. If you know something is bad for your child, would you plant such a thing in your farm?
God clearly wanted the best for man and the Coming of Christ is the best.

Lastly, I don't understand the connection you are trying to make with Psalm 24:1-2.
Christianity Etc › Re: Religion And Politics! by tctrills: 8:36am On Mar 17, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:
I won't! You don't like Truths.
Just because you can't accept the scriptures does not mean I don't like the truth
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Was Chosen Even Before Adam's Sin. God Does Not Make Mistakes by tctrills(op): 8:20am On Mar 17, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:
See your rubbish counter attack forgetting that I am not harmed in any way. Whereas you have committed grievous atrocities and therefore you are desperately looking for how you can wipe your sins away. But you used your own hands and mouth to burnt your chance and opportunity, thus someone would say it is finished for you and you are finished.
I have not tried to Attack or harm you in anyway. You really think everything is about you right. About wiping away my sins, do you forget the words "Behold the lamb of God that has come to take away the sins of the world." I am not in a desperate situation.
You really need to read your bible more.
Christianity Etc › Re: Religion And Politics! by tctrills: 8:09am On Mar 17, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:
As I said, you are just giving yourself hope, time would prove if I am right or wrong.
Please explain the verses below.

According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Christianity Etc › Re: Religion And Politics! by tctrills: 8:04am On Mar 17, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:
As I said, you are just giving yourself hope, time would prove if I am right or wrong.
You are funny. Anyone can claim that a verse that dies not support his view is an idiom. Again, I don't need to give myself hope Jesus Christ the Son of God has given us all the hope we need. He is the Lamb slain before the foundations of the world. He was for ordained to pay for my sins.

Ephesians 1:4
4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Was Chosen Even Before Adam's Sin. God Does Not Make Mistakes by tctrills(op): 8:00am On Mar 17, 2023
Techobeys:
The first comment I read on your post said “you could have just kept quiet” I think I understand why the person might have said that bc your starting summation about God’s expectation of Adam’s sin is not according to I’m understanding.

I’m glad you didn’t keep quiet though. We all must learn to confess the word, and in doing so, we’ll do better. If children were told to keep quiet every time they spoke, you and I would never be able to speak today.

That said, I think it’s wrong for you to say God expected Adam to see. No, that’s false. The fact that God already knew he’ll sin doesn’t mean God expected it. You need to understand this. Imagine you need to imagine it properly.

God did all he could to avoid Adam’s sin, but Adam still sinned, so the problem was Adam. God did not predetermined that Adam should sin. What Christ is was available for Adam to be, but Adam refused to obey the commandments of God, so God sent his word to come do what man couldn’t do and achieve man’s destiny.

So what happened in the beginning was treachery, it’s not God’s plan or what God desired. It was treachery of the highest order and it’s the problem of life. Plotting to be as your creator is betrayer, if you don’t know this, learn from politics.
A few things here:
It's actually controversial to say God knew Adam would sin but did not expect him to sin as stated in your 3rd paragraph.

Next you say God did all he could to prevent Adam from eating the fruit. For this, I would say we don't know. It is not indicated that God did anything to prevent Adam from eating the fruit so you can throw more light.

Lastly, the bible states that Christ was a Lamb slain before the foundations of the earth. Can you please tell me how you understand the statement?

Please could you also add you understanding of the verse below.
Ephesians 1:4-5

According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Was Chosen Even Before Adam's Sin. God Does Not Make Mistakes by tctrills(op): 7:42am On Mar 17, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:
Are you not the one who hides in self deceits and twists things into the way you want to see them rather than what they are?

The bubble of denial always bursts at the worst time.

Wishfully thinking that God planned to save man before the world would not change the fact that men have done lots of unforgivable things and they shall still stand condemned and guilty.
Funny you. Just because you don't like the plainly stated truth in the scriptures you change it to an idiom.
Oga no wishful thinking here. Just read and believe in your scriptures
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Was Chosen Even Before Adam's Sin. God Does Not Make Mistakes by tctrills(op): 7:02am On Mar 17, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:
It is an idiom meaning the sacrifice was so powerful that it went past the beginning of the world exactly how we say "the boy na thief even before dem born am"
Does what you say make any sense? A sacrifice so powerful that it went past the beginning?
We can't just give strange meanings to suit our opinion.
Christ was chosen before the foundations of the world, that's what your bible teaches but you are free not to believe this simple truth.
Christianity Etc › Re: Religion And Politics! by tctrills: 6:56am On Mar 17, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:
The Truth! And to think you noticed that since 1960 it has never been well for Nigerians. Anyway I know you are trying to give yourself hope so that you don't kill yourself.
Actually I am not thinking of killing myself. You have a sick way of thinking. Since 1960 it has been problematic for 9ja but that's less than 70 years. Please read history. 70 years is nothing. Nations turn around.
Christianity Etc › Re: Religion And Politics! by tctrills: 6:53am On Mar 17, 2023
AntiChristian:
My candidate won? No be God's candidate àbí na Obi be God's candidate for your side?

Have we ourselves not been largely evil?
Our leaders are from among us!
I beg to disagree. The leaders do not reflect the rightoeness of a people in anyway. The leadership are produced by the system not the people. Unless you think Europeans and Americans are the righteous people.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Was Chosen Even Before Adam's Sin. God Does Not Make Mistakes by tctrills(op): 11:55pm On Mar 16, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:
I did not say that Jesus is not the lamb I clearly said that Mathew 21:33-46 and Exodus to Malachi clearly show us the several attempts God took in trying to save man "to the Hebrew first, then to the Gentiles"

And it did not commence before Adam in Genesis.
Please explain the simple phrase 'The Lamb slain before the foundations of the world.'
Christianity Etc › Re: Religion And Politics! by tctrills: 11:54pm On Mar 16, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:
Whether Obi o or Atiku or Tinubu God is not interested in when you people are choosing your kings and princes.

And till the world ends, things are never going to be good for Nigerians even if xi ping rules Nigeria..
Your opinion
Christianity Etc › Re: Religion And Politics! by tctrills: 11:23pm On Mar 16, 2023
AntiChristian:
Upon all the Church campaigns and "youth take back your country" charge that came before the elections, it can be deduced that some Churches are still on same campaign!

Was it God's mandate that Obi didn't win and Tinubu won?
Is it true that if Obi was God's project no one can rig him out?
I don't know if Obi is God's project or not. All I know is that some very 3vil men have been ruling 9ja since 1960. If God wants to liberate a people he would not make the leadership choice for them. They need to choose to follow his plan.
And I see you are really having fun, your candidate won. Congrats. Let's hope you guys chose wisely for the good of all of us.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Was Chosen Even Before Adam's Sin. God Does Not Make Mistakes by tctrills(op): 5:38pm On Mar 16, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:
You are the one refusing to accept the implication of Mathew 21:33-46
You claim Jesus Christ is not the lamb slain before the foundations of the world, I show you the scriptures. I don't know what else to show you
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Was Chosen Even Before Adam's Sin. God Does Not Make Mistakes by tctrills(op): 5:16pm On Mar 16, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:
You are just making me repeat what I have said before. Christ is our God by the instruction of His Father!

Then the parable of the wicked husbandmen. Mathew 21:33-46 has already told you what happened.
I am sure you don't understand my post
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Was Chosen Even Before Adam's Sin. God Does Not Make Mistakes by tctrills(op): 4:33pm On Mar 16, 2023
jaephoenix:
You still don't understand. And I suspect, you don't want to understand(since the regular theistic mind is incapable of brainstorming outside the religious box).
What if I, the father, i am responsible for hiring the bullies that would beat up the child, and make him fail his exams? Isn't that worthy of a mental institution? Its beyond wickedness!
You said he created man so we can learn and make mistakes? Good. Remember the one tempting and torturing us(Satan) is more powerful than us. So we are royally fvcked from the get-go. Don't give me that bullshit about us having more power than the devil. No man is omnipresent like the devil, so we are already handicapped.
And all this mayhem was created by an omniscient and omnibenevolent Yahweh.
Do you need more scenarios to buttress my point?
Now you get it wrong. God only exposed man into a world that has it all, the God, bad and ugly.
That is how we grow.
While the devil may be stronger than us as you say, we can overcome the devil. So as a father, if my son has a challenge that I know he can ultimately overcome, I would not remove the challenge. I would allow the challenge to play it's part in helping him grow.
To understand that God knows all, you must understand that life does not end in this world. Life does not end at death. The sorrows we may face on earth is nothing compared to the promises that lies ahead.
Just because school is hard doesn't mean your parents should shield you from it.
Just look at the progress man has made. Living a protected life in a garden with all we needed, we would not have been able to advance as we have. Trials, challenges, difficulties help us grow. You think an omniscient and omnibenevolent God would not know this?
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Was Chosen Even Before Adam's Sin. God Does Not Make Mistakes by tctrills(op): 2:52pm On Mar 16, 2023
jaephoenix:
When the source of the bullying is from me, then I need psychiatric evaluation. How can I send my son to school and still pay bullies to assault him?
Its the same scenario here. Yahweh (purportedly) created Adam, Satan, the forbidden tree. So why did he set up Adam knowing he'll fail?
Why did he create the forbidden tree in the first place? And he allowed Satan to deceive Adam, knowing he'll succumb?
Remember he gave Satan power and knows what he can do.
THINK
I am not such you have a child. As a parent, you don't fight all you child's bullies. Would you also fight for them if they are being bullied online? You allow you child to learn to stand up for himself.
He created all to give man the gift of choice and to allow him have experience.
There is a reason he did not create man and keep him in heaven under his protection. Rather he gave us the opportunity to learn, make mistakes, grow and experience good and bad
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Was Chosen Even Before Adam's Sin. God Does Not Make Mistakes by tctrills(op): 2:37pm On Mar 16, 2023
jaephoenix:
He knew Adam would fall but still went ahead to plant the forbidden tree right in the middle of the garden, with the best fruits? Really?
Yes. Would you prevent your son from going to school even when you know he would be bullied.
That's why he gave us Christ to overcome the effects of Adam's fall
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Was Chosen Even Before Adam's Sin. God Does Not Make Mistakes by tctrills(op): 12:21pm On Mar 16, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:
The scripture did not say that Christ was chosen as the sacrificial lamb before the world was created.

It only acknowledges that Christ is Our God; He Who is called "Lord God" at the beginning which is why we say Christ is The Lord.

The parable of the wicked husbandmen. Mathew 21:33-46 has already told you how it is and why/how Christ came to do His own part.
Now read word for word and I would make it bold.

Revelation 13:8

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Read also
2 Timothy 1:9

9 who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began.

God gave us Christ even before creating Adam. Christ was Chosen to be our Lord and Savior before Adam was created.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills(op): 11:49am On Mar 16, 2023
Janosky:
Psalm 45:6 Text Analysis screenshot PROVEN evidence.
1 Chronicles 29:23 , Luke 1:32-33= Psalm 45:6
= Revelation 3:21, throne of God his Father.

Every king of Israel and Jesus Christ sits on the throne of God, their heavenly Father.

Trinity robbed your sense grin grin
Uncle for Psalm 45:6 below is the KJV
6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.
and here is the screenshot you posted. Do you see that you vindicate me?
And the official JW translation " God is your throne forever and ever;
The scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of uprightness.. Very wrong

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills(op): 11:22am On Mar 16, 2023
Janosky:
Tctrill Slowpoke slowpoke grin grin
I always enjoy it when you begin to insult. Looool. Don't worry, I wouldn't get distracted and go into an insult battle with you. I prefer to teach you from the bible than waste time trading insults
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills(op):
Janosky:
This is your post for my quote of John 7:16.


The screenshot PROVEN evidence is spot on.

Tctrill reasoning faculty is very incoherent.
Tctrill not sane,to say the least. grin
Only you can understand what you are saying. Please learn to check if the verse is relevant before quoting. I understand you are doing your best to prove your point but at least use verses that relate.

And the official JW translation " God is your throne forever and ever;
The scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of uprightness.. Very wrong

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