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Janosky:
Exodus 6:3 & Acts 3:13 , Jehovah God and His Servants in your Bible PROVEN Tctrill is LYING.

Exodus 6.3 actually proved Jesus Christ is Jehovah and Acts 3.13 says nothing about Jehovah

3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them.
In this verse we learn that Jehovah is not the same as God Almighty. Jehovah only acted in the name of God Almighty.
Acts 3.13 13 Has nothing to do with the topic
The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.

MaxInDHouse:
So the father is also the Son shey?

Thanks for your time!

The Father is not Jehovah.

Janosky:
According to tctrill's doctrine & 1 Corinthians 3:23 exposition
Every person belongs to Christ therefore person is Jehovah.
Nah him talk am, but him wan change tune.

Bro if you have a problem with attention or understand, leave the discussion for MaxInDHouse. Now in case you did not understand, Jesus Christ is the only Jehovah. Jehovah is his name. His father is not Jehovah. Do you understand now. Please if you are having comprehension problems Just follow the thread without commenting.

Janosky:
Our relationship with Christ= Christ relationship with God.
Your lies have found you out.

What is this one saying. If our relationship with Christ equals our relationship with God, then Christ equals God. Simple primary school maths

Janosky:
1 Corinthians 3:23
"And You belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God"

According to tctrill's doctrine:
Tctrill's and and everyone is Jehovah of his old Testament.

No, not everyone just Christ. Learn to pay attention.
And thanks for the verse you quoted. Even the verse you quoted tells you that you belong to Christ. He is your Lord and God just as Thomas declared.

[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=121579371]If Adam was created in God's image does that make Adam Jehovah? Genesis 1:26
No it does not mean that Adam is Jehovah. What does Adam have to do with this?

Well the Bible called Adam God's Son too {Luke 3:38} perhaps he has grown up to become Jehovah! : Jesus Christ was Jehovah from day one. He is the Jehovah in the old testament. You claim to be his witness but you don't know who you witness?

MaxInDHouse:
If we're all sons of God and the son of God will become a God then that makes all humans Gods shey?

Well the point here is clear there's a difference between father and child so all other intelligent beings are demigods the one and only true God is JEHOVAH!

You keep bringing up this your demigod doctrine.
You say there is a difference between the father and the child but you forget that the children grow up to become Fathers. That is what it means to be God's heirs. Again Jesus Christ is the true Jehovah

MaxInDHouse:
Moses is one of God's worshipers just as Jesus so if God said He made Moses God yet Moses remains a worshiper of God and the same happened to Jesus who WAS also God and did worship God then what the scripture said at Deuteronomy 18:18 is fulfilled in the life of Jesus of Nazareth.

Here is what God's word said:

I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him. Deuteronomy 18:18

Apostle Peter confirmed that Jesus of Nazareth is the one God was referring to in that verse! Act 3:19-23

Now the concluding part of that scripture said

Indeed, I will require an account from the man who will not listen to my words that he will speak in my name. Deuteronomy 18:19

Here God is telling the Israelites that whoever among them that reject this prophet will not be forgiven. You can confirm that in the Bible book of John 3:16-18

So it's the same GOD that made both Moses and Jesus God they were never Gods on their own!

Everything you say is out of place. It does not matter if Moses or Jesus Christ were God's of their own or if they were made God's. That's not even an argument. Why do you think it's even important. At least it seems you are slowly coming around and you can now see that Jesus Christ is God.
I don't have a problem if Moses was made a God. A son of a God would become a God. So I don't see your point. The bible says we are heirs so we inherit God's nature. We also would become like him. So what's your point.

MaxInDHouse:
The reason why people call anything GOD is because of the extraordinary power if it's just the normal ability found in all other creatures no one will refer to them as GOD.
So mighty means powerful and in the case of Gods they exert extraordinary power humans can't imagine!

So you are saying that the bible prophets and apostles called anything God and the JW is out there to correct Isaiah and John right.
How about we just agree that the reason the bible called Jesus Christ God is because he is actually God. I know this is too much for you

MaxInDHouse:
Well there are many sects claiming Christians who disagree with you that Jesus is the Almighty God. Of course he once served as God just like Moses! Exodus 7:1

You see that verse (Exodus 7:1) has rendered your idea useless because if God Almighty said He made Moses a God then Jesus was also made a God by the one he always pray to!

The verse proves nothing, so if God days he made Moses a God how does that affect Jesus? What is really your point. God made Moses a God how does that affect who Jesus Christ is. Please explain how making Moses a God relates to Jesus Christ?

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ all gods are mighty whether demi or not.

The only difference is Almighty who has power over all other Gods! Psalms 83:18

How do you know all God's are mighty. You just keep saying anything

MaxInDHouse:
Out of those been called God a superior GAVE Jesus the authority and will still collect it back from him! 1Corinthians 15:27-28

So Jesus still remains a demigod not the Almighty!

Just so you know, mighty and demi are basically word and opposite

MaxInDHouse:
Out of those been called God a superior GAVE Jesus the authority and will still collect it back from him! 1Corinthians 15:27-28

So Jesus still remains a demigod not the Almighty!

In fact, at a point in our discussion, your brother Janosky claimed that Jesus Christ is an ex God. He said like Moses was a God for a while, Jesus Christ was also a God for a period.
So the JW position is as follows.
1. Jesus Christ is a demigod
2. Jesus Christ is a Godlike deity
3. Moses is a Godlike deity
4. Jesus Christ is an ex God
5. Jesus Christ is not a God

On the other hand, the bible position
1. The word was God.
2. He is the mighty God.

MaxInDHouse:
If the Bible clearly stated so nobody will argue it but it wasn't so you can't impose what isn't clearly stated each person will have to stand on his or her own personal opinion.

You mean the bible did not call Jesus Christ the mighty God? You mean the bible did not say that the word was God? But it's not clear to only JWs

MaxInDHouse:
Out of those been called God a superior GAVE Jesus the authority and will still collect it back from him! 1Corinthians 15:27-28

So Jesus still remains a demigod not the Almighty!

Oga, your bible called Jesus Christ a God not a demigod. I understand you think the bible is wrong but some of us don't.

MaxInDHouse:
Both means the same thing!

You asked if I have a dictionary. Here are the meanings of a deity. So which one is Moses?
a god or goddess (in a polytheistic religion).
"a deity of ancient Greece"

the creator and supreme being (in a monotheistic religion such as Christianity).
noun: Deity; noun: the Deity
"she raised her head as if appealing to the Deity presiding over the church"

MaxInDHouse:
Do you have that in any dictionary?

Because mighty simply means powerful and all Gods are powerful no matter there position it's the title "ALMIGHTY" they're not qualified to be called!

First Jesus Christ told you that all power in heaven and earth has been given to him. Secondly the argument is not between mighty or Almighty. We are discussing if Jesus Christ is a God and you guys think the bible is wrong.

MaxInDHouse:
Demigod is the best word for any person referred to as God but not with same power and authority as the Almighty God!

You brother Janosky called Moses a deity and you call Jesus Christ a demigod. You guys are so funny.

MaxInDHouse:
Demigod is the best word for any person referred to as God but not with same power and authority as the Almighty God!

Oga a demigod is Greek mythology. The bible and Christianity is a different religion. The bible recognize Jesus Christ as God. I understand you guys don't stick to the bible but if you stop inventing your own religion and stick to the revealed word it would do you God.

MaxInDHouse:
Exactly!
Jesus is not equal to the Almighty God so we can rightly say he is a demigod!

English, a demigod is the opposite of a mighty God. I never said Jesus was equal or not. That was never the argument. The argument was if the bible called him God and I have shown you that he was called might God.

MaxInDHouse:
There are lots of Gods {1Corinthians 8:5} and they're all mighty in power {Psalms 82:1, 6} but there is just one who is the Almighty that's the God Jesus himself worshiped! John 20:17

That's why it's appropriate to conclude Jesus is a demigod!

Or you believe there are lots of God's now. See confusion. You asked me to show you where the bible called Jesus Christ a God and I showed you where he was called a mighty God, does that settle it now?
Also, simple English, a demigod is the opposite of a mighty God.

MaxInDHouse:
So in a nutshell you're trying to prove it but it wasn't CLEARLY STATED anywhere that
"Jesus is God" shey?

For you English lesson, a mighty God is the opposite of a demigod.
Demi means half; half-size.
"demisemiquaver"
2.
partially; in an inferior degree.
Hence, a demigod is never a mighty God. Please consult your dictionary.

MaxInDHouse:
So in a nutshell you're trying to prove it but it wasn't CLEARLY STATED anywhere that
"Jesus is God" shey?

Are you confused? Am I the one that called Jesus the mighty God? It's in you bible oga

MaxInDHouse:
Don't resort to insult now my friend.
Tell everyone the meaning of a demigod as found in your dictionary and let's see if it correlates with what i said.
For the challenge it's not about choice of words but what you claimed:

It is not CLEARLY STATED anywhere in the Bible that "Jesus is God" that's what you're trying so hard to shy away from and i have gotten your message.

I did not insult you. I only stated that the definition of a demigod is not someone that prays to his father. So if that is the only JW argument then it is foolish.
Did your bible not call him the mighty God?

MaxInDHouse:
If you truly want to TEACH you won't tell a lie that it's CLEARLY STATED in the Bible that "Jesus is God" then start disturbing me when i told you the meaning of "demigod"

TEACHING is not about quoting other people but choosing appropriate words to drive home your point.

Jesus prayed, knelt, begged and cried onto someone greater than him so that is enough evidence he is not the Almighty God but a demigod just like Moses.

Ọmọ this is not about arguing blindly but what anyone with COMMON sense can easily decipher!

Your reason for calling Jesus Christ a demigod is because he prayed to his father. My reason for calling him God is because the bible called him God. Isaiah called him the mighty God and John told us he is the word and the word was God. Even the Apostle Thomas declared Jesus Christ is Lord and God.

MaxInDHouse:
If you truly want to TEACH you won't tell a lie that it's CLEARLY STATED in the Bible that "Jesus is God" then start disturbing me when i told you the meaning of "demigod"

TEACHING is not about quoting other people but choosing appropriate words to drive home your point.

Jesus prayed, knelt, begged and cried onto someone greater than him so that is enough evidence he is not the Almighty God but a demigod just like Moses.

Ọmọ this is not about arguing blindly but what anyone with COMMON sense can easily decipher!

Baba, just agree to the challenge na. Stop beating about the bush Mr demigod.
The definition of a demigod is not someone that prayed, knelt, begged and cried onto someone greater than him. Please look up the definition before making a foolish argument.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ just rest the case, it's not CLEARLY STATED anywhere in the Bible that "Jesus is God" enjoy your day!

Someone is scared here. Please sir don't be afraid of a little challenge. It seems you are no longer sure of your beliefs.
You question my beliefs and I am happy to teach you from the scriptures but I just want to know if you can do the same.

MaxInDHouse:
No STORY!

Oya quote it out in any version of the Bible for everyone to see where it's CLEARLY STATED that "Jesus IS God"

Oga I am waiting. I will show you 3 verses in the bible that called Jesus Christ God and you just show me one that called him a demigod. Do we have an agreement 🤝?

MaxInDHouse:
No STORY!

Oya quote it out in any version of the Bible for everyone to see where it's CLEARLY STATED that "Jesus IS God"

I will but I would also love to hear your demigod version so are you promising to quote your demigod version?

MaxInDHouse:
Is it "CLEARLY STATED" in your own copy of the scriptures that "Jesus is God" in any of the two verses you cited?

Yes it is sir. But your JW scriptures says he is a demigod. I actually prefer my own scriptures to your myth.
I was thinking Janosky is your elder bro but I can see that he has left the discussion to you. I guess this is because both of you were preaching two different doctrines. Or maybe you don't attend the same JW branch.

MaxInDHouse:
NO!
The Bible never say "Jesus IS God"

You can never find it anywhere in the Bible!

John 1.1
Isaiah 9.6

MaxInDHouse:
Words like demigod/ godlike/ a god is more appropriate to help your listener understand why someone you call God is praying, begging and crying onto another God for help. Isaiah said the child will be called "mighty God" wisdom should tell you that there is another called "Almighty God" Psalms 83:18; 110:1

Your dictionary should help you out here but quoting the Bible without reasonable meaning leaves your listener in confusion that's why none of the churches around have active members to preach zealously and industriously teach like JWs as Jesus commanded his disciples to do! Matthew 28:19-20; Act 1:8

Oga, keep justifying your fetish beliefs. You guys have invented a whole new religion by mixing Christian realities with febles. The bible clearly stated that Jesus Christ is God, but just to be different you guys now make him a demigod.
I noticed that you and your bro went silent at the very same time. I am sure you guys have met to collaborate your stories so you don't continue disgracing yourselves.