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 Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills(op): 5:31am On Mar 11, 2023 |
Janosky:How to make a JW scared and run 1. Be patient. Even when they begin to throw tantrums remain calm no need to fight. 2. Read all the verses they throw at you. Most of the time those verses do not say what they claim it does. 3. They love to point you to scholars on their side. But remember, there are scholars on both sides. Read from both sides and make your choice. 4. Know the scriptures. Depend on your scriptures for answers. Point them to the scriptures. 5. Acknowledge you don't know all things and be open to learn more even from them. They would qoute a few verses that would get you thinking. Be prepared to research. 6. You may not go to your pastor for answers. He would most likely give his own angle. The bible is there for you and everyone to read and it is mostly free. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills(op): 5:19am On Mar 11, 2023 |
Janosky:I love the way you are scare to simply copy and paste the verses you qouted. Lying is not going to help you here because I would copy, paste, and teach you John 20:17 17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. Jehovah acknowledges his Father and his God. Matthew 27:46 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Jehovah cries to his God Is it now clear to you? The problem with you modern Christians is you only read and understand selected verses given to you by your pastors. Jesus Christ told the Jews to study the old testament because it testifies of him. The entire old testament testifies of Jehovah. Jesus Christ is the main subject of the old testament not his Father. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills(op): 4:30am On Mar 11, 2023 |
Janosky:You can keep mentioning verses that have nothing to do with the argument. But of us already agreed that Jesus Christ (Jehovah) has a father. So what is your point? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills(op): 4:27am On Mar 11, 2023 |
Janosky:From a bible discussions to a comedy show. This fake Nairaland Christians are all the same 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills(op): 4:26am On Mar 11, 2023 |
Janosky:I knew it would come to you saying nonsense. When a dishonest man is pushed to the wall he tried everything to escape. How is Moses a godlike deity? 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills(op): 11:54pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:Isaiah sees Jehovah/ Jesus Christ Isaiah 6:5 Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts. Note John 6:46 46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. Isaiah did not see the Father. He saw Jehovah the Lord of host. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills(op): 11:46pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:Jehovah is the light John 8:12 12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. Psalm 27:1 27 The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills(op): 11:08pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:Now what I mean. It's there in your bible. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills(op): 10:56pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:Wrong, Jesus Christ cried to his father and not to himself. He is Jehovah. And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Don't worry, tomorrow I will continue your lecture from the bible to teach you who Jehovah is. You are bearing false witness  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills(op): 10:55pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
[quote author=Janosky post=121642363][/quote]It's funny, you think you know more than scholars because they don't agree with your scholars. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills(op): 10:38pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:Jesus Christ claimed ownership of the temple built for Jehovah. He called it his house. Matthew 21:13 13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves. Because he was Jehovah, the temple was his. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills(op): 10:27pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:David prophecies of Jehovah/Jesus Christ Psalm 107:23-30 They that go down to the sea in ships, That do business in great waters; These see the works of the LORD, And his wonders in the deep. For he commandeth, and raiseth the stormy wind, Which lifteth up the waves thereof. They mount up to the heaven, they go down again to the depths: Their soul is melted because of trouble. They reel to and fro, and stagger like a drunken man, And are at their wits' end. Then they cry unto the LORD in their trouble, And he bringeth them out of their distresses. He maketh the storm a calm, So that the waves thereof are still. Then are they glad because they be quiet; So he bringeth them unto their desired haven. Psalm 89:8-9 KJV O LORD God of hosts, who is a strong LORD like unto thee? Or to thy faithfulness round about thee? Thou rulest the raging of the sea: When the waves thereof arise, thou stillest them. Compare to Mark 4:39–41 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills(op): 10:22pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:Mark 2:28 Jesus Christ is Lord of the Sabbath. It was he that established the sabbath. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills(op): 10:15pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:Malachi's testimony that Jesus Christ is Jehovah 3 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts. Read Isaiah too Isaiah 40:3 3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. Jesus Christ was the God/Jehovah to the prophets of old |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills(op): 10:06pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:Jehovah is the king of Israel Isaiah 44:6 6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Jesus Christ is the king of Israel Matthew 2:2 2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills(op): 9:59pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:The problem with you is that your knowledge is very onesided. There are hundreds of divided scholars on both sides. But word for word, John 1.1 translates as "God was the word." Be vast in your study. That's the way to grow. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills(op): 9:44pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:Argue with scholars now The Greek Article Edit The Greek article is often translated the, which is the English definite article, but it can have a range of meanings that can be quite different from those found in English, and require context to interpret.[25] Ancient Greek does not have an indefinite article like the English word a, and nominatives without articles also have a range of meanings that require context to interpret. Colwell's Rule Edit In interpreting this verse, Colwell's rule should be taken into consideration, which says that a definite predicate which is before the verb "to be" usually does not have the definite article. Ernest Cadman Colwell writes: The opening verse of John’s Gospel contains one of the many passages where this rule suggests the translation of a predicate as a definite noun. Καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος [Kaì theòs ên ho lógos] looks much more like "And the Word was God" than "And the Word was divine" when viewed with reference to this rule. The absence of the article does not make the predicate indefinite or qualitative when it precedes the verb, it is indefinite in this position only when the context demands it. The context makes no such demand in the Gospel of John, for this statement cannot be regarded as strange in the prologue of the gospel which reaches its climax in the confession of Thomas [Footnote: John 20,28]."[26] Jason David BeDuhn (Professor of Religious Studies at Northern Arizona University) criticizes Colwell's Rule as methodologically unsound and "not a valid rule of Greek grammar."[27] |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills(op): 9:36pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:The word was never devine. Just because you and a few others say it was devine does not make it so. Now read Zechariah 12.10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills(op): 9:31pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:Isaiah 43:11 11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour. Titus 2:13 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Jehovah is the Savoir of the world. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills(op): 9:27pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:On the side note, Remember I taught you that Thomas called Jesus Christ his Lord and God. He was not the first to do so. Even David in the old testament called Jesus Christ his Lord. How come Jesus |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills(op): 9:25pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:Now to show how foolish your argument is. 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (EVM version) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (ASV version) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (ABCE version) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.(CSB version) Do you now see why your argument makes no sense? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills(op): 9:20pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:This is the most stupid argument you have made since I ever met you. What if I bring out 5 bible versions that agree with my points would you agree that I am correct? Of course I know some bible versions agree with you so what's your point? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills(op): 9:07pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
[quote author=Janosky post=121639547]Exodus 6:3, Oga what is his Almighty God's name? Acts3:13,Oga, what is his Son's name? You are confused by Trinity. The son's name is Jehovah. I am sure you can read but let me explain it to you just in case. So let's assume my first name is John and my surname is Paul and you happen to know me as Paul. Then I say to you, you know me by my father's name but by my own name you know me not. Simple English. "He will be called "Everlasting Father" ,is that expression in your Bible? Do you understand that sentence in Isaiah 9:6? Is Jesus called "Everlasting Father" in the garden of Eden? Oga, when ? I don't understand your point here please explain better "[b]Your Trinitarian mentors DUBIOUSLY inserted "God" into 1 Timothy 3 :16, you are here deluding yourself with forgery of holy scriptures. The screenshot evidence is on this very thread posted today afternoon. [/b] No one can forge the scriptures. They are there for all to see. Everything I ever said to you were written by prophets and apostles. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills(op): 9:01pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills(op): 6:28pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
FxMasterz:I Agree with you that Jesus Christ is God but definitely not the same person as his father. Being one could mean a few different things |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills(op): 5:59pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:Jehovah is the son but yes he is the Everlasting Father. The problem with you guys is that you choose the verses to believe in and those to disbelieve. Your bible called Jesus Christ the Everlasting Father and it also called him the Son of God so why are you acting confused? And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills(op): 5:59pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:How do you know no one has ever given a commandment to Jehovah. His father has given commandments to him. And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills(op): 5:57pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:There are thousand bible versions so why produce one or2 that suit you. Please produce all the versions them we can compare. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills(op): 5:55pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:So your point is that the moment you perform magic, you become a deity right? There is this man who can hold his breath in water for hours, is he also a Godlike deity? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills(op): 5:53pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:Please copy and paste. And yes there are thousands of bibles and I can qoute other versions that reflect my angle so what's your point? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills(op): 5:52pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:These verses don't say anything close to what you claim. Please copy and paste for the world to see your dishonesty. You claim Moses is a godlike deity but we both know that is nonsense. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills(op): 5:48pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:No please learn to read And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them. Jesus Christ (Jehovah) tells Moses that he had acted in the name of the Almighty and not in his own name Jehovah. The verse tells that they were 2 different people, Jehovah and God Almighty. |
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