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Janosky:
A god/a God meaning godlike, deity.
Indefinite article (a) is game changer.
Oga, you are confused.

You claim to be Jehovah witnesses but clearly you have no idea who Jehovah is. Jesus Christ told the Jews that he is Lord of the Sabbath yet you still don't know that he is Jehovah.
He told them that he is I Am yet you argue. He is the very God of Israel. That is why David called him 'My Lord'. He is the Lord God of the old testament not his Father. He said, I came to my own by my own knew me not. Israel was his own. He was their God.

Janosky:
A god/a God meaning godlike, deity.
Indefinite article (a) is game changer.
Oga, you are confused.

And for you, the JW bible correction goes thus.
In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was a godlike deity?
You guys have so corrupted Christianity that your version is no different from Greek mythology.
I still wonder why you feel the need to correct the bible and why you feel we should believe you mythology over Christianity

MaxInDHouse:
Whether you like it or not God's word confirmed that there are many Gods both in heaven and on earth! 1Corinthians 8:5

So if you don't believe that's your cup of coffee!

So according to JW correction of the bible,
In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was a demigod.
And Isaiah 9.6 should read, the mighty demigod.
You religion is a foolish bend of Greek mythology and a little bit of the bible.
Do you realize that demigods are used in Greek mythology not in Christianity?

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ nah demigods dey bow, pray, beg, cry onto someone else!

Really, it doesn't matter if a God prays to another. Clearly you believe in many Gods. Also I am pretty sure the bible never refered to anyone as a demigod. This is another JW invention.
If only you guys could turn your inventions to science and tech and not just in stupid catch phases.

MaxInDHouse:
Surely both Moses and Jesus were a demigods because the power was bestowed on them by someone who is all powerful!

That's what consistency is all about not just arguing without concluding on a clear point!

From your arguments, it's clear that you believe in many Gods only that you call one Almighty. Very little difference between you and me at that except that you sound exactly like the ancient Greeks. This was their position.

MaxInDHouse:
Surely both Moses and Jesus were a demigods because the power was bestowed on them by someone who is all powerful!

That's what consistency is all about not just arguing without concluding on a clear point!

Jesus was a demigod according to JW. Not written in my Bible. Meanwhile you elder brother thinks Moses is deity.

Janosky:
A god/a God meaning godlike, deity.
Indefinite article (a) is game changer.
Oga, you are confused.

You and your younger brother should iron out your differences and stick to the same position. Was Moses also a Godlike deity?

MaxInDHouse:
This is why you're semi-atheist always saying you're catching fun when you can't prove anything right!

Jesus and Moses were Gods but the one and only true God they both worshiped is the one we JWs worship.

That's why Jesus said:

I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. John 20:17

Ọmọ Jesus' Father is my father, his God is my God!

Now you call Jesus Christ a false God. Loool

Janosky:
A god/a God meaning godlike, deity.
Indefinite article (a) is game changer.
Oga, you are confused.

A God means a God not a godlike deity stop inventing stuff just for the purpose of Argument.

Janosky:
Let's see the screenshot evidence of Exclamation mark @ John 20:28.
Exclamations in John 20:28.
Thomas exclaimed in surprise that Jesus had indeed risen from the dead, because he didn't initially believed Jesus resurrected verses 23-29.

Clearly he was surprised to see Jesus Christ that does not make him mistake Jesus Christ for his God. He recognized his God. You don't need to guess just believe the bible.

Janosky:
You will make a claim while your fellow Trinitarians will knock out your claim.

In the old Testament, your Jesus was an angel.
Genesis 16:7 is another evidence of your fellow Trinitarians disprove your claim.

Your fellow JW MaxInDHouse disagrees with you, he actually believes that there are more than 1 God. His very words.

So there are many Gods with that quality of being mighty in power but only one is the Almighty and that's the God Jesus worshiped, prayed to, begged for help and cried to for his safety!
So please argue with him first. Is Jesus Christ a God or not?

MaxInDHouse:
He never doubted 1Corinthians 8:5 it's you who now said Gods Son is the same God that born himself is the one needing wisdom here!

Please talk to him, your boy is very confused. You called Jesus Christ a God and not you say he is not a God anymore? You are more confused than him looooool

Janosky:
You will make a claim while your fellow Trinitarians will knock out your claim.
Genesis 16:7 is another evidence of your fellow Trinitarians disprove your claim.

Boss you seem confused with your position. You are arguing for Trinitarians now? Lool. Please where do you stand.

MaxInDHouse:
Psalms 82:1

"GOD stand in the congregation of the Mighty Ones He judges among the Gods"

So there are many Gods with that quality of being mighty in power but only one is the Almighty and that's the God Jesus worshiped, prayed to, begged for help and cried to for his safety! Hebrews 5:7

So you agree that there are more than one God. Please teach your brother Janosky, he is yet to believe this.
He does not believe Jesus Christ is a God.

Janosky:
When you shout "oh My God! ", Exclamation mark of surprise, @ John 20:28.
That's not a reference to God at all.
Oga,Stop deceiving yourself.
Open any translation of John 20:28 & take note of the exclamation mark (!) there.

Las las ,John wrote chapter 20 verse 31 to DISAGREE with your claim.

Only an idiot would shout My Lord and my God in exclamation. Stop this fake guess. It is a sin to use 5mthe Lord's name in vain. The Lord's name is not an exclamation mark. We all know it's disrespectful hence we don't use our father's names as exclamation. An apostle of Jesus Christ is not an idiot.

MaxInDHouse:
"His name is God"

Ọmọ you need a Bible study, when Isaiah said "his name will be called" it simply means
"do the works of"
Wonderful Counselor
Mighty God
Everlasting Father
Prince of Peace
This are the qualities Jesus' disciples saw in him so when Jesus asked them what the people said about him the responses are:
John the baptist or Elijah or Jeremiah or another prophet.
Jesus later directed the question to his faithful disciples and their response is:
"You are the Son of God" Matthew 16:16
Jesus commended that and said it's on that note that his congregation will be built. Matthew 16:18
What Jesus wants everyone to believe about him is that Jesus is the Son of God NOT God!

More than one verse in the bible calls Jesus Christ God but you claim Jesus does not want you to believe he is God. See confusion
If someone tells you an animal is the Son of a lion and you have a problem calling it a lion then I can't help you.
My father is a man and that is why I am also a man

Janosky:
Catholic Jerusalem Bible, owned by Catholics,Core Trinitarians.
The same ghost leading you taught them "to pay homage" @ Hebrews 1:6.
Deal with it.

Oga are you discussing with me or are you here to discuss catholic doctrine. Your bible called Jesus Christ God in both testament but according to you, he was not really God. Should we believe you or the bible? It's not about the Catholic beliefs it's about the bible teachings

MaxInDHouse:
"His name is God"

Ọmọ you need a Bible study, when Isaiah said "his name will be called" it simply means
"do the works of"
Wonderful Counselor
Mighty God
Everlasting Father
Prince of Peace
This are the qualities Jesus' disciples saw in him so when Jesus asked them what the people said about him the responses are:
John the baptist or Elijah or Jeremiah or another prophet.
Jesus later directed the question to his faithful disciples and their response is:
"You are the Son of God" Matthew 16:16
Jesus commended that and said it's on that note that his congregation will be built. Matthew 16:18
What Jesus wants everyone to believe about him is that Jesus is the Son of God NOT God!

Oga, mighty God is a quality hmm. Guesswork people

Janosky:
The Catholics brought Trinity to you.
These Trinitarians led by the same ghost teaching you have disagreed with your claim.
Is Paul and Peter teaching you conflicting doctrines?

Oga, I have not quoted a single catholic doctrine but I have quoted the bible so calm down. Paul and Peter never preached against Jesus Christ being God. In fact Thomas declared Jesus Christ as his Lord and God.

Janosky:
Matthew 2:2
New American Bible
saying, “Where is the newborn king of the Jews? We saw his star at its rising and have come to do him homage.”


New Revised Standard Version
asking, “Where is the child who has been born king of the Jews? For we observed his star at its rising, and have come to pay him homage.


Is Jesus instruction to you still missing in your Bible @ Matthew 4:10?

So your version of bible calls worship homage I see. I guess wherever you see worship in your bible, you replace with homage or is it only in the convenient places.

Janosky:
Did Hebrew 1:6 mention any humans? Is Oga Tctrill an angel?
Your Trinitarian mentors says Hebrews 1:6 , Catholic Jerusalem Bible is "pay homage to Jesus", the same point in Phillipians 2:10,as it is depicted in the screenshot.
You are DECEIVING YOURSELF.

Oga you don't have any point here. And you are just trying to be funny. So you point is that Jesus Christ is God only to angels right?
You are the one using the Catholic Jerusalem Bible and you are trying to force it on me. Lool

[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=121558100]

Moses WAS God says the Bible!

[b]And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee God to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. Exodus 7:1

Whether you agree or not Moses WAS at a point in time God on this planet says the Bible.

Jesus never ever claimed to be God just as Moses never claimed to be God but the power to act as God was given to both of them when they walked this planet.

So your idea that Jesus IS God has been flawed because there is no Bible verse that says Jesus IS God rather what we found written is that the word WAS God. John 1:1[/b]
Oga it's not my idea that Jesus Christ was God, it's the revealed word of God. You could relate it to Moses if you like but the bible was clear he is God

Isaiah prophesied that the male child will be called.... Mighty God {Isaiah 9:6} and so when the child walked this planet he served as God in the midst of his contemporaries but never at any point in time did he claim to be God rather he prayed, begged and cried unto the one and only true God to save him!
Oga his name is God. He did not serve as God. The bible did not teach that he served as God, the bible called him God. Who do we believe, you or our bibles?

[quote author=Janosky post=121557714] [b]17:7 & Matthew 28:18 yet Jesus can't give himself any power or title.
You keep arguing off point. Yes his father gave him all power so what. How does that make him no longer God. Please explain.



@Nicene 326AD, your Trinitarian mentors said Jesus is NOT God the Father but you insist he is.[b]
Either you are LYING or your mentors at Nicene were LYING.
You are the one qouting Nicene, so far, I have only quoted the bible.


[b]Tctrill said: No one is placing anyone on any pedestal. I am only teaching you that they are both God"
Tctrill says "they are both God" on the same
pedestal. Tctrill's teaching.
Oga, you are not honest [/b]
You bible calls Jesus Christ God so unless you are calling the bible a dishonest record.

1 Corinthians 8:6 & 11-3 & 3:23, did Paul place both of them on the same pedestal?
Your pedestal argument has nothing to do with Jesus Christ being God. We are not here to profile the Gods. The bible makes it clear that Jesus Christ is our God and Father even in the old testament. So argue with your bible.

[quote author=Janosky post=121556523]Oga,Don't bring in your fallacy into the Father's benevolent gesture.

The beginning and the end" is a title.
John 17:7, Jesus admitted it was given to him.
Are they 2 persons?
Yes ! You think Jesus Christ is a Nigerian with false titles. Oga he is not. He is the very beginning and the end.

Have you admitted they are not equal?
Yes!
When your king gives you a title, are you his equal?
Will your king prostrate or bow to you?
Equality has never been our discussion. God would not give you a false title. He is not dishonest.


You are very desperate to place them on the same pedestal.
1 Corinthians 8:6 & 11-3 & 3:23, did Paul place both of them on the same pedestal?
You are bringing up very irrelevant arguments. No one is placing anyone on any pedestal. I am only teaching you that they are both God just as they are both Savoir and both of them are the beginning and the end. They are both our Father and so on and so forth.

Janosky:

God is NOT a House, your analogy faulty.
God will NOT, NEVER worship his son.
His son is NOT Almighty God.
Jesus converted Paul.
1 Corinthians 11:1-3 & 1 Corinthians 8:6, did Paul worship Jesus you worship?

The ONLY Theos (God) is ONLY the Father, Jesus Christ said that, John 17:3.
Emphasis.... ONLY stands ALONE.
Paul the apostle repeated that,1 Corinthians 8:6.
The God (ho Theos) of gods (theoi), Deuteronomy 10:17, his sons are theoi (gods), says Jesus , John10:34-36. Is Jesus his son? Jesus is a god ,theoi.

Hebrews 1:6

And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says,
“And let all the angels of God worship Him

Philippians 2:10

so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

Matthew 14:33

And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, “You are certainly God’s Son!”

Matthew 2:2

“Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him.”

Biodun556:
Lagos indigene are plenty in good numbers

Lagos is not no man's land. Stop saying nonsense

This argument only comes up during elections. You boys never get tired of tribalism

[quote author=Janosky post=121555634]
[[b]i]God is NOT a House, your analogy faulty.
God will NOT, NEVER worship his son.
His son is NOT Almighty God.
Jesus converted Paul.
1 Corinthians 11:1-3 & 1 Corinthians 8:6, did Paul worship Jesus you worship?
You are right he is not a house. If he were a house, then the analogy would be faulty. That's why it is an analogy.

The ONLY Theos (God) is ONLY the Father, Jesus Christ said that, John 17:3.
Emphasis.... ONLY stands ALONE.
Paul the apostle repeated that,1 Corinthians 8:6.
There again you are wrong. Isaiah called Jesus Christ the mighty God and John taught that the word was God
The God (ho Theos) of gods (theoi), Deuteronomy 10:17, his sons are theoi (gods), says Jesus , John10:34-36. Is Jesus his son? Jesus is a god ,theoi. Oga the Hebrew alphabet had no small letters hence you are writing your own bible.
Again, your theory makes no sense. You claim at some point that there is only one God but then again, you call Jesus Christ a God. Please ask your pastor to explain better to you before you come back here

MaxInDHouse:
Please quote or cite a verse where the Bible says:

"Jesus IS God"

There is no verse from Genesis to Revelation where it's written that way.

John said:
"the word WAS God" because Jesus only served as God for a point in time just as Moses also served as God at a point in time. Exodus 7:1

Jehovah is the one and only person who IS God, all other Gods are lesser than Him because he permitted them to act as God for a reason there IS no other God but one! Deuteronomy 6:4 compare to Mark 12:29

You just quoted that the word was God. Oga your bible never said Moses was God stop being funny.
And yes Jesus Christ is Jehovah.
Please read John 1.1
It seems you are assuming that at some point, Jesus Christ stopped being God. But that is not biblical so I can't join you in such believe.

Janosky:
Revelation 1:6 & 3:12 PROVEN that the Seniority is in heaven you are here deluding yourself.

Please read the screenshot of Revelation 1:6 "His God and Father (his Senior, Elder)."
@ @Revelation 3:12 Jesus said "my God"?
Both verses, John the apostle confirmed Jesus is a Worshipper of God, his Father (his Senior, Elder).

The argument was never about seniority in heaven. Please stop losing concentration. I am only teaching you that your bible tells that Jesus Christ is God. Is his father senior to him? Yes
But if you don't believe the bible, it's up to you.
Question for you.. what did Jesus Christ call himself the beginning and the end? Are there 2 beginnings and ends

Janosky:
Tctrill said "both are God".
Oga, you have admitted both are NOT equal.
Oga,you worship 2 unequal Beings
Therefore, Jesus is NOT his God.
More so,The ONE true God is Superior over Jesus, John 17:3.

Oga your argument makes no sense. Even if they are not equal, how that mean that Jesus is not God. Please explain your logic. So if your house is bigger than my house does it mean mine is not a house? John 1. 1

Janosky:
I hereby confirm & expose your DUBIOUS attempt to divert attention from the questions you dodge.

Oga, answer the 2 questions with the words of Revelation 1:6 & Revelation 3:12.
Who did Jesus Christ worship @
Revelation 1:6 & Revelation 3:12?

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John 17:7, who did Jesus confess gave him the titles in Revelation chapter 1?

You are bringing up irrelevant things. If Jesus Christ worshipped his father how does that show he is not God? I ask you again oga was it not written in your bible that Jesus Christ is God?

Also, Revelation 1.6
And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen
The verse never said Jesus Christ worshipped anyone. Or can't you read. Please read before you quote.

Janosky:
Tctrill the polytheist confessed he has 2 Gods-One God Father & another God, Son.
Revelation 1:6 & Revelation 3:12, did Jesus tell Tctrill Jesus is a Worshipper?
Did the God of Revelation 1:6 & Revelation 3:12 Worship His Son?

You seem confused, why would a God worship his son. What is your point exactly. I was not the one that crowned Jesus Christ a God. The bible teaches so. If you have a problem about Jesus Christ being God please argue with your bible and not me. My duty is to read the bible and accept it's teachings or is John 1.1 not part of your own bible?