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[quote author=Janosky post=121548345]Judges 3:9, Othniel is a Saviour.
Judges 3:15 , another Saviour.
Psalm 107:13 is the Saviour who appoint His son a saviour in 1 John 4:14.
So in essence 2 Saviours. 2 God's. 2 Person's labeled as the beginning and the end


In your own Bible,There were many saviours appointed by The Almighty Saviour of Psalm 107:13. please make yourself clear here. What is your point.


John 17:7, Jesus Christ says you are very deluded.
Jesus Christ was appointed.
The titles does not make them the same person.
Even your 3 deities mentors @ Nicene said the Father is NOT Jesus Christ.
I have never said Jesus Christ and his Father are the same person you are mistaking me for someone else. Please put yourself together and calm down.



Slave of delusion
Did your 3 deities mentors at Nicene tell you Jesus and his Father are the same Father? Mr rudeboy, I never said Jesus Christ and his Father are the same. You seem very agitated.


They are NOT the same Father therefore not what you claimed.
1 Corinthians 15:24-27,45 his Father is NOT last Adam.
Now since you obviously mistook me for someone else, here is what I have been telling you.
Both Jesus Christ and his Father are God according to the bible.
Jesus Christ is the great I Am of the old testament. He is the Jehovah of the Old testament. His father is not Jehovah.
Exodus 6:3

3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them.
Zechariah 12

9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Janosky:
Mumu WAILER,who does the Almighty worship?

Nobody.

Who did Jesus Christ worship?
Revelation 1:6 & Revelation 3:12, Jesus worship The God Almighty.

John 17:7, Jesus confessed he was given the titles in Revelation chapter 1.

Oga, you 3 deities slaves don't know Jesus of the holy scriptures.

Do we have 2 saviours?
Do we have 2 beginning and end
Do we have 2 Father's (Jesus Christ is the Everlasting Father and I bet you his father is also and Everlasting Father.
Yet you fail to understand that Jesus Christ is God like his father.

[quote author=Janosky post=121527801] [b]Revelation 1:1 the revelation which God Almighty gave Jesus. what's your point here.




Revelation 1:6
and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father......"
We both agree with this just the same way I believe in John 1.1
"Serve his God and Father", Greek Revelation 1:6.
Revelation 1:6 = Revelation 3:12.
3 deities slave deceiving himself.
And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Now no one said Jesus Christ does not have a father but just as I and my father bear the same name, Jesus Christ and his Father are both God and the bible clearly teaches that in both the old and new testament. Do you now understand?

Janosky:
Mumu WAILER,who does the Almighty worship?

Nobody.

Who did Jesus Christ worship?
Revelation 1:6 & Revelation 3:12, Jesus worship The God Almighty.

John 17:7, Jesus confessed he was given the titles in Revelation chapter 1.

Oga, you 3 deities slaves don't know Jesus of the holy scriptures.

I just laugh the way you write verses without knowing what they contain and they are so not connected to the argument.
If you were not so occupied with fighting and insulting, you would have read the verses I took the pains to paste word for word and you would have learnt that Jesus Christ is the beginning and the end, clearly stated.
Now if the bible calls Jesus Christ the beginning and the end, the Savior and even God, why can't you open your eyes and see that he is the God of Israel.

I guess what I pasted was too long for you to read so read just 2 verses.

And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

divinemichael:
Note; I don't misunderstand the trinity, I clearly understand that Christ is God in the sense that he is one of the trinity, and consubstantial with God and is infact God's word, and thus God.
My question is how come he gave laws to Moses, and later came to earth to find fault in some of those same laws? Isn't that inconsistent?

Isaiah 28.13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

1 Corinthians 13:12
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Do these verses answer your question?

chamboi1:
How can you be saving $150m from the coffers of a poor state like Anambra. If you take that $150m to Invest in Aba-made products from Onishta mainly on quality and advertising for Nigerians Appreciation of the products. You'd have made 150 dollar Millionaires that will pay taxes that will be 150 times more than the $150m.

And you waited for almost 10 years to make a post about it.

Munamoqel:
Can any one make me understand ? They sleep , salivate over Lagos which has been on steady progress since 99 while their home states are in tartars . Is that they wish Lagos to become like Abia govern by the likes of ipakzu or orji . They are encouraging MUMU Yoruba youths to hand over the 4 th largest economy to a rookie

After election, all this foolish talk would end until another 4 years

dustmalik:
OP, we dash LP all the APC votes in Rivers and Lagos, LP still won't catch up. So what's the point?

Obi could never have won this election, no matter how you look at it. Take a second look at his numbers in the core north, he did very poorly.

Obi will be wasting his time and money going to court.

Oga, this is no more about Obi. If we all truly love our country, we need accountability. We need to jail all those who rigged our election and then we can move forward. If Tinubu won cleanly we would all pray for his government and wish him well.

Dtruthspeaker:
Truth will always be truth, regardless of what I think or do not think. You don't have any thing to say.

Now you are making sense. The truth has nothing to do with what you think and how you feel.
So please next time don't just blow out your feelings. Make sure that you are on the side of truth.

Dtruthspeaker:
Truth will always be truth, regardless of whether I made the statement or not. So you don't have any valid thing to say then to howl and lament your destruction.

Oga, how old are you? You really need to grow up. You need to learn that just because you think something is true, that does not make it true.

HUMANIIST:
A child is born, and upon hitting puberty, discovers that he or
she is attracted to the same gender.
Confused at first, they wondered why they had no romantic
attraction to the opposite gender.
They feel differently, and without a support system they end
up isolating themselves, trying to figure out the hows and
whys.
They never created themselves, nor do they have control over
this attraction.
But homophobia, propagated by religion, leads them to hate
themselves, to the extent of suffering from internalised
homophobia.
This is when a homosexual fight and bullies other
homosexuals to avoid suspicion.
And they can be very convincing.
In nature, we have counted over 1500 species that engage in
homosexuality.
Unfortunately, homophobia exists in one, humans.
The beauty of life lies in our differences. You can't hate
someone because of his race, beliefs or sexuality.
Live and let live.

AndroidAI

Same sex attraction is natural but being gay is a decision. We all are attracted to do different stupid stuff but it's up to us to resist.

Dtruthspeaker:
It is impossible to counter because "THERE IS NO VALID ARGUMENT AGAINST THE TRUTH"

Lool
Oga just because you make a statement does not make it true. If you had proved it with scripture then that's a different thing. I could tell you that I sleep in the moon everyday. Anyone can say anything these days.

Dtruthspeaker:
Yet you could not counter it because it is True that it is only devils and children of devils who have this madness. Normal people don't. So, You don't have any thing to say devil.

It's hard to counter when an adult talks like a child. No verse in the bible teaches what you say.

Janosky:
Revelation 3:12 in heaven Jesus Christ confessed himself is a worshipper of my God Jehovah.

Oga, continue your rants.

Since you don't know who Jesus Christ is, please read his own words and learn.

Revelation 1
King James Version
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;

13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Janosky:
Who sent Othniel the saviour?
John 7:16 & John 3:16 repeated at 1 John 4:14, you either get it or continue deceiving yourself.

I can see why you are uncomfortable quoting the verses you are mentioning. We both know that the bible never spoke of a supreme savoir. You modern Christians keep inventing strange things.

elated177:
Tctrills, there are some attractions that are unnatural and unclean. Where does sexual attraction come from? Is it not the mind? If the mind can influenced to do or practise certain things which are wired into the brain by the Creator, who told you that sexual attraction can't be unnatural or unclean.

The mind can be influenced to crave or desire things that are contrary to nature. Isn't this the specialty of the worshippers of Satan and the demons?

You are the same lying guy right?

Janosky:
Q1.
"And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world,"
1 John 4:14.
The Father is the Supreme Saviour.
Without His Command, his son won't save anybody.

Q2.
John 17:7, Jesus Christ confession.

Q3.
Acts 3:13,20,23Jehovah the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Moses is the God of Jesus Christ.

The bible never spoke of a supreme savoir. So if you believe the Father is a Savior and Jesus is also a Savior, why do you find it Hard to believe that Jesus Christ is also the God of Israel

Jokanem:
Is God a Trinity?

Many Christian denominations teach that God is a Trinity. However, note what the Encyclopædia Britannica states: “Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies.”

In fact, the God of the Bible is never described as being part of a Trinity. Note these Bible passages:

“Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.”—Deuteronomy 6:4.

“You, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”—Psalm 83:18.

“This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”—John 17:3.

“God is only one.”—Galatians 3:20.

Why do most Christian denominations say that God is a Trinity?

But Jesus Christ is God and he is Jehovah

Janosky:
That is the claim of Trinitarians.

The disciples taught by Jesus Christ NEVER said that.

Acts 3:13, John 9:4 & John 7:16 = Exodus 3:14-16.

They saw themselves as servants of the true God.
Nothing else.

Here a re a few questions for you:
1. Who is the savoir? Jesus Christ or his Father.
2. Who is the beginning and the end, Jesus Christ or his Father?
3. Who is the God of Abraham, Jesus Christ or his Father?

Dtruthspeaker:
Certainly never had a sexual attraction to a fellow male or animal or street light and I know no man who does.

And I know it is only those devils who have been cursed by God by virtue of Romans 1:24/ 27, that express this madness.

So Romans 1:24/ 27 already tells us that it is a punishment from God upon devil's

Thank God that it is still Him Who will Judge it.

you think it's devils who have been cursed by God that are attracted to their fellow men. You are still a child.

Dtruthspeaker:
So you say it is okay to have sexual attraction to cars , street lights and to goats and rams.

Too bad you are not The Judge, We will hear and see from The Court on that day, if your opinion is upheld if ye shall be thrown into the fire.

Now you talk like a kid. So let me ask you have you ever had a sexual attraction? If yes, did it come naturally or did you need to do anything special before you had your attraction.
Having sexual attraction is the most natural thing. It's not even a choice. We don't choose who or what we get attracted to. So please grow up.
On the other hand, we choose what we do with our attraction. We choose to let it lead us to sin. But attraction on its own is a natural process. It comes from natural triggers that God put in us

Janosky:
That is the claim of Trinitarians.

The disciples taught by Jesus Christ NEVER said that.

Acts 3:13, John 9:4 & John 7:16 = Exodus 3:14-16.

They saw themselves as servants of the true God.
Nothing else.

The verses you keep qouting are not expressing your point. So Jesus Christ said that he did the things he saw his father do.
The bible both refers to the Father and Son as God. So why do you find it hard that both serve as the God of Abraham.
Again when you attempt to explain Exodus 3.14 with a one sided scholar point of view you never explain to the very end.
So let me break the verse into 2 to make it easy for you.
14 And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, So this is the part your was or am argument can be excused

Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.
But in this part, I Am is clearly a name. It serves here as a noun. And it pours water on your argument.

elated177:
And tctrills also claims to be a follower of the Scriptures of YHVH Almighty and doesn't believe that there are unnatural sexual relationships or attractions. Wow!

If you choose to quote me please do it right. I believe there is unnatural sexual relationship. Stop being a little liar.

[quote author=Janosky post=121468359]Greek ego eimi is different from Hebrew language Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh (screenshot evidence).
" I will BE who/what I will be" correct rendition.
"I AM", not Hebrew language, the evidence of biblehub, Trinitarian believers.

There is no ego eimi at Exodus 3:14.



The Tetragramatton YHWH is @ Exodus 3:15-16, NOT "I am" at Exodus 3:14.


Exodus 3:15 YHWH is my name from generation to generation", Oga check am nau

Your mentors of Trinity made the FALSE claim you parrot again.[/quote
Oga what if I also quote sholars to show you are wrong would that settle it?
But I don't need to even quote Hebrew scholars because the verse explains itself.

And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.

Did you not read the ending phrase? Say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.

I Am is clearly used as a name and noun in this sense hence your explanation can't be correct

Dtruthspeaker:
You have already agreed that there is uncleanness, therefore, there is a clean sexual attraction and there is an unclean one. hence, which one!

And the mere fact that you keep dodging it, has clearly settled it.

There is nothing like unclean sexual attraction. Being sexually attracted to someone is not a sin or unclean. It's a very healthy and natural thing.

Dtruthspeaker:
Hence my which sexual attraction? Is it the clean and proper one or the unclean and improper one?

And I addressed the unclean and improper one.

When you ask which sexual attraction it makes no sense. There is only one standard definition of sexual attraction. But if you have another definition please teach

[quote author=Janosky post=121467547]Peter the apostle taught by Jesus, what did Peter say about Jesus Christ @ Acts 3:13.

Exodus 3:14-16 = Acts 3:13.
You seem not to be getting it. No one said that the Father was not the God of Abraham and co but the bible makes us understand that Jesus Christ was all that too



Have you forgotten that Hebrew language does NOT recognize present tense?
I am is NOT Hebrew Exodus 3:14.
Hebrew Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh meaning " I will be what I will be"
Oga Tc,you love deceiving yourself [/b] Again you are wrong. I Am as used in Exodus is a noun. Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you. I Am is clearly used as a name.

Dtruthspeaker:
As I said 'all uncleanness and lust and things against nature"

We both agree that uncleanness is against God but that was not my question. My question was about sexual attraction. Or is it a sin to be sexually attracted to someone?

Janosky:
Exodus 3:14-16 ,Acts 3:13 & , did Jesus send Moses to the Israelites?
John 7:16, did Jesus send himself to the Israelites?
Exodus 3:14-16 ,Acts 3:13 & John 7:16, will you receive sense?

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Now let's read the verses you mentioned
Exodus 3:14-16

14 And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.

15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name forever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

16 Go, and gather the elders of Israel together, and say unto them, The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, appeared unto me, saying, I have surely visited you, and seen that which is done to you in Egypt:

13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.

Now don't the scriptures you quoted make it super clear to you that both Jesus Christ (I Am) and his father are the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob?

To the next verse, John 7:16

16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
We both agree that Jesus Christ (I Am) has a Father so what's your point here?

Not one of these verses shows or tells that Jesus Christ (Jehovah) is not God. The Bible, both the old and the new testament call him God.

Dtruthspeaker:
Which sexual attraction? Or rather sexual attraction to what?

Any way all uncleanness and lust and things against nature come from the evil inside you, which you love.

So you really think that the biology of sexual attraction is evil. Humm I see.

MaxInDHouse:
I only used the medium to call my brother in faith away from your showdown with your neighbour.
So continue your fun!

Loool. It's ok to have fun bro.

elated177:
El Elohe Yahshrael!

When are the homosexuality apologists going to get it?

Two people of the same sex, who are in same-sex relationship, may not be hurting anyone directly, they are, however, hurting the environment, and by that, hurting the earth. Any act that hurts the hurts also hurts both the perpetrator of such act and the others. Whatever hurts the earth, hurts its inhabitants.

Isaiah 24: 4 The earth dries up and withers,
    the world languishes and withers,
    the heavens languish with the earth.
5 The earth is defiled by its people;
    they have disobeyed the laws,
violated the statutes
    and broken the everlasting covenant.

So, it does not matter whether you believe the existence of the supernatural or not, the truth remains. The portion of Scripture given above was stated thousands of years ago. There are particular natural orders of things. The violation of any of them, always comes with consequences. The natural order of sexual relationship is between a man and a woman and scripturally sanctioned only between a husband and his wife.

When the earth suffers, the heavens also suffer. The plants, the animals - both on land and in the waters - all suffer the consequences of the abominable activities of humans.

Isaiah 24: See, YHVH is going to lay waste the earth
    and devastate it;
he will ruin its face
    and scatter its inhabitants—
2 it will be the same
    for priest as for people,
    for the master as for his servant,
    for the mistress as for her servant,
    for seller as for buyer,
    for borrower as for lender,
    for debtor as for creditor.
3 The earth will be completely laid waste
    and totally plundered.
YHVH has spoken this word.


At the appropriate time, the Creator of the heavens, the land, the seas and everything in them will annihilate the earth and its inhabitants.

So, you see, the abomination called homosexuality, is the chief polluter and defiler of the earth. It is one of the abominable acts that will lead to the destruction of the earth.

Abstain from the abominable and detestable act of homosexuality. It pollutes and defiles the earth.


El Elohe Yahshrael! Hallelu YAH!

Who is responsible for sexual attraction?