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MaxInDHouse:
Satan left his divine duty to talk to and deceived Eve {Genesis 3:1-5, 13} that is his offence according to God's word.
The angels Jude talked about what exactly was their offense according to the Bible? Jude 1:6; 1Peter 3:19-20; 2Peter 2:4

Jude did not talk about angels sleeping with women. Where did you manufacture that from
Again you have not explained why you choose to build your argument from two conflicting bible translations.
If we now depend on 2 conflicting bible to build Christian doctrines then Christianity is lost
One of the bibles talk about angels and the other talks about sons of God.

AuthenticKing:
Hmmm. I came back yesterday stressed out, opened nairaland and the replies were too many so I had to sleep to come back today to reply.

Ok then, I chose to do what I asked you to by going back to research again on the codes of Ur-Narmu and Hammurabi unbiased and then found out that these men actually gave credit to their gods but made the laws themselves and even administered the laws themselves. So my claim that they didn't give credit to their gods wasn't true and I apologise for that.
[url] https://www.worldhistory.org/Ur-Nammu/ [/url] Here is one of the links I got my info from, Wikipedia is another source. There were other books I read in the past but I can't remember them.

But then while thinking about this today, I came with two important points for you to think about:

Firstly, citing my initial reply to you when you wrote that Mohammed saw an angel and Jesus is the son of God, if we consider the codes of Ur-Narmu, Hammurabi, etc. The laws of the Bible, Qur'an, Torah, etc. We notice something very significant.
These religions have never agreed with themselves fully.
The disparity in the laws of these religions becomes a problem when you're claiming that religions are the foundation of our morality (not humans). We humans whether religious or not always never agree with ourselves and this causes our morality or laws to be subjective according to culture, time and place, these differences appear in our religions. Don't you still think that we humans are still the ones not only making these laws or creating morality and giving the credit to the gods or the spirits but also creating the religions themselves?

There have been different gods with different characteristics since history, and they do not agree with themselves. If we still look at the followers of each god, they also seem not to agree with themselves. Christianity, for example is divided into different sects and these sects have different opinions on what God wants. I know you're religious but can you just step back for a moment and try to deduce what is happening here. Don't you see that humans are simply making laws on what they believe to be right and wrong and then giving credit to God or gods?

Secondly, you cited a few tribes in Nigeria that base their morality from their religion and if I might presume, you would also cite our America got their morality from the 'Judeo-Christian' tradition and other nations/cultures you could cite. But then, looking at the way things have changed overtime: How many sane countries still kill twins? How many still do animal and human sacrifices? How many still stone non-virgins to death? How many still kill apostates? How many will forgive offenders/criminals based on the premise that a man who died 2000 years ago had acquitted for their crimes? How many would kill non-believers of a certain religion? How many still condone slavery, etc. I am asking of sane countries not countries who are still backward in thinking? If humans could outgrow these laws made by religions, what could give them the audacity to do that since religions are supposedly made by divine agents who have power over humans? Ain't you noticing something very significant here?

If I would coincide with you based on your argument that religions are the foundation of morality, then I wish to add this:

If religions influences the secular in making morality, then the secular actually refines morality influenced by religion to better suit the times
If religion made morality and laws, then man instructs religions on how to better uphold that morality

But nevertheless, I still maintain my stance that man made morality, religions, rituals and laws.

And I also maintain my stands

MaxInDHouse:
The Hebrew word rendered "sons of God" could also be applied as "angels" all these translators are correct, you only chose to blur your senses simply because you don't want to agree that those creatures that came to commit unnatural sexual relations with female humans are angels.

Jude confirmed that some angels left their respective position in heaven for what is not natural {Jude 1:6} which led to the destruction of all creatures on dry land during Noah's days! 2Peter 2:4

The evidence is overwhelming!

You are completely wrong about the Hebrew. Sons of God does not mean angel. Jude 1.6 says nothing about angels coming to earth to sleep with women.
2petrt2.4 also does not say so. No single verse in the bible says so.

MaxInDHouse:
All of them are correct!
Janosky has been telling you that the Hebrew text translated sons of God in that verse could also mean angels but you keep arguing blindly that's why i came in from another angle.


So the angels are God's children!

No, that all day totally different things. It's funny you expect one to use 2 different versions and put 2 opposite directions together to agree with you.
If you are honest with yourself the bible does not teach that angels are sons of God rather 2 different bibles have 2 totally different translations. Both cannot be true.

MaxInDHouse:
When the morning stars joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause? ~ NWT

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? ~ Holy Bible

while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy? NIV

when the morning stars sang together,
and all the sons of God shouted for joy? RSV

Stop deceiving yourself!

So different versions opposing themselves. Which version is correct and which is wrong because they are saying different things.
Which which we settle on?
When you use different versions clearly one is wrong. Which is the wrong version.

newcommer:
Fantastic job, OP!!! You effectively silenced the loquacious m.o.r.o.n

Of a truth, intelligence is not by speaking English.

Thanks, they need more neck pressing. Maybe they would have sense.

newcommer:
As usual, doing what you know best. Peddling lies and half-truths on behalf of your pay masters.
tctrills is waiting for you on the other thread, bwahahahaha

lol

Abdul05:
Who knows obi in the north ..a biafran for that matter

Good that's why we support Kwankwaso in the north.

MaxInDHouse:
Check other versions and see for yourself that the angels there means the sons of God!

I just did.
while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels shouted for joy
I am sure this was not what you meant to send

Abdul05:
With this...obi the idiot can never obtain 5% vote from the north likely 2%..



Definitely, obi is a disaster to Nigerians

Actually Kwankwaso is great news for Obi. The more votes Kwankwaso gets in the north, the better Obi's chances.
This is the best time Obi could have come out.
3 major Muslims sharing the very same voting poll. I pray Kwankwaso wins 60 % in the north.

MaxInDHouse:
All you need is a Bible study.
In the Bible book of Job 38:7 Moses's clear writing is enough to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the sons of God who were present during creation aren't humans!

Job 38.7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels shouted for joy?
Are you kidding yourself?

MaxInDHouse:
All you need is a Bible study.
In the Bible book of Job 38:7 Moses's clear writing is enough to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the sons of God who were present during creation aren't humans!

Do you are if I read Job 38.7 in the NIV, it states that angels are the sons of God?

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ no be JWs translated NIV where it clearly stated that the sons of God are angels!

Please whenever you find the verse that clearly states the sons of God are angels just post. You guys believe in tales by moonlight. Sometimes you should question your pastors when they come up with these stories.
Why are angels no longer coming to earth to Bleep women? Don't they desire women anymore? Again if angels are spirits as you claim, why do they have sexual urges for women? Do spirits have dicks and hormones? How come none of the angels were gay?
Even a child can tell, this is a fairy tale.

OsunOriginal:
You're a fool. Go there tomorrow with a whip.
Unfortunately, I can't see how much influence religion has made in your miserable life... The last I checked, it hasn't stopped you from trafficking drugs, cultism, yahoo-yahoo, 419, importing fake products, etc.

You guys continue to be bigots.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ no be JWs translated NIV where it clearly stated that the sons of God are angels!

In what verse? Please which verse in NIV states that angels are sons of God? You just made a claim, hope you can substantiate it.

MaxInDHouse:
Thanks for having a starting without finishing!

Angels are the real sons of God (intelligent spirit beings) before God created humans in the image of intelligent beings {Genesis 1:26} as a matter of fact only Adam and Jesus fully worth being called Sons of God for real {Luke 3:38; John 3:16} because they are all perfect creatures. As for all other humans we are not qualified to be called God's children as we have inherited sin through Adam's disobedience {Romans 5:12} only imperfect humans who are able to put on the New Personality that we perceive in Jesus {Ephesians 4:24} could become Sons of God for real! John 1:12

For your information that's why Jesus told us that all humans born by women no matter who the person is lesser than John the baptist {Matthew 11:11} because none of them is a real son of God like Adam who was created perfect before he decided to rebel against God. But all those that are able to put on the new personality will be qualified fully to be called God's children!

You continue to prove my point but not yours. Just show one scripture where angels are called sons of God. Human logic does not lead to eternal truths. And all this talk about Ephesians 4:24, John 1:12, and Matthew 11:11 are completely off-topic. Please get back to the topic.

I have given you a fair chance to show that angels are Sons of God but you just cant. Yet you expect me to take your word for it.

elated177:
You need to go through the thread and confirm what you have been on about here.

Ok bye

Addme:
You don't owe me answers but you should remember your warp analysis will be questioned by sane individuals.

Ire ooo.

APC's disrespect would be questioned

Addme:
Trying to evade my questions actually show one thing.

I think I will have to leave you with your opinion then.

I don't owe you answers. But just so you know, the last 8 years were hell for Nigeria

elated177:
What has your position on this thread been?

Please read

Addme:
You are not answering my questions?
And I didn't say you hate me. I meant the hate of APC or Tinubu and everything that goes on in Lagos.
Also how am I disrespectful?
I don't fight over politicians because I know they are all the same. I only detest making one as a saint.

Now can you answer my questions?

Who organized the rally?
Do these set of people work on Sundays or not?

Have you been living under a rock? You truly believe that any sane Nigerian should not hate APc?

tunapawizzy:
i am still trying to find the logic behind sacking Tuchel (who was 5 points away from league leaders at that time) only to appoint Potter..

Potter was ahead of him.

Addme:
And you have no points at all. Though I know this is what some of you resort to when you are confronted with better argument. I'm not surprised.

Any support group can hold rally for their candidates anytime they feel like.
This is a support group that works daily including Sundays.
This is not APC (as a Party) organized rally it's simply one of the support groups that counts Sundays as their working days.

The earlier you purge yourself of hate the better for you.

Why would I hate you? You are the disrespectful ones and I pointed you out. Just so you know no one hates you.

yyba:
is anyone forcing any christian to vote muslim /muslim ?

What are you talking about?

elated177:
Don't you realize that you are the one who is confused? Do you not know that messengers = angels?

Oga do you even understand what we are talking about? I agree, angels are messengers.

KnownUnknown:
I gave the answer 3 days ago but you kept insisting that “religion created” as if religion is a conscious agent and not something practiced by humans.

Does that not show you that the debate was going nowhere? If you choose to bring it up again, it should be because you have a new angle to discuss and I would be interested if you have something new to talk about.

Addme:
First tell me the organizers of this rally?

Second: Do the organizers work on Sundays or not?

You people always have problems with anything that goes on in Lagos.

You have zero points. Which other party holds rallies on Sunday

yyba:
christians are the real problems of nigeria

You mean Christians like Buhari and Tinubu

candidtalk:
You're really a kid politically. Two things. Buhari had not shown his true colours before 2019. His first term was largely acceptable .

Second, have you ever heard of the terms of stooping to conquer?

How will Tinubu ever gain ultimate power to make a permanent and transformationally lasting difference for me, you and every Nigerian, wherever they are from, unless he has the goodwill and support of the ruling Party behind him?

How many times did Buhari try before a nationally powerful coalition made him President?

Tinubu, whether you wish to see it or not, is the most powerful and authoritative Southern politicians Nigeria has today.

We can kid ourselves but the reality is that Nigerian politics is feudal. Buhari could be supervising our descent into Rwanda-style ethnic cleansing war and Northern Senators would still never move to impeach him for the greater good of 230 million Nigerians. That is how fcked, tribalistic and clannish Nigeria is.


Someone like Tinubu comes along once in a lifetime as Awolowo did only for Nigeria to miss out on "the greatest President that never was" according to Ojukwu.

It ain't a rocket science bruv. If Nigeria fails to elect Tinubu I am cool with that. The next President should simply grant what is shown below and Yorubas will be happy to leave the SE and North grappling to lead the impotent centre forever after regional governance is in place.

You talk like a fool calling me a kid politically. If you are so good at politics how come Nigeria is in a mess? You say Buhari did not show his color until 2019, are you crazy? Please mention any of Buhari's achievements in his first term.
It was people like you that voted 2 times for stupidity and you are prepared to do it again.
With all your political sense you still voted for the wrong man and wasted 8 years of your miserable life and yet you call me a kid politically

KnownUnknown:
Number one, it’s a straw man argument. number two, it is a nonsensical argument. Number three, it is lie. You have never heard a word out of the mouth of “religion” just like gods’ words never come out of their mouths.
Moral codes would be present in groups before religions were developed just like moral codes are present in groups without religion.

You can keep insisting that religion did something or the other while ignoring the fact that people create and practice religion, but that is just ridiculous.

People have always defined what is good and bad including the religions they create.

Now you are going around in circles. It's time to move on. We can't remain stuck with the same talking points. You should know that. You waited 3 days just to repeat the same talking points. wow.

elated177:
That sons of God weren't messengers of God. Provide scriptural proof.

You are confused. Don't you understand how this works? I did not even say that the Sons of God weren't messengers of God. All I said was simple. the Bible never called angels sons of God.

KnownUnknown:
People create “spirituality”. You are probably Christian so your “spirituality” was created by those who studied Plato’s “forms”. Interesting enough? Lol

Ok your opinion is respected.