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Kobojunkie:
Sure.

Let's continue in our next argument where you have to prove that every verse you qoute is the word of God.

[quote author=Kobojunkie post=114771904]Sure. [/quote
The moment you declared that parts of the bible are wrong, I knew you were digging an intellectual pit for yourself.

Kobojunkie:
Sure.

Now you believe the quran.lol?

Kobojunkie:
The Quran leads them to believe that of Him, and so they indeed believe that.

It's funny that you don't believe the Quran yet you believe the bible's account, the same book you believe has many faults. Does that make any sense to you?

Kobojunkie:
The Quran leads them to believe that and so they indeed believe that.

The Quran is indicated to be the word of God. Remember, you said you believe as long as it is indicated to be the word of God

Kobojunkie:
He says He is the same one they worship.

Yes in the Quran, Allah is the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob
The Quran is indicated to be the word of God

Kobojunkie:
I know they claim that but this is because they probably believe, maybe like you that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob suffers from cosmic DID.

That's not why they claim that, it's because the Quran says so

Kobojunkie:
Nope, they are not my thoughts or my ideas at all. Pretty much all yours!

But you believe many things in the bible are wrong right? The big question is, how do you decide what is true or false in the bible.

Kobojunkie:
I know Allah is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

How do you know, the Quran says he is.

Kobojunkie:
This isn't a discussion for me and you but instead one you need to have with the one you believe in.

lol

Kobojunkie:
The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Do you know that Muslims worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?
Just this last week, the celebrated Abraham sacrifices Isaac. So I ask again, what God are you talking about.

Kobojunkie:
These are your words, not mine at all!

your thoughts my words?

Kobojunkie:
It is OK if you want to believe that God is a cosmic DID case... that is your cup of tea, not mine.

I told you, our future discussions would be fun because you would first need to prove that any scripture you qoute is not wrong or false.

Kobojunkie:
It is OK if you want to believe that God is a cosmic DID case... that is your cup of tea, not mine.

lol. How do you know the God in the Quran is false?

Kobojunkie:
Why would I be referring to Allah's standard when Allah is not the God I refer to?

Which God do you refer to, is it the one spoken about in a book you call false?

Kobojunkie:
Sure they can, but I don't worship their deity though. Even a Babalawo can make similar claims of his experiences with ifa but that doesn't mean anything since we don't serve the same deity.

So you are basically saying that it's all chance. You have no way of deciding if the Quran is the word of God or not. This makes you unserious in discussing bible truths

Kobojunkie:
I understand that it is a title but regardless they are not the same entities, well, unless you think the God described in your Bible and much of Scripture is a cosmic case of dissociative identity disorder that is.

That's another topic, but then prove to me that they are different.
Remember the bible is wrong a lot of times so the God described in the bible may not be what you really think.

Kobojunkie:
The God that showed up to answer me when I called for answers. He led me to where I am today, remember?

The believers of the Quran can make this very same statement like you. It means nothing in our argument

Kobojunkie:
LOL.... you do understand that your scripts cannot violate God's standard or else they would be meaningless?

What is God's standard? Do you mean the one found in the Quran?

Kobojunkie:
By whom?

who indicated that the bible contains the word of God?

Kobojunkie:
And the name of Mohammed's deity is Allah, a different God from the one I worship. So?

Allah is Arabic. Even in translations of the bible in Arabic, God is Allah.

Kobojunkie:
I don't need to worry about such things

We are not talking about what worries you here. You said you believe anything indicated to be the word of God. So let me send you so scripts and indicate them to be the word of God.

Kobojunkie:
1. Recall what Jesus Christ said in Matthew 5 vs 15 -17? I don't have to worry since it is indicated as God's Word.

2. Indicated by whom?

The Quran is also indicated as the word of God. If your argument is that you believe anything indicated as the word of God then get ready. I could be indicating some text to be the word of God and I hope you remain consistent and believe them

Kobojunkie:
1. Recall what Jesus Christ said in Matthew 5 vs 15 -17? I don't have to worry since it is indicated as God's Word.

2. Indicated by whom?

You can't be sure if it was Jesus that said those words or someone else.

Kobojunkie:
I previously studied the Quran for a time in order to figure God out but I also couldn't make heads or tails of anything, just like the bible as well as other religious texts. It wasn't until I decided to, as I previously explained, ask God to show Himself to me and answer me, that He then led me to where I am today, and to also realize that the God of the Bible and Allah of the Quran arent the same entities at all. .

Just so you know, Mohammed said that every single word in the Quran came from the God. Not one word was his.

Kobojunkie:
I previously studied the Quran for a time in order to figure God out but I also couldn't make heads or tails of anything, just like the bible as well as other religious texts. It wasn't until I decided to, as I previously explained, ask God to show Himself to me and answer me, that He then led me to where I am today, and to also realize that the God of the Bible and Allah of the Quran arent the same entities at all. .

But billions of people make head or tail from the Quran. So do we now say that only text you approve of are the word of God?

Kobojunkie:
Recall I said God meant for us to live by every Word out of the Mouth of God?
See where it is written as the Word out of God's mouth in verse 1 above?
See where it is clearly indicated as Words from God's mouth?

You can't tell what was from the mouth of God.
Just because the writer claims it was from the mouth does not make it so. How to you know when a script is from the mouth of God?

[quote author=Kobojunkie post=114771387]Recall I said God meant for us to live by every Word out of the Mouth of God?
You are quoting the bible. What if that was false

See where it is written as the Word out of God's mouth in verse 1 above?
So if show you some script and tell it was out of God's mouth you would believe it.
See where it is clearly indicated as Words from God's mouth? : The Quran is clearly indicated as the word of God.

Kobojunkie:
Which verses are you referring to?

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a. On the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, Jesus Christ instructs His disciples to go prepare everything for the Passover meal - Matthew 26 vs 17 - 19
b. Jesus and His disciples have their Last Supper on the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread - Mark 14 vs 12 - 17
c. Jesus Christ instructed His disciples to go prepare the Passover meal for the group on the Day of Unleavened bread. - Luke 22 vs 7 - 13
d. It was almost time for the Jewish Passover Festival, that evening Jesus Christ came together for the mean with His followers - John 13 vs 1 - 3

Clearly, one of the accounts has to be wrong!

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The law of 2 or 3 witnesses applies only when God has not specified a Truth. In this case, We have God in Leviticus 23 vs 4 - 8 clearly explaining that Passover meals are to be eaten on Passover day, and we have Jesus Christ in Matthew 26 vs 1- 2 declaring that He would be arrested on Passover day. Obviously, you cannot overrule God's declaration by the accounts of witnesses. So, why do you hesitate?

Do you believe the Quran to be the word of God? Mohammed says it's God's word dictated to him by an angel.

Kobojunkie:
Which verses are you referring to?

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a. On the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, Jesus Christ instructs His disciples to go prepare everything for the Passover meal - Matthew 26 vs 17 - 19
b. Jesus and His disciples have their Last Supper on the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread - Mark 14 vs 12 - 17
c. Jesus Christ instructed His disciples to go prepare the Passover meal for the group on the Day of Unleavened bread. - Luke 22 vs 7 - 13
d. It was almost time for the Jewish Passover Festival, that evening Jesus Christ came together for the mean with His followers - John 13 vs 1 - 3

Clearly, one of the accounts has to be wrong!

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The law of 2 or 3 witnesses applies only when God has not specified a Truth. In this case, We have God in Leviticus 23 vs 4 - 8 clearly explaining that Passover meals are to be eaten on Passover day, and we have Jesus Christ in Matthew 26 vs 1- 2 declaring that He would be arrested on Passover day. Obviously, you cannot overrule God's declaration by the accounts of witnesses. So, why do you hesitate?

All the verses above.

Kobojunkie:
I don't follow! You are asking me what if God's Law is wrong on Passover - Exodus 12 and Leviticus 23 vs 4 - 8 - and Jesus Christ also is wrong about being arrested on Passover day?

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a. On the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, Jesus Christ instructs His disciples to go prepare everything for the Passover meal - Matthew 26 vs 17 - 19
b. Jesus and His disciples have their Last Supper on the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread - Mark 14 vs 12 - 17
c. Jesus Christ instructed His disciples to go prepare the Passover meal for the group on the Day of Unleavened bread. - Luke 22 vs 7 - 13
d. It was almost time for the Jewish Passover Festival, that evening Jesus Christ came together for the mean with His followers - John 13 vs 1 - 3

Clearly, one of the accounts has to be wrong!

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The law of 2 or 3 witnesses applies only when God has not specified a Truth. In this case, We have God in Leviticus 23 vs 4 - 8 clearly explaining that Passover meals are to be eaten on Passover day, and we have Jesus Christ in Matthew 26 vs 1- 2 declaring that He would be arrested on Passover day. Obviously, you cannot overrule God's declaration by the accounts of witnesses. So, why do you hesitate?

No, I am asking what if it wasn't God's law in the first place?

Kobojunkie:
Nowhere in all of scripture, including extrabiblical writings, is it ever suggested that your Bible is the word of God. That lie was fed to you by false teachers and false prophets.

Instead, what is written in Scripture is instead that Jesus Christ is the very Word out of God's own mouth which you are meant to live by. Do you know what it means to live by the Word out of God's Mouth? It means it should be the basis for Truth in your life - Axioms all other Truths should be founded upon in your life.

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a. On the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, Jesus Christ instructs His disciples to go prepare everything for the Passover meal - Matthew 26 vs 17 - 19
b. Jesus and His disciples have their Last Supper on the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread - Mark 14 vs 12 - 17
c. Jesus Christ instructed His disciples to go prepare the Passover meal for the group on the Day of Unleavened bread. - Luke 22 vs 7 - 13
d. It was almost time for the Jewish Passover Festival, that evening Jesus Christ came together for the mean with His followers - John 13 vs 1 - 3

Clearly, one of the accounts has to be wrong!

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The law of 2 or 3 witnesses applies only when God has not specified a Truth. In this case, We have God in Leviticus 23 vs 4 - 8 clearly explaining that Passover meals are to be eaten on Passover day, and we have Jesus Christ in Matthew 26 vs 1- 2 declaring that He would be arrested on Passover day. Obviously, you cannot overrule God's declaration by the accounts of witnesses. So, why do you hesitate?

So what if the verses you are qouting are not the word of God?