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Kobojunkie:
The questions were Yes OR No questions, not Yes and No.

You either believe what Jesus Christ said OR you don't. So which is it?

It seems you did not see my response hence, let me repost.
Here are some simple Yes or No questions for you.

▪︎ Did Jesus Christ declare that His Kingdom is not of this world - John 18 vs 36? undecided[/b]Yes He did. His Kingdom isn't of the world but he would reign on this earth so on the last day his would rule over the world and this earth shall be his kingdom. Remember the prayer, Thy Kingdom come?

▪︎ Did Jesus Christ declared Himself King over Heaven and over Hell and did He not reveal this by wielding power of judgment over both the sheep and even Satan himself - [b]Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 ? undecided No, Not in one verse did he declare himself king over hell. Please quote the particular verse not need to cover up with 15 verses.

▪︎ Did Jesus Christ not declare that you must be born-again in order to Enter into the Kingdom of God - John 3 vs 5 - 8 ? undecided Yes to enter the Kingdom, you must be born of water and the spirit.

▪︎ Did Jesus Christ not teach His disciples that there are 2 possible Entery gates - a Broad Gate which leads to destruction(Hell) and a Narrow Gate which leads to True life(Heaven) - urging them to do all necessary to enter in through the Narrow Gate - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14 & Luke 13 vs 22 - 30? undecided No, you are Wrong again. He taught the of 2 roads not 2 gates and the roads don't lead to the same place. One leads to destruction and the other leads to eternal life.
In Luke he spoke of only a Narrow door no two doors to his Kingdom. Below are his very words.
24 “Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. 25 Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, ‘Sir, open the door for us.

Those that don't enter through the narrow door would not be able to enter his kingdom because there isn't a second door. Hence the would be outside his kingdom.

That you are ready to heap lies on Jesus claiming he spoke about a Broad Gate shows that you can go any lenght to sell your doctrine,

▪︎ Do Satan and his minions not believe, this since not only do they made demands of God, trusting that God will keep His Word, but also as spirits they too have eternal life which we also gain from believing in Jesus Christ? undecided[/quote]I don't get what you are trying to say but then Just like satan and his minions, we all have spirits. Also, Satan does not have eternal life according to the bible. Eternal live is solely for the righteous.

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

Matthew 25. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Only the righteous are blessed with eternal life. The evil would face the second death.
Revelation 21:8 for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, the murderers, the fornicators, the sorcerers, the idolaters, and all liars, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."

Revelation 2:11

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death.’

I have clearly answered all your yes and no questions. If you have any more question, I am at your service. But if you don't have more questions, we can both end it here.
Thanks.

hammermcc:
Only in third world African countries do people bury the dead in their compound.even south Africa does not practice such . burying of the dead in their compound is bad for real estate.
I have mentioned on my other thread that Nigerian needs real estate land reform. we can not afford the current method if Nigeria will be developed.

In fact , most Nigerians do not pay property tax . and yet you expect roads and street lights and public amenities to be fixed? there needs to be compulsory property tax which will deter people from thinking the land belongs to them forever and therefore burying dead on the land.
people should pay heavy property tax if they want to own a home. if you can't afford property tax then rent an apartment.

What's wrong with you guys, you want to take away people's rights to increase land value. Should people not be allowed to do whatsoever with there property?
You think property tax would save the Nigerian economy?

Kobojunkie:
The questions were Yes OR No questions, not Yes and No.

You either believe what Jesus Christ said OR you don't. So which is it?

I had yes or no answers to all your questions na. Is there anyone you want more clarification?

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid you are mistaken. I narrowed it down here because of your constant accusations that I was adding to scripture when you were able to show any evidence of this.

There are no "many sides" to God's Truth or else it wouldn't qualify at all as Truth and simply be nothing but a plot.

The questions I asked are pretty straight forward and directly connected to the scriptures referenced. So you shouldn't have any problems responding.

Lets not argue about this, I already answered your yes and no questions. Read my answers. I am here to answer more of your questions

Kobojunkie:
What exactly is circular about stating that revealed to us in Scripture?

Here are some simple Yes or No questions for you.

▪︎ Did Jesus Christ declare that His Kingdom is not of this world - John 18 vs 36?

▪︎ Did Jesus Christ declared Himself King over Heaven and over Hell and did He not reveal this by wielding power of judgment over both the sheep and even Satan himself - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 ?

▪︎ Did Jesus Christ not declare that you must be born-again in order to Enter into the Kingdom of God - John 3 vs 5 - 8 ?

▪︎ Did Jesus Christ not teach His disciples that there are 2 possible Entery gates - a Broad Gate which leads to destruction(Hell) and a Narrow Gate which leads to True life(Heaven) - urging them to do all necessary to enter in through the Narrow Gate - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14 & Luke 13 vs 22 - 30?

▪︎ Do Satan and his minions not believe, this since not only do they made demands of God, trusting that God will keep His Word, but also as spirits they too have eternal life which we also gain from believing in Jesus Christ?

I have provided answers to all your questions but then, I have learnt that anytime someone wants to narrow an argument to just yes or no, Its because he wants to cut out the other persons talking points and direct the conversation to suit his side. There are many sides to a story not just yes and no yet I answered you questions with yes and no because I have all the facts.

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Here are some simple Yes or No questions for you.

▪︎ Did Jesus Christ declare that His Kingdom is not of this world - [b]John 18 vs 36? [/b]Yes He did. His Kingdom isn't of the world but he would reign on this earth so on the last day his would rule over the world and this earth shall be his kingdom. Remember the prayer, Thy Kingdom come?

▪︎ Did Jesus Christ declared Himself King over Heaven and over Hell and did He not reveal this by wielding power of judgment over both the sheep and even Satan himself - [b]Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 ? [/b] No, Not in one verse did he declare himself king over hell. Please quote the particular verse not need to cover up with 15 verses.

▪︎ Did Jesus Christ not declare that you must be born-again in order to Enter into the Kingdom of God - [b]John 3 vs 5 - 8 ? [/b] Yes to enter the Kingdom, you must be born of water and the spirit.

▪︎ Did Jesus Christ not teach His disciples that there are 2 possible Entery gates - a Broad Gate which leads to destruction(Hell) and a Narrow Gate which leads to True life(Heaven) - urging them to do all necessary to enter in through the Narrow Gate - [b]Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14 & Luke 13 vs 22 - 30? [/b] No, you are Wrong again. He taught the of 2 roads not 2 gates and the roads don't lead to the same place. One leads to destruction and the other leads to eternal life.
In Luke he spoke of only a Narrow door no two doors to his Kingdom. Below are his very words.
24 “Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. 25 Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, ‘Sir, open the door for us.

Those that don't enter through the narrow door would not be able to enter his kingdom because there isn't a second door. Hence the would be outside his kingdom.

That you are ready to heap lies on Jesus claiming he spoke about a Broad Gate shows that you can go any lenght to sell your doctrine,

▪︎ Do Satan and his minions not believe, this since not only do they made demands of God, trusting that God will keep His Word, but also as spirits they too have eternal life which we also gain from believing in Jesus Christ? [/quote] I don't get what you are trying to say but then Just like satan and his minions, we all have spirits. Also, Satan does not have eternal life according to the bible. Eternal live is solely for the righteous.

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

Matthew 25. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Only the righteous are blessed with eternal life. The evil would face the second death.
Revelation 21:8 for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, the murderers, the fornicators, the sorcerers, the idolaters, and all liars, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."

Revelation 2:11

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death.’

I have clearly answered all your yes and no questions. If you have any more question, I am at your service. But if you don't have more questions, we can both end it here.
Thanks.

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janedonez:
Thought twas a joke.
Can we still find men with dignity?

What does dignity have to do with marrying a second wife

Kobojunkie:
Your statement,"the righteous were welcome to the Kingdom of God and the evil were told to depart" is not even remotely factual or biblical now, is it? This since it is written in scripture instead that the goats will be 'imprisoned' in a place of eternal damnation, also not of this temporal world, ruled over by Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ Himself said He is King and ruler over Hell - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 affirms as Heaven and Hell are both ruled over by Him, the very Kingdom of God which is not of this world.

Recall please, Jesus Christ declared boldly before Pontius Pilate that indeed He is a King but His Kingdom is not of this world. And that Kingdom of which He is King of, He explained is of the domains of Heaven and of Hell. The very same domains the two gates - the Narrow Gate and the Broad Gates - lead to for all those who are born-again and gain access to the Kingdom of God by that.

P.S. Even Satan , and his demons, believe and have eternal life which they spend in eternal damnation with. Obviously, the goats also believe and so also have eternal life which is to be spent in Hell along with other believers who refuse to obey the King.

We both see what you are doing. Lets not continue to go round in circles.

2. Hell is for the evil, but scripture.tells us it is ruled over by Jesus Christ - Jesus is King over Heaven and also King over Hell, according to [b]Matthew 25 vs 31 & 41- , so what exactly is your point?
[/b]The bible never called Jesus Christ the king of Hell. The bible never said hell was his kingdom. The bible clear stated that the righteous were welcome to the kingdom and the evil where told to depart. In fact hell was never mentioned and no verse called him the king of hell, You are the one that gave him the title

BriskhoffBox:
According to your doctrine, few will make it to heaven na, there will be much more souls in hell. If it saves a billion then hundreds of trillion have been doomed

Not my doctrine. I never counted to know the exact number.

Kobojunkie:
I see that you don't even bother to read the book at all..

We all were taught English comprehension lessons in primary school so I don't understand why you refuse to comprehend what is being told you in the above passage.

You are reading and pretending not to understand. No problem, Let me break it down for you verse by verse
1 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Note; His sheep not his goat.
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you [/b]from the foundation of the world:
Note; The kingdom is prepared for the Sheep not the Goat.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, [b]Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Note; They are to depart not part of his kingdom.

This should summarize it for you.
Never did it mention that the goats were his or hell is a part of his kingdom. Clearly it mentioned that the sheep were his and that would be in his kingdom. Now who has comprehension problems.

. What particular scripture did I misquote in my previous comment to you?.
You claim the bible says hell is his kingdom
2. Hell is for the evil, but scripture.tells us it is ruled over by Jesus Christ - Jesus is King over Heaven and also King over Hell, according to Matthew 25 vs 31 & 41- , so what exactly is your point? The bible never mentioned Jesus is the king of hell.

3. You seem to be having a hard time comprehending what is written there for you in clear text in [b]Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. Why not finish that first?[/b]The bible never said Jesus is the king of hell but if you feel that is what was written, be bold and quote the verse word for word.
The bible never even said Christ rules over hell.

Kobojunkie:
Even so the same Kingdom ruled over by Jesus Christ is, as we learn in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 includes Heaven and Hell... and all those who will end up in both of them.

You love miss quoting the scriptures. His kingdom isn't hell. Hell is for the evil and his kingdom is for the righteous as stated in ]Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. If you are having issues with this simple verses then I wonder why you should be doing this.
Please could you produce any verse in ]Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 where Jesus called hell his Kingdom? If you cant then where did you get such doctrine from?

BriskhoffBox:
What's the message? And maybe it has destroyed millions of lives as well

Or saved a billion souls

Contract to popular doctrine, it is not Satan that rules over Hell, but Jesus Christ and this we know because He is ruler over what is the Kingdom of God.. [/quote]He rules over the Kingdom of God, he rules over the entire universe, He rules over death and hell. He rules all the nations (Psalms 22.28). But hell isn't the kingdom of God just as the nations are not the kingdom of God. You need to understand that just because his power extends to the entire universe does not make hell or even this world to be part of his kingdom. His Kingdom is holy and only for the righteous. I have sent you a number of verses that teach only the righteous would enter his Kingdom. Only those born of water and the spirit would enter his Kingdom. The evil doers would not enter his kingdom.
Matthew 25:34
“Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

Kobojunkie:
1. Again, Jesus Christ told you that you enter into the Kingdom of God. He mentioned to gates and urged you to engr in through the Narrow Gate that leads to true life, rather then entering through the Broad Gate which leads to destruction.

The same Jesus Christ you are told who went to prepare a place for His own in what is His Father's House also announced a place of eternal damnation prepared for the devil and his angel's(goats included). This the same Jesus Christ who we learn is Judge and ruler over those to inherit Heaven as well as those to be imprisoned in Hell. - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46

2. Jesus Christ revealed in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 that the Kingdom of God which He is ruler over includes even Hell itself.

Contract to popular doctrine, it is not Satan that rules over Hell, but Jesus Christ and this we know because He is ruler over what is the Kingdom of God..

Ephesians 5:5
For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.


Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 6:10
Nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Matthew 25:34
Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ [b]will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.[/b] On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

Read these verses to learn who would be in the \kingdom of God. Only the righteous would be in his kingdom. You can doubt the scripture but that is your own problem.

All these verses teach you that hell is not God's kingdom. His kingdom is holy. I dare you to quote any verse word for word that says hell is his kingdom.

Kobojunkie:
Again...in Matthew 5, Jesus Christ said the righteous will inherit Heaven. There the same Jesus Christ reveals that the righteous will inherit Heaven and the unrighteous, the goats, will be punished in Hell.

Both Heaven and Hell are ruled over by Jesus Christ.

Yes Christ rules over the entire universe yet hell is not the kingdom of God. The bible makes it very clear that the kingdom of God is for the righteous.
Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God” (I Cor. 6:9-10).
Do not be deceived.
The kingdom is for the holy.

. Again, Jesus Christ told you that you enter into the Kingdom of God. He mentioned to gates and urged you to engr in through the Narrow Gate that leads to true life, rather then entering through the Broad Gate which leads to destruction. He never mentioned 2 GATES LEAD TO THE KINGDOM WHAT VERSE ARE YOU READING. He mentioned 2 ways, one leads to life and the other to destruction. Please read it again.

The same Jesus Christ you are told who went to prepare a place for His own in what is His Father's House also announced a place of eternal damnation prepared for the devil and his angel's(goats included). This the same Jesus Christ who we learn is Judge and ruler over those to inherit Heaven as well as those to be imprisoned in Hell. - the kingdom is prepared for the sheep hell is for the sinners and its not the kingdom.
[b]
2. Jesus Christ revealed in [b]Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 that the Kingdom of God which He is ruler over includes even Hell itself.[/b] You don't need to lie on Christ. Quote him word for word if you are sure about what you are saying.

[b]Contract to popular doctrine, it is not Satan that rules over Hell, but Jesus Christ and this we know because He is ruler over what is the Kingdom of God.. I don't care who rules over hell. [/b]The argument is simple hell isn't the kingdom of God. You need to be born of water and the spirit to enter the kingdom, you need righteousness and obedience to be part of the kingdom.

uthlaw:
I thought someone dies for all sins, why death is punishment again?

Can you rephrase the question please. I don't understand what you are asking

Ken4Christ:
There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.” (John 3:1-7)

This was the conversation Jesus had with Nicodemus when he visited Jesus by night. He complemented Jesus for the great work but Jesus in response pointed him to what matters most – He must be born again. Nicodemus could not grasp what he said and asked, how can a man be born again? Will he go back into his mother’s womb and be born a second time?

Jesus answered him that he was not talking about physical birth. He was referring to spiritual birth. “That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”

He had told him that he must be born of the water and of the spirit. A lot of people have used this to mean water baptism. Jesus was not talking about water baptism here.
Whenever one is not clear about any doctrine, the safest approach is to examine other verses that talks about the same subject. Let’s look at a few other scripture that addresses the same subject;

“Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.” (1 Peter 1:23)

Peter said here that one of the agencies that make a man to be born again is the word of God. In Ephesians 5:26, Paul likens the word to water that cleanses.

“That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word.”

Looking at the statement of Jesus, we can paraphrase it thus; ‘Except a man is born of the word of God and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God’.

To be continued

If being born of water does not mean baptism then according to you, what does it mean.

Kobojunkie:
jn Matthew 5, Jesus Christ said the righteous will inherit Heaven. There the same Jesus Christ reveals that the righteous will inherit Heaven and the unrighteous, the goats, will be punished in Hell.
Both Heaven and Hell are ruled over by Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ has power even over the grave and death does that mean that the grave is part of the kingdom of heaven? To claim that hell is an extension of his kingdom is false doctrine. Remember, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. But you don't need water and the spirit to go to hell.
Again to quote the scripture properly, it says the broad way leads to destruction. The kingdom of God is righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit not destruction. Do you understand?

Kobojunkie:
It doesn't make sense to me.

ok

Kobojunkie:
jn Matthew 5, Jesus Christ said the righteous will inherit Heaven. There the same Jesus Christ reveals that the righteous will inherit Heaven and the unrighteous, the goats, will be punished in Hell.
Both Heaven and Hell are ruled over by Jesus Christ.

God has domination over the entire universe but clearly, hell isn't the kingdom of God like you claimed.

Kobojunkie:
Your question does not make sense..

But it does

Kobojunkie:
What word of God have I rejected so far?

God says his kingdom is for the righteous not the Goats its for the righteous

Kobojunkie:
The goats are meant for punishment not inheritance of course.

So you know they do not inherit the kingdom of God so why did you say that the broad way would lead them to the kingdom?

Kobojunkie:
These diversions don't add or change any of what Jesus Christ said. So no need for them.

You keep rejecting the word of God for your opinion

Nowhere does Jesus Christ say any of what you claim of the goats nor does He tell you that Hell is not a part of the Kingdom of God, a Kingdom ruled over by Him.
He made it clear in that his kingdom is for the righteous and the obedient.

Jesus Christ more than proves Himself ruler over what is the Heaven and Hell by His Judgement- a Kingdom ruled over by Him in all ramifications. [/quote] He never claimed to rule of hell. Not in the bible

Kobojunkie:
If you paid close attention to what is written in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46, you may begin to see in new light what Paul is saying there.

Those who will inherit(reward) are those who are ushered into Heaven whereas those ushered into Hell recieve punishment instead. So Paul's opinion here is not against that which Jesus Christ said on this..

Paul and Jesus were teaching the same thing. the goats would not be allowed into the kingdom. The kingdom is for the sheep. Hell is not the kingdom of God.
Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Paul and Jesus are teaching the very same thing

Kobojunkie:
None of the verses also directly states that the Narrow Gate lead to the Kingdom of God..

Instead what they make clear, what I keep repeating over and over here is that one must be born again to Enter into the Kingdom of God. And according to Jesus Christ, there are two gates to enter through- a broad gate which leads to destruction and a second gate which leads to life - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14 & Luke 13 vs 22 - 30 & John 3 vs 1 - 8.

Romans 14:17

for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
The kingdom is only for the righteous

Kobojunkie:
None of the verses also directly states that the Narrow Gate lead to the Kingdom of God..

Instead what they make clear, what I keep repeating over and over here is that one must be born again to Enter into the Kingdom of God. And according to Jesus Christ, there are two gates to enter through- a broad gate which leads to destruction and a second gate which leads to life - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14 & Luke 13 vs 22 - 30 & John 3 vs 1 - 8.

Matthew 25:34

“Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

The sheep inherit the kingdom not the goat.