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ive noticed Muslims will tolerate almost everything except from you directly or indirectly playing with their faith. although the Muslims were wrong for going violent, there's nothing that can justify what that guy did.
The Guy did not break any law. There is no law in Sweden against tearing books. Sweden isn't Saudi Arabia.

AntiChristian:
Actually it's needed.

God killed Er and Onan in Genesis for doing something wicked and coitus interruptus respectively.

Their father committed adultery with his daughter in law producing twins.

God did not kill him.

Just like Lot.

Like I said the bible does not record every sin God has ever punished

Maynman:
It’s a fact.

Just because you believe it does not stop it from being false. And posting any thing you see on google does not mean its not garbage

cornelboy:
John 3:16
[16]“For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

John 17:3
[3]And this is the way to have eternal life—to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.

Christ sacrifice can't work for them when they are dead.

So he came to save give or take half the world and the rest of God's children are beyond his saving? You really believe that God could not save half of his children?

cornelboy:
What do you mean?
John 3:16

But you seem to be saying that his sacrifice cant save those that lived before him. Meaning he did not die for the whole world.

kuonbe:
Just Friday and Saturday I lost 100plus all my savings to bettings,
Am bleeding and looking at my 2yers old plus boy now if not for him I know what to do now.
Av read and read many talking about betting is not good and I know. But av fall victim in just two days I lost all. Money am saving for house rent all gone. If I cant make it. Am leaving this miserable life all gone. 32 years am nothing wat am I waiting for

You are only 32 years and you are complaining as if you have worked for 50 years. You are not the first person to make a mistake or to loss everything. You need to work double. sell your phone, sell all you have, do all you can to make back the money. When you look at your boy feel extra motivation. And never Gamble again.

AntiChristian:
And that was way after the biblical incest of Lot's daughters in Genesis.

God banned and kill for sodomy in Genesis. He left incest unpunished till Leveticus right?

Well God punishes all sinners. The bible was not make to keep record of every single sin God has ever punished. That's not its purpose.

cornelboy:
No

So you don't believe Christ died for the sins of the whole world?

Steep:
Abraham lived before the coming of christ, same with Abel, Noah etc yet they were saved. How? Through faith in the unseen God.
It is the father that draws people to christ, irrespective of satus and time.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

All those whom the Father draws to christ believes on Jesus and are saved just like Abraham who didn't know chtist in the flesh yet He believe the gospel; God himself preached to Abraham the gospel.

I love your answer. This means even those before Christ would be saved if the believed in him?

Ive addressed all your inquisition and even kindly warned you not to be overthinking and complicating things, because if you do, you'll find yourself becoming entangled up in unwarranted and groundless theological questions

In Christianity, there is nothing like over thinking. God did not place a limit on our thought process.

I want to believe that you are honest, sincere and truthful enough not to be twisting and distorting what I wrote.

I never twisted what you wrote. But your position is not clear. You don't seem to know if those that lived prior to Christ needed him for their salvation.

Let me tell you something, you find yourself shipwreck in the dark sea, then a rescue ship passes by. Is the ship going to save or not save everything thrown overboard. Of course, yes, it would save every one, but then it doesnt mean, where or who applicable will not face disciplinary hearing to find out who is responsible for causing the ship to sink. Do you get the difference now?

Honestly I don't understand. You seem to be complicating it more.

What part of not everyone is going to be judge based on their consciences, dont you understand?

I get that exactly. You seem to be saying that some would be judged by their conscience and others would have to accept Jesus. Hence my question, If some can be saved only by their conscience then why not everyone be saved by conscience and spare Christ from suffering?

Yes, you've misquoted the bible verse.

I am open to correction

I have nothing more to type because you simply are doing that strange activity of dog chasing tail here

No I am just making you accountable. Others are reading this so you should at least try to have a clear point. I asked basic questions. Would all men be saved through Christ's sacrifice? You said some would be saved through conscience. Then I asked if some could be saved by conscience why did Christ have to come? Why don't we all get saved through conscience and save Christ the suffering? You don't seem to have an answer but then you warm me of over thinking as if there is a sin called over thinking.

Anyway thanks for your effort.

NNTR:
God died so to give you an opportunity to become a better person and the world a better place.

God is not required to prove points to anyone or anybody



It took 4000 years from the moment of the fall from grace to grass in Eden, for Jesus Christ, who is God Incarnate, thats meaning, God in human flesh body, to not only complete the process, but go the full length of the whole shebang, which is namely includes Atonement, Salvation, Redemption and Reconciliation with God

There are no 2 standards of salvation. Salvation is one, it however can be retrospectively valid and be backdated for pre-4000 years ago earth inhabitants.

Salvation comes from God. The name Jesus, means God Saves and the title, Christ, means, the Anointed One, essentially the One put aside for the purpose of achieving Atonement, Salvation, Redemption and Reconciliation with God

The Atonement, Salvation, Redemption and Reconciliation with God done through Jesus Christ, is for everyone. Some getting judged by the conscience, does not equate to being saved by the conscience.

Dont be overthinking and complicating, because if you do, you'll find yourself becoming entangled up in unwarranted and groundless theological questions

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

These are very important questions and I am not sure you are addressing them. The bible states that salvation comes only and through Jesus Christ but you are teaching that some wouldn't need Christ to be saved.
My question remains, if a good conscience is enough to save, why did Christ have to come? We all could as well be saved by Good conscience.
But on the other hand, Every human being form Adam to the last man on earth needs to accept Jesus to the saved. Remember, except a man is born again, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. It never said some men would enter with a good conscience. Or am I miss quoting the bible?

ThisisBuhari:
Next time you fall into his trap, just tell him you are Gunner too, he will waive your crime.

Does he do this with his civil service salary or is there another source of income?

Olamila:
Hello nairaland I'm so afraid right now because of what is happening to my vital part (pnis).

Since last week I have being having discomfort in my pnis after sxx with my girlfriend. So I didn't know what is causing it, I tot it was due to rough sxx drive that my pnis was paining me but everything changed when I discovered something was dropping out of my pipe so I went to a secret place to take a deep look and i discovered it's doesn't look like what I have seen before in my life.

So I began to research online and saw it could be gonorrhoea, although I haven't done any test to be factual but with the description of the symptoms I can be sure I'm correct in my assertion.

Now I have checked myself for the last 3 months (sex record) no sex with anyone else or even throughout the moment I met her. I have tried to be careful with my sex life maintaining only her as a sex partner.

She is in her early 20s and I know that girls at this age have high sex drive but what kept me confused is that she always says that I'm the only one that she normally sxx with ever since we met. She only said her ex tried little but her major sxx life is with me ever since we met.

Now I don't know what to do with her or believe because this issue of infection is very hard for me to bear. I don't like hearing it that's even why I prefer to masturbate than intercourse because to be honest condoms things isn't really my thing. She claims she loves me and I'm seeing it at least she's trying compared to others I have met before but the issue now is that I can't just imagine myself keep treating infection or I don't no what she's doing at my back whether the infection is natural or she caught it with someone. I'm confused I met her since last year. Please I need advice help a brother I'm one of you guys.

This image is about second handed phone I warned her not to buy but she bought it now I just discovered, an the phone had started giving her issues just within a day.

You seem to be very young and inexperienced. First you have a medical obligation to inform your sex partner so she can get treated. You are also supposed to go for other std tests.

Breaking up with her because she gave you an infection is not the best. Do you know that that infection could have incubated in her body for more than a year without her knowing? She might not be promiscuous and she could have never cheated on you.

OLAADEGBU:
What fruit?

Many tend to forget that there was war in heaven among the sons of God. Did God not love all his children? Yet there was a war. The bible calls the Lord, Mighty man in battle. Our hearts can be full of love yet we can go to war

AntiChristian:
Where did God say it was wrong like sodomy?

Abeg! No excuses!

Bible prohibits relationships with any close blood relative (Leviticus 18:6)

Maynman:
It’s a mythology book copied from Mesopotamia.

You are entitled to your opinion sir.

NNTR:
So that all righteousness be fulfilled.
The other is process, which is the series of actions and steps needed to be taken in order that a particular end(s) is achieved.

Not everyone qualifies to be judged or saved by their conscience

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

You mean that there was no real need for Jesus to die for our sins, he only died to prove a point? If salvation can come to some without Christ, are there now 2 standards of salvation? Christ said, no one can come to the Father but by me. Was he lying, as you seem to be saying that many would be saved by conscience and not through Christ?

AntiChristian:
Where did God say it was wrong like sodomy?

Abeg! No excuses!

The bible is not God's diary. The purpose is not to state everything God thinks. Its a book that records history, both the God and the bad. every event there must not have God's footnote. God condemned the act in the bible.

NNTR:
Romans 2 :12, 14-16
'For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without [regard to] the Law,
and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged and condemned by the Law.
14When Gentiles, who do not have the Law [since it was given only to Jews],
do instinctively the things the Law requires [guided only by their conscience],
they are a law to themselves, though they do not have the Law.
15They show that the essential requirements of the Law are written in their hearts; and their conscience
[their sense of right and wrong, their moral choices] bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or perhaps defending them
16on that day when, as my gospel proclaims, God will judge the secrets [all the hidden thoughts and concealed sins] of men through Christ Jesus.'

For those who lived before the coming of Christ, their fate is that, they will judged according to their conscience



I agree to all this immediate above and so thereby second and liked the comment

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Interesting but that leads to another question. If we could be saved by our conscience, then why do we need Christ?

Dtruthspeaker:
He is not confused, he knows what he wants and his options do not give him those things.

Its not always as easy as you think. Look at Paul, do you think he did not know about Jesus Christ? Do you think he had not heard any preaching? But when the Lord spoke to him, he believed. God has a timetable for us all.

Dtruthspeaker:
You can not validly say so for the anyone for you can never know when and where God spoke with them exactly as you where not there when He spoke to Abraham or Cornelius.

And this issue is very unimportant for in truth, you do not care if your neighbours next doors have eaten or not, not to talk of those in eon years ago.

So, it is all man for himself but it is God Who reaches out to anyone who He chooses to.

It is really none of our business.

Are you saying that it is wrong to ask what would happen to those who never heard the word of God before they died? You mean as children of God, its not our business to know the fate of our brothers and sisters who never had a chance to read the bible?

Maynman:
Bible is just a collection of book.
Books were purposely put together to maintain an agenda.
If you read about Jesus childhood stories you’ll know who he really is.

And your point is?

Abbey117:
I have been privileged to experience both muslim faith and christian faith but I won't lie I find it challenging to submit to any of them.

As a muslim I observed my five times prayers but later stopped due to the fact that I strongly objected to some rules attached to it like don't eat from a non Muslim mostly female you're not married to, dating is wrong, don't celebrate some festivals, don't do this and don't do that...

I later joined the christian faith but I pretty much find it hard to proclaim Jesus as my Lord and savior because I strongly believe that God is One and shouldn't be compared to human.

Being neutral makes me feel I'm not committed and irresponsible.

Pls how do I get through this. I'll strongly appreciate your opinion.
Thanks

Its ok to be confused and not to settle. As long as you continue to search for God and hunger for the truth, you would be fine. You are better than most worshippers who accept without questions. Refuse to settle until you hear the voice of God in your heart telling you where to go.
because of this your thread, many would begin to advertise their religion to you. Listen to them but remember, you don't need them to decide what is true. Things of God can only be revealed by God.

AntiChristian:
No excuse will you accept in those cases as the settings of those happenings is enough to explain them.

In Numbers 31, your God commanded Moses and did most of what you wrote up there.

In numbers 31:40, your Lord got a share of the virgins of war booty.

Maybe those are the wives of God!

We should agree the biblical God was violent, killed infants, animals, old women but spared virgins.

How many virgins was it? 32000!

And your Bible supports incest as Lot and his daughters were blessed in incest but sodomites killed.

Note: We don't need excuses! Just agreement!

You need to take it easy. What the daughters of Lot did was wrong but it doesn't mean that the bible should not report it.

Dtruthspeaker:
Did they not hear The Word before they died? Especially those post-resurrection.

We are talking about those that died before Christ and even so many in our world today die every day without being exposed to Christian teachings.

YinkaOlusesi16:
It`s not a thing we can know, even Jesus did not know when he`s coming back.

Don't confuse yourselves with this rapture story. Jesus is coming back to earth to dwell not to take you to heaven. Your Idea of the rapture is not biblical.

Aonkuuse:
Don't be dumb my friend, read the ops question again and read my answer

The way you boys insult is becoming alarming. If you don't have answers to a question, you don't need to be rude. Its ok to say I don't know.

mujahid777:
Criticism is different from hate speeches

What is hate speech. I believe in free speech.

Aonkuuse:
Of course

1 Peter 3:18-20;

For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, 19 in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, 20 because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.

It says that Christ was put to death and made alive in the spirit, indicating that he was still spiritually active.

It says that he went in the spirit to proclaim to spirits “in prison.” We would hardly consider Heaven and the presence of God to be a prison, so this can only be a reference to Hell.

That this “prison” is Hell has further support from the fact it says that the spirits are those who were disobedient during the days of Noah. Such was their disobedience that it tested God’s patience!

So you mean that even those who are dead would have a chance to hear the word of God? Again, you mean a soul can be saved from hell and hell isn't permanent?

Amos1423:
Confused set of people! Even with the level we portray religion, Nigerians are still the most evil being to walk the face of the earth. All this nairaland zombie and tribalism, Abeg which church dem dey go I want check something.

You are the one insulting everyone here, how are you better than the evil, zombie tribalist you are talking about?

What are you studying?

lexy20I4:
All the years you people intruded the islam section dropping unpleasant words no one held you guys responsible,now someone is looking at the Bible and criticizing it you dey here dey complain,at least you don feel how e dey be to talk about the Bible.

The truth is that the Bible has too many mistake and makes almost no sense,we have to talk about them.
I can recount the times I've seen most of you criticize the Muslim faith by twisting Muhammad and his life ordeal,now the thing is this you have to provide a counter argument and explanation instead of complaining.

I don't think you did wrong in asking about the bible teaching but lets never forget that Christianity is actually the most tolerant religion. Right now the nation of Sweden is on fire because someone burnt a copy of the quran that he bought with his own money. As you can see, here on Nairaland, anyone can contribute to the Christian discussion. You don't need to be a Christian to discuss or disagree with us. You are welcome to ask more questions