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Kobojunkie:
None of the verses also directly states that the Narrow Gate lead to the Kingdom of God..

Instead what they make clear, what I keep repeating over and over here is that one must be born again to Enter into the Kingdom of God. And according to Jesus Christ, there are two gates to enter through- a broad gate which leads to destruction and a second gate which leads to life - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14 & Luke 13 vs 22 - 30 & John 3 vs 1 - 8.

Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Matthew 7:21
God's kingdom is not for the sinners

Kobojunkie:
None of the verses also directly states that the Narrow Gate lead to the Kingdom of God..

Instead what they make clear, what I keep repeating over and over here is that one must be born again to Enter into the Kingdom of God. And according to Jesus Christ, there are two gates to enter through- a broad gate which leads to destruction and a second gate which leads to life - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14 & Luke 13 vs 22 - 30 & John 3 vs 1 - 8.

Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.”
This is how to enter the kingdom not through the broad way

Kobojunkie:
None of the verses also directly states that the Narrow Gate lead to the Kingdom of God.. [/b]Ok so because none of the verses state that the narrow gate leads to the kingdom of God, You now assumed that the broad must lead to Gods kingdom. That makes so much sense.

Instead what they make clear, what I keep repeating over and over here is that one must be born again to [b]Enter into the Kingdom of God. And according to Jesus Christ, there are two gates to enter through- a broad gate which leads to destruction and a second gate which leads to life - [b]Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14 & Luke 13 vs 22 - 30 & John 3 vs 1 - 8.

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Jesus did not say that the broad gate leads to his kingdom. Not a single verse says so.
Read this verse and learn the will of God.
Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
The broad way does not lead to his kingdom

As I said, and I repeat, God's given Law is as given by God to those He gives them to. The Old Covenant was given by God to those who have the blood of Jacob coursing through their veins
Sodom and Gomorrah were they of the blood of Jacob? Was Nineveh of the blood of Jacob? Was King Nebuchadnezzar of the blood of Jacob? Cant you see how wrong you are?
- Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 30 ; God's New Covenant was given by God to individuals who will accept and Obey Jesus Christ - Matthew 26 vs 28 - 30 . These are laws God chose to hand to individuals, directing that they would be saved by their obedience. 28 This is my blood of the[a] covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29 I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”

30 When they had sung a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives.
You keep say stuff not supported by the verses you quote. You notice I post the verses word for word.

In the case of Nations such as Sodom and Gomorrah, Moabites, Hittites etc. Which God destroyed, it is recorded that God judged those nations but not recorded that God's Judgement was based on Laws handed down by God to any of those peoples. So you know, why then are you adding to the scripture?

So what part of what I have stated here shifts goalposts or writes new bible for you?

God didn't say He judged Sodom and Gomorrah, Canaanites etc according to His standard? You are shifting the goal post. You claimed that Gods commands are only for his followers hence non believers are do not sin. I pointed out Sodom and Gomorah to prove that all mankind would be judged by God's standards and even non believers commit sin so stop playing games. You understood me fully.

2. So what is written or in Matthew 25 vs 40 - 46 is my addition to scripture? OK. [/b]What was written is contrary to your opinions
[b]
3. Jesus Christ told you the broad gate does not lead to the Kingdom of God? Look whose clearly adding his delusions to what is written. [/quote]
I just quoted the verse word for word. It never said the broad gate lead to his kingdom where did you get that from.

Stating what God Himself said He did is akin to writing my own bible? OK. You never stated what the bible said na.

2. So, What Jesus Christ said of coming in the glory of the Kingdom of God to judge all, sending some to Heaven and others to Hell is also an opinion of mine, right- You are right Jesus said that he never said hell was part of his kingdom. your own addition.

3.[b] Jesus Christ never said you have to be born- again to Enter into the Kingdom of God, urging you Enter in through the Narrow Gate instead of the Broad Gate[/b]He said we should be born again and he told us that the broad gate does not lead to his kingdom. let me quote the verse here to prove you are wrong.
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Where did you come about that the broad way leads to his kingdom.
No single translation of the bible states that the broad way leads to the kingdom. Its a very personal but incorrect doctrine

If I did not quote the verses one may think what you were saying is in the bible

Funny? There ain't nothing funny about God's judgement until you are attempting here to accuse God of unjust judgements ? : No I am accusing you of writing a new bible.


2. Um.... Hell is a part of the Kingdom of God, so also is Heaven. That's your personal opinion not God's word. He never said hell was an extension of his kingdom.
3. Again, being born-again means one [b]Enters into the Kingdom of God through either of 2 gates - the Broad Gate or the Narrow Gate. [/b] Jesus Christ never said this. You assume many strange things but its ok. Must Christian groups add lots of strange beliefs into God's words. The modern day Christians have become very creative in twisting the word of God.

suicidesheep:
All these stupid Christians that would never own up to their own sins, always pointing fingers for their wrong doings. If its not the devil it's one evil spirit. Nonsense creatures.

Well if one really looks deep into this, the argument boils down to free will vs fate.

Christian's claims their God knows everything and has a grand plan, so whatever action or thought anyone does is all part of God's plan which in turn means no one can be blame for their transgressions since they are just doing the will of God. But this same useless god still goes around issuing punishment likes as though he didn't know people would sin.

The sooner everyone realise there's no God, the better for us all

I don't know you, we are not fighting but you sound so rude and angry. What is troubling you?

1. Where there is no law there is no judgment, right? God's judgement against Sodom and Gomorrah is based on God's Law, albeit not directly revealed but He judged Sodom and Gomorrah, Canaan, the Hittite Nation, the Moabites, Tyre and Siddon, Philstines etc., by His standard and Law. That He did not reveal these standards/Laws to us does not mean their are none.
Funny you. now you are writing your new bible.

2. According to Jesus Christ, you must be born-again in order to [b]ENTER into the Kingdom of God. The same Jesus Christ also taught His disciples that there are 2 possible entry points - the Broad Gate which leaves to destruction and the narrow Gate which leads to true life - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14.
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Jesus did not say that the broad way leads to his kingdom nah. It leads to hell not the kingdom of God.

In [b]Luke 13, Jesus Christ urges those who will follow Him to ENTER(into the Kingdom of God) not through the Broad Gate but through the Narrow/strait gate instead.[/b] Here you are right, the broad way leads away from his kingdom not to his kingdom

[quote author=wwwihy post=112265227]Ronaldo will score goals, but the truth is, he won't improve any team. Messi will forfeit his goals for others to score and improve the team. This is their career story so far. One has more trophies and individual awards than the other that has more goals. QUALITY over quantity![/quote]How has PSG improved? messi today isnt as good as Teemu Pukki of Norwich. Teemu has 10 goals. He used to be great but this season is a disgrace

paulolee:
and cr7 is being paid for competency because his goals n assist av won united many games n trophies this season...
common top4 dt ole united finished last season, this cr7 united cnt even attempt it, bt instead, his fans are blaming the bad team n players...
Assuming messi came to PSG after dey finished 2nd and now in 8th position with messi scoring 30 goals, cr7 fans Will still blast messi as a badluck dt spoiled tinz..
Now its cr7 n dey are talking "goals" wen united are drowning in conference league..

Lets be serious for once, Messi is falling. He is not even among the 10 best forward in France maybe not among the top 20. Unknown names like Ludovic Ajorque,
Amine Gouiri, Gaëtan Laborde are now rated above Messi.

buckeyemedia:
Jonathan mortgaged your electricity infrastructure to quacks.

You are living in the past.

Nova1982:
why didn't you quote the whole thing? it's impossible arguing with ignorant people.

You dey vex? I didn't need to quote the whole thing. If you are scare of people talking bad about your beliefs then you have a problem. Your religion is the only protected religion on nairaland. That tells you that you guys have weaknesses but which one is my business.

efosb:
First time posting here happy Sunday �
I came across some men with on white shirt and black trousers today and they stopped me and spoke to me about their church which I have never heard of the name before. The church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints , anyone has any idea about the church?

Tell us more about this Different Jesus. do us a favor, post everything they tell you on this thread. Or better still, ask them if they care to join this thread. It would be fun having Latter Day saint missionaries on the thread.
Very interested.

Felimax:
For your own good keep to your Christian believe. It is not everything you want to know trust me. You can as well create a thread where you ask them to come and explain their believe to you, I am not in position to that. Seriously for me, I resist very vehemently anything that will adulterate my Catholic believe.

So you can do a call out and they will come and explain themselves.

The thread doesn't need to be fun but educative.
Good morning.

Sorry I didn't mean to tag you. I wanted the guy who met the missionaries to share his experience not you. Its always better to hear from the fresh unbias source not from someone who already has a negative opinion. That's how we learn. We expose people to all sides of the story and allow them to make up their minds. Just as you made up your mind after hearing

Lol.
Even some people who lived during Christ time on earth and after his ascension till now won't be saved if they don't believe.
We all get that you can't be saved if you don't want to be saved but salvation is available for all God's creatures.

So Christ sacrifice can't work for them when they dead. The conditions is clear na.
You point is that God created a large portion of his children without any plan for their salvation and yet you say God so loved the world. The 2 cant be true. You believe that the salvation of God is only extended to a select group of people and the rest be damned.

You think everyone is God's children? Both the wicked and righteous
Remember, Jesus did not come for the righteous but for the sinners. He came to save the lost sheep. Remember the parable of the prodigal son. He give the sinner a chance to repent. Remember Paul.
Its not what I think, its what the scriptures teach.
Deuteronomy 14

1Ye are the children of the Lord your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the dead.
Psalm 82.6
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
Malachi 2.10
Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?
These are scriptures from before the birth of Christ. I guess you don't believe the scriptures.
Acts 17.29
For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
2Peter 3.9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

It is not the will of God that any human should perish and he is both willing and able to save anyone who chooses his grace

BriskhoffBox:
Many regard the bible as the infallible word of God, I regard it as a book written by man for his personal agenda. The Bible is an unreliable authority because it contains numerous contradictions. Logically, if two statements are contradictory, at least one of them is false. The biblical contradictions therefore prove that the book has many false statements and is not infallible.

Examples of Old Testament Contradictions
The contradictions start in the opening chapters of the Bible, where inconsistent creation stories are told. Genesis chapter 1 says the first man and woman were made at the same time, and after the animals. But Genesis chapter 2 gives a different order of creation: man, then the animals, and then woman.

Genesis chapter 1 lists six days of creation, whereas chapter 2 refers to the “day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.” Genesis 1:2-3 claims that God created light and divided it from darkness on the first day; but Genesis 1:14-19 tells us the sun, moon, and stars weren’t made until the fourth day.

Chapter 1 reports that the fruit trees were created before the man, while chapter 2 indicates they were made after him. Genesis 1:20 says the fowl were created out of the waters; Genesis 2:19 alleges they were formed from the ground.

Contradictions are also seen in the biblical story of a worldwide flood. According to Genesis 6:19-22, God ordered Noah to bring “of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort . . . into the ark.” Nevertheless, Genesis 7:2-3 relates that the Lord ordered Noah to take into the ark the clean beasts and the birds by sevens, and only the unclean beasts by twos.

Genesis 8:4 reports that, as the waters of the flood receded, Noah’s ark rested on the mountains of Ararat in the seventh month. The very next verse, however, says the mountaintops could not be seen until the tenth month.

Genesis 8:13 describes the earth as being dry on the first day of the first month. But Genesis 8:14 informs us the earth was not dry until the twenty-seventh day of the second month.

The Old Testament contains an interesting contradiction in the story of the census taken by King David and the resulting punishment of the Israelites. God was so angered by the census that he sent a plague that killed 70,000 men. According to II Samuel 24:1, the Lord had caused David to take the census – which makes the punishment appear even more nonsensical. But an attempt was later made, at I Chronicles 21:1, to improve God’s image by claiming that Satan incited the census.

Further, the Old Testament is contradictory as to whether the Lord commanded the Israelites to sacrifice animals to him. At Jeremiah 7:22, God denies he ever gave the Israelites commandments about animal sacrifices. In contrast, Exodus 29:38-42 and many other verses depict God as requiring the Israelites to offer animal sacrifices.

Examples of New Testament Contradictions
In the New Testament, there are contradictions between the genealogies of Jesus given in the first chapter of Matthew and the third chapter of Luke.

Both genealogies begin with Jesus’ father, who is identified as Joseph (which is curious, given that Mary was supposedly impregnated by the Holy Ghost). But Matthew says Joseph’s father was Jacob, while Luke claims he was Heli. Matthew lists 26 generations between Jesus and King David, whereas Luke records 41. Matthew runs Jesus’ line of descent through David’s son Solomon, while Luke has it going through David’s son Nathan.

The story of Jesus’ birth is also contradictory. Matthew 2:13-15 depicts Joseph and Mary as fleeing to Egypt with the baby Jesus immediately after the wise men from the east had brought gifts.

But Luke 2:22-40 claims that after the birth of Jesus, his parents remained in Bethlehem for the time of Mary’s purification (which was 40 days, under the Mosaic law). Afterwards, they brought Jesus to Jerusalem “to present him to the Lord,” and then returned to their home in Nazareth. Luke mentions no journey into Egypt or visit by wise men from the east.

Concerning the death of Judas, the disloyal disciple, Matthew 27:5 states he took the money he had received for betraying Jesus, threw it down in the temple, and “went and hanged himself.” To the contrary, Acts 1:18 claims Judas used the money to purchase a field and “falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.”

In describing Jesus being led to his execution, John 19:17 recounts that he carried his own cross. But Mark 15:21-23 disagrees by saying a man called Simon carried the cross.

As for the crucifixion, Matthew 27:44 tells us Jesus was taunted by both criminals who were being crucified with him. But Luke 23:39-43 relates that only one of the criminals taunted Jesus, the other criminal rebuked the one who was doing the taunting, and Jesus told the criminal who was defending him, “Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.”

Regarding the last words of Jesus while on the cross, Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34 quote Jesus as crying with a loud voice, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” Luke 23:46 gives his final words as, “Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit.” John 19:30 alleges the last words were, “It is finished.”

There are even contradictions in the accounts of the resurrection – the supposed event that is the very foundation of the Christian religion. Mark 16:2 states that on the day of the resurrection, certain women arrived at the tomb at the rising of the sun. But John 20:1 informs us they arrived when it was yet dark. Luke 24:2 describes the tomb as open when the women arrived, whereas Matthew 28:1-2 indicates it was closed. Mark 16:5 declares that the women saw a young man at the tomb, Luke 24:4 says they saw two men, Matthew 28:2 reports they saw an angel, and John 20:11-12 claims they saw two angels.

Also in the resurrection stories, there are contradictions as to the identity of the women who came to the tomb,[7] whether the men or angels the women saw were inside or outside the tomb,[8] whether the men or angels were standing or sitting,[9] and whether Mary Magdalene recognized the risen Jesus when he first appeared to her.[10]

As a final example of a New Testament contradiction, the conflicting accounts of Paul’s conversion can be cited. Acts 9:7 states that when Jesus called Paul to preach the gospel, the men who were with Paul heard a voice but saw no man. According to Acts 22:9, however, the men saw a light but didn’t hear the voice speaking to Paul.

The foregoing examples are just a few of the hundreds of contradictions contained in the Old and New Testaments. Each contradiction is an instance where at least one of the verses is wrong. Thus, hundreds of contradictions mean there are at least hundreds of incorrect statements in the Bible.

What do you expect from a record that is thousands of years. Most Christians are not disturbed by these discrepancies because they understand the message. This was a record written by dozens of authors and passed along for centuries. Errors are bound. Still it has blessed the lives of millions.

Felimax:
I am lying! Do they read the regular bible as though they the book of Mormon?

Below is excerpt from wiki on the book of Mormon.

"^{The pivotal event of the book is an appearance of Jesus Christ in the Americas shortly after his resurrection.[16] Common teachings of the Latter Day Saint movement hold that the Book of Mormon fulfills numerous biblical prophecies by ending a global apostasy and signaling a restoration of Christian gospel. The book can also be read as a critique of Western society and contains passages condemning immorality, individualism, social inequality, ethnic injustice, nationalism, and the rejection of God, revelation, and miraculous religion.[17]"}

You are lying!

Do you have it anywhere in your Bible that Jesus appear in the Americas shortly after his resurrection?

This people are also from the U.S like Jehovah Witness and anything coming from the U S about Jesus Christ you have to look it well.

You won't tender your comment but when others do that is when some of you guys will start having erection that is never stable.

Tell us more about this Different Jesus. do us a favor, post everything they tell you on this thread. Or better still, ask them if they care to join this thread. It would be fun having Latter Day saint missionaries on the thread.

Felimax:
Gentle and cool guys but almost like another version of a cult like Jehovah Witnesses.

They have a different version of Jesus also. They are so filled with brotherliness and love.

I like them though but I yet to see anything like Catholicism.

tell us what they told you lets discuss it here. Tell us about their Jesus Christ?

achorladey:
You know when some hear war all they see is people fighting without love. They forget the sense of SELF DEFENSE embedded in war.

Military formations all over the world are built first and foremost for self defense. So I laugh when members of a religious group begin to say...



You will think they are better or different whereas they are not. They equally preach self defense against dangers endangering lives of family, friends and relatives from intruders and invaders which sometimes leads to fight death and killings

Such ones go further to say



We know they don't have to go to war to kill their fellow members. Kill na kill or commit other immoral practices

such ones added



A case of someone that don't understand the meaning of SELF DEFENSE as taught by the religious organization he belongs.

2 Samuel 3 1 - 39 comes to mind. The house of David was in a long War with house of Saul.

You know both are Satan's witnesses and not you know the rest

I remember asking them has Jehovah’s servant ever fought against another Jehovah’s servant since they believe Christians are not expected to go to war? These people go mute.

Benjamin tribe sex scandal comes to mind Judges chapters 19 - 21. Fits this thread that even at war there should be love of enemies. Israelites almost wiped out the Benjamin tribe yet they provide wives for them in order for their numbers to come back like before.

Nairaland na place to learn not just a place to market a religious organization or brag about a religious organization.

As long as we are still on earth, men would continue to fight one another

Maynman:
Stop dodging, lying about the small things

When you are ready

Maynman:
Stop dodging and tell us the plagiarism checker you have, is it a secret type? ?
Where did you get it from? Is it specially made?

When you are ready, I would get back to you.

Maynman:
Save us the epistle, and tell us what thing has the plagiarism checker, be honest about the small thing haba

Do the needful and I will tell you sir. Meanwhile, am all ears prove your point

Maynman:
If it’s not google then who?

Chief google does not have a plagiarism checker. I am not sure I should be teaching you how to get a plagiarism checker. But if you are so serious about getting one, Start a thread in the Education section and I would reply you. and you should be thanking me. I have finally giving you an opportunity to prove your beliefs. Go ahead, I am all ears.

Kobojunkie:
You are wrong!

As indicated even by the OP, God's punishment for Rape wasn't death. Death was punishment for sins under clear circumstances as stated in the law.

God never endorsed the raping of virgins'. Read Deuteronomy 22. I don't know where you got that strange belief

Maynman:
Ooh so who does?

Who does what?

Kobojunkie:
The Old Covenant Law of Moses, from where the OP quoted from is God's Law and constitution to the Nation of Israel - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20. All 613 statues and commandments contained are as given by God to those who have the blood of Jacob coursing through their veins and for living in the Land of Canaan.

Then I was right. You are saying that God's Law and constitution to the Nation of Israel constitutes of Rape and I am saying a big No. God never commanded Nation of Israel to Rape.

Maynman:
A plagiarism checker from google? So you believe that one not to be garbage? But when it comes to religion matter that’s when google is not right?

Google does not have a plagiarism checker what's your point?

Maynman:
It’s a fact. Why don’t you disprove it?
You believe everything on Bible doesn’t mean it’s not garbage written by uneducated men.

No, that's not how it works. You made the claim so its up to you to prove not the other way. What evidence do you have that the bible is a product of plagiarism? I actually have a plagiarism checker So its up to you to provide the text that the bible was copied from so we could check it.

Kobojunkie:
Read the Op before reacting.

I read both of you.

Kobojunkie:
You are wrong!
Read what God in fact said as pointed out by the OP.

Now, I don't understand what you are saying. Anyway, let it slide.

Kobojunkie:
I didn't explain anything other the fact that that Law both he quoted from is instead a Law given to the Jews and not to Christians.

His question is a legit one to ask, only he packages it to the wrong people.

You explained that it was God's law for the Jews. Rape is never God's way for Jews or Christian. The penalty of rape was death.