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[quote author=cornelboy post=109579931]Which verse of the Bible says the men of old are going to the kingdom of God or that say every believer is going to the kingdom of God?

Luke 13:28

In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being thrown out.

argue with the bible

cornelboy:
Read the book of Hebrews well bro.
I want to see that verse that says Abraham was saved by grace

I have read the book of Hebrew. What's your point.

Galatians 3.8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

cornelboy:
Wow i love questions. They didn't go to the kingdom of God after death. Note kingdom of God literally doesn't mean heaven.
John 5:28-29
[28]Don’t be so surprised! Indeed, the time is coming when all the dead in their graves will hear the voice of God’s Son,
[29]and they will rise again. Those who have done good will rise to experience eternal life, and those who have continued in evil will rise to experience judgment.

Those men of old are in their grave bro sleeping deep in death.

Daniel 2:44
[44]“During the reigns of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed or conquered. It will crush all these kingdoms into nothingness, and it will stand forever.

Isaiah 9:6
[6]For a child is born to us,
    a son is given to us.
The government will rest on his shoulders.
   The government is the same as the kingdom in Daniel 2:44 cos Jesus will be the king of the kingdom, the king of kings. Only choosen few will be in God's kingdom. Those are the 144000 mentioned in revelation.

What's your point? are you saying these men would not go to the kingdom of God? The bible says except a man is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God are you saying these men would not be in the Kingdom of God?
No verse in the entire bible said 144000 people would go to the kingdom of God

cornelboy:
Wetin you de talk na?
They believed in sacrifice wey never even happen and the sacrifice was working for them to have eternal life and remission of sin before Dem even born Jesus?
The old covenant was active till Jesus death.
Salvation through grace from Christ started after his death in real.
I don't follow your line of reasoning. It's not what the bible teaches. Bye

That is the definition of faith. Do you believe Jesus is coming again? Has it happened already? Why do you think of Revelations 13.8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
The scripture speaks of Christ's death before the foundation of the world was.
Salvation through grace from Christ started after his death in real.

Are you saying that the prophets of old are not saved?
Yes, they practiced the old covenant as a shadow of things to come. The sacrifices of old were performed in the similitude of Christ's eternal sacrifice. These men knew what they were doing. And in case you don't know, the bible clearly taught that Abraham was saved by grace.

cornelboy:
He believed that God will send the messiah at the appointed time. Of he would have faith in the messiah that he'll accomplish God's mission.
But Isaiah didn't believe the messiah to be the same God of Israel Who is giving him prophecy via the holy spirit. Thus Isaiah didn't know about Jesus' identity or who he was to God before he came to earth but he knew the roles he would play when he comes.

Christ taught in John 3, 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
If these men of old were not born again, how come they make the kingdom of God?

cornelboy:
He believed that God will send the messiah at the appointed time. Of he would have faith in the messiah that he'll accomplish God's mission.
But Isaiah didn't believe the messiah to be the same God of Israel Who is giving him prophecy via the holy spirit. Thus Isaiah didn't know about Jesus' identity or who he was to God before he came to earth but he knew the roles he would play when he comes.

Did Isaiah tell you this? What did Isaiah say that made you think this? He like all other prophets had faith in the coming and sacrifice of Jesus Christ. that is all that matters. Every other thing is assumtion

cornelboy:
Isaiah believed God for his words and he had Faith that when the messiah comes he would fulfill God's assignment for him. He didn't believe the messiah as the Almighty God that gave him the prophecy.

What do you want Isaiah to say again to make you know that he believed in Christ.

cornelboy:
These are Paul's word bro and they were baptized to Moses not Christ bro.
Moses no even have idea about Christ.
The rock that gives them spiritual water is a comparison to Christ.

Yes they were baptized unto Moses I don't argue that, but And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Read the whole thing, man.
Thousands of years before Christ was born, they drank of Christ.

cornelboy:
Isaiah believed God for his words and he had Faith that when the messiah comes he would fulfill God's assignment for him. He didn't believe the messiah as the Almighty God that gave him the prophecy.

What are you saying. he believed God's word but did not believe the messiah? Whats this. Maybe we have to call on Isaiah and ask if he was drunk when he was speaking. How else do you want Isaiah to show you that he knew what he was saying? Haba

cornelboy:
See it's not about what they know it bout what God inspired them to know and tell the people.
God inspired them to know that a Messiah is coming. He also told them about the life he would live and what message he would bring. He also told them about his forerunner and his sacrificial death. The prophets sure believed what God told them and they were expecting the Messiah. They haven't known him yet.
If you can't understand go back to your bible. It's more than clear.

You cant testify about what you don't know. You have not quoted a single verse to prove your point so don't tell me to go to the scripture because you have none to show me. Probably, they did not know about he turning water to wine but they knew him unto salvation. They accepted him and believed in his sacrifice. what more do you want them to do. like what more?

cornelboy:
Omo see wahala o.
Where are the verses which proved that the prophet knew Jesus in person or worshipped him or know when he would come to the word?
Even Jews in his time when he finally came to them, they didn't believe him as the Messiah rather they wanted to kill him.

Really, what more do you want them to say to show that they knew Christ? Just like his modern followers, they ate his flesh and drank from him. How else could they have written it for you to understand?
Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Kobojunkie:
Huh?

If judgement takes place and then afterwards a new Heaven and new Earth are created and then the disciples are promised all those things on the New earth, what does that mean?,

You lost me.

cornelboy:
Omo see wahala o.
Where are the verses which proved that the prophet knew Jesus in person or worshipped him or know when he would come to the word?
Even Jews in his time when he finally came to them, they didn't believe him as the Messiah rather they wanted to kill him.

My guy let me advise you. in your Journey to God, Do not assume what you do not know. Rely on scripture to teach you.
Isaiah testified about the birth of Christ, About his life and death, He taught us the names of Jesus Christ. what more do you want him to do to show you that he knew of Christ?
You ask, Where are the verses which proved that the prophet knew Jesus in person Do you know Christ in person? what more would they have said to show you they know him?

Kobojunkie:
The one is reference to judgment to come , the other reveals what awaits His disciples is the New Heaven/Earth to come

Yes we already know about these. CLEARLY NOT WHAT YOU WERE CLAIMING in the first place. I thought you would show me a repopulation scripture.

Kobojunkie:
I did that earlier

Judgement day happens to then when Jesus Christ returns. Read what He said to you in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 and in Matthew 19 vs 16 - 30

These scriptures have nothing to do with repopulating heaven and earth. and all the things you are claiming about God's teamwork with satan. The verses are saying a different thing from what you claim.
What does the parable of sheep and Goat have to do with repopulating heaven?

cornelboy:
Your comments make me feel your a 10 years old kid.

All the prophet testified of him as what or of what or how did they testify of him?

Simeon knew about the law and the prophecies (every Jews were expecting the Messiah) bout the Messiah and God promised him he would not taste death untill he saw the Messiah.

Testify; To make a declaration, or give evidence, under oath.
To make a statement based on personal knowledge or faith.
Testifying of him doesn't mean they knew him or his identity. They don't even know he would be named Jesus.

Do you declare what you don't know? THESE MEN TESTIFIED ABOUT WHAT THEY KNEW. we don't know if they knew he would be named Jesus. But let's assume it's true, That counts for nothing. They knew and testified about his birth and sacrifice. They had faith Just as you do. The same way you have not seen Jesus and you believe by faith. Please unless you are sure that the men of old did not know anything about Christ, I think you should let people know that this is your personal opinion.And its not at all scriptural.

cornelboy:
Don't let's drag unnecessarily.
Jesus the messiah was known after he came into the world. The wise men were first to see him except the shepherd and his parents and they worshipped (prostrated or pay homage to) him.

The prophet knew Christ would be coming through prophecy but they are not aware of his identity and they didn't worship him before he came to the world.

Do you really believe that God hid Jesus Christ and salvation from people in the old testament? Do you believe all the faithful servants of God Did not Know Christ? They knew him just as much as you and I.

Kobojunkie:
I don't understand.

Give me the verses so I can read

cornelboy:
Don't let's drag unnecessarily.
Jesus the messiah was known after he came into the world. The wise men were first to see him except the shepherd and his parents and they worshipped (prostrated or pay homage to) him.

The prophet knew Christ would be coming through prophecy but they are not aware of his identity and they didn't worship him before he came to the world.

My brother, I feel safer believing what the bible says than your personal opinion. Did David not clearly testify of Jesus Christ in the psalms?

read some of what Isaiah said about him.
And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;

3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:

4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.

6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.

14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.

15 And the Lord shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod.

16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.

Kobojunkie:
You need to read the Gospels because Jesus Christ taught these things to His followers in there.

please quote and I would read

cornelboy:
Don't let's drag unnecessarily.
Jesus the messiah was known after he came into the world. The wise men were first to see him except the shepherd and his parents and they worshipped (prostrated or pay homage to) him.

The prophet knew Christ would be coming through prophecy but they are not aware of his identity and they didn't worship him before he came to the world.

purely your opinion not what any single scripture teaches. I just showed you where the bible says that the testimony of Jesus Christ is the spirit of prophecy. All the prophets testified of him. So where did you get the idea that they did not know him? What about simoen that blessed baby Jesus. Really where do you get these from clearly not from the bible

Kobojunkie:
Judgement day happens to then when Jesus Christ returns. Read what He said to you in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 and in Matthew 19 vs 16 - 30

What are you talking about. You got me lost.

Kobojunkie:
Purpose of life?

God created man in order to source for Himself Sons of God, and a worthy people with which to repopulate His New Heaven and Earth with.

Repopulate? what happened to the first population.

Kobojunkie:
Satan works for God. Anyone who is honest enough, after reading scripture, would understand this.

So what's the whole purpose of Life. This is just a big game for you. You think Life is the squid games right?

cornelboy:
Yeah the prophets were aware that a Messiah would come. They spoke concerning him through prophecy. They they didn't know him in person or worshipped him before he came to the world.

You really don't know that do you? You are just guessing. Every single person that had the spirit of prophecy had a testimony of Jesus Christ. For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy, Rev 19:9 -10
also, read 1 Corinthians 10

Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Kobojunkie:
Again, try to pay attention to what is being said to you rather than jumping to baseless conclusions.

Scripture does not exist in your Bible alone. That I quote from it does not then mean I believe in your Bible or that I share in the ridiculous idea that it is holy and all the other jargons that have been included in the church vocabulary where your Bible is concerned.
Also the fact that we once had a discussion where I clued you into the fact that the Gospels,not the letters of the apostles, constitute God's Word to us through Jesus Christ.

God's Word exists outside of and beyond that book you call your Bible. If you can wrap your mind around it, you can maybe understand how ridiculous the canonization exercises by your churches were to begin with.

I used to think you are JW but now I know you are not. I apologize to all the JWs on this thread. I honestly thought you were one of them

Nobody555:
So God sent Satan to make man fall?

I am learning that today

Kobojunkie:
The serpent tempted Adam, but God used Satan instead to directly tempt Jesus Christ.

wow. just wow. So God is basically the one to blame for satans bad bahaviour. This is exciting.

Nobody555:
What's your point here, gimme verse that says someone knew and worshipped Jesus before he was born?

I just did. did you not read it?
Every single prophet had the Testimony of Jesus Christ. For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy, Rev 19:9 -10. Give me example of anyone that worshiped Jesus Christ in the new testament

Kobojunkie:
Read the Gospels and you will learn of this.
For instance, when Satan tempted Jesus Christ, that wasn't a coincidence. Recall that Adam, the one responsible for the curse and judgment which Jesus Christ came to offer us salvation from, was himself tempted by the serpent in the garden of Eden.

Do you mean God sent Satan to tempt Christ? And God sent the serpent to tempt Adam? Please I am at your feet teach me more. I am enjoying this

cornelboy:
Nobody knew the messiah before he came to the world.
The Jews whom Jehovah God gave the prophecy about the messiah only believe in one God YHWH. They only worship YHWH.

Is that what the bible said or is it your opinion? The wise men that worshiped Jesus clearly knew something. Simeon that blessed baby Jesus knew something
Acts 10:43 : "All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name

Kobojunkie:
TCTRILLS, I did not finally confess anything to you. This since I never suggested to you or anyone that I believe in your canonizations by churches to begin.

Second, I am not his brother since my brother's, sisters and mothers are instead those who do the will of God, not those who submit instead to the doctrines and traditions of men and their churches, which I made clear from before this thread were against God.

You have come out to say you do not believe in the canonized scripture. I would remind you any day you quote any verse from it ok? Are you denying the bible? This has been one of my sweetest threads so far.