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Kobojunkie:
God Himself said in Jeremiah 31 vs 31 - 34 that He will teach those who belong to Him of Himself, in His New Covenant. And, true to His Word, even your Bible is not necessary for the Word of God to fulfill the purpose for which Jesus Christ delivered it to man 2000 years ago. One of those purposes is to be preached to all nations on the earth. Even if the Catholic church had succeeded in burning all copies of the original scriptures, God's Word would still fulfill the purpose for which God gave it. So, again, God is more than able to maintain the integrity and spread of His Truth through space and Time and this using whatever means necessary.... Devils and demons even.

He used sicknesses, men, devils and demons to accomplish Jesus Christ's mission here ok earth 2000 years ago, did He not? Do not limit God in any way of form.

God used the devil to accomplish Jesus Christ's mission? Explain?

cornelboy:
Bro i don't need to get to a level before understanding God truth and reasoning on the bible.
Na Max writing be that no be my own.

Do you think the Catholics are honouring and obeying the bible with their practices?

I don't talk about churches, I talk about practices. which of their practices are you talking about.

achorladey:
You want make tctrills come quench your thirst like Lazarus

You must save your face when cornered. Baba e bo le ni be yen se.

My brother, let me be the one to avoid him here. I don't know how to handle volatile men.

cornelboy:
Kobojunkie is not one of my brothers abeg na. I believe in Jehovah God if you don't na your problem. I'm not taking chance

I never said the devil created the Catholic church or they are devils. If i did quote me.

Did you read what MaxInDHouse just wrote? He said you are still progressing. You have not yet gotten to the level. I guess I am sorry for having this discussion with you now. I would wait for you to get to the level then we would have this discussion again.

cornelboy:
Kobojunkie is not one of my brothers abeg na. I believe in Jehovah God if you don't na your problem. I'm not taking chance

I never said the devil created the Catholic church or they are devils. If i did quote me.

Is he not your church brother? I thought you all believe the same sorry if I am mistaken. It was MaxInDHouse that told me that the Catholic church is of the devil. Sorry for bunching You All together.

cornelboy:
Both the Torah and injeel made me believe.
Your not wrong. There are some verses in the Koran that can make you believe in Christ than Mohammed.

The fact is the bible is what we have today. God words endured....

That's the chance you are taking and not a fact you know. Your beliefs are contradictory. Less than an hour ago, one of your brothers Kobojunkie finally confessed that he doesn't believe the canonization of the bible was of God. Did you read it?
You cant accept the catholic to be the church of the devil and then accept a gift from the devil.

Kobojunkie:
Ok

I just remembered something. You could use it as food for thought. Apostle Paul's word in 2 Corinthians 3:6.
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Even if all copies of the bible are destroyed as long as there is the spirit, men would still have the word of God.

Balkan:
Propaganda media house.
You will not report that Boko haram has taken over the North

You are wicked. many Igbos are finding it very hard because of the stay at home and you are talking about boko haram.

cornelboy:
If the Torah had been completely lost, there's no way i would have believed in Jesus as the messiah or God Himself.

I would be atheist now. I could only believe if i had that supernatural encounter from Jesus like Paul.

It's obvious that the Catholics of this generation are not following God's will and commandments.
If not for the OT how would we know what sins against God are?

The word of God endured...

God for you. The Torah Led you to Christ. I know a Muslim that the Quran led to Christ. And Paul did not need a book to come to God. Obviously, God moves in mysterious ways.

Kobojunkie:
Maybe what you keep saying makes sense to you and that is fine. I believe I have more than explained by stance clear as far as scripture is concerned, don't you think?

Not really but I cant Kill you for believing what you believe.
I actually enjoyed doing this with you.

Kobojunkie:
1. So how is this different from what I stated earlier?

2. I stated that it was not of God from the onset..

Now we are beginning to agree.
Jeremiah 17:5
Thus says the Lord: “Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes flesh his strength, whose heart turns away from the Lord. You cant trust the canonized bible if it wasn't commanded by God.
Again if it was carried out by the church of satan, more reasons to doubt it. You shouldn't receive a gift from satan

Kobojunkie:
1. I don't think you answered the questions. My question again is, in the context of God's Law, what does it mean to indicate that a law will not "pass away"?

And exactly what purpose is His Word meant to fulfill?

2. The canonization of your Bible refers to the process by which the church of men concluded on the authority of the books included, is it not? God didn't command men to do such in His name and so the decision to do so was solely of men and not of God. Now if you wish to believe that all decisions not decreed by God but made by men are of the devil, then you are free to do so.

1Its simple God is never going to change his Law. Men could change the content of the bible but God wouldn't change his law.

2. Beautiful, you now accept that it was the Decision of men in the not God to basically reduce the scripture to 66 books. Let me also add that those me were from the church of satan as you guys claim. So you are basically worshiping men from the church of the devil. You trust them and you live by their works, Good of you

cornelboy:
Okay but don't you have a church? At least their doctrines would have influenced your opinion here.

Let's be clear here, I am not here to pick on the JW as a church. I am here to discuss interesting Christian doctrines. So I would never say your church is of the devil, I would only discuss the doctrines put forth

cornelboy:
Okay but don't you have a church? At least their doctrines would have influenced your opinion here.

Come is this the same question you ask everyone here or am I just special to you? I must be honest with you, I am not trusting your intentions. I mean no disrespect.

Kobojunkie:
Interesting! But God's Word has never in fact been dependent on your Bible to begin with.

1. So, what does the phrase "pass away" mean in there in Matthew 24 vs 35 and Matthew 5 vs 18? Also exactly is His Word meant to fulfill?

2. God never decreed this canonization of is word you refer to in the first place, so how can He be made responsible for this supposed outsourcing you claim?

1. So, what does the phrase "pass away" mean in there in [b]Matthew 24 vs 35 and Matthew 5 vs 18? Also exactly is His Word meant to fulfill? [/b]
simple English, to be fulfilled means to come to pass, to happen. for example, If Jesus said he would return again to earth, whether it is written in a bible or not, it would be fulfilled.

2. God [b]never decreed this canonization of is word you refer to in the first place, so how can He be made responsible for this supposed outsourcing you claim? [/b]
You are just making my point more and more. If the canonization isn't from God, it's then Obviously from the devil. That's why I spoke about devil worship. You claim the canonization isn't of God and yet you somehow trust the works of satan?

cornelboy:
If you are a Catholic, let's know.
The pharisees and scribes were in charge of the law and all that yet they blindly or intentionally teach man made doctrines.
They don't need to change the Torah before they could teach their false doctrines since it wasn't available for everyone.
If God truly exist, he would do anything to preserve His holy book.
Mind you, i didn't say the Catholics are devils.
Despite having the bible with them they chose to do against it.

First Jesus did not teach the doctrine of the Torah so if the Pharisees and scribes changed it, still wouldn't have changed Christianity the true way of God. We both know that the Torah would not lead us to God so why would they have changed it. It's a waste of time.
ITs not written anywhere that God must do everything to protect the bible. I gave you evidence of many books quoted in the bible that are lost, God did not protect them. Even if all the bibles in the world are lost God would always reach his people. He didn't need a bible to call Moses or Abraham. Saul did not read a bible on the way to Damascus.

cornelboy:
Let's stop playing games bro.
Luke 11:18
[18]You say I am empowered by Satan. But if Satan is divided and fighting against himself, how can his kingdom survive?

God is the opposite of Satan. How can Satan be promoting God's Truth?
God preserved the bible His inspired words not God.

I don't think you realize the implications of your position.
Do you believe in the canonized bible? You answer yes.
Who canonized it? You answer, the church of the devil.
And you trust the devil did not manipulate it? You answer yes.
Do you trust the devil? You answer .........
Can you find any other instance where God has entrusted a holy and scared work to the devil? You answer.......

Kobojunkie:
1. I worship the devil and chance because I believe God is the sovereign Ruler over the one call the devil meaning God's Word we have today is the same Word He, God, sent to us 2000 years ago and from before?.

2. So, even though Jesus Christ stated, that not a jot of God's Word and Law will change or be removed for eternity, you instead believe that God's Word changes through time? OK!

Let me start with your number 2.
So, even though Jesus Christ stated, that not a jot of God's Word and Law will change or be removed for eternity, you instead believe that God's Word changes through time? OK!
Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. He never said the bible cant be changed, the bible is the book that contains his words. So even if the bible is changed his words remain and they would not go unfulfilled. So your argument is not strong enough. The word of God is not a book, the word of God is spirit

Now to your No 1
The answer is yes. If you believe that God outsourced the canonization of his words to the Devil, You clearly are in some kind of devil worship.

cornelboy:
Let's stop playing games bro.
Luke 11:18
[18]You say I am empowered by Satan. But if Satan is divided and fighting against himself, how can his kingdom survive?

God is the opposite of Satan. How can Satan be promoting God's Truth?
God preserved the bible His inspired words not God.

If you believe that God outsourced the canonization of his words to the Devil, You clearly are in some kind of devil worship.
I never said you are empowered by satan. And I Love what you wrote,
God is the opposite of Satan. How can Satan be promoting God's Truth?[color=#770077][/color]. If like you guys believe, the catholic church is of the devil, he wouldn't promote God's words.

Again I understand you need to believe that God somehow preserved the bible. That can only be true if the Catholic church isn't of the devil. It is not in the nature of God to hand over holy things to the devil. And we cant expect Good from the devil.
So it's up to you to decide if the catholic church is of the devil or if the bible is preserved. You cant choose both. And it seems you have no way of knowing so for you, it's a game of chance. You are hoping the catholic church did no harm to the bible but you would never know. Maybe you should ask God in prayer because you don't seem to have an answer to this.

cornelboy:
Lol what i know already from the Bible is enough for my salvation and pure worship to God and righteous living.

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as I said, your worship and believes are products of chance. you are trusting in the devil and hoping he did no wrong to the bible. isn't that a form of devil worship?

Kobojunkie:
Holy scriptures? There is no such thing.

Again, If you don't at least trust that the God you worship/serve is God enough to maintain the integrity and Truth of His Word given to men from generation to generation then you would worry endlessly about such things.

And yes, even the one you call Satan and the devil to accomplish God's willl.

You worship is a product of chance. You are actually trusting in the devil and hoping he did no wrong to he bible. You are not trusting in God. The difference between you and I is that I trust God and I believe he continuously speaks to man and can tell us what is right and what is wrong even today.

cornelboy:
Bro calm down. The Catholics are not literally devils, they are human like us. But what they did and are still doing are against the Bible you say they canonized.

Your brother maxindhouse actually said they are. He called the church the church of the devil. Maybe you should talk with him first about it.

achorladey:
Na your mode of operation. Learn! You will still come back with your I don't respond to you excuse



Did you see me holding him back from joining the organization.

MaxInDHouse has continued to quote and do all he can to make me reply to him. As tempting as it is, I would keep to my words and continue to avoid him. We all witnessed his mental breakdown last year. I felt guilty for it and since then, I have kept my distance. Remember he promised to stay away from me. I guess he loves me too much and can't do without me. But it was a toxic relationship so I have moved on.

cornelboy:
Thank Jehovah they didn't reedit and remove truths from the Bible. But they hid it from the masses instead so that they can spread their lies.
I believe God preserved His words.
I read the ones available bro. Not all the contents though.

According to you, the devil, the master con man, father of lies, and enemy to God had the bible solely in his hands for over a thousand years and he did not falsify or corrupt it. You want to believe that the devil is that nice. He even canonized it properly for you. That must have been the devil in his best behavior. If you can believe this I wonder what you wouldn't believe.

cornelboy:
Thank Jehovah they didn't reedit and remove truths from the Bible. But they hid it from the masses instead so that they can spread their lies.
I believe God preserved His words.
I read the ones available bro. Not all the contents though.

Unfortunately, you have no way of knowing what was removed or added. You can only hope and pray and your worship becomes a product of chance. You are taking a bet on the devil's church to do the right thing.
The devil had a chance to remove from the bible and he did not. the devil is now born again. I showed you many books that were lost. So if you don't know, now you know.

cornelboy:
Truth is i don't want to have unfruitful argument with a Muslim or an atheist.

And the truth is that I am not going to tell you my church. But out of my respect for you, if you clearly tell me that you are uncomfortable with me contributing to your threads or quoting you, I would stop.
One of your brothers told me so and I have never been on his matter again.
but then again I hope you ask everyone who contributes to your thread the name of their church and not just me.
Just let me know if you are uncomfortable and I would immediately stop ok.

FERNANDEZISBACK:
This wan no wan grow up. .
You are still a kid oo..e dey show from your name to your attitude..
When you grow up maybe you go wise..

Oga you are the one talking like a kid here. If you have an opposing Idea just share it. I don't agree with the guy that only prostitutes use chains but its so common among them that some people get easily confused when they see a lady in leg chains.

cornelboy:
If your not a christian pls go to your religion thread.

That's not nice and it's a bit awkward coming from a JW. First, your brothers on Nairaland believe they are the only Christians and all others worship the devil (one of your brothers told me as much). So it's clear you guys don't believe that there are other Christian. In fact one of your brothers said. You guys don't worship the same god as other Christians.

Also, I think is disrespectful for you to try to walk me out of a thread just because I did not tell you about my church. Learn to be more tolerant. I predicted correctly, you would start to hate me like your brothers. It's not yet 24 hours and you are kicking me out of the thread.

Finally, I have not presented any other religion here. I have only discussed Christian values here.

cornelboy:
I be yahoo boy, i wan use your religion for ritual
What do you preach then? I'm not even sure if you are a christian.

I am not sure that only Christians are allowed to discuss the bible. You don't need to be sure what I am. What I am does not matter and I am surprised that it's bothering you.

That's the thing with Nigerians on Nairaland. they always want to define you. Are you Igbo or Yoruba, APC, or PDP? cant you just judge my words and not my person because you don't know me.

I am not here to preach but to discuss and I don't stop you from preaching

cornelboy:
You probably don't know the whole story. The 66 books are the canonical books.
I have read the other books. They don't align with the messages in the 66 books.
You think Mary Magdalene could have written a book or Jesus secretly reveals things to her?
It's obviously the work of another person many years later after Jesus' death.

The 66 books were canonized by the catholic. The Catholics chose these 66 books over all the other books. And trust me, you have not read half of the other books. In fact, most are lost forever. Let me educate you on the lost books or the ones we know that are lost.

following: book of the Wars of the Lord (Num. 21:14); book of Jasher (Josh. 10:13; 2 Sam. 1:18); book of the acts of Solomon (1 Kgs. 11:41); book of Samuel the seer (1 Chr. 29:29); book of Gad the seer (1 Chr. 29:29); book of Nathan the prophet (1 Chr. 29:29; 2 Chr. 9:29); prophecy of Ahijah (2 Chr. 9:29); visions of Iddo the seer (2 Chr. 9:29; 12:15; 13:22); book of Shemaiah (2 Chr. 12:15); book of Jehu (2 Chr. 20:34); sayings of the seers (2 Chr. 33:19); an epistle of Paul to the Corinthians, earlier than our present 1 Corinthians (1 Cor. 5:9); possibly an earlier epistle to the Ephesians (Eph. 3:3); an epistle to the Church at Laodicea (Col. 4:16); and some prophecies of Enoch, known to Jude (Jude 1:14).

I have many more to send to you but do your research on these first.

None of these are found in your modern bible. Now if the Catholic church is truly of the devil, imagine what the would have removed and what they would have added

Kobojunkie:
If you don't at least trust that the God you worship/serve is God enough to maintain the integrity and Truth of His Word given to men from generation to generation then you would worry endlessly about such things.

God is God all by Himself !

Nice poem but it answers nothing. No good gift can come from the devil. Its not in the nature of God to give his holy work to the devil to do for him.
Remember
“Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces” (Matthew 7:6)
You really think after teaching this, Jesus went ahead and gave the holy scriptures to the devil and gave them the authority to decide what books the rest of the world would read and you think the devil then went ahead to do the work of God so perfectly? You are quite naive.

cornelboy:
How is telling me the name of your religion relate to your personal life?

Haba My brother, am I not allowed to decide what I want to keep personal on a public forum? I am not here to preach for any church And I am beginning to wonder why you are so keen to know my church. you have asked about five times now