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alphaNomega:
Who be this one?

How come you have no memory of what you were before you were born?

What makes you think you will exist with any form of consciousness/sentience after you die?

Stop lying to yourself.

Memory is a different matter. How come you have no memory of your birth?
The argument of memory does not count here.
How come you have no memory of the womb even though science proves that babies in the womb grow to recognize their mother's voice.
Please look for a better argument, the argument of memory hold no weight.

Please consider these 2 scriptures.
1. Exodus 4.22-23
22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.

2. Colossians 1.15
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

cornelboy:
It's who the Bible calls prophet i regard as prophet. God spoke to Abraham about things but not Christ.

My English app says ;
(Christianity, Judaism) Any of the prophets mentioned in the Bible, especially an author of one of the Prophets.

Please don't forget, you promised to show me where the bible said 144 people would go to heaven. I trust you would keep your promise

coolcharm:
Dump his ass. You deserve better.

if she follows your advice only to get the worse, you wouldn't be there for her.

cornelboy:
There's no need for argument again. I take that as your personal assumption.
They testify or prophesy of Christ is same to me.
Forgiveness of sin isn't same as being born again. Remission of sin through Jesus started after he was sacrified on the cross.
Though killing animal wasn't perfect for forgiveness of sin, the old testament people strictly adhere to the Mosaic law till the time of Jesus and probably till now in Judaism.
This are the fact you would see from the Bible. I don't need to quote verse.

Moses was the first prophet of God and he first talk bout Christ coming. Nothing shows that they (Israel) believed him before he came for their remission or forgiveness of sin be he actually came.

They of old received forgiveness of sin just like we do. Psalm 130.3-4 3 If thou, Lord, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand?

4 But there is forgiveness with thee, that thou mayest be feared.
This is clearly not my opinion abi.

cornelboy:
There's no need for argument again. I take that as your personal assumption.
They testify or prophesy of Christ is same to me.
Forgiveness of sin isn't same as being born again. Remission of sin through Jesus started after he was sacrified on the cross.
Though killing animal wasn't perfect for forgiveness of sin, the old testament people strictly adhere to the Mosaic law till the time of Jesus and probably till now in Judaism.
This are the fact you would see from the Bible. I don't need to quote verse.

Moses was the first prophet of God and he first talk bout Christ coming. Nothing shows that they (Israel) believed him before he came for their remission or forgiveness of sin be he actually came.

Are you saying that those of old did not receive forgiveness? Isaiah 1.18 is not my opinion by the Lords word to them of old
Isaiah 1.18 “Come now, let us settle the matter
says the Lord.
“Though your sins are like scarlet,
they shall be as white as snow;
though they are red as crimson,
they shall be like wool
God wa's not lying when he promised them total forgiveness.
So forgiveness did not begin in the new testament.
Also, the bible never carried out a census to know those that believed moses. So there is no point arguing about what you don't know. All we know I'd that unto those that believe he gave power to be sons of God

cornelboy:
Yes he found Jesus when he was baby and died peacefully because go promised he wouldn't die. So he was waiting for the messiah rather than believing in him for the forgiveness of sin.

We both agree that he got his knowledge from the prophets. The prophets testified that Christ would die for our sin, didn't they? If he believed the prophets, then he definitely knew that Christ was the savior of the world. Remember, he prophecies about Jesus.

Like I always say, Let's know when you are sharing a personal opinion. The bible never said he did not know Christ could forgive his sins and I don't know why you would think so. Do you really think The Holy Spirit revealed Jesus to Simeon but did not want him to know that salvation comes through Christ?

cornelboy:
Actually it's not bout English definition but what the Bible calls them.
If the bible teaches us they were prophet and calls them prophets good.

Only islam refer to them as prophet. Tell me if your a Muslim. Even Ishmael na prophet. Lot na prophet for them
Adam sef na prophet.

let's not press on that, Abraham was a patriarch. But he qualified for the kingdom of God. Remember, only those that are born again would see the kingdom

cornelboy:
It's who the Bible calls prophet i regard as prophet. God spoke to Abraham about things but not Christ.

My English app says ;
(Christianity, Judaism) Any of the prophets mentioned in the Bible, especially an author of one of the Prophets.

Ok, let's not argue about that, let's stay on topic. For the sake of today, but luckily for Abraham, he is included in those that would be in the kingdom of God

cornelboy:
Simeon was able to know from the law.
The patriarchs aren't prophets. God never told him about Christ.
Some prophet like Samuel didn't know about Christ cos God didn't reveal to them.

Never forget Acts 10.43 All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.

Samuel clearly knew about him.
Also, never forget
Revelation's 19.10 For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
Every one of them knew about him.
Don't forget that the same spirit we have now was with them in times of old.
2peter1.21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost

cornelboy:
Simeon was able to know from the law.
The patriarchs aren't prophets. God never told him about Christ.
Some prophet like Samuel didn't know about Christ cos God didn't reveal to them.

That's my point. Simeon found Christ because he followed the teachings of the prophets. That is the idea of the entire old testament, to led the Jews to Christ. Only very few got the message. Let us not be like the Jews in Jesus time and miss the message of the old testament

cornelboy:
I still owe you some verse about God's kingdom and the 144000
But prove it at least a verse showing where they were referred to as prophet?

Should we first agree on a definition before going into the scripture

[quote author=cornelboy post=109581308]I still owe you some verse about God's kingdom and the 144000
But prove it at least a verse showing where they were referred to as prophet?[/quote
It's simple, who is a prophet? If we know what qualifies one to be a prophet then we wouldn't be having this argument

cornelboy:
Abraham, Isaac Jacob weren't prophets but patriarchs

They are patriarchs or father's of the house of Israel and clearly prophets of God

cornelboy:
The first prophet na Moses

Amos 3.7 Surely the Sovereign Lord does nothing
without revealing his plan
to his servants the prophets.
Did God reveal his secrets to Abraham?
The Lord revealed Christ to his prophets. How do you think Simeon was able to know Christ?
The men of old knew more than most of us know today.

cornelboy:
Abraham wasn't even a prophet but a patriarch.

Who is a prophet? Define a prophet.

cornelboy:
Abraham didn't know about Christ but yet he walked with God by faith and got the promise.
So it's logical to say he didn't believe in Christ.

All prophets testified of Christ. He knew my brother.
You cannot be a prophet without having a tesimony of Jesus Christ

cornelboy:
We christians already know he came, promise fulfilled. We believed by reading the prophecies (testifyings) and accounts of Jesus.

Their faith was that God will send Christ to them.
You can choose whatever way you see it but i see it differently.
For them it was promise not received but for us na promise already on ground na to just believe and recurve.

Everyone ends up receiving God's promises. He does not promise what he can't fulfill

Kobojunkie:
Again, they couldn't have been born-again since they Law and the gates to the Kingdom were not opened to any man before Jesus Christ showed up.
And again, one cannot be born-again from the grave.

It's not written that you couldn't be born again because the gates where not open.
Like I said let's not make God a lier. Let's have faith in his words that except a man is born again, he cannot enter the kingdom.
Not my words but Christ.
I guess you should argue with Christ.

cornelboy:
The Israelites still expecting the Messiah till today is a prove that; they have faith in God that he would send him but they don't know or fail to recognize the messiah thus they don't believe in him.

John 5.39
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Christ told them that the scriptures testify of him. So if they did not believe him, we can't blame the prophets for it. It was on their scripture's all they needed was to believe the prophets.

cornelboy:
Yes they saw it from a distance, welcomed or believed it but didn't receive it hmm.
Yeah the promise came to pass but not in their lifetime

I agree. But because of faith, they shall be partakers of the blessingame also.

cornelboy:
The Israelites still expecting the Messiah till today is a prove that; they have faith in God that he would send him but they don't know or fail to recognize the messiah thus they don't believe in him.

You are right. The Israelites were in sin at the time of Chistian coming but those that understood the prophecies like Simon recognized him.

cornelboy:
No proof that they did but they knew or rather have faith that God would send someone to fulfill the prophecies given them.

Is that nor the same faith of every Chistian? Like them our faith is that God sent Christ to save us. What is the difference.
Again they all testified of him. Unless they were false witness, they couldn't testify of what they didn't know.
They knew of Christ hence every prophet testified of him.

Kobojunkie:
I never said the prophets wouldn't be in the Kingdom of God. What I instead said is that nowhere in scripture are you told that the prophets of old believed and were born into the Kingdom of God as a result long before Jesus Christ showed up.

You don't understand the how of the prophets eventually making it into the Kingdom of God so you think you can somehow twist scripture to suggest they already did and that is the lie of the doctrine you speww.

Christ was very clear. I don't think he was lying when he said except a man be born again. The prophets of old are not bigger than the word of God. If the were not born again they would never enter the kingdom. Christ is never lies

cornelboy:
Yet the sacrifice wasn't effective on the patriarchs or men of old until Christ died. Even Abraham wasn't on old covenant talkless of new covenant.

Let's not argue over everything. I agree with you, no one received salvation before Christ came but that was why I taught you about faith. Let's read some verses from Hebrew 11

1. Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen

13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
We learn from 13 that they may not have received the promises in their lifetime but it does not mean these promises wouldn't come to pass.

Kobojunkie:
Until a Law is ratified - this should be common sense - you cannot partake of its benefits nor can you be signed into it, right?

It is the same with God's Covenant/Contract. The dead cannot be signed in from the grave. Only the living can do that and as Jesus Christ made it clear, only the living can be born-again - John 3 vs 1 - 8.

2. They knew from even Abraham of God's New Covenant to come. This promise of a better deal was passed down since Abraham, but as time went on , more and more started to see visions of what was to come.

You make God a lier. He said all the prophets would be in the kingdom and again only the born again would be in his kingdom. Common sense tells you that all the prophets are born again

cornelboy:
I don't talk am already.
What we were arguing on was sacrifice.

No.. the point was that them of old did not know Christ

Kobojunkie:
You are making any sense. Again, the process for entering into the Kingdom of God is the same for every one - Jews and Gentiles alike - so what do you mean it never said they had to accept Jesus Christ, when God's Law, Jesus Christ, decrees that in order to enter into the Kingdom of God one ought to complete the stipulated steps in the process - John 3 vs 1 - 21 - no exemptions?

John 14:6 Jesus said, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

cornelboy:
Lol it's there bro i want to sleep.

John 3:5
[5]Jesus replied, “I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.

The criterion for entering the kingdom of God is being born again in other words born of the spirit or baptized by the spirit.

Not Jesus sacrifice. You really try gan by trying to make me believe that being born again has to do with Jesus' sacrifice.

now open your mind. If Jesu's told you that no one can enter the kingdom without being born of water and the spirit and then in another place he told you that Abraham and all the prophets would be in the kingdom. What more does he need to tell you for you to know that they are born again

Kobojunkie:
Not Me this since I fully comprehend what the author implies by the description he provides of the term "faith" as used in scripture. Ofcourse i am quite aware that via special interpretation magic, many of you instead assume those to be definitions of the word.

Yea, we should believe you rather than the word of God.
Now you are caught in a lie you look for excuses

Kobojunkie:
Wrong! Faith is the act of obedience of God's explicit commandments to you..

Did the prophets of old long for the days of Christ? Did they hope for Christ? Then they had faith in him
Hebrew 11.1
11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Kobojunkie:
1. Luke 13 vs 28 simply tells you what will happen in the future. It in no way tells you that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob had access to Jesus Christ... long before Jesus Christ showed up 2000 years ago.

Stop attempting to twist scripture into saying what it doesn't .

Yes it never said they had to accept Jesus. John 3.3 said it. Learn your scripture.