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Emu4life:
Overly Exaggerated Figures. Shioor

You are right if you check well, he has less than N50,000 in his account.

God1000:
That serves him right, I think Biden and trump deserve this treatment as well for aiding and abetting the worst genocide in the 21st century

I don't think there's any American president that didn't stain his hands with the blood of innocent people from unnecessary wars abroad, except maybe jimmy Carter

Don't be ignorant, the 2 worst genocides of this century happened in Africa and one is still ongoing and the US had no hand in any.
Have you heard about Ethiopia and Sudan?

They have taught you to care more about your Arab masters than your own people.

Antichristian2:
I already know you can't solve the Problem! Your salvation theory is problematic, unexplainable and unrealistic as it is against sound reason, fairness and justice. You just hold on to it by faith!

God does not die!
Jesus died as a man!

A man can not save the world as one man can only have one soul!

Who is the only true God?
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. John 17:3

I have already replied your 2 concerns but let me add light to it.
You believe 2 things

1. A God can't die hence if Christ was a God He couldn't sacrifice Himself

2. Since Christ died about 2000 years ago those who died before Him can't find forgiveness through His sacrifice.

Let me know if I paraphrased correctly

To the first concern,
What is the best way to know what a God can or can't do?
The best way is by looking at what a God has already done.
From Jesus Christ, you now know that is is very possible for a God to lose His mortal body and resurrect.
So rather than assuming what a God should not be capable of, lets learn from Christ. Since Christ was able to do it, them it is wrong to assume that a God can't give up His life and take it up again.
And hope you know that His spirit never died. Within the time, He preached to the spirits in prison.

Part 2.

Even Einstein’s Theory of Relativity
propound that it is possible for an event that happens in the future to affect the past.
So if science believes it and God is more powerful than science, what real issues do you have with the fact that the atonement of Christ could bring forgiveness to David.

It seems the bible beat Einstein to the theory of relativity.

Antichristian2:
No, it shows the salvation theory is false! David was forgiven after the Biblical adultery narrative with Bethsheba and there was no blood sacrifice! Was Jesus involved?

You guys sha!

Oga you are not making a point or you are choosing to see faults were there are none.

That the atonement of Christ was so powerful that it brought forgiveness to many even before the sacrifice of Christs shows its power.
It shows it is truly an eternal salvation that cuts across time.
Jesus Christ is the beginning and the end time is not a constraints to Him.
Where you see faults we see eternal and endless power that is not hindered by time.
Do you now understand Christianity better?
I know you don't believe but at least now, you should understand

Antichristian2:
I already know you can't solve the Problem! Your salvation theory is problematic, unexplainable and unrealistic as it is against sound reason, fairness and justice. You just hold on to it by faith!

God does not die!
Jesus died as a man!

A man can not save the world as one man can only have one soul!

Who is the only true God?
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. John 17:3

You assume a lot of things.
Jesus Christ died probing you wrong, God had the power to take His life and bring it back.
Jesus Christ has just one soul but He was able to save us all.
Why fo you think these things are impossible for God.
I understand you don't believe it but proving it did not happen is a different thing and you don't seem capable of doing it

Antichristian2:
So as a father you can kill your son to save others and that is your measure of love?

When Jesus told one man that his sins was forgiven, what does that statement mean? Matthew 9:2–8; Mark 2:3–12; Luke 5:18–26
Has Jesus died for his sins to be forgiven by Jesus at that time?

It tells you that the atonement of Jesus Christ cuts across time, it is not held back by constraints such as time.
The bible calls Him the Lamb slain before the world began so don't be surprised that many were blessed by His sacrifice even before the physical event. That is the power of God

Antichristian2:
Show us he was taught about repentance, where he asked for forgiveness and where he was forgiven in the Bible?

No, those standards are not available in the new testament. People were killed for murder, adultery, cursing parents, worshipping other Gods, etc. Your standards were dropped when Jesus came around!



How is the suffering equal to all human sufferings?
Jesus was a man not God! God does not suffer pains! Only man suffers punishment!

God does not die. Jesus died as a man so he can only die for a soul.

Your opinion, the bible called Him a God.
If you ask christians questions, then expect to get Christian answers.
God is able to give His life to save His people. If you want to know what God can and cannot do, look to Jesus Christ to learn don't just decide for yourself what God is not able to do.

gohf:
okay then YHVH is God of where again?

Did you not read that the Father and the Son are one? They form the Godhead that rule over the universe

gohf:
So Jesus as a God of? God of what?

Please as a clear question.
Jesus Christ is God of the whole universe

Dtruthspeaker:
As usual your Lies continue to flow even after Google has given the explanation. But because it is against your Lies and delushuns, you lie some more pretending that you don't know this

Ok good, when i begin to understand your point, I promise to respond to you

Dtruthspeaker:
Liar has come again with another Lie for it is Written "ye are of your father the devil" John 8:44,

A.I overview
Meaning: Jesus's statement means that their "father" is the devil because they are doing his works. He identifies the devil as the origin of lies and murder, and these individuals are acting in a way that is consistent with

As usual, no one understands your point.

Kenny242:
As an African looking to relocate within Africa…
Which country do you believe offers the best mix of stability, security, ease of doing business, and a beautiful life?

Rwanda and Mauritius are currently at the top of my list…
But I want to hear from people with real experiences.
Where would you choose, and why?

What kind if business are you looking to do.
Mauritius gets boring very quickly. And it is isolated so you are not able to move in and out as you will want. It is great if you offer tech services , have an online job or you are using it as your business location while you offer your services to a different country .

I prefer a country that isn't wealthy, very affordable, with good amenities, electricity, internet, good banking and smooth money transfer and with a sizable population for my market. At least 10 million people

Antichristian2:
1. If God is all-loving and forgiving, why didn’t He teach Adam to ask for forgiveness and forgive both himself and Eve? Since God created Adam and sin, shouldn’t He have established a system of forgiveness from the very beginning?

2. If God gave mankind laws in the Old Testament knowing that people would struggle to fully obey them, can God still be considered loving and just? Isn’t it said that God should not burden people beyond what they can bear?

3. If Jesus were to save even one person from eternal punishment in Hell, wouldn’t He need to endure an equivalent eternal punishment Himself? If He saves billions, does that mean He must spend billions of eternities in Hell? How can three days and three nights of death save billions from an eternal Hell? Where is the fairness in that?

You always ask the most beautiful question.
Unfortunately most Christians are too lazy to seek answers.

Remember , blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness.

Many Christians refuse to be hungry, they are satisfied with their very limited knowledge.

People like you remind us to hunger for more, you make us seek for answers.

Now to your questions

1. Who told you that God did not teach Adam about repentance and who told you that Adam is not forgiven.
Let us depend on what is revealed and not guess or assume.

2. This only shows that God is a loving Father. And He sets a very high standard for us His children both in the old and new testament. The standard is to be perfect like Him.
1 Peter 1.16
Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.”

He knows it is not the easiest task. As humans it is easier for us to live in sin nut He wants us to strive and give our best because He loves us . I believe you also set very high standards for your kids even though they many times fail. This is because you love them not because you hate them.

3. You are right, He suffered an eternal punishment, a suffering equal to all human suffering but as humans, we only understand dimensions like time.
All time is before God and it is not impossible for Jesus Christ to have paid the eternal price of all our sin in just 3 days

Lets begin with a verse

Psalm 2:7
I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

We read, " This day have I begotten thee."
Which fay is the Lord talking about ?

Before we continue, let us note that all humans, good or evil are offsprings of God.

Acts 17:29
Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

So if we all are His offsprings, why did the bible call Jesus Christ the only begotten Son?

We must understand that God is the Father of all our spirits. The bible clearly teaches that our spirits are begotten of Him.

Zechariah 12.1

The burden of the word of the Lord for Israel, saith the Lord, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

Our spirits were formed within Him. We came from Him and we came out of Him.

Our spirits are begotten of Him.

But Jesus Christ is not only begotten of Him in spirit, He is also the only begotten in the Flesh.

To be a begotten son of someone means to be born from that person’s own nature, sharing the same kind of life or essence—not adopted, created, or appointed, but generated from them.

Meaning of “begotten”

The word begotten means:

Brought forth by birth

Generated from one’s own being

Having the same kind of nature as the parent

In Scripture, begotten is different from created or adopted.

Jesus Christ unlike us did not have an earthly Father.

Our Father in heaven is also the Father of His flesh.

The angel revealed the process to Luke


Luke 1:35
And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Mary conceived because the power of the Highest overshadowed her.

The verse went on in logic to say, "therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."

Or simply explained, our Father in Heaven is the Father of the baby .

His was both begotten of the Father in spirit and Flesh.

So the title "only begotten son" is an acknowledgement of the fact that He is the only human who was directly Fathered by God in the flesh.

The question arises, what about Adam?
Like the rest of us, Adam's spirit came from God but unlike Jesus Christ, Adam's flesh came from dust.

We can say that Adam is a created son of God not a begotten son.

That's why when we give birth, we can say I have begotten a son we don't say, "I have crated a son."

Antichristian2:
If Jesus died as a man, then it seems unfair that one man could atone for the sins of the entire world. Shouldn't it be a soul for a soul?

If it is claimed that Jesus died as God, we must remember that God is eternal and does not die.

And if it is suggested that Jesus was a hermaphroditic God-man, this concept is problematic because the state of being both God and man simultaneously is contradictory—God does not die, but man does.

Furthermore, according to the Bible, Eve ate the forbidden fruit before Adam. So why do we only hear about "Adam's sin" and not "Eve's sin"?

I have already addressed your concerns above but i just wanted to comment and commend you. You always have thoughtful and insightful questions. We need more of that and more people like you. I only pray that one day, you will see clearly and understand better.

Antichristian2:
So how is it fair for God to sacrifice someone else for Adam's sin?

Its so fair. Jesus Christ willingly gave Himself.
The Father did this Out of love so not only is it fair, it is also the greatest show of love

Antichristian2:
If Jesus died as a man, then it seems unfair that one man could atone for the sins of the entire world. Shouldn't it be a soul for a soul?

If it is claimed that Jesus died as God, we must remember that God is eternal and does not die.

And if it is suggested that Jesus was a hermaphroditic God-man, this concept is problematic because the state of being both God and man simultaneously is contradictory—God does not die, but man does.

Furthermore, according to the Bible, Eve ate the forbidden fruit before Adam. So why do we only hear about "Adam's sin" and not "Eve's sin"?

No need to confuse yourself, He had the power to atone for the sins of all mankind. And in His words, He had the power to give up His life and take it up again.
Our Father in heaven did not need to send billions of people to atone for everyone that ever lived, His Son Jesus Christ had the power to take up every human sin and pay the price.

Now, can a God die?
We learn from Jesus Christ that as a God, He had the power to give up His life and take it up again.

I understand you have your opinion of what a God can and can't do but Jesus Christs sacrifice answers that for you and I

Dtruthspeaker:
This one cannot counter

We counter falsehoods not madness. You are right, I don't have the cure for foolishness so i don't counter it. I am here to discuss the bible not to discuss foolishness

Dtruthspeaker:
There isn't any valid thing you could say anymore so you resort to abuse

When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser Socrates

Not really, i do that when the other person stops making Sense. No need to engage madness

malali:
The United States should get its facts straight before casting a shadow over a sovereign nation like Nigeria. Allegations of oil theft and transnational crime demand evidence, not inference. A vessel flying an illegal flag, with opaque ownership layers and a history of name changes, does not automatically translate to Nigerian culpability, especially when NIMASA confirms the ship is not Nigerian-flagged, not on Nigeria’s registry, and the alleged owner is not registered as a Nigerian shipping company.

Hearsay is not proof. Maritime cases rise or fall on documents, registries, bills of lading, AIS data, sanctions filings, and named beneficiaries. If there are Nigerians involved, name them. If there is bunkering, trace the barrels. Until then, restraint is not weakness—it is rule of law.

Nigeria’s Senate should formally invite the U.S. Ambassador to explain, on the record, how the conclusion “Nigerian-owned” was reached when the facts point to flag hopping and shell structures, the classic smoke screen of illicit shipping.

Accountability is welcome. Careless attribution is not.

Believe the Nigerian government at your own peril. Your government has been deceiving you since 1960 but somehow, you come out to defend them for free.

Dtruthspeaker:
Revelation 14:13 has already answered you
“Blessed are the dead which die"

Go and argue with Daniel 12:2, 1 Thessalonians 4:16 Isaiah 26:19 and Revelation 20:12-13.

I have taught but you prefer ignorance to knowledge, it is well.

Dtruthspeaker:
See it, it says "In hope" not in death.

But 27 says it is the "soul in hell" or death as Revelations 20:12/13 Said.

This one is confused

Dtruthspeaker:
More Lying.

What is absent in body?

Your Acts 2;27 already answered you saying the Soul.

And who is present with The Lord?

Daniel 12:2, 1 Thessalonians 4:16 Isaiah 26:19 and Revelation 20:12- have already answered saying the Soul

So when you are absent from the body, you don't have to be in jail, you can be with the Lord

Dtruthspeaker:
You mocked God and John Who revealed to John saying the slain souls crying for justice are "sleep talking". So this one is not my business

Oga, your spirit doesn't sleep, it is the body that is unconscious that's why the spirit bis still able to talk. Learn

Dtruthspeaker:
Now even Google calls you a Liar

AI Overview
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The process of a body turning into "dust" is the final stage of natural decomposition,

And this dead man's body is asleep and unconscious?

https://www.nairaland.com/7327028/remnants-decomposed-body-man-found#116556365

See, how the mountain of Lies you have raised in 24hours, yet you say you have repented.

Oga are you ok? That's all i can say here

Dtruthspeaker:
Now you are Lying against God and the Bible that He did not put a time of 120years limit, before He leaves man?

Men, you are not redeemable. That is why you can never repent

In my bible God never put a tine limit of 129byears before He leaves man. You are writing your own bible.
The spirit of God leaves man when He commits sin. It doesn't wait for 120 years

Dtruthspeaker:
For you to say "that's my opinion" is proof you are wrong. For everything I said is precisely in the scripture and you could not counter it.

Thus, your spirit called soul is imprisoned by death whether you are a saint or not as upheld by Daniel 12:2, 1 Thessalonians 4:16 and co have expressly stated with no ambiguity

At death the spirits of the righteous are not in prisoned or in bondage but at peace

Isaiah 57:1–2
“The righteous is taken away from the evil to come… he shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds.”

Death is not imprisonment, it is rest

Hebrews 4:9–10

“There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.”

2 Thessalonians 1:7

“And to you who are troubled rest with us…”

Revelation 14:13

“Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord… that they may rest from their labors; and their works do follow them.”

Dtruthspeaker:
Now mockings have begun.

Anyway go and ask John that one cos this thread shows that it is you who said the spirit of the slain saints are sleep walking.

Again, this verse clears it up it is your flesh that sleeps not your spirit

Acts 2:26–27
“My flesh shall rest in hope… thou wilt not leave my soul in hell.”

Dtruthspeaker:
Now mockings have begun.

Anyway go and ask John that one cos this thread shows that it is you who said the spirit of the slain saints are sleep walking.

This one verse proves everything you believe is wrong

2 Corinthians 5:8
“Absent from the body… present with the Lord.”

At death, we are not captive or sleeping, we are present with the Lord

Dtruthspeaker:
Now mockings have begun.

Anyway go and ask John that one cos this thread shows that it is you who said the spirit of the slain saints are sleep walking.

John is not on your side. It was John's revelations that showed that the spirits of the dead are not sleeping. It is the flesh that sleeps.

But back to the Genesis 3,
If the spirit of Gid stopped being with man in Genesis 3, then it cant be the same spirit that leaves man at death, it definitely must be another spirit.

Unless somewhere after Genesis 3, the spirit returned

Dtruthspeaker:
The Bible already stated that the body turns to dust as we have seen, so clearly you are Lying when you say it is the body that sleeps and Samuel's spirit just proves you are Big Liar as the Bible shows that it was the spirit who slept.

Yet, you say you have repented

Another foolish point, the body turns to dust actually shows that it is the body that sleeps. It becomes unconscious

Dtruthspeaker:
See, how you have entered over drive in your Lyings.

I also said Genesis 6: 3 put a time on it (where you dishonesty chose to pretend not to see or know this popular part of where God Said His Spirit will stay with man for 120years)

And now see how you disgrace yourself because of your attempt to tell more Lies in pretending again not see that "My spirit will not be always be in man" means He is in man already which Genesis 2:7 confirms and John 1:4?

See how your Lies are mountaining up. Continue

Oga there is no time on it it is in God's unchangeable nature, He cant dwell in sin.
Learn.
Again if the spirit of God left man in Genesis 3, is it another spirit that leaves man and goes back to God at death or that same spirit that left in Genesis 3.
Confused boy