₦airaland Forum

Ohyoudidnt:
Another one of your misguided mischief.
According to authentic Islamic teachings, babies and young children who die before reaching the age of maturity are not held accountable for sins because they have not reached an age where they are capable of understanding and being responsible for their actions.

Is this another one of your Hatun type lies?

You can argue with the mother of you Muslims and your prophet

Sahih Muslim 2662 c
'A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said:
Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of Paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because Allah created for Paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins.


So this is another Maudu Hadith!?

Ohyoudidnt:
Don t mind them. Just as the antichrist will come and look like the Christ and they will believe he is the Christ. Also pretending to be the God they worship.

You obviously don't know that Mohammed is one of the major Antichrists to come.

He replaced God with himself as "The Praised One"


Tell me, who is the praised One other than God.

He also associated himself with your Allah as you cannot say the Shahada without Mohammed's name.

Mohammed is the Pseudo-Messiah , the False-Messiah

AntiChristian:
Empowerment to pregnancy!

Empowerment to Incarnation!

The Word became Human and dwelt amongst us!
What a love that God has for us unworthy humans!

Qasim6:
I am going to be lenient with you and save you some embarrassment and allow you crawl back into your hole on this one.

Probably this will be the last we will be seeing this your "Jibril blew into Mary Vigina" because I was told you have been asking the question for ages and you probably will keep asking it till you die.

Are you tongue tied?

The same demon is in both you and your prophet when they asked him about the spirit. We are still waiting for his answer till date.


I just gave you a challenge, break YOUR two words وَجَعَلْنَـٰهَا and وَٱبْنَهَآ down so that I can humiliate your further

Qasim6:
We both know the religion that was built on lies, forgeries and deception.

Of course both of us know that the Religion that had peddled lies of almost everything is the false religion
1. There is only one Quran
2. Scientific miracles in the Qur'an
3. Qur'an is the exact word of Allah
4. The Qur'an is perfectly preserved up to it's diacritical marks
5. Allah initially enjoined for Muslims 50 prayers per day

Only Allah allows Prostitution for Muslims
Only in Islam can a Prophet Abrogate the words of his Allah

Qasim6:
Like unknown Matthew and Luke forging the document of an unknown Mark and another unknown John just making up words in his head and putting them in Jesus mouth. Not to talk of the countless numbers of interpolation.

You are the one in a spiritual prison.

Unfortunately, Allah was uneducated enough to say otherwise about the gospel.

Who is to be blamed, you whose knowledge and wisdom exceed that of Allah and your prophet?

It's just a question!

Qasim6:
You yourself should take your breakdown of those two words and put it back in the statement and see if you arrive at your earlier translation, because you just break down "وَجَعَلْنَـٰهَا" as "and we made it".

Go get a refund from your amateur tutor and you should probably get him/her arrested for embarrassing you!

I console you this early morning for your pain in this.

I just gave you a challenge, break YOUR two words وَجَعَلْنَـٰهَا and وَٱبْنَهَآ down so that I can humiliate your further

Must you insist on Falsehood and Lies to keep Islam alive?

Qasim6:
Obo n'gbe Obo gun Ope. Make Una two dey deceive Una self

I am on Nairaland to help you open your eyes to the 419 document of Islam through Mohammed (aka Allah) that has been sold to you.


Why do you think your scholars lie so much to preserve Islam?

It is the spirit of deception that Deceives you from the Messiah to hell and it's prison that prevents you from coming out of it.
Thus
1. The thing is that Islam is first a spiritual deception
2. Then it is a spiritual prison


But would you stop to think? Most likely not!
Thus I can only pray for you for mercy!

Qasim6:
Why not just concede you made an awful gaffe and stop all this nonsense cover-up you are doing?

Awon dishonest bunch that just want to win argument at all cost.

Khai!

I have beaten you blue back with evidence in Arabic (thanks to my teachers). I broke it to you like teaching a toddler the language of Arabic.

Even though you have no answer to the Truth, you must say something to help the cause of Allah and Islam taking you to Hell fire.

I challenge you to prove my breakdown of the two words وَجَعَلْنَـٰهَا and وَٱبْنَهَآ YOU presented as wrong!

gaskiyamagana:
Say something sensible, not insane.

Yes my brother,
Only at death would majority of you Muslims discover that you have followed the Antichrist rather than the Messiah!

With respect to God, something being simple to comprehend does not make it correct.


Tell me which of these is sensible and not insane about Islam?
-Is Kunfayakun sensible to natural logic?
-Is Mohammed going to the heavens on Al-Burak sensible to natural logic?
-Is Your Jibril having six hundreds wings is sensible to natural logic?
-Is it natural for Jibril to open up your prophets chest and wash it with ZamZam water?
-Is it sensible that Angels are afraid of dogs?
- Is it sensible or logical that Jibril has 600 wings?
-Is it sensible that Adam will appear to Mohammed and When he looked towards his right, he laughed and when he looked towards his left he wept?

In trying to manufacture a God after your whims, Islam arrived at Allah who is not Omnipresent nor Omniscient nor Omnipotent.

gaskiyamagana:
When your God fought with Jacob and defeated did your God stop being God, even God of Jacob as some of you used to say?

Mr Liar!
I challenge you to shamefully show the verse where "God was defeated by Jacob" in the Bible.

We don't need to tell lies against Allah nor tell lies against Mohammed to make any point as your books betray you!

Again, as an intellectually dishonest person, show me the verse

Qasim6:
Your case is beyond redemption!

You just want to make up whatever you want then debunk it then lie to yourself you are debunking Islam?

Professor why did you translate fi-ha "فِيهَا" to "into it" and decided to translate wajaealna-ha "وَجَعَلْنَـٰهَا" and waibna-ha "وَٱبْنَهَآ" differently?

And also do well to tell us what the correct Arabic word should have been if it is "into her"

Your Arabic should be superior to what you are doing now.

The Arabic word "وَجَعَلْنَـٰهَا" is "wa ja'alnāhā." which means "And We made it."

It is three words where
"wa" means "and."
"ja'alnā" means "We made."
"hā" means "it."




The word "وَٱبْنَهَآ" is "wa ibnahā." meaning "And her son."

"wa" means[b] "and."[/b]
"ibn" means "son" or "child."
"hā" means "her" ( or "it" but the subject is son or child such tha "it" is not used for humans)

For Mary, the subject was non-human (even if we put all your preferred words of sleeve or chastity or vulva or Farjiha or private part), such that "ha" is "IT"




How much will you pay me for learning all these Arabic from my Arabic teacher?

AntiChristian:
Holy spirit came upon Samson to kill people many times! That's empowerment and anointing!

At least you now know that the phrase means empowerment!
This is sufficient for me!

SIRTee15:
I'm beginning to suspect this AntiChristian.
He has engaged enough and long time with Christians here to know Islam is false.

I can bet deep within him he knows Muhammed is a false prophet and never spoke to any angel.
We have shown him countless times the problematic theology in Islam but yet remains obstinate.

I'm beginning to think he's benefiting from Islam. Only God knows if he's the treasurer of one Haj pilgrimage committee. The financial gain he's getting from Islam would not allowed him leave the religion.

1. The thing is that Islam is first a spiritual deception
2. Then it is a spiritual prison

Apart from those who benefit from Islam, ALL Muslims emotionally truly want islam to be true even if they have to fabricate a lie to convince themselves

Qasim6:
Engaging you is a waste of time!

Professor of Arabic studies are you telling us the correct translation of the verse should have been

so We breathed into IT through Our angel, making IT and ITS son a sign for all peoples.

rather than
so We breathed into her through Our angel, making her and her son a sign for all peoples.

Just stop embarrassing yourself already!


And yes furuja-hum and farja-ha are the same word, furuja-hum is just the plural form since the subject "men" is plural.

So I'm asking again do men now have viginas?

This is the correct translation below
Quran 21:91
And the one who guarded her vulva, so We breathed into it through Our angel, making her and her son a sign for all peoples.

Are these two wrong interpretations?

1. The Arabic word "فُرُوجَهُمْ" ("furūjuhum" which translates to "their private parts" or "their genitals" in English.
2. The term "فَحْجَة" (fahjaha) in Arabic refers to a woman's private part of the vulva

Meaning that "furūjuhum" and "fahjaha" refers to PRIVATE PARTS. "furūjuhum" is Plural while "fahjaha" is singular FEMALE


The Private part of a Woman is called either VULVA or VAGINA!
This was what your Jibril BLEW into!

Ohyoudidnt:
My answer clearly shows how stupid and unworthy of answer your poorly thought our questions are.

Why shouldn't destiny be fulfilled? Don't you claim it was Isaac that was destined for a covenant and hold on to it?

Do you not also claim Jesus fulfils destiny to die for your sins?

Is your Jud 1:6 not in the light of Isaiah 14:12-15 and Ezekiel 28:12-17 which depict the fall of satan and his followers?

I see the Bible authors were not knowledgeable enough to distinguish between angels and Jinn.

If a BABY would go to Hell Fire, why?
Is it not because of the destiny of Allah?


Islam can only fabricate lies to cover up for the illogicality of their theology

AntiChristian:
I don't think I need to reply you any longer after this.

The appeared as a perfect man. What's illogical in this? Your own angel can appear and fight Jacob yet lose! How did he lose?

The Angel was sent to make give Mary the news of Jesus son of Mary and the Angel blew in to the sleeves of her garment!

How did he blow you can check your favourite porn film! You can also look for how the holy spirit cum upon her plus how the power of the most high overshadowed her!

On this topic bye!

Repeating a lie a million times would NEVER make it the Truth.

The Islamic Jibril blew into Mary's Vulva!
WHat is his mouth doing on Mary's private part?

Don't forget that he looks perfectly human!

Ohyoudidnt:
You see your problems? There is predestination but who fulfills the destiny; predestination or the individual predestined?
Unfortunately how angels record is another of the unseen things which you want to know despite being merely a created mortal human. The recording angels have a method, by Allah’s permission, to know and record a person's deeds without needing to be in every physical space a person occupies.

See how you exposed the illogicality in your religion again!
Does Destiny need to be fulfilled?

If it does, explain why your Prophet said that a BABY can be of the people of Hell Fire?


Note that you didn't answer any of my three questions.

Ohyoudidnt:
Again you show your stupidity. Was Iblis banished for just refusing to bow before Adam indeed there were other acts of arrogance and disobedience.

Ohyoudidnt:
Another stupid extension is Eve an angel too? Oh you are one of those that call women angels, I see your similarity with the ignorant pre-islamic Arabs.

See how you trap yourself.
You said: Is Eve an Angel?
So, you clearly recognized that the instruction of Allah was just for the Angels ALONE

Therefore both Eve and Iblis are exempt as they are not angels.

Ohyoudidnt:
Glad you are getting to comprehend your own theological confusion. I don't know why your Bible failed to clearly identity that there exist angels other than the ones referred to in Psalm 103:20-21: Bless the Lord, you His angels, who excel in strength, who do His word, heeding the voice of His word.

Surah Al-Baqarah (2:34) does not state that Iblis was an angel. Rather, the Qur'an makes it clear in other verses that Iblis was a jinn.

Who are the separate heedless angels?

Will you apologise for saying that which you don't know about the fallen Angels?
2Pet 2:4:
"For God did not spare those Angels who sinned, but instead delivered them, as if dragged down by infernal ropes, into the torments of the underworld, to be reserved unto judgment."

Jud 1:6:
"And truly, the Angels, who did not keep to their first place, but instead abandoned their own domiciles, he has reserved with perpetual chains under darkness, unto the great day of judgment."


If Iblis and Eve were NOT angels, why was Iblis punished for doing nothing wrong?

AntiChristian:
What we are informed by Allah is that he appeared as a man and did those things he did! We do not say what is unfounded in the texts. All those spacious arguments do Angels breath will lead to do they have lungs? Are their lungs like ours?

He didn't become a man! It's not comical at all to me!

Can you talk about how Jacob beat the hell out of your Angel when you claim they should be better than humans?

If Jibril came as a perfect man, does it not imply that he is 100% indistinguishable from any man?


If Jibril came to Mary naked, would Mary not run and screen?

If Jibril did not have mouth, teeth and tongues, would he be perfect?

I just extended your illogicality and you are now complaining?

Too bad.

So, can you explain how Jibril put his mouth on Mary's Farjiha to blow into it?

SIRTee15:
Holy spirit come upon prophets to manifest his work.

Acts 1.8
[i]But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.

Judges 14.6
The Spirit of the LORD came powerfully upon Samson so that he tore the lion apart with his bare hands as he might have torn a young goat. But he told neither his father nor his mother what he had done.

Isaiah 42.1
Behold my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen, in whom my soul delights; I have put my Spirit upon him; he will bring forth justice to the nations.

Isaiah 61.1
The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me, because the Lord has anointed me to bring good news to the poor; he has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to those who are bound;

Isaiah 11:2
2 The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him— the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of might, the Spirit of the knowledge and fear of the LORD

Judges 3
10 The Spirit of the LORD came on him, so that he became Israel’s judge and went to war. The LORD gave Cushan-Rishathaim king of Aram into the hands of Othniel, who overpowered him.

1 Chronicles 12:18-20
18 Then the Spirit came upon Amasai, chief of the Thirty, and he said: “We are yours, David! We are with you, son of Jesse! Success, success to you, and success to those who help you, for your God will help you.” So David received them and made them leaders of his raiding bands.

Numbers 11
16 The Lord answered Moses, “Bring Me 70 men from Israel known to you as elders and officers of the people. Take them to the tent of meeting and have them stand there with you. 17 Then I will come down and speak with you there. I will take some of the Spirit who is on you and put the Spirit on them. They will help you bear the burden of the people, so that you do not have to bear it by yourself.
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These are verses where the Holy spirit came upon people to manifest his mighty work. There's nothing disturbing about it and there's nothing about Holy spirit coming upon Mary that's disturbing.

But I find it very disturbing that a Man sent by God would blow under a woman's garment to perform miracle.
That's very gross.

A Donkey will carry a whole library on its back yet reman totally ignorant. This is the case of Antichristian and others on the fact that the Holy Spirit comes upon people for empowerment purpose: it is also called the anointing

Qasim6:
Why do you just love embarrassing yourself up and down like this?

The same word was used for men in Qur'an 33:35. Do men now have viginas?

Muslims will never stop embarrassing themselves with deep fabrications just to sustain their lies.
In Qur'an 33:35, I guess you didn't check that

The Arabic word "فُرُوجَهُمْ" ("furūjuhum" translates to "their private parts" or "their genitals" in English.

The term "فَحْجَة" (fahjaha) in Arabic refers to a woman's private part of the vulva

Either way, it's not chastity nor garment not sleeves.

Just give me five Arabic sentences using the word fahjaha and translate.

Qasim6:
The verse says she guarded her farjaha and we breath into her...... Without indicating if it is through any opening whatsoever.

The fact that I quoted your Qur'an translation does not mean that I don't know what it says.

It says we breathe into IT and not we breathe into her.

Qasim6:
The best way to translate farjaha is chastity or private part, and what the verse is telling us is that she was not promiscuous and her conception was indeed miraculous.

Chastity is not an IT
Vulva is an IT

In Qur'an 21:91, the word "فِيهَا" "fīhā" translates to "in it" or "into it" in English and not INTO HER



Fabricate something else: I am waiting!

Ohyoudidnt:
Do angels exist at the side of every human recording his or her deeds?

Another problem with the theology of Islam.

1. Why do Angels need to record the deeds of humans when Allah is supposed to have recorded every deed in his book of destiny?
2. It seems that it is actually a fabrication to say that Allah is all-knowing when he still need his angels to record the deeds of men! Why do you think the angels are recording what Allah already knows? Are humans going to be judged by Allah or the Angels?
3. You forget that the Islamic Angels CANNOT enter into the Toilet: how would they record all the fornications and Adulteries commited in the Toilets all over the world?

Just three questions!

Ohyoudidnt:
Surely you won't discern the answer. I pointed out in asking you if Iblis is an angel? Then was it immediately after the failure to bow that he was cast out?

Quran 18:50 clearly identifies Iblis not bowing and the reason why he didn't bow.

Do angels exist at the side of every human recording his or her deeds?

All dogs were told to bark but the cat did not bark, so the cat was flogged for disobeying a direct instruction.


Allah was very clear: the instruction was given to the angels to prostrate to Adam.

Tell me, did the Jinn (Iblis) or the Angels tell Allah that the humans Allah wanted to create will cause mischief?


Sorry, your theology is messed up. If Iblis was not an Angel, he cannot be guilty of the instruction he didn't violate.

Let me ask you,
Did Eve also prostrate to Adam or she wasn't created yet?


Quran 2:34
And when We said to the angels, "Prostrate before Adam"; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He refused and was arrogant and became of the disbelievers.

Allah said: he spoke to the Angels, he did not say he spoke to the Angels and Jinn!

AntiChristian:
Yes. All creatures that feeds has a need for it! So if Angels eat, they should also be able to urinate and shit out the waste!

Yes, eating is not embedded by Allah in their operating system.

Yeah, more like Jacob beating the hell out of an angel!

K. Now you can rest well after enough diversion from the thread!

If I get you correctly, when Jibril became or appeared as a perfect man, he did not breathe, because only humans breathe.

He did not speak using his mouth/tongue because angels don't speak with physical mouths. Do angels have tongues and teeths?

He did not put on any dress as Angels do not put on clothings made of cotton or hides! Do angels need to put on human clothes?

I remember that Jibril did not put on shoes as only humans need to put on shoes. Do angels need to put on shoes?




Can you see how comical your position is!?

Ohyoudidnt:
Angels are on earth performing various functions however they are amongst the things of the unseen.

You need to know is Iblis an angel or was he?
The nature of Jinn is definitely not as that of angels.

You will notice that you refused to answer the questions presented to give your own

I said:
Were angels cast down to earth with Iblis according to your religion?

Can you say with your full chest that angels belong to the earth?


Tell me, who did Allah ask to prostrate to Adam, was it the Angels or the Jinn?

Your mischievous misconception of the nature of Angels and Demons is what is causing you pains now.

AntiChristian:
That's what is in your Bible! Angels can eat, procreate and fight humans and lose!

To you, Angels can EAT mean Angels need to EAT!?

AntiChristian:
In Islam they don't eat! In the Bible they can do everything a human can do even die like Jesus and maybe rise up again!

You should say that in Islam, Angels CANNOT eat even if they are in a position to eat.

AntiChristian:
Having tooth and tongue doesn't mean they can chew! A whale has tongue and tooth but doesn't use them in feeding!
An Angel appears as a man but is not a man!

If in Islam angels can appear as Perfect a Perfect man, it means that in that state, whatever a man can do, they can and even more.

But , what can I say
Allah is limited, he is NOT Omnipotent nor Omniscient nor Omnipresent

How much more Allah's Angels who are even more limited! Islamic Angels are not very different from the Angels known by Abraham.

This distinction is enough for me!

AntiChristian:
They don't eat because they don't need nourishment to survive! They only resemble men in appearance and are not really human!

Jesus needed to grow up as well as your angels! So they needed to eat, be able to copulate as well as die like any other humans!

Muslims can twist words to propagate lies: who says angels needed to eat. Where did you read it as a claim by Jews or Christians?

They don't eat and they can't eat are two different things!

Are you saying that the perfect Jibril didn't have teeth and tongues to eat if he decides to?

Ohyoudidnt:
Hebrews 1:14 Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?

Do these angels remain in heaven serving those who will inherit salvation?

Were angels cast down to earth with Iblis according to your religion?

Can you say with your full chest that angels belong to the earth?

AntiChristian:
That's your biblical angels!

Not ours!

Those angels stationed on earth are still heavenly beings to you!

Abeg! He don do!

Those angels are earthly angels according to Antichristian as their permanent abode is Mecca and Medina!
SMH!

AntiChristian:
You accused me of telling lies when you can't bring out the word "heavenly beings" from any islamic text! And you want me to answer you?

I even tried giving you a response!

If angels bare not heavenly beings, they must be earthly beings!

Muslims can lie for the continent of Africa

AntiChristian:
Abraham practiced strict monotheism not trinity! He never knew Jesus as God, part of God or son of God! And he was against polytheism! Allah says he's a Muslim, a "Hanif", a Muslim and he's not of those who associates god with God!

Islam is the religion of all Prophets!

Repeating the same things doesn't make it the truth.

Abraham did eat with Angels: Islamic angels cannot eat even if they wanted to.

Meaning that the Angels of Islam are different from that of Abraham

SIRTee15:
I find it very disturbing that an Angel blew into Mary's garment.
what is Angel's business with a women's privacy?

Tell him to give you every synonyms for
1. Sleeve
2. Garments
3. Womb
and see if he would arrive at Farjaha

Tell Antichristian to give you five Arabic sentences with the word Farjaha
Lets see if anyone will give the meaning as sleeve or garment


Farjiha means only one thing in Arabic: Female Vulva or Vagina


Tafsir Ibn Kathir Quran 66:11-12
(And We breathed into it (private part) through Our Ruh,) meaning, through the angel Jibril. Allah sent the angel Jibril to Maryam, and he came to her in the shape of a man in every respect. Allah commanded him to blow into a gap of her garment and that breath went into her womb through her private part; this is how `Isa was conceived. This is why Allah said here,

(And We breathed into it through Our Ruh, and she testified to the truth of her Lords Kalimat, and His Kutub,) meaning His decree and His legislation.

Tafsir Quran 66.10-12 Maududi - Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi - Tafhim al-Qur'an
That is, without her having any connection with a man, Allah breathed into her womb a Spirit from Himself. (For explanation, see E.N.'s 212, 213 of An-Nisa' and E.N. 89 of Al-Anbiya').

Reference for the two Tafsirs above https://quranx.com/tafsirs/66.12

Lies that Muslims cannot tell doesn't exist yet

gaskiyamagana:
I pity those who are engaging you in discussion about Islam and futiley wanted to convince you, anti Islam robotically programed.

Because Islam is a corrupted Arian religion serving Baal without knowing because the greatest Deceiver has imprisoned their reasoning faculty.

Only at death would majority discover that they have followed the Antichrist rather than the Messiah!