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gaskiyamagana:
The angel sent as man to Marry is your headache about Islam, your biblical God that fought with Jacob as a man and was even defeated by Jacob didn't concern you, abi?

Not one bit. Because when my son was a toddler, I allow him beat me in wrestling match.

Too bad for Islam: incoherent collection of lies and fabrications that cannot withstand small questioning.

When Jibril became a man, did he stop being an angel?

AntiChristian:
I was thinking you wilk show where the word heavenly beings appear in the Qur'an or Sunnah but you just confirmed it was your holy spirit derived interpretation which is wrong! There's nothing like "heavenly beings" in Islam.

Angels are not stationed only in heaven! Some are with us protecting us, some writing our deeds, etc. Are they earthly beings since they are with us?

And I mentioned Malik the gatekeeper of hell!

We talk only about what happened and what is clearly apparent! Allah can do all things! He sent Angel Jubril a d he appeared as a man to Mary to deliver Allah's message to her!


Good!
Please Four Questions
1. When the Jibril became appeared as Human: Did he Stop being an Angel?
2. When the WORD of Allah became appeared as Human: Did he Stop being the Word of Allah?
3. When the SPIRIT of Allah became appeared as Human: Did he Stop being the Spirit from Allah?

4. Do you doubt that Jesus was a spirit, word before he was born of Mary?

Quran 4:171
O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not “Trinity”: desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

Muslims are a bunch of people who will insist that a WRONG is RIGHT even when you show them evidence from what they have said.
On this I rest my case!

Conveniently, you avoided the four questions I asked!
Ba damu'a!

AntiChristian:
Is that not obvious? Stop all this asinine questions!

You are afraid to say the obvious: it isn't a contradiction,

I hope your conscience is speaking to you!

AntiChristian:
So since you know all this why all the trouble?

Angels can eat and bleep when they come to earth. This makes Jesus and God too qualify to do same when they come to earth!

This is against the Islamic belief and doesn't even make sense!

No problem.
It just shows that it is Taqqiya to call Islam the religion of Abraham.

AntiChristian:
An angel in the appearance of a man!

You did NOT answer the question:

Is this a contradiction that the Man Mary saw was an angel?

Ohyoudidnt:
Fundamentally unless you want to produce new findings. Jibril and other angels appear for limited time in whichever form unlike Jesus who went through the period of pregnancy and was born.

Jesus ate, drank, slept and performed human functions but Jibril didn't and generally angels neither eat nor drink.

The word of God, his command, created light and so many things yet these are not God or are they? These are manifestation of his command. Flesh is a result of God commanding it into existence.

Jubril didnt change to a man simply because he looks like a man is very correct but you and your partner appear to spin different with your misconception of appearance as a man.




Are emotions physical seen and able to eat, drink, sleep and others? Please do grant me this ability to physically see emotions and interact with them as I do with physical beings.

An emotion is intangible or isn't it?

Islamic Angels seem to be different from the Angels known by Abraham and Moses.

Abraham will tell you that he entertained Angels with food?
Abraham served three angels a feast of bread, milk, butter, and a calf in Genesis 18:1–8



Indeed not only is
Allah different from YHWH
Isa different from Jesus
Islamic Paradise different from the Paradise of Jesus
and the Angels of Allah is different from the Angels of YHWH!

Tellmeastory:
YOU REASON LIKE A PATHETIC, DISGUSTING SLAVE.

SELLOUT UNCLE TOM PIG.

IF SHE IS DISPLAYING HER HATRED FOR BLACKS AND HER NIGERIAN HERITAGE, HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY DIDN’T APPOINT HER TO CARRY OUT SOMETHING BAD AGAINST YOU AND YOUR PEOPLE IN FUTURE?

EMPTY-HEADED DUNCE.

SO EASY TO USE, MANIPULATE, DECEIVE AND BRAINWASH YOU DISGRACE OF A PEOPLE.

You didn't disappoint me one bit as a brute mule is not prone to reason!
Have a great night!

AntiChristian:
She saw a man!

But the Man Mary saw was an angel!

Is this a contradiction?

AntiChristian:
Only a fools calls one a liar without even understanding ones position! What does heavenly beings mean? It has no meaning in Islam. Allah is above the heavens and rose over His throne! Call angels Angels! Call God God! Call Allah Allah! And angels are stationed everywhere Allah wills them to be. Malik is the gatekeeper of hell! Is Malik an heavenly being?
If you don't understand one's position just desist from putting the lies on me! As far as I know you are the ignorant liar here!

It seem you forgot so son what you said:
You said: "We don't have heavenly beings in Islam!"
Quran 7:11
Surely We created you, then shaped you, then said to the angels, “Prostrate before Adam,” so they all did—but not Iblîs, who refused to prostrate with the others.


Please where is Paradise according to Islam? Is it in heaven or on earth or somewhere else?

Please, where is Bait-ul-Ma'mur? Is it on earth?

Sahih Muslim 164a
the rivers of Paradise, and as regards the two manifest ones, they are the Nile and the Euphrates. Then the Bait-ul-Ma'mur was raised up to me. I said: O Gabriel! what is this? He replied: It is the Bait-ul-Ma'mur. Seventy thousand angels enter into it daily and, after they come out, they never return again. Two vessels were then brought to me.

Is it untrue that Seventy thousand angels enter into Bait-ul-Ma'mur daily and, after they come out, they never return again. ?

Are these Angels not heavenly Beings?

Are there not SEVEN heavens according to your prophet?

AntiChristian:
Allah is All-Powerful and once again this seems to me to be a foolish question since you know Allah has power to do all things! But of what use is an angel becoming a man when man is already available in his place?

Did Allah tell you that Jibril wasnt perfectly human when he appeared to Mary or you are just cooking up what you think?
If Allah is ALL powerful, can't he make Jibril everysense a man?

AntiChristian:
Angels do not become men! Angel Jubril and Angel of death to be specific, temporary appears as men to whoever Allah wills.

They are perfect men in appearance i.e. they have all what a normal man has!

Good!
Please Four Questions
1. When the Jibril became appeared as Human: Did he Stop being an Angel?
2. When the WORD of Allah became appeared as Human: Did he Stop being the Word of Allah?
3. When the SPIRIT of Allah became appeared as Human: Did he Stop being the Spirit from Allah?

4. Do you doubt that Jesus was a spirit, word before he was born of Mary?

Quran 4:171
O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not “Trinity”: desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

For once, Omokri spoke some facts

If Kemi truly want to become the future Prime Minister of UK, she should use her senses and avoid associations that can derail her mission.

There is TIME for Everything
A time to SPEAK and a time to be SILENT!

Kemi had chosen wisely!

AntiChristian:
They are not!

Is it untrue then that Mary saw a Physical Jibril?

AntiChristian:
Yes, he appeared as a perfect man!

So, is it true that while Jibril appeared as a perfect man (indistinguishable from a human man) he still was an Angel?

AntiChristian:
We don't have heavenly beings in Islam! They are Angels. They can not become human! They can appear as human!
Jesus was born human by a human woman! Angels only appear as a human! They are not born!

Becoming a man is not the same as appearing as a man!

This is false! Prophet Muhammad saw Angel Gabriel in its true form by Allah's permission! And no human ever achieved this feat as far as i know!

You are the one who can't differentiate between "becoming a man" and "appearing as a man"!

Antichrists Antichristian: why do Muslims tell lies every time as if their life depend on it?

If Angels are NOT Heavenly beings, are you saying that All the stories of your Prophet when he ascended on the Al_Burak with Jibril to the first, secon d, third, fourth, fifth, sixth and seventh heaven are pure lies?

Angels must be earthly beings then! LOL!!


Secondly,
You said that Angels CANNOT become human!
Is it because of the powerlessness of Allah?

If Angels become appear as PERFECT Humans, do they have indistinguishable Human Flesh, Human Blood, Human Organs etc?

Ohyoudidnt:
No you are misunderstanding my answer. That the angels were not in their heavenly nature doesn't equate to them becoming human.

Angel Jibril never became a man but took the appearance of a man towards enabling communication.

Are you trying to claim there are records of angel Jibril eating or doing manly activities or worse?

What does it mean that an entity (Jibril) appeared as a PERFECT MAN?
Does it mean that such[b] an entity (Jibril)[/b] is INDISTINGUISHABLE from a Human Being?

NOETHNICITY:
Another ignorant man spotted
So you don’t know Ukrainian government is colluding with terrorists in the Sahel to destabilize those countries to spite Russia
Too many babies on this platform

I guess you are the new breed MOSSAD-FBI-FSB who investigated this and recorded all the evidence.

May you kindly present just one of the evidences you have gathered other than hearsay from propaganda sources?

fawaz050:
Based on this your logic, it's safe to say God came down, got mauled by his own creation, and died?

Why hasn't he come down again since then, given the evil present now is gargantuan compared to then?

Is anything impossible for God?

Is death to you a kind of Annihilation or change in existence?

Who says that Christ is NOT coming back again? Even Muslims attests to that!

AntiChristian:
That's false! A man can die. Can an Angel die when they become man?



The main difference between "become" and "appear" is that "become" means to start to be something, while "appear" means to come into view or seem to look a certain way.

You can become angry. That's means you transitioned from not being angry to being angry! But when you appear to be angry you may be truly angry or just faking it.

If Jibril came or appeared as a perfectly formed man: are you saying that he wasn't a perfectly formed man?

What happened to the kunfayakun of Allah if he cannot make Jubril indistinguishable from any man?

Ohyoudidnt:
So lame. So if a boy dresses up as a girl in a dress with wig and make up so he appears as a girl he has become a girl?

Quran 19:17
screening herself off from them. Then We sent to her Our angel, ˹Gabriel,˺ appearing before her as a man, perfectly formed.

Is Bobrisky a perfectly formed woman?


Allah says that Jibril came to Mary as a perfectly formed man: stop telling lies


Are you saying that Allah doesn't know what he is saying?
Are you saying that the kunfayakun of Allah cannot turn Jibril into a perfectly formed man?

AntiChristian:
Yes, he appeared as a perfect man!

Why is it that Muslims cant answer simple questions?

The Question was:
Did Jibril stop being an angel when he became a man?

AntiChristian:
Mary saw a perfect man and she was afraid the man may come close to her as she was in a secluded place!

Angels are usually physicals beings when on errands to humans!

Good,
Mary saw a perfect man.

But you did not answer the second question as I didnt ask you how angels usually appear when they run errands to humans.

The Question was:
Are angels Physical Beings?

motayoayinde:
This is what the most notorious terrorist groups in West Africa just confirmed:

🇷🇺🇺🇦🇲🇱⚡- "Terrorists in northern Mali have confirmed their cooperation with Ukraine, which is a cause for serious concern," - Mali's Ministry of Foreign Affairs.


🇷🇺🇺🇦🇲🇱⚡- Terrorists, with the support of Ukraine and other countries, would like to change the regime in Mali, Niger and Burkina Faso," - Abdoulaye Diop, Malian Foreign Minister.

They are the creation of Mossad and CIA.
That lecherous vermin and his US masters are behind Boko Haram in Nigeria.

And these terrorists are 100% true Muslims working for Allah and his Messanger!

What's the gain of Ukraine that is struggling to survive the attack of Russia?

AntiChristian:
We don't have heavenly beings in Islam! They are Angels. They can not become human! They can appear as human!
Jesus was born human by a human woman! Angels only appear as a human! They are not born!

Becoming a man is not the same as appearing as a man!

This is false! Prophet Muhammad saw Angel Gabriel in its true form by Allah's permission! And no human ever achieved this feat as far as i know!

You are the one who can't differentiate between "becoming a man" and "appearing as a man"!

If he appeared as a perfect man, did Mary see a perfect man or an angel?


Are angels physical beings?

Ohyoudidnt:
No you are misunderstanding my answer. That the angels were not in their heavenly nature doesn't equate to them becoming human.

Angel Jibril never became a man but took the appearance of a man towards enabling communication.

Are you trying to claim there are records of angel Jibril eating or doing manly activities or worse?

As a perfect man , did Jibril have every organ of the body of men?
Did Jibril breathe air as a perfect man?
If Jibril was a perfect man, did he experience every signal from his sense organs?

AbuTwins:
Which one be this?
Angels in Islam have their life which is to obey Allah!
And the verse is clear that the Angel appeared as a man!

The question was,
When Jibril became a man, did he stop being an angel?

It's a simple question!

AntiChristian:
He appeared as a man! So at that moment he was a man, a messenger of Allah as the verse said!

So, he stopped being an angel when he became a man?

I have discovered that to a very large extent, Islam cannot stand scrutiny. Hence I bring this Question to Muslims.

When Jubril came to Mary as a Man, did he stop being an Angel?


The Qur'an says:
Qur'an 19:18
Then We sent to her Our angel, ˹Gabriel,˺ appearing before her as a man, perfectly formed.

The Question again!


When Jubril came to Mary as a Man, did he stop being an Angel?



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It's been a long time. How are you?

MuMuOnBail:
Na wa ooo
....
The only war I can fight to protect my family members is an alien, Zombie and also A.I invasion [/b]

Why now!

You should hand over all to them for the interest of peace!
They would take much of your houses and lands and vehicles and children....BUT at least you would be alive to to eat and live in peace!

bestofnollywood:
“When you hate people so much, you push them into acceptance,” this was the prophecy released about the winner of the United States presidential election, Mr. Donald Trump, by the servant of God and general overseer of the Omega Fire Ministries (OFM), Apostle Johnson Suleman, at a Sunday service in his Auchi, Edo State State ministry headquarters on July 14, 2024.

The direct prophecy was delivered at the time a series of attacks considered politically motivated were launched on the person and politics of Mr Trump allegedly by the opposition camp.


In the sermon video that went viral in July, Apostle Suleman declared specifically that “America has just got the winner of the election.” Further, the ‘Restoration Apostle’ warns, “He (Trump) is not a perfect man because everybody has their challenges. But when they shot at him, I told somebody that by this action, the man was winning. I said people who were hitherto on the fence have already endorsed him.”

The servant of God warns people to stop wasting your emotions; never dislike someone they don’t know one-on-one. Nobody in this life can determine the outcome of your destiny.....


Source:

https://applesbite.com/apostle-suleman-prophesied-donald-trumps-victory-as-us-president-four-months-ago-video-proof/

He didn't predict anything.
Some of these prophets give both sides of a prophecy hoping that we prophecy watchers will forget. They will now pick the winning prophecy when the time comes to say "I said it!"

The earlier prophecy Suleman gave was that the next president of USA was a woman and she would be more dangerous than Biden. I heard it by myself no one told me o

Ohyoudidnt:
As the Israelites journeyed from Egypt where were they all coming from?

Of what use is your questioning when it is established that amongst the journeying Israelites someone referred to as As-samiri misled them into worshipping a molded calf.

As Samiri could be a personal name or nickname instead of an ethnic identity.

A character linked to specific mystical or esoteric practices (which could clarify his expertise in shaping the calf).

Or even a title rather than a name, suggesting a trait or role within the narrative.

I am aware of what you are trying to do 🤯

You said:
As Samiri could be a personal name or nickname instead of an ethnic identity.

This is a speculation and NOT a historical fact

The truth is that you have no evidence to reject that it is the Samaritan!

Allah should know better than this o!

Ohyoudidnt:
While the Israelites were in their exodus from Egypt they were they differentiated into cities of origin other than the tribes they descended from?


Relook at the translations you presented as I have

Allah responded, 'We have indeed tested your people in your absence, and the Samiri has led them astray.'
- Mustafa Khattab
He said: Lo! We have tried thy folk in thine absence, and As-Samiri hath misled them.
- Marmaduke Pickthall
(Allah) said: "We have tested thy people in thy absence: the Samiri has led them astray."
- Abdullah Yusuf Ali

It appears you give Picktall and Yusuf Ali your own translation even if Asad is in agreement with what you stated

I have asked you a historical question and not a hypothetical question.

Where is the City?
From which city in history does the As-Samari come from at the time of Moses?

Ohyoudidnt:
You are the one struggling to hold on to your lies when shown the truth.

While translators such as Sahih International, Pickthall, and Yusuf Ali have referred to "Samaritan" based on traditional interpretations, this identification is not conclusive. Both classical and modern scholars acknowledge that as-Samiri might be an individual unrelated to the later Samaritan sect.

Ibn Kathir and al-Tabari viewed as-Samiri as a distinct figure in the narrative of the golden calf incident, without making a direct connection to the later Samaritan sect.

They both identity him as a misguided individual

The truth is easily verified with questions.

From which city in history does the As-Samari come from at the time of Moses?