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MaxInDHouse:
Cry cry baby!

Did i quote you in any way before you get puffed up with pride?

It was MightySparrow who tagged me in a post along with different people as if i'm on the same page with them:



So i told him that i'm not one of his brothers:



That's what got on your nerves as if it's you i was talking to.

So keep that question JWs have our own God and you have yours there's no need crossing boundaries!

And I so much dealt with you that you became DUMB. Could you give any answer to my question?

No!

FYI: The Single question remains
Where Resides the "Jehovah" of the JW before he Created Anything?



Let me add this:
Does the Jehovah of the JW fill the heavens and the earth?



If your JEHOVAH does fill everywhere, go tell the men in Brooklyn that they have mislead you gullible JW followers as Jehovah is Omnipresent contrary to your doctrine.

Truthseeker10:
Explain 1 kings 8:27.

God as the Holy Spirit is too big to be contained by the world. This is because Everything in Existence is contained within God. Solomon was just saying that the Temple He built is not an expression of God's true majesty!

1Kin 8:27:
"But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain you; how much less this house that I have built?"

Since you hold a different understanding, Can you please explain
Exodus 25:8
"Then have them make a sanctuary for me, and I will dwell among them"

Exodus 29:46
"And they shall know that I am the Lord their God, who brought them up out of the land of Egypt, that I may dwell among them. I am the Lord their God".

2 Corinthians 6:16 Paul says,
“for you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: ‘I will dwell in them and walk among them. I will be their God, and they shall be My people"

Are these scriptures contradictions in JW doctrine?

Why is it that you won't answer any questions?

I have answered you well and beyond. And let me do it again

Truthseeker10:
Oga point out where you answered the questions below.
Does the devil have the holy spirit?

No! How can the devil have the Holy Spirit. Not even all humans have the Holy Spirit. There is even no record of the Bible saying that Angels have the Holy Spirit.
Meaning that your question is borne out of ignorance?

Truthseeker10:
If the devil is within God, does that mean that evil is present with God?

Is it true that Jehovah is in Sheol?
What is he doing there?
Or did he send the Angels to represent him in Sheol?

This answers your question, for it is exactly the same answer.

Truthseeker10:
Does 1 kings 8:27 say that God is present on earth?

Isn't true that In the doctrine of Trinity, God can be EVERYWHERE and SOMEWHERE (heaven or Earth) simultaneously.

1Kin 8:27:
"But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain you; how much less this house that I have built?"

Unfortunately for you, God came with Two Angels to visit Abraham on Earth. Is this Untrue?

Is it UNTRUE that Jacob wrestled with God here on earth?

Is it UNTRUE that God showed his back to Moses here on earth?

If any of these is TRUE, your understanding is abysmal!

Truthseeker10:
If either is true
If Heavens and earth reside inside God according to you, does God live in heaven?

According to the doctrine of Trinity, God is simultaneously EVERYWHERE as the Holy Spirit and in the Heavenly realm as the Father and anywhere as the Word.



So, again I ask you the simple question:
1. Does the Jehovah of the JW fill the heavens and the earth?
You have been taught wrongly, If Jehovah fills the heavens and the earth, is he not Omnipresent?

2. Where Resides the "Jehovah" of the JW before he Created Anything?

helinues:
You missed that actually

What do you mean!

helinues:
Stop talking

Since FG acted on Binance dollar manipulating in Nigeria, Naira has been gaining strength.

Is it only Nigeria Binance was banned or have issue with the government country?

Why should we be using crypto rate as dollar rate in Nigeria?

Annoyingly, those who have no idea about the extent of Binance manipulation would come on this thread to defend him. Annoyingly

Modified: It's important for Nigerians to have a clue about the basis of Binance trouble in Nigeria.

So Binance and some crooks in Nigeria, colluded together to be placing fake order on Binance which will required dollars settlement. The crooks would use the receipt of the placed order to exchange naira to dollar at a very discounted price as the amount is huge.

Eventually, the orders are not existing, the demanded dollars are meant to be laundered outside Nigeria most especially other African countries and sell at high price.

It got to the extent that there was too much demand on dollar which made the suspicion.

Now , how many years have Binance been manipulating naira-dollar rate in Nigeria? That some people said Binance left a year ago while the dollar is still around N1500. So you expect years of manipulating to be vanished within a year?

How come no improvement with exchange rate since then. It had only grown worse.

Meaning that Binance was just a scapegoat for incompetency

gohf:
The answer isn't built into any false unscriptural and not from God term like trinity, the answer falls more in line with what MightySparrow wrote.

Which I have shared some scriptures in light to that here
https://www.nairaland.com/8342531/answering-question-god-omnipresent

But considering what you have written here that because God is Spirit therefore God is everywhere? Have you not made an incorrect assumption that because God is Spirit, He is the Spirit He sent everywhere? Is God confused or trying to confuse us by revealing He sent His spirit whereas if what you believe to be true is true that God sent Himself, then He should have clearly revealed that not just to the prophets who wrote but most especial to Jesus who said, our Father who art in heaven and that he goes back to the Father and he physically ascended to his right side...


If you base your answer upon a lie, how can your answer be true?

You make statements like, "Thus, the whole of the Universe (Physical and Spiritual) is INSIDE the Spirit of God as God the Holy Spirit is INVISIBLE"

Whereas what is written in Genesis 1:2 is that the Spirit of God moved upon the waters.

The trinity lie has blinded many it seems. Can you not differentiate when scripture refers to God's person and to God's presence and even the presence of God isn't manifested everywhere even though his spirit and eye is there.

Acts 17:28 for it is in God that we have our life,... not outside of it, that's why in verse 29 God is not an idol made by men but He made us and is the reason we live and exist. Did you not read the verse 24 God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands...

Then your mistake of saying Jesus on earth whereas Jesus is not on earth but at the right side of God our Father. Then the mistake of you calling our Father and image of himself, whereas it is Christ Jesus who is the image of God. You speak about God raining fire from the heavens and not realize that he who was upon the earth speaking to Abram wasn't God but His representative. Or is the fire that spoke to Moses God as well? Even scripture called the fire the angel of God.

Realize therefore the difference between where God is, and where his eyes and spirits are

I don't know what you believe but obviously your comprehension of the scripture is not okay. Learning is best with ask and answering questions.
Note that here I didn't talk trinity at all

I will assume that you are JW until I know what you believe

I will handle this with you one at a time and I hope you would be truthful in responding to my questions
1. Do you agree with the fact that God is SPIRIT ?
John 4:24:
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."


2. Can God as a spirit be seen?
Col 1:15:
"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:"

1Tim 1:17:
"Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen."
3. Can the Father be seen by men or Angels?


4. Is God Omnipresent!
Jer 23:24
"Can any man hide in a concealed place where I cannot see him?” declares Jehovah. “Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?” declares Jehovah

Psalm 139:7-10
"Where shall I go from your Spirit? Or where can I flee from your presence? If I ascend to heaven, you are there; if I make my bed in Sheol, behold, you are there. If I take the wings of the dawn, if I dwell in the remotest part of the sea, even there your hand will lead me, and your right hand will lay hold of me"

5. Does Jehovah fill the heavens and the earth?

7. If Jehovah fills the heavens and the earth, is he not Omnipresent?



The questions are for short answers please!
From what we agree with and the ones we disagree with , we can chat a path to understanding

ichuka:
Bro, please let them be.
A sheep can't beget a goat, likewise the latter.
We can't plant corn and expect to harvest sweet potatoes in 3months time.
Gen1:11..Then God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit according to "THEIR KIND" with seed in them”; and it was so.

John10:27..My sheep listen to My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;
Christ is talking about sheep here, not goats,pigs or donkeys.
His sheep knows and hears His voice.
No dey worry Ur self too much.

Thank you my brother.

It was Maximus who overstepped his boundaries with me yesterday morning and since I had plenty time yesterday, I decided to show him some pepper.

Unfortunately, satan has blinded their eyes so they won't see

sonmvayina:
Continue deceiving yourself..
God the father is a spirit and also has a spirit called the holy Spirit....and they both impregnated another man's wife because suddenly, they realized they needed a son.
Makes sense, doesn't it?

God is the totality of the consciousness of the universe. God is the universal divine consciousness.. not a Jewish man up in the sky.

Have I done wrong?

Please, Introduce your own God to me and tell me his name?

I wasn't ashamed to tell you who my God is and I even told you His Holy name!

Truthseeker10:
My oga.
Does the devil have the holy spirit?

If the devil is within God, does that mean that evil is present with God?

Does 1 kings 8:27 say that God is present on earth?

If Heavens and earth reside inside God according to you, does God live in heaven?

I think I have answered this question before, please check my response to you
But then
Is it true that Jehovah is present in Sheol?
If this is true, what is he doing there?

Psalm 139:7-10:
"Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? If I ascend to heaven, You are there; if I make my bed in Sheol , behold, You are there. If I take the wings of the dawn, if I dwell in the remotest part of the sea, even there Your hand will lead me, and Your right hand will lay hold of me."
Is this scripture true or false? Please explain.





Jeremiah 23:24:
"Can a man hide himself in secret places so that I cannot see him? declares the Lord. Do I not fill heaven and earth? declares the Lord."

If satan goes to and fro the earth and Jehovah FILLS the Earth, tell me IS SATAN INSIDE or OUTSIDE JEHOVAH?
Job 1:7:
"And the LORD said to Satan, From where come you? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."




You have learnt the doctrine of JW wrongly from the old men at Brooklyn!


In case you are confused, here is the NWT for Jer23:24
Jer 23:24
"Can any man hide in a concealed place where I cannot see him?” declares Jehovah. “Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?” declares Jehovah

Does Jehovah fill the heavens and the earth?

You have been taught wrongly, If Jehovah fills the heavens and the earth, is he not Omnipresent?





See the error your gullibility allowed you to fall in because you are following men who do not even know Jesus! What else have you gotten wrong in your theology?

sonmvayina:
How do you know he exist if he is a spirit? ..you can't see him obviously....so how did you know his name?

You read it from a book right?

Please, Introduce your own God to me and tell me his name?

I wasn't ashamed to tell you who my God is and I even told you His Holy name!

Janosky:
If you really love yourself, do research with your Bible and find the answers.
Post your findings on this forum.

Or:

Oga, if you are not seeking attention and arguments, just seek out your fellow Trinity worshipping devotees and mingle with them, to exchange Intel from your ghost deity.

JW's no get your time.
Period!

The question I asked is simply this:
Where Resides the "Jehovah" of the JW before he Created Anything?


All of you JW have been deaf and dumb to this question directed at you



I have posted the Trinitarian response over and over again but you feign deaf and dumb . Let we give you again

TenQ:
The answer is extremely simple and built into the Trinity. What did Jesus teach?

God is SPIRIT (the infinite Spirit) who is EVERYWHERE.
John 4:24:
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

As the Holy Spirit, God is INVISIBLE either on the earth (Physical Realm) or the heavens (Spiritual realm). The Holy Spirit is like AIR (RUACH) whose Presence through His actions can only be felt. In other words, the Holy Spirit is the Omnipresent existence of God.

Thus, the whole of the Universe (Physical and Spiritual) is INSIDE the Spirit of God as God the Holy Spirit is INVISIBLE

Psalm 139:7-10:
"Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? If I ascend to heaven, You are there; if I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there. If I take the wings of the dawn, if I dwell in the remotest part of the sea, even there Your hand will lead me, and Your right hand will lay hold of me."
Jeremiah 23:24:
"Can a man hide himself in secret places so that I cannot see him? declares the Lord. Do I not fill heaven and earth? declares the Lord."


Acts 17:28a kills it by telling us that we LIVE inside God (as the Holy Spirit).
Act 17:28
"For in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, 'For we are also His offspring.'"

The Word (The Son , Jesus) on Earth is the VISIBLE image of the invisible God, the Messanger of God's presence.

Colossians 1:15:
"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation"

The Father is the VISIBLE image of the invisible God in the Heavens who sits on the throne in heaven to preside over it.


This is why in Genesis 19:24, Yahweh on earth could rain down fire from Yahweh in heaven.

Genesis 19:24
"Then Yahweh (on earth with Abraham) rained on Sodom and on Gomorrah sulfur and fire from Yahweh out of the heavens."


This is why in the Throne room of the FATHER in Heaven, you cannot SEE the Holy Spirit. You can only see the Father and the Word (the Lamb, the Son) because ALL EXISTENCE are inside Him


So the question of WHERE was God is misinformed because ALL existence physical and spiritual is INSIDE God.


The whole Universe physical and spiritual are all a tiny subset WITHIN God as the Holy Spirit.



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Now you cannot complain.


What is your own response?



The question I asked is simply this:
Where Resides the "Jehovah" of the JW before he Created Anything?

Janosky:

Trinity worshipping devotee pseudo christian confusing himself.

Yunewa chichom chin.

I laugh in Chinese.

Welcome Janosky,
Can you please answer the simple question!

Where Resides the "Jehovah" of the JW before he Created Anything?

sonmvayina:
I will still be waiting.

TenQ Please edit the topic

No!

His suggested new headline is a trap for the Christians o!

Where was God before he created heaven? JWs please Help us

The first part is okay
Where was God before he created heaven?
The second part is evil
JWs please Help us

Firstly
Editing my topic to his suggestion is a no no because This is an admission that Trinitarian Christians don't know the answers and requires Help from the Jehovah's witnesses.
This he would publicly repost a million times for humiliation purposes that Trinitarian Christians BEGGED JW for an answer because they don't have an answer.

Secondly,
whatever RUBBISH he posts as an answer would be deemed as TRUE because we seemingly asked for help.

Thirdly,
It was a calculated EVASIVE manoeuvre to escape answering the question. He would stick to it as long as it takes. If I fall for it, it is his gain and if I don't, he doesn't answer the question


So, Maximus will never answer the question as he has no good answer that wouldn't humiliate his God by his own response.



You will note that if they had some arguments, the JWs would have flooded this thread from Janosky to Maximus, all of them. For this question, they have no answer.

It is a failure of their theology that caused this problem!

MaxInDHouse:
TenQ
I suspect you don't know how to edit the topic of your thread so go back to your first post try to edit and before the post you will see the topic and from there you can edit the topic.

I'll be waiting!

The request of an agent of the flesh!

If you don't know the answer, keep quiet!
It's not by force to answer a question you don't have a clue!

sonmvayina:
OK, so i am asking you too

when was your God born? who created your GOD?

obviously he was not the one that existed from the beginning and created all things.

who is your GOD?
i want a description.

My God is a SPIRIT, the Uncaused First-Cause, Creator and sustainer of Everything that Exists physical or spiritual. In Him the whole universe physical or spiritual resides. He is the LIFE. He is the LIGHT. He is LOVE. He is Omnipresent, Omnipotent and Omniscient. His name is YHWH!

Introduce your own God to me and tell me his name?

MaxInDHouse:
Just do the needful and i will oblige even though i know you won't accept but for the benefit of interested followers of this thread i promise to answer!

A foolish excuse to avoid a serious question!

Why must I beg to hear what you teach as doctrine of your God?

Except of course you are ASHAMED of what you teach yourself.


I am convinced you are ashamed of your God!

MaxInDHouse:
Your stubbornness is nothing besides mine before i became one of Jehovah's Witnesses so it's either you do the needful or nothing for you!

I do not know what is difficult with this
1. Is Jehovah the God of the JWs?
2. Is Jehovah of the Jehovah's witnesses the creator of everything?
3. Is Jehovah of the Jehovah's witnesses self existing and everliving?

If the above is true according to the doctrine of the JW, what is wrong with my simple question

The question I asked is simply this:
Where Resides the "Jehovah" of the JW before he Created Anything?


Please let the JWs educate us!

MaxInDHouse:
Your stubbornness is nothing besides mine before i became one of Jehovah's Witnesses so it's either you do the needful or nothing for you!

Where Resides the "Jehovah" of the JW before he Created Anything?


Even when I asked you this question exactly as you wanted, you did NOT answer the Question!
SMH


Btw,
What is wrong with this question?

MaxInDHouse:
Yawa don gas!

Rebellion is what's affecting all of you.

God chose Jesus to teach mankind and Jesus chose a group of men to teach the rest that's the setting.

So if anyone disregards this setting there will always be confusion and insults will be the result when you people are SCATTERED spiritually speaking. Luke 11:23

That's what REBELLIOUSNESS does to people none of you can boldly say this is the name of my church because you are rebellious as you don't want submission to any group of men {Hebrews 13:7} yet Jesus have set the standard by choosing a group of men through whom he will direct the affairs of his earthly group! Luke 6:13

That's why the group name JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES often comes to your mind as you all can see a global family of peace loving worshipers all submissive to one group of anointed men! Act 2:42

I didn't ask you to describe yourself


The question I asked is simply this:
Where Resides the "Jehovah" of the JW before he Created Anything?



Please let the JWs educate us!

Thanks

sonmvayina:
i don't care whatever you want to call your GOD.
There is only one universe and he is the king ruling in both the heavens and the earth. he is referred to as the lugal dimmer Ankia, which means, the divine king of heaven and earth. different Cultures have different name for the creator.

my argument is what this God is?
how do you describe him?

there is only the universe, and both the physical realm and spiritual realm exist side by side. we are in the physical realm now, when we expire, we go back to the spiritual realm, waiting for another opportunity if we failed in this one. judgement takes place in the physical realm. everybody you see here on earth are here because they failed in their previous incarnation. they are here to repeat it.
we are spiritual beings having a human experience. not the other way around. get it?
God is the universal consciousnesses fully embodied and personified. he is not a Jewish man up in the sky. he is not a jew. he belongs to everybody. i really don't know why you are fixated on the Jewish idea, culture and tradition. the Yoruba have their own if you are one. the igbos too....why have this slave mentality?

That is why I say that our God is different!

MaxInDHouse:
Rebellious people!
One said Jesus is the Almighty God the other said Jesus is a nobody but when they realize a JW is present both of them wants JW to join their endless arguments!



See how confused both of them are:











If the both of you can't agree on the topic what is the assurance that a JW can solve your problem?

However TenQ you have not changed the topic so it's obvious you don't need the answer so keep whatever you know for now!

How can there be an agreement with sonmvayina?
He is not a Christian
He never called himself a Christian
His own God is the universe itself

How dumb can some people act just because they cannot answer a simple Question.

You don't surprise me one bit as Jesus encountered people like you religious people.
Matthew 21:23
Jesus asked them: where did the Baptism of John come from?

Matthew 22:41-46,
Jesus asked them: Why does David call the Messiah Lord?

Till tomorrow, just as they couldn't give an answer, so also you JWs. No answer!
Can you see that you are not different from the Pharisees and Sadducees!

sonmvayina:
you keep missing it
i have called your attention to it several times but you keep ignoring it.

you have the picture of a man when you think about GOD. that is where your problem is.
GOD is not a man or a human being. GOD is the universal divine conciseness.

the only way to communicate with God is only through an oracle.
The words of God always comes out from the mouth of men. If you are smart enough, it always with a parable.

so stop this obsession with "the word of GOD" as if it is something.

there was never any Jesus. there was never any need for him. he was created by the roman catholic church to deceive. don't fall for it.

I did not miss ANYTHING, our God are different isn't it.

Can any man be somewhere and everywhere at the same time?

I don't know the name of your own God, but my Gods name is YHWH! He is the Infinite Spirit who at the same time can make Himself visible in both the spirit realm and the physical realm without ceasing to be infinitely Everywhere.

Talk about your own God!
Is that difficult?

InfoGuru118:
https://news360ng.com/breaking-binance-executive-reveals-names-of-nigerian-lawmakers-who-allegedly-demanded-150m-bribe-to-free-him/

We know that already. It was an excuse to squeeze out the golden egg from binance

sonmvayina:
Maximus,
Where Resides the "Jehovah" of the JW before he Created Anything?

i am waiting for the answer to this question too

MaxInDHouse,
At least this is not tenQ asking the question now o!
Can you please answer him?

MaxInDHouse:
Where was God before he created heaven? JWs please Help us

That's what a sincere commentator told you to do on that thread:



Otherwise go and solve your problem yourself!

Okay! I will go with exactly what you wish!
Remember that I even begged you to answer my question but till now, you have been avoiding it.


Where was God before he created heaven? JWs please Help us
PLEASE
LOL!

Will you now answer the question as we have done three pages with not one iota of sensible answer.

sonmvayina:
Everywhere....in me, in you....everywhere.
I gave an analogy earlier.
I asked what was there at the beginning before the start of creation, somebody said "God" ..I said yes. Only God existed. So what ever he created, was created within him. So it is safe to say that God is the universe itself. And the universe is mental

Yes, God as the Infinite Spirit is EVERYWHERE and Everything He created is Within Him


However, this Infinite God hae TWO realms of existence created within Himself.
1. The Physical Realm
2. The Spirit Realm

Even though God is EVERYWHERE, He makes Himself visible both in the Spirit Realm as well he Father and the Physical realm as the Word.

So, on one point we agree but on the other part we disagree

sonmvayina:
I have solved that problem for you. Trinity is an insult against the creator of heaven and earth. God is the creator, he is not part of creation. Does not make sense. Whatever he created was created inside of him. We are part of God and God is part of us. Whatever Christians claim for Jesus is applicable to every human being. If he can do magic. There are people who can too....BUT worshiping a man as God is nothing short of idolatry. That was the main reason he was punishing the Jews.

Let's say trinity is demeaning for the sake of Argument
Tell me,
Where does your own God reside?

MaxInDHouse:
If you don't edit the topic i think there's no need wasting my precious time with you!

Can you edit the topic according to your taste so that I can make changes?



Your problem is that no one taught you this in the kingdom hall. The answer is not in any of your literatures..too bad.


Can you see your shame?

MaxInDHouse:
According to God's word it's this angels that makes reports to Jehovah regarding all the evil that's done on planet earth that's why the angel representing Jehovah said he wants to go and verify if the report are exactly as those angels said {Genesis 18:20-21} JEHOVAH choose not to see everything because He can't stand the sight of evil! Habakkuk 1:13

So humble yourself and learn!

Showing that the Allah of the Muslims and the Jehovah of the JW is one and the same.

Limited in power and whose oneness is not different from that of Iblis.


You would have helped your situation if only you answered the question.

According to the JW doctrine, we know that their Jehovah is not Omnipresent, this means that he must be somewhere.

This is why scriptures like Jeremiah 23:24 never makes sense to you
Jeremiah 23:24:
"Can a man hide himself in secret places so that I cannot see him? declares the Lord. Do I not fill heaven and earth? declares the Lord."

Maximus,
Where Resides the "Jehovah" of the JW before he Created Anything?

MaxInDHouse:
Now Jehovah was going ahead of them by day in a pillar of cloud to lead them along the way, and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, so that they could travel by day and by night. Exodus 13:21

Then the angel of the true God who was going ahead of the camp of Israel departed and went to their rear, and the pillar of cloud that was in front of them moved to the rear and stood behind them. Exodus 14:19

Is it Jehovah that came down to lead the Israelites or an angel representing Him?

Why don't you first Please quote your NWT and explain Genesis 19:24.

Who came down to visit Abraham in Genesis 18: ?

Gen 18:22:
"And the men turned their faces from there, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD."

And an uneducated bum thinks God who came to Abraham cannot lead the Children of Israel!?

Exodus 23:21
"Pay careful attention to him and obey his voice; do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgression, for my name is in him"


Even in Exodus 14:19, the Angel of Yahweh appeared as the Pillar of Cloud and the Pillar of Fire.

Just as Yahweh can appear as a Man, He also appears as the personage called "the Angel of Yahweh"!

BTW: Who did Jacob wrestle with in your NWT?

So angels of God have the power to forgive or retain sin?

MaxInDHouse:
The Psalmist is talking as God's servant who is under watch before the angels of God each time not just everyone.

This is what the scripture teaches:

"For the eyes of Jehovah are roving about through all the earth to show his strength in behalf of those whose heart is complete toward him. You have acted foolishly in this matter; from now on there will be wars against you.” 2 Chronicles 16:9

Jehovah has designed some angels with eyes all over their bodies to be watching throughout the earth {Ezekiel 10:12} it's these creatures that's reporting to Him Satan confirmed that this angels are the reasons why he (Satan) couldn't do anything to hurt Job {Job 1:10} Satan is asserting that these angels are standing around Job like body guards so he (Satan) feels intimidated with their presence but if God should command them to move away so that he can hurt Job the man will stop serving God.

So the Psalmist is talking about servants of God who are under the watch of His angels 24/7 not just everyone!

Tell me,
Did the verse say
For the eyes of Jehovah ...
OR
For the eyes of the Angels of Jehovah ..

Don't ever twist the bible to say what it doesn't say.

The scripture is just saying metaphorically that NOTHING is hidden from God's sight because He is Omnipresent.

This in sync with

Psalm 139:7-10:
"Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? If I ascend to heaven, You are there; if I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there. If I take the wings of the dawn, if I dwell in the remotest part of the sea, even there Your hand will lead me, and Your right hand will lay hold of me."

You would soon give your JW interpretation as
"Where can I go from your Angels presence .."

.

MaxInDHouse:
Well the rain was angels work under the direction of God that's why Satan could do the same to destroy Job's belongings! Job 1:16

Perhaps you think God Himself rained fire to destroy Job's belongings.

Please quote your NWT and explain

Genesis 19:24
"Then Yahweh (on earth with Abraham) rained on Sodom and on Gomorrah sulfur and fire from Yahweh out of the heavens."

1. Who rained down fire on Sodom and Gomorrah?
2. From whom was the fire send down from the heavens?